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Should we just change the article name to Daniel Desmond Amofah? This article already showcases more of his life other than his disappearance as shown in the career part and Etika is already a notable, well-known enough figure online to have his own article rather than just based on one incident. Uelly ( talk) 09:44, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Uelly
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His full name, Daniel Desmond Amofah, would portray him as more of a real person rather than someone who doesn’t need to be called their real name DreaganX ( talk) 06:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Etika has been found dead, per here. Trazire ( talk) 16:47, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
His first name is Daniel but he goes by Desmond Michael14375 ( talk) 18:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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This page is now named Etika (streamer) but it should not be. There is no need to disambiguate. If we are going to use the name Etika that should be the name of the article. Etika is now a redirect to this article which makes no sense. But there have been two or three moves of the page in the last few hours. There should not be any more until consensus is reached. What should the article name be? -- MelanieN ( talk) 19:34, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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It'd be more respectful to have a photo posted by Etika from his Instagram, rather than using a screencap from his "goodbye" video. An image such as https://www.instagram.com/p/BrqPHIRhta8/ would be preferable. (Direct Link: https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/fc5d7bb507704f6ce6901cb515703f10/5DB769D0/t51.2885-15/e35/46714583_373416163426326_4629470249639477248_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com)
Thank you, and rest in peace Desmond. 2605:A000:1618:C368:D49F:4C21:6DD1:D58E ( talk) 20:50, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
The goodbye video picture isn’t fitting. I want a pic from his Instagram to show the joy in him LogicIsTheBestWhiteRapper ( talk) 21:32, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
The news article is "YouTube Star Etika Is Found Dead in NYC, Leaving Thousands of Fans in Mourning" from Dara Sharif of The Root (magazine). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9000:A507:FCB6:A19A:2362:5C45:2B3F ( talk) 01:54, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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On this page if states cause of death was murder but no evidence has shown what the cause of death was as it could he suicide or murder 75.163.172.126 ( talk) 03:58, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
So the E Online announcing the cause of death states he died on June 24. Reading the full article, it seems as if they're using that date as it's the date police were notified of the body in the river, so do we change it to June 24 as shown in the source, or leave it as circa the 19th? Magitroopa ( talk) 15:47, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't the citation (no plural) be of the change.org petition itself? Citing three sources that talk about the petition instead of the petition itself is just deadweight loss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.126.187 ( talk) 20:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Unverified? Change.org can't verify itself? You need three different news articles to verify it? How exactly do these articles verify it? Perhaps by citing the petition? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.126.187 ( talk) 17:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Despite what the media says, his full name seems to be Desmond Daniel Amofah, according to himself, his ex-girlfriend, and his friend. 90.252.85.46 ( talk) 23:23, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
"Amofah's death highlighted social media platforms' handling of posts by users who appear at risk with mental illness or who are contemplating suicide. In 2017, Facebook increased its efforts to screen and alert possible suicide threats after several people in 2017 live-streamed suicides on Facebook Live. Facebook now utilizes both algorithms and user reports to flag such threats."
However, I failed to find that he was live-streamed on Facebook Live and I think it is more suitable in broader topic such as "Social Media and Mental Health" rather than a person's topic. Should we delete it and only mentioning Facebook's attempt to reduce suicide? Mariogoods ( talk) 22:35, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Etika went missing on June 19, which is the date currently listed in the article, but his ex-girlfriend Christine tweeted that she learned he actually died on the 22nd: https://twitter.com/TheAlicePika/status/1145388228272427017 Though this obviously isn't an official police report, she was one of the closest people to him and it sounds like she may have learned this from an official source. Should the date be changed to the 22nd instead of the 19th? CeilingMessenger ( talk) 03:42, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Haven't at this point in time the police and forensics figured out the exact day Etika was declared dead? Or has technology haven't gotten far enough where you can exactly pinpoint a drowning victim's time of death. Uuruuseiyo ( talk) 05:08, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Counting all three of his past channels, he has accumulated exactly 145,385,079 video views (and counting) as of July 9th, 2019. 143,741,591 views on "ewnetwork," 839,717 views on "Tr1Iceman," and 803,771 views on "EtikaFRFX." PantheonRadiance ( talk) 01:44, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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The memorial that the fans put up for Etika has been taken down. 104.10.133.48 ( talk) 19:40, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) -- 47.148.66.221 ( talk) 22:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC) ITs important for people to know about etika and how depression kills everyone
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) -- AceAlen ( talk) 22:48, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Should be left alone. Many people have tried to delete this article for ridiculous reasons and should just be left alone.
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) -- 100.40.122.112 ( talk) 22:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia,
After reviewing this article on the now deceased Desmond Daniel Amofah A.K.A. Etika, I have come to the conclusion that it does not in fact "only serve to promote him", as what is claimed. The article provides transparent information as to where Etika projected his work by providing links to channels owned by him. In addition to that, this article details his life, his career, the mental health issues he faced, as well as details on his death and disappearance. I believe it's an excellent article for Etika and should not be deleted.
Thank you.
Regards,
Anonymous
Should we add information on the suspension of his Twitter and when it got hacked? Michael14375 ( talk) 08:40, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
since it was restored and back up I don't feel like it needs to be mentioned — Preceding unsigned comment added by HappyBoi3892 ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
should etikas years active be 2008-2019 since his "rapping career" started in 2008? or should it just be kept his 2011-2015 (modeling) 2012-2019 (youtuber)
I'm removing the suicide note video. It serves no encyclopedic purpose and is arguably sensationalist and voyeouristic. If we want to show a typical example of his work, we can easily find another (more typical) example; it appears they're all CC BY licensed. Huon ( talk) 20:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
I disagree. It is relevant for his biography. He explains why he did what he did. And he says in the video "I hope that my story maybe helps to make YouTube a better place somehow in the future, to let people know boundaries and limits, how far things should go" and "Let my story be one that advises caution on too much of the social media sh** man. It could f*** you up. It can give you an image of what you want your life to be and it can get blown completely out of proportion dawg. And unfortunately, it consumed me. And it made me forget about consequences to my actions."
I think his words are very mature. And he wanted to share these words, so why would the video be voyeuristic? But I agree with you that in addition to this video, it would be good to also add a more typical video. But how can a video from YouTube be inserted? Volstra ( talk) 18:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Well the video is back so. VinnieBat1 ( talk) 04:53, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
@ Volstra, VinnieBat1, and Huon:There's the moral component. It's one thing to show video evidence of MLK's "I have a dream speech". It's another thing to show footage of rape or involuntary castration/genital mutilation. He's absolutely correct in the fact the internet consumes people and puts too much stuff on display. So unless we can have a private backlog of videos for the sake of "Knowledge" I also support the video's removal. 2604:2000:1107:A0DA:7594:FACD:FA9:34BF ( talk) 22:14, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Since it's not currently in the article I don't have to remove it, but I still stand by the reasoning I provided above and would ask those who want to add the video to explain how it improves the article. Merely it being freely licensed doesn't mean we have to put it in, and as far as I can tell, it's not an example of the kind of video Etika is notable for. Huon ( talk) 23:23, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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I have requested for indefinite extended confirmed protection due to childish vandalism coming from multiple IP's. That way users that have a 30-day-old account with over 500 edits can only make edits. This will prevent persistent vandalism. VARNAMi ( talk) 09:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Etika was born in May 12, 1990 and Sonic Battle was first released in Japan on December 4, 2003 and January 5, 2004 in North America according to the game's Wikipedia article. Etika states in a tweet that he came up with the Etika moniker at the age of 12 after a cheat code with the letter combination of "EkiTa" from the game Sonic Battle, but Etika was only 12 in 2002 and Sonic Battle was released at the end of 2003 and beginning of 2004 which would make Etika around 13 at the very earliest known age if he happened to obtain and playthrough Sonic Battle immediately after its release date. Uuruuseiyo ( talk) 14:24, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
Just to let you know, the past few days I've been reworking this article by cleaning up citations, removing less reliable sources and replacing them with new reliable ones. I did so because I'm planning on getting this article to Good Article, and eventually Featured Article status. My plan is to get it to GA Status by mid-April so I can have a DYK fact from this article appear on May 12, 2023 - Etika's birthday. Depending on how much time I have after that, I would also consider making this a Featured Article in the near future. If any editors wish to help me bring Etika's article to GA status, please let me know. Thanks, PantheonRadiance ( talk) 05:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
HappyBoi3892 I'm thinking of removing that paragraph on the deep web and Gordon Ramsay. Besides the NY Times article which explained that Etika was a fan of him, I couldn't find any sources that discuss that Ramsay followed him on Twitter outside of an actual tweet, which potentially violates WP:SPS. I also couldn't find sources for the deep web stream either outside of other SPSs. Unless you come across any reliable sources discussing this, I'll omit it for the time being. Also, thank you for your edits. PantheonRadiance ( talk) 20:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
I don’t want to be rude, but i think it’s very disrespectful to have his last video posted in the page. I think it should be removed. It does nothing than being more trauma to this story. Just transcribe it in text. 2600:1003:B124:F415:94DB:849C:7769:B960 ( talk) 17:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
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I've been mulling for a couple days now about picking this one off the GAN list. My first comments will probably be in a few days. There's obviously some tricky subject matter here, and I respect the effort that's been made around it (especially in such a high-profile article and for a newer editor), though there are very much areas I think need work. I also notice from XTools and Who Wrote That? that the article has more authors than is common for quality-assessed articles/is less 'cohesive', which is a bit visible in the text. That's not a bad thing -- collaboration is the spirit of the project -- but it does result in some non-ideal ways of presenting facts, writing prose, etc that will come up. Vaticidal prophet 17:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Beginning comments:
He was a son of Ghanaian politician Owuraku Amofahis an awkward phrasing. "The son of of Ghanaian politician Owuraku Amofah, he lived in Brooklyn, New York, for most of his life" is more natural -- while he had many siblings, this is still generally understood as a phrasing that allows for siblings.
Following a suspension from Twitter, Amofah uploaded pornography to the EWNetwork channel in October 2018, resulting in its termination; he then posted statements on social media alluding to suicideleaving the implication that this termination directly encouraged his suicide.
would also be terminatedshould just be "was terminated" -- "would be" is sometimes indicated as a phrasing, but a lot of the time, such as here, it sounds stilted.
On June 20, 2019, Amofah was reported missing after an apologetic video was uploaded to his TR1Iceman channel, in which he admitted to having mental health issues-- is 'in which he admitted to having mental health issues' a necessary addition to this sentence? I'd be very careful in general with phrasing like this (I see it repeats in the "Disappearance and death" section) -- it's easily understood as specifically referring to e.g. psychiatric diagnosis, which we should not give the impression of if it's not actually said. In the lead specifically, I think "was reported missing after an apologetic video" gets the idea across more than well enough.
many observers have commented that the signs of Amofah's mental deterioration were either downplayed or ignored prior to his suicideThis is followed by three citations...in the lead. If you need to have something not only cited but cited that heavily in the lead, it's questionable whether you should in fact have it. The "indifference" phrase before this gets the idea across more than well enough.
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Amofah started modeling in his early twenties and continued until 2015.Any clarity on why he stopped?
Initially centered around gaming news, Amofah's video output consisted of Let's Play videos of Nintendo games alongside reaction videos of gaming announcements, mainly of Nintendo Direct presentations. Many of his reactions to such presentations usually involved him screaming and falling out of his chair in elated shock and tossing objects around his room.While this is trying admirably for a show-don't-tell phrasing of 'exaggeratedly upbeat reaction videos', it sounds a bit...jarring.
Amofah's video output, initially centered around gaming news, evolved over time to a focus on Let's Play videos of Nintendo games alongside reaction videos of gaming announcements. His reaction videos, mainly of Nintendo Direct presentations, were noted for their characteristic exaggerated and energetic style; they featured elements such falling out of his chair in elated shock and tossing objects around his room.
Amofah's channel garnered popularity in 2014 due toshould in this context have a comma before 'due to'.
Amofah's channel continued to grow in popularity as he made more videos centered around his reactions to gaming news and YouTube drama, and according to him, he was earning over $300,000 a year through stream donations.Given that this is multiple clauses that could be multiple sections, 'and according to' might read better as '; according to'. Having said that, perhaps more importantly: any specific dates for when he said this?
Despite focusing on Nintendo-related content, Amofah also made playthroughs of various video games"Also" is usually superfluous, and "despite" a bit presumptory, with weird "did he have a non-compete clause or what?" implications to a reader not super-familiar with fandom YTers.
Though he primarily focused on Nintendo-related content, Amofah made playthroughs of video games from multiple publishers, such as[examples].
More to come. Vaticidal prophet 12:13, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Just looking back over this part before continuing.
Despite his earnings, Amofah had revealed in a June 2017 video that he had dealt with multiple "chargebacks", or "fake donations" of large amounts of money sent to his PayPal account via stream donations, which would jostle Amofah with hundreds of dollars in processing feessentence -- is 'jostle' really the best word here, and is 'via stream donations' a necessary addition given it's known to be his primary income source?
I'm leaving just that comment for now -- it's a fairly big one in terms of the section's structure, so it'd be more worthwhile seeing if anything noticeably changes before commenting further. Vaticidal prophet 17:33, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Continuing this section. The proseline copyedits have really improved flow and readability -- good job on that :)
(that were promptly deleted)parenthesis is of unclear relevance -- it's best not to have parentheses in articles too much anyway. Is the implication meant to be that he deleted them himself, implying regret or similar, or that they were deleted by Twitter's moderation team? The latter is probably too trivial to include. The former might be worth clarifying. If the sources don't specify, we should probably remove.
alarmingly erraticmay be editorializing. (We say the exact words 'erratic behavior' a lot in this section, which is probably worth looking over, but also understandable as a least-bad phrasing giving the issues with calling people 'mentally ill' in wikivoice. I'll expand on that in the next section, given it comes up again.)
Following the interview, Amofah was detained again that week for assaulting a police officer.This paragraph as a whole is very strong, but 'that week' is a bit superfluous/drags a little. It's clear from the rest that the second detainment happened shortly after.
symptomatic of genuine mental ailmentis sort of awkward (especially given the aforementioned 'tricky to call people mentally ill in wikivoice'), but...understandable. "Symptomatic" is probably the word to strike there, given it again implies specific things we really don't want to imply (e.g. having any particular diagnosis of a specific mental illness with known symptoms).
During the majority of Amofah's livestreams in 2019, a large cohort of viewers would frequently spam clown emojis as a way to mock his behavior.This is overwritten.
During Amofah's livestreams in this period, many viewers mocked his behavior by spamming clown emojis.
I'll come back to the mental illness point, which again, the next section deals with a lot. Etika described himself as 'probably mentally ill', and acted in ways that people informally ascribed labels to, but saying much more than that becomes tricky real fast. Wikipedia is, for better or worse, authoritative; saying 'in wikivoice' that Etika 'had mental health issues', 'was mentally ill', etc. strongly gives specific impressions. In particular, the most problematic impression is that he was diagnosed with a specific psychiatric label, or needed specific treatments. The article never says as much and I'm certainly not accusing you of that, but this is something many readers come away with when they read those, and it's very difficult to write these articles in a way that doesn't give such impressions.
I recently wrote Marie Sophie Hingst, which is a GA with some similar qualities (internet-culture person who committed suicide around the same time and age, with lots of speculation about her mental health) that I'm preparing for FAC in the near future. The contexts are very different, but you can see from that article the caution I've used around terminology. Outside the lead -- which I'm still trying to find the right phrasing for -- I've been very careful about not saying things that imply Hingst was mentally ill, or could be diagnosed with a specific label. (German Wikipedia and Wikidata have been less cautious, but that's their problem.) Even the lead just says 'her mental health', without going into further detail. It might be useful to go through and see the ways I've tried to handle that problem myself. Part of why I picked up this review was the firsthand experience writing around similar subjects of "people coded as 'mentally ill' by most sources and their actions, but never actually openly diagnosed with anything or otherwise able to be called such in wikivoice". It's hard, and you've done a pretty fantastic job of it for a first major article contribution, but it still needs some work in the next section especially. Vaticidal prophet 15:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
stated that he was dead at the point of recovery-- 'discovery' is less awkward here than 'recovery'.
sent information to Amofah's account which related to national suicide hotlinesDid they do this before (when he was visibly behaving oddly) or...after he uploaded the suicide note?
The aforementioned mental health researchers stressed the need to inform more people on social media about the signs of mental illness, depression, and suicidal thoughts so that they can better recognize when people in a mindset similar to Amofah's are in danger and need supportis probably the part of the article that crosses most problematically into "strong impression of a specific diagnosis". I'm not really comfortable with the way it alludes to a specific authority quoting specific symptoms and making specific comparisons. In general, I think you could more naturally combine the paragraph including this and the one that follows it, and omit the parts (like this) that make the most specific statements about information we don't actually have. Things like the quote from his friend, and the quote from Patricia Hernandez (that link might be warranted here), get the idea across more than well enough.
That should be...much of it? I'll do another pass-through for things I missed. Vaticidal prophet 08:30, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Hey @ PantheonRadiance. You've done an incredible job so far. I noticed in your recent edit that you changed the date of when Etika's belongings were found from June 19 to June 22. I've seen some conflicting articles that state his belongings were found on the same night of his disappearance (e.g., The Daily Dot states the 19th), while others say the 22nd. I remember when this was all going down that the NYPD revealed on the 22nd that they found his belongings, but it's still unclear if they had already found them on the night of his disappearance and waited to inform the public, or if they genuinely found his stuff three days later. HappyBoi3892 ( talk) 19:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
This is now one of very few articles on all Wikipedia about a Youtuber to reach GA status (and I'd make that list even shorter if I reclassified it as "person is actually best-known as a Youtuber and article is actually GA-quality"). It has the potential to be the first at all to reach FA. This is uncharted territory, which means there's a lot we just don't know about what the best sources for a Youtuber article at FAC are yet, or what FAC reviewers will expect to see.
I plan to look through and copyedit by section sometime in the next few days; there are also a few more points not resolved at GAN that should probably be reiterated, like how statistics about what parts of an article readers read means we really should be putting the date-footnote in the lead. (It's possible to 'name' footnotes to use them multiple times in an article, which I'm willing to do at the copyedit if there's appetite to have it appear twice.) Outside of that, the big thing to resolve is sourcing and information density -- I've mostly mentioned what FAC reviewers will be wanting to see sourcewise (e.g. not much use of Heavy/Newsweek), and the point I've made about non-online sourcing is still worth thinking about. Non-online sourcing is obviously less important for this article than for most articles, but it's still where we're likely to find some of the unclear details about e.g. his parents' careers. I notice Lentz (writer of the Obituaries in the Performing Arts series) referred to his 'parents' generally as figures in Ghanaian politics, and it might be worth seeing what led him to that phrasing rather than just talking about his father -- if you could get the book itself, you could check its bibliography and see if he uses any sources worth looking at. Physical copies are expensive (par for the course with academic publishing), but if that's too prohibitive, we have some articles that might be of interest to you.
Also: now that you've had an article reviewed at GAN and are getting a feel for the process, why not pay it forward? GAN functions on people reviewing at least as often as they nominate, and it's a fascinating way to expand your horizons and learn more about a subject while improving the encyclopedia. For newer editors it can be a little scary to look at a list of articles that aren't always in your comfort range, but as someone who's reviewed a lot on many topics I can provide any advice and mentoring necessary to start doing GAN reviews yourself. It's an important part of keeping the process working, and an easy way to contribute to the improvement of our articles. Vaticidal prophet 16:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Hey, Vaticidalprophet, long time no talk! I wanted to let you know that I'm considering opening a peer review this week so I can get guidance for the best courses of action to get it to FAC. My intent is to pre-emptively fix any issues beforehand so the FAC process goes as smoothly as possible. I'm inexperienced when it comes to this, so I figured that having some outside help would accelerate the progress of this article. So, I was wondering if you had any concerns or changes you want to make to the article in advance, or if you even recommend me doing this at all. Also, I'm still seeking sources for their parents too but school has admittedly limited my time a bit these past few months. Thanks, PantheonRadiance ( talk) 23:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: @ PantheonRadiance: Good article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 21:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Re-opening an old discussion as to the presence of his final video on the page. It is my opinion that this video is best sourced rather than included in-line on the page; while undeniably valuable to wider society, isn't really relevant to an encyclopedia. I believe the paragraph beginning "At midnight on June 20..." does a sufficient job of describing it.
I'm also not convinced as to the copyright status of the video; as I understand it, YouTube videos are subject to copyright of the original creator. Etika's death was unlikely to release his works into the public domain as US copyright law states it lasts for seventy years after the owner's death (unless in the video he asks for it to be shared?) The Commons page says "CC-BY-3.0, as stated in the archived page source code" but I believe this is discussing Wayback Machine's policy, not the content therein.
If it is copyrighted content, it would fall under
WP:NFCCP where it fails contextual significance (the reader's understanding is not substantially improved by the the video, nor would it be significantly damaged should it be removed).
TLDR: support deletion of "I'm sorry" due to copyright and significance questions. Couruu ( talk) 16:18, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
EDIT: Removed the copyright complaint, but the relevance of the video question still stands. Couruu ( talk) 16:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
License: Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed)). Vaticidal prophet 16:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
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Should we just change the article name to Daniel Desmond Amofah? This article already showcases more of his life other than his disappearance as shown in the career part and Etika is already a notable, well-known enough figure online to have his own article rather than just based on one incident. Uelly ( talk) 09:44, 25 June 2019 (UTC)Uelly
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His full name, Daniel Desmond Amofah, would portray him as more of a real person rather than someone who doesn’t need to be called their real name DreaganX ( talk) 06:30, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Etika has been found dead, per here. Trazire ( talk) 16:47, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
His first name is Daniel but he goes by Desmond Michael14375 ( talk) 18:22, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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This page is now named Etika (streamer) but it should not be. There is no need to disambiguate. If we are going to use the name Etika that should be the name of the article. Etika is now a redirect to this article which makes no sense. But there have been two or three moves of the page in the last few hours. There should not be any more until consensus is reached. What should the article name be? -- MelanieN ( talk) 19:34, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
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It'd be more respectful to have a photo posted by Etika from his Instagram, rather than using a screencap from his "goodbye" video. An image such as https://www.instagram.com/p/BrqPHIRhta8/ would be preferable. (Direct Link: https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/fc5d7bb507704f6ce6901cb515703f10/5DB769D0/t51.2885-15/e35/46714583_373416163426326_4629470249639477248_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com)
Thank you, and rest in peace Desmond. 2605:A000:1618:C368:D49F:4C21:6DD1:D58E ( talk) 20:50, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
The goodbye video picture isn’t fitting. I want a pic from his Instagram to show the joy in him LogicIsTheBestWhiteRapper ( talk) 21:32, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
The news article is "YouTube Star Etika Is Found Dead in NYC, Leaving Thousands of Fans in Mourning" from Dara Sharif of The Root (magazine). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:9000:A507:FCB6:A19A:2362:5C45:2B3F ( talk) 01:54, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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On this page if states cause of death was murder but no evidence has shown what the cause of death was as it could he suicide or murder 75.163.172.126 ( talk) 03:58, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
So the E Online announcing the cause of death states he died on June 24. Reading the full article, it seems as if they're using that date as it's the date police were notified of the body in the river, so do we change it to June 24 as shown in the source, or leave it as circa the 19th? Magitroopa ( talk) 15:47, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Shouldn't the citation (no plural) be of the change.org petition itself? Citing three sources that talk about the petition instead of the petition itself is just deadweight loss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.126.187 ( talk) 20:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
Unverified? Change.org can't verify itself? You need three different news articles to verify it? How exactly do these articles verify it? Perhaps by citing the petition? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.126.187 ( talk) 17:19, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Despite what the media says, his full name seems to be Desmond Daniel Amofah, according to himself, his ex-girlfriend, and his friend. 90.252.85.46 ( talk) 23:23, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
"Amofah's death highlighted social media platforms' handling of posts by users who appear at risk with mental illness or who are contemplating suicide. In 2017, Facebook increased its efforts to screen and alert possible suicide threats after several people in 2017 live-streamed suicides on Facebook Live. Facebook now utilizes both algorithms and user reports to flag such threats."
However, I failed to find that he was live-streamed on Facebook Live and I think it is more suitable in broader topic such as "Social Media and Mental Health" rather than a person's topic. Should we delete it and only mentioning Facebook's attempt to reduce suicide? Mariogoods ( talk) 22:35, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Etika went missing on June 19, which is the date currently listed in the article, but his ex-girlfriend Christine tweeted that she learned he actually died on the 22nd: https://twitter.com/TheAlicePika/status/1145388228272427017 Though this obviously isn't an official police report, she was one of the closest people to him and it sounds like she may have learned this from an official source. Should the date be changed to the 22nd instead of the 19th? CeilingMessenger ( talk) 03:42, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Haven't at this point in time the police and forensics figured out the exact day Etika was declared dead? Or has technology haven't gotten far enough where you can exactly pinpoint a drowning victim's time of death. Uuruuseiyo ( talk) 05:08, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Counting all three of his past channels, he has accumulated exactly 145,385,079 video views (and counting) as of July 9th, 2019. 143,741,591 views on "ewnetwork," 839,717 views on "Tr1Iceman," and 803,771 views on "EtikaFRFX." PantheonRadiance ( talk) 01:44, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
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The memorial that the fans put up for Etika has been taken down. 104.10.133.48 ( talk) 19:40, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) -- 47.148.66.221 ( talk) 22:46, 14 July 2019 (UTC) ITs important for people to know about etika and how depression kills everyone
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) -- AceAlen ( talk) 22:48, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Should be left alone. Many people have tried to delete this article for ridiculous reasons and should just be left alone.
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... (your reason here) -- 100.40.122.112 ( talk) 22:49, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
Dear Wikipedia,
After reviewing this article on the now deceased Desmond Daniel Amofah A.K.A. Etika, I have come to the conclusion that it does not in fact "only serve to promote him", as what is claimed. The article provides transparent information as to where Etika projected his work by providing links to channels owned by him. In addition to that, this article details his life, his career, the mental health issues he faced, as well as details on his death and disappearance. I believe it's an excellent article for Etika and should not be deleted.
Thank you.
Regards,
Anonymous
Should we add information on the suspension of his Twitter and when it got hacked? Michael14375 ( talk) 08:40, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
since it was restored and back up I don't feel like it needs to be mentioned — Preceding unsigned comment added by HappyBoi3892 ( talk • contribs) 16:25, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
should etikas years active be 2008-2019 since his "rapping career" started in 2008? or should it just be kept his 2011-2015 (modeling) 2012-2019 (youtuber)
I'm removing the suicide note video. It serves no encyclopedic purpose and is arguably sensationalist and voyeouristic. If we want to show a typical example of his work, we can easily find another (more typical) example; it appears they're all CC BY licensed. Huon ( talk) 20:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
I disagree. It is relevant for his biography. He explains why he did what he did. And he says in the video "I hope that my story maybe helps to make YouTube a better place somehow in the future, to let people know boundaries and limits, how far things should go" and "Let my story be one that advises caution on too much of the social media sh** man. It could f*** you up. It can give you an image of what you want your life to be and it can get blown completely out of proportion dawg. And unfortunately, it consumed me. And it made me forget about consequences to my actions."
I think his words are very mature. And he wanted to share these words, so why would the video be voyeuristic? But I agree with you that in addition to this video, it would be good to also add a more typical video. But how can a video from YouTube be inserted? Volstra ( talk) 18:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
Well the video is back so. VinnieBat1 ( talk) 04:53, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
@ Volstra, VinnieBat1, and Huon:There's the moral component. It's one thing to show video evidence of MLK's "I have a dream speech". It's another thing to show footage of rape or involuntary castration/genital mutilation. He's absolutely correct in the fact the internet consumes people and puts too much stuff on display. So unless we can have a private backlog of videos for the sake of "Knowledge" I also support the video's removal. 2604:2000:1107:A0DA:7594:FACD:FA9:34BF ( talk) 22:14, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
Since it's not currently in the article I don't have to remove it, but I still stand by the reasoning I provided above and would ask those who want to add the video to explain how it improves the article. Merely it being freely licensed doesn't mean we have to put it in, and as far as I can tell, it's not an example of the kind of video Etika is notable for. Huon ( talk) 23:23, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
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I have requested for indefinite extended confirmed protection due to childish vandalism coming from multiple IP's. That way users that have a 30-day-old account with over 500 edits can only make edits. This will prevent persistent vandalism. VARNAMi ( talk) 09:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Etika was born in May 12, 1990 and Sonic Battle was first released in Japan on December 4, 2003 and January 5, 2004 in North America according to the game's Wikipedia article. Etika states in a tweet that he came up with the Etika moniker at the age of 12 after a cheat code with the letter combination of "EkiTa" from the game Sonic Battle, but Etika was only 12 in 2002 and Sonic Battle was released at the end of 2003 and beginning of 2004 which would make Etika around 13 at the very earliest known age if he happened to obtain and playthrough Sonic Battle immediately after its release date. Uuruuseiyo ( talk) 14:24, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi everyone,
Just to let you know, the past few days I've been reworking this article by cleaning up citations, removing less reliable sources and replacing them with new reliable ones. I did so because I'm planning on getting this article to Good Article, and eventually Featured Article status. My plan is to get it to GA Status by mid-April so I can have a DYK fact from this article appear on May 12, 2023 - Etika's birthday. Depending on how much time I have after that, I would also consider making this a Featured Article in the near future. If any editors wish to help me bring Etika's article to GA status, please let me know. Thanks, PantheonRadiance ( talk) 05:00, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
HappyBoi3892 I'm thinking of removing that paragraph on the deep web and Gordon Ramsay. Besides the NY Times article which explained that Etika was a fan of him, I couldn't find any sources that discuss that Ramsay followed him on Twitter outside of an actual tweet, which potentially violates WP:SPS. I also couldn't find sources for the deep web stream either outside of other SPSs. Unless you come across any reliable sources discussing this, I'll omit it for the time being. Also, thank you for your edits. PantheonRadiance ( talk) 20:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
I don’t want to be rude, but i think it’s very disrespectful to have his last video posted in the page. I think it should be removed. It does nothing than being more trauma to this story. Just transcribe it in text. 2600:1003:B124:F415:94DB:849C:7769:B960 ( talk) 17:30, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
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I've been mulling for a couple days now about picking this one off the GAN list. My first comments will probably be in a few days. There's obviously some tricky subject matter here, and I respect the effort that's been made around it (especially in such a high-profile article and for a newer editor), though there are very much areas I think need work. I also notice from XTools and Who Wrote That? that the article has more authors than is common for quality-assessed articles/is less 'cohesive', which is a bit visible in the text. That's not a bad thing -- collaboration is the spirit of the project -- but it does result in some non-ideal ways of presenting facts, writing prose, etc that will come up. Vaticidal prophet 17:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Beginning comments:
He was a son of Ghanaian politician Owuraku Amofahis an awkward phrasing. "The son of of Ghanaian politician Owuraku Amofah, he lived in Brooklyn, New York, for most of his life" is more natural -- while he had many siblings, this is still generally understood as a phrasing that allows for siblings.
Following a suspension from Twitter, Amofah uploaded pornography to the EWNetwork channel in October 2018, resulting in its termination; he then posted statements on social media alluding to suicideleaving the implication that this termination directly encouraged his suicide.
would also be terminatedshould just be "was terminated" -- "would be" is sometimes indicated as a phrasing, but a lot of the time, such as here, it sounds stilted.
On June 20, 2019, Amofah was reported missing after an apologetic video was uploaded to his TR1Iceman channel, in which he admitted to having mental health issues-- is 'in which he admitted to having mental health issues' a necessary addition to this sentence? I'd be very careful in general with phrasing like this (I see it repeats in the "Disappearance and death" section) -- it's easily understood as specifically referring to e.g. psychiatric diagnosis, which we should not give the impression of if it's not actually said. In the lead specifically, I think "was reported missing after an apologetic video" gets the idea across more than well enough.
many observers have commented that the signs of Amofah's mental deterioration were either downplayed or ignored prior to his suicideThis is followed by three citations...in the lead. If you need to have something not only cited but cited that heavily in the lead, it's questionable whether you should in fact have it. The "indifference" phrase before this gets the idea across more than well enough.
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Amofah started modeling in his early twenties and continued until 2015.Any clarity on why he stopped?
Initially centered around gaming news, Amofah's video output consisted of Let's Play videos of Nintendo games alongside reaction videos of gaming announcements, mainly of Nintendo Direct presentations. Many of his reactions to such presentations usually involved him screaming and falling out of his chair in elated shock and tossing objects around his room.While this is trying admirably for a show-don't-tell phrasing of 'exaggeratedly upbeat reaction videos', it sounds a bit...jarring.
Amofah's video output, initially centered around gaming news, evolved over time to a focus on Let's Play videos of Nintendo games alongside reaction videos of gaming announcements. His reaction videos, mainly of Nintendo Direct presentations, were noted for their characteristic exaggerated and energetic style; they featured elements such falling out of his chair in elated shock and tossing objects around his room.
Amofah's channel garnered popularity in 2014 due toshould in this context have a comma before 'due to'.
Amofah's channel continued to grow in popularity as he made more videos centered around his reactions to gaming news and YouTube drama, and according to him, he was earning over $300,000 a year through stream donations.Given that this is multiple clauses that could be multiple sections, 'and according to' might read better as '; according to'. Having said that, perhaps more importantly: any specific dates for when he said this?
Despite focusing on Nintendo-related content, Amofah also made playthroughs of various video games"Also" is usually superfluous, and "despite" a bit presumptory, with weird "did he have a non-compete clause or what?" implications to a reader not super-familiar with fandom YTers.
Though he primarily focused on Nintendo-related content, Amofah made playthroughs of video games from multiple publishers, such as[examples].
More to come. Vaticidal prophet 12:13, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Just looking back over this part before continuing.
Despite his earnings, Amofah had revealed in a June 2017 video that he had dealt with multiple "chargebacks", or "fake donations" of large amounts of money sent to his PayPal account via stream donations, which would jostle Amofah with hundreds of dollars in processing feessentence -- is 'jostle' really the best word here, and is 'via stream donations' a necessary addition given it's known to be his primary income source?
I'm leaving just that comment for now -- it's a fairly big one in terms of the section's structure, so it'd be more worthwhile seeing if anything noticeably changes before commenting further. Vaticidal prophet 17:33, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
Continuing this section. The proseline copyedits have really improved flow and readability -- good job on that :)
(that were promptly deleted)parenthesis is of unclear relevance -- it's best not to have parentheses in articles too much anyway. Is the implication meant to be that he deleted them himself, implying regret or similar, or that they were deleted by Twitter's moderation team? The latter is probably too trivial to include. The former might be worth clarifying. If the sources don't specify, we should probably remove.
alarmingly erraticmay be editorializing. (We say the exact words 'erratic behavior' a lot in this section, which is probably worth looking over, but also understandable as a least-bad phrasing giving the issues with calling people 'mentally ill' in wikivoice. I'll expand on that in the next section, given it comes up again.)
Following the interview, Amofah was detained again that week for assaulting a police officer.This paragraph as a whole is very strong, but 'that week' is a bit superfluous/drags a little. It's clear from the rest that the second detainment happened shortly after.
symptomatic of genuine mental ailmentis sort of awkward (especially given the aforementioned 'tricky to call people mentally ill in wikivoice'), but...understandable. "Symptomatic" is probably the word to strike there, given it again implies specific things we really don't want to imply (e.g. having any particular diagnosis of a specific mental illness with known symptoms).
During the majority of Amofah's livestreams in 2019, a large cohort of viewers would frequently spam clown emojis as a way to mock his behavior.This is overwritten.
During Amofah's livestreams in this period, many viewers mocked his behavior by spamming clown emojis.
I'll come back to the mental illness point, which again, the next section deals with a lot. Etika described himself as 'probably mentally ill', and acted in ways that people informally ascribed labels to, but saying much more than that becomes tricky real fast. Wikipedia is, for better or worse, authoritative; saying 'in wikivoice' that Etika 'had mental health issues', 'was mentally ill', etc. strongly gives specific impressions. In particular, the most problematic impression is that he was diagnosed with a specific psychiatric label, or needed specific treatments. The article never says as much and I'm certainly not accusing you of that, but this is something many readers come away with when they read those, and it's very difficult to write these articles in a way that doesn't give such impressions.
I recently wrote Marie Sophie Hingst, which is a GA with some similar qualities (internet-culture person who committed suicide around the same time and age, with lots of speculation about her mental health) that I'm preparing for FAC in the near future. The contexts are very different, but you can see from that article the caution I've used around terminology. Outside the lead -- which I'm still trying to find the right phrasing for -- I've been very careful about not saying things that imply Hingst was mentally ill, or could be diagnosed with a specific label. (German Wikipedia and Wikidata have been less cautious, but that's their problem.) Even the lead just says 'her mental health', without going into further detail. It might be useful to go through and see the ways I've tried to handle that problem myself. Part of why I picked up this review was the firsthand experience writing around similar subjects of "people coded as 'mentally ill' by most sources and their actions, but never actually openly diagnosed with anything or otherwise able to be called such in wikivoice". It's hard, and you've done a pretty fantastic job of it for a first major article contribution, but it still needs some work in the next section especially. Vaticidal prophet 15:50, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
stated that he was dead at the point of recovery-- 'discovery' is less awkward here than 'recovery'.
sent information to Amofah's account which related to national suicide hotlinesDid they do this before (when he was visibly behaving oddly) or...after he uploaded the suicide note?
The aforementioned mental health researchers stressed the need to inform more people on social media about the signs of mental illness, depression, and suicidal thoughts so that they can better recognize when people in a mindset similar to Amofah's are in danger and need supportis probably the part of the article that crosses most problematically into "strong impression of a specific diagnosis". I'm not really comfortable with the way it alludes to a specific authority quoting specific symptoms and making specific comparisons. In general, I think you could more naturally combine the paragraph including this and the one that follows it, and omit the parts (like this) that make the most specific statements about information we don't actually have. Things like the quote from his friend, and the quote from Patricia Hernandez (that link might be warranted here), get the idea across more than well enough.
That should be...much of it? I'll do another pass-through for things I missed. Vaticidal prophet 08:30, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Hey @ PantheonRadiance. You've done an incredible job so far. I noticed in your recent edit that you changed the date of when Etika's belongings were found from June 19 to June 22. I've seen some conflicting articles that state his belongings were found on the same night of his disappearance (e.g., The Daily Dot states the 19th), while others say the 22nd. I remember when this was all going down that the NYPD revealed on the 22nd that they found his belongings, but it's still unclear if they had already found them on the night of his disappearance and waited to inform the public, or if they genuinely found his stuff three days later. HappyBoi3892 ( talk) 19:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
This is now one of very few articles on all Wikipedia about a Youtuber to reach GA status (and I'd make that list even shorter if I reclassified it as "person is actually best-known as a Youtuber and article is actually GA-quality"). It has the potential to be the first at all to reach FA. This is uncharted territory, which means there's a lot we just don't know about what the best sources for a Youtuber article at FAC are yet, or what FAC reviewers will expect to see.
I plan to look through and copyedit by section sometime in the next few days; there are also a few more points not resolved at GAN that should probably be reiterated, like how statistics about what parts of an article readers read means we really should be putting the date-footnote in the lead. (It's possible to 'name' footnotes to use them multiple times in an article, which I'm willing to do at the copyedit if there's appetite to have it appear twice.) Outside of that, the big thing to resolve is sourcing and information density -- I've mostly mentioned what FAC reviewers will be wanting to see sourcewise (e.g. not much use of Heavy/Newsweek), and the point I've made about non-online sourcing is still worth thinking about. Non-online sourcing is obviously less important for this article than for most articles, but it's still where we're likely to find some of the unclear details about e.g. his parents' careers. I notice Lentz (writer of the Obituaries in the Performing Arts series) referred to his 'parents' generally as figures in Ghanaian politics, and it might be worth seeing what led him to that phrasing rather than just talking about his father -- if you could get the book itself, you could check its bibliography and see if he uses any sources worth looking at. Physical copies are expensive (par for the course with academic publishing), but if that's too prohibitive, we have some articles that might be of interest to you.
Also: now that you've had an article reviewed at GAN and are getting a feel for the process, why not pay it forward? GAN functions on people reviewing at least as often as they nominate, and it's a fascinating way to expand your horizons and learn more about a subject while improving the encyclopedia. For newer editors it can be a little scary to look at a list of articles that aren't always in your comfort range, but as someone who's reviewed a lot on many topics I can provide any advice and mentoring necessary to start doing GAN reviews yourself. It's an important part of keeping the process working, and an easy way to contribute to the improvement of our articles. Vaticidal prophet 16:11, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
Hey, Vaticidalprophet, long time no talk! I wanted to let you know that I'm considering opening a peer review this week so I can get guidance for the best courses of action to get it to FAC. My intent is to pre-emptively fix any issues beforehand so the FAC process goes as smoothly as possible. I'm inexperienced when it comes to this, so I figured that having some outside help would accelerate the progress of this article. So, I was wondering if you had any concerns or changes you want to make to the article in advance, or if you even recommend me doing this at all. Also, I'm still seeking sources for their parents too but school has admittedly limited my time a bit these past few months. Thanks, PantheonRadiance ( talk) 23:40, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
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Overall: @ PantheonRadiance: Good article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 21:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
Re-opening an old discussion as to the presence of his final video on the page. It is my opinion that this video is best sourced rather than included in-line on the page; while undeniably valuable to wider society, isn't really relevant to an encyclopedia. I believe the paragraph beginning "At midnight on June 20..." does a sufficient job of describing it.
I'm also not convinced as to the copyright status of the video; as I understand it, YouTube videos are subject to copyright of the original creator. Etika's death was unlikely to release his works into the public domain as US copyright law states it lasts for seventy years after the owner's death (unless in the video he asks for it to be shared?) The Commons page says "CC-BY-3.0, as stated in the archived page source code" but I believe this is discussing Wayback Machine's policy, not the content therein.
If it is copyrighted content, it would fall under
WP:NFCCP where it fails contextual significance (the reader's understanding is not substantially improved by the the video, nor would it be significantly damaged should it be removed).
TLDR: support deletion of "I'm sorry" due to copyright and significance questions. Couruu ( talk) 16:18, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
EDIT: Removed the copyright complaint, but the relevance of the video question still stands. Couruu ( talk) 16:27, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
License: Creative Commons Attribution license (reuse allowed)). Vaticidal prophet 16:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)