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Well, for one, I don't think David Margolick's review belongs here, he's a well-read author/editor, but he's not qualified to pass judgment on the topic. His ruminations that Gross is off the mark and that "positing instead that perhaps "through their own state-of-the-art anti-Semitism, the Germans emboldened many Poles to act upon what they had always felt" are wholly inappropriate. He has no credentials to make such accusations, nor would I expect his review provided a scholarly basis for his alternate view of Poles. — PētersV ( talk) 05:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I thought we had achieved a level of stability here. What happened? — Malik Shabazz ( talk · contribs) 03:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Why Grabski's review isn't mentioned in the article? Xx236 ( talk) 08:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Jacurek please stop your silly reverts. The text is a direct quote - you cannot change the words that are directly quoted. This is dishonest reporting. Please STOP. Bobanni ( talk) 09:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Apologes-- Jacurek ( talk) 13:42, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
The article http://tygodnik2003-2007.onet.pl/1547,1462029,0,559916,dzial.html desserves to be quoted. Machcewicz is somewhere between JT Gross and his radical critics. Machcewicz is competent, the majority of foreigners aren't. Xx236 ( talk) 09:01, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
In her Publisher's Weekly review, Lipstadt concluded:
In her blog post two years later, she added:
That doesn't mean she retracts her earlier statement that "Gross builds a meticulous case." Or that "Even Polish historians have either ignored or tried to justify this anti-Semitism."
In any event, I removed the second part of the sentence in the Wikipedia article, as there's no reason to include her opinion about Polish historians. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 22:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Mister Gross forgot about mentioning the two main reasons of the postwar antisemitism in Poland. The first of the main reasons of the Polish antisemitism were the postwar Jewish relations with the communists whom the Poles seen as the second occupants next to the nazis, while the Jews seen them as saviors and collaborated with them very tightly (a mass-murderer and persecutor of Poles, Jozef Rozanski, is a perfect example here). The second reason is the Arab-Israeli war, where Polish people harshly condemned Israel, claiming that Jews didn't learn nothing from what the Germans did to them, and they do the exact same thing to the Palestinian nation. Poles were disgusted by this, therefore many Poles started to see the Jews as imperialists, backstabbers and hipocrites. That's basically the root of antisemitism in Poland, that you will never hear on a history lesson. Antisemitism didn't exist in Poland until the 20th century. Jews in Poland had basically more privileges than ethnic Poles (you can read about it in many histroical sources), that's why Jewish people called Poland "the new promised land" and "the Jewish haven". Polish antisemitism started with the Soviet occupation and identifying the Jews with the communist occupants (so called Zydokomuna - you can also read about it). That's the heart of the matter. 87.205.250.55 ( talk) 15:49, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
I know. But please note, that in Poland there was a huge controversy about Gross's statements and many historians gave very reasonable arguments. What's more, the German and Israeli pressure to ban the exhumations of Jedwabne victims is very intriguing. 192.162.150.105 ( talk) 10:10, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
famous polish female writer and catholic activist an well known Polish anti-jewish activist Zofia Kossak-Szczucka facing Geram atrocities against the Polish Jewry proclaimed - Jews are no friends to us whatsoever but our Christian duty is to help them to save them at any possible cost, and with that proclamation she was a founding member of ŻEGOTA an underground organisation for helping Jews. Every member of that organisation facet instant execution by Germans if bought. Why Gross omits such a prominent antisemite dedication to saving Jews? Is it unpalatable as it is real historical fact? shemyaza [against all]— Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.233.166.169 ( talk • contribs)
this is a very tightly policed subject, the censorship is almost instantaneous. how on earth quoting a person and organisation mentioned, not very favourably in the book is off topic? how on earth asking question, that this book is posing, and trying to answer it, is off topic? why a book written by a sociologist without working historical skills (this fact was proven beyond any doubts by prof M. Chodakiewicz) is a sacred cow here. This book is full of bias and purposeful deception, it has a thesis and over the dead bodies it will be defended as a conclusion. thatt mean that it is not a book it is a gospel and that should be indicated at least here. It is an encyclopaedic entry and talk about this entry so in the section talk we should be allowed to "talk" not "to prise". shemyaza [against all] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.233.166.169 ( talk) 13:03, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
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Here comes one Israeli: https://networks.h-net.org/node/3180/reviews/6294/sznaider-gross-fear-anti-semitism-poland-after-auschwitz-essay
Is an error made by the ageing priest notable? This page is about the book. Xx236 ( talk) 13:14, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
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Well, for one, I don't think David Margolick's review belongs here, he's a well-read author/editor, but he's not qualified to pass judgment on the topic. His ruminations that Gross is off the mark and that "positing instead that perhaps "through their own state-of-the-art anti-Semitism, the Germans emboldened many Poles to act upon what they had always felt" are wholly inappropriate. He has no credentials to make such accusations, nor would I expect his review provided a scholarly basis for his alternate view of Poles. — PētersV ( talk) 05:39, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I thought we had achieved a level of stability here. What happened? — Malik Shabazz ( talk · contribs) 03:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
Why Grabski's review isn't mentioned in the article? Xx236 ( talk) 08:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Jacurek please stop your silly reverts. The text is a direct quote - you cannot change the words that are directly quoted. This is dishonest reporting. Please STOP. Bobanni ( talk) 09:36, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Apologes-- Jacurek ( talk) 13:42, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
The article http://tygodnik2003-2007.onet.pl/1547,1462029,0,559916,dzial.html desserves to be quoted. Machcewicz is somewhere between JT Gross and his radical critics. Machcewicz is competent, the majority of foreigners aren't. Xx236 ( talk) 09:01, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
In her Publisher's Weekly review, Lipstadt concluded:
In her blog post two years later, she added:
That doesn't mean she retracts her earlier statement that "Gross builds a meticulous case." Or that "Even Polish historians have either ignored or tried to justify this anti-Semitism."
In any event, I removed the second part of the sentence in the Wikipedia article, as there's no reason to include her opinion about Polish historians. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 22:01, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
Mister Gross forgot about mentioning the two main reasons of the postwar antisemitism in Poland. The first of the main reasons of the Polish antisemitism were the postwar Jewish relations with the communists whom the Poles seen as the second occupants next to the nazis, while the Jews seen them as saviors and collaborated with them very tightly (a mass-murderer and persecutor of Poles, Jozef Rozanski, is a perfect example here). The second reason is the Arab-Israeli war, where Polish people harshly condemned Israel, claiming that Jews didn't learn nothing from what the Germans did to them, and they do the exact same thing to the Palestinian nation. Poles were disgusted by this, therefore many Poles started to see the Jews as imperialists, backstabbers and hipocrites. That's basically the root of antisemitism in Poland, that you will never hear on a history lesson. Antisemitism didn't exist in Poland until the 20th century. Jews in Poland had basically more privileges than ethnic Poles (you can read about it in many histroical sources), that's why Jewish people called Poland "the new promised land" and "the Jewish haven". Polish antisemitism started with the Soviet occupation and identifying the Jews with the communist occupants (so called Zydokomuna - you can also read about it). That's the heart of the matter. 87.205.250.55 ( talk) 15:49, 17 June 2015 (UTC)
I know. But please note, that in Poland there was a huge controversy about Gross's statements and many historians gave very reasonable arguments. What's more, the German and Israeli pressure to ban the exhumations of Jedwabne victims is very intriguing. 192.162.150.105 ( talk) 10:10, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
famous polish female writer and catholic activist an well known Polish anti-jewish activist Zofia Kossak-Szczucka facing Geram atrocities against the Polish Jewry proclaimed - Jews are no friends to us whatsoever but our Christian duty is to help them to save them at any possible cost, and with that proclamation she was a founding member of ŻEGOTA an underground organisation for helping Jews. Every member of that organisation facet instant execution by Germans if bought. Why Gross omits such a prominent antisemite dedication to saving Jews? Is it unpalatable as it is real historical fact? shemyaza [against all]— Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.233.166.169 ( talk • contribs)
this is a very tightly policed subject, the censorship is almost instantaneous. how on earth quoting a person and organisation mentioned, not very favourably in the book is off topic? how on earth asking question, that this book is posing, and trying to answer it, is off topic? why a book written by a sociologist without working historical skills (this fact was proven beyond any doubts by prof M. Chodakiewicz) is a sacred cow here. This book is full of bias and purposeful deception, it has a thesis and over the dead bodies it will be defended as a conclusion. thatt mean that it is not a book it is a gospel and that should be indicated at least here. It is an encyclopaedic entry and talk about this entry so in the section talk we should be allowed to "talk" not "to prise". shemyaza [against all] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.233.166.169 ( talk) 13:03, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
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Here comes one Israeli: https://networks.h-net.org/node/3180/reviews/6294/sznaider-gross-fear-anti-semitism-poland-after-auschwitz-essay
Is an error made by the ageing priest notable? This page is about the book. Xx236 ( talk) 13:14, 17 September 2019 (UTC)