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What should i do to clean the page. Am still working on it though. I ll make sure it meets the standards—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Learning1 ( talk • contribs) 30 January 2006.
This is a carry over from a debate on the racial myths board and doesn't belong here.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by VinceT ( talk • contribs) 30 January 2006.
Why? The author gave me permission. This is BS. It is not being debated. IT HAS BEEN PROVEN both geneticaly and physically. Please tell me beofre you erase my hard work. I am sure you wouldnt like someone deleting something you worked on for 3 days straight. Thank you—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Learning1 ( talk • contribs) 30 January 2006.
The great majority of the text of this recently-created article appears to consist of unattributed quotes taken from a variety of on-line sources. While it is permissable to use (properly-attributed) direct quotes from sources in an article, the article should not consist of these entirely. As such, these contributions may readily be regarded as infringements of copyright. I have deleted the offending sections, the ones which remain I have not as yet been able to determine their source.
The passages identified are taken from a variety of sources: compare prev version with these:
Additionally, although each of the (too-many) images in the article claim to be original contributions by the uploader ( Learning1 ( talk · contribs)), I doubt very much whether this is the case, at least for all of them. Compare for example Image:Aids8.jpg with the img on this PBS website.
In summary, not only does it need a cleanup but a diligent check for any other possible infringements.-- cjllw | TALK 01:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
U love doing this don't you? I have asked permession for every single picture and I ASKED THE AUTHOR OF EVERY WORD N HERE. ON TOP OF THAT I GAVE THE SOURCES (I think that is how you find the site. Am I correct?) UR JUST ASSUMING I DIDINT. Please stop deleting my stuff because i have permission for everything.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Learning1 ( talk • contribs) 31 January 2006.
Yea, u guys are great a picking on 14 year olds. Why dont u just leave my hard work legitemate legal work alone. I have all the permission i need. I asked the author on an E-mail..—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Learning1 ( talk • contribs) 1 February 2006.
How can i prove it. If i write what the author told me on the email you guys will just say i made it up. How do you want me to prove it?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Learning1 ( talk • contribs) 2 February 2006.
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This page contains patently inaccurate, misleading information. The lead paragraph, which states that "Ethiopid is a racial classification usually used as part of a system also including Australoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, Caucasoid, and sometimes others such as Capoid" is false. The fact is that system of ethnic/racial classification traditionally includes Capoid -- not Ethiopid. (E.g., see Capoid. Further, under "Geographic scope," the article states that Ethiopid is a distinct "race," along with Caucasoid and Mongoloid, leaving the impression that Ethiopid is not a subgroup of Negroid, which is the term that belongs in the company of the two other terms, as "Caucasoid," "Mongoloid" and "Negroid"/"Africoid" are the three universally recognized, major "racial" groups of humankind. Since ancient times, "Ethiopian" has been synononymous with "black African." Further, the term "Ethiopid" is an exceedingly archaic one. Googling "Ethiopid" produces 6 pages; whereas, "Cushitic" produces 1300+ results.
Further, no anthropologist of the last half century would contend that "Ethiopid" is a separate racial category. The term roughly corresponds to "Cushitic." Participating editors have generally agreed that the term has little credibility/use. (See the article talk page.) I suggest the page and its inaccurate information be essentially obliterated and made a redirect to Cushitic. This page should include a simple sentence stating that the term "Ethiopid" is a somewhat archaic, equivalent term referring to Cushitic peoples. deeceevoice 09:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Ethiopid is now a redirect to Cushitic, with a brief addendeum to the article. The talk page, however, has been preserved here. deeceevoice 15:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Though the article that Learning1 created was not at all of Encyclopedic quality, I do believe that an encyclopedic article on "Ethiopid" can be made. Redirecting it to Cushitic, however, is misleading, as "Ethiopid" is intended to include Cushitic as well as Semitic speaking groups (and Beja, if you consider that to be a separate branch of AA). Regarding its usage, I get 276 hits on google, unlike the 6 that deeceevoice gets, but comparing it to Cushitic is misleading, as Cushitic is a widely used linguistic term, whereas "Ethiopid" is more often used by "race-ologists" (is there a correct term?) whose field is becoming increasingly outdated. As another Wikipedian stated, it also has historical importance with regards to the Hamitic Myth and the Rwandan Genocide.
Yom 09:36, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Article claims that Ethiopids are "Negriod" mix. AcidSnow ( talk) 02:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
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@ Dalhoa: I noticed you undid my edit here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/956019458 Your addition is indeed relevant to the Horn of Africa, but it is not relevant to the topic of this article, which is the "Ethiopid" race", which is a group that would have formed many millenia after the development of AMH (and thus the origin of AMH in general does not specially pertain to it even if they both happened in the Horn of Africa). In my edit notes here [ [6]] I explained my reasons for its removal. Please do not call me "racially motivated". That is extremely inapropriate. Do have an objection/response to my reasons (given here or in the edit note)? Skllagyook ( talk) 03:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
I just restored my last version, since a third editor totally changed the whole article, giving a book by Carlton Coon as source, who is absolutely outdated and horribly racist. Rsk6400 ( talk) 16:50, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
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What should i do to clean the page. Am still working on it though. I ll make sure it meets the standards—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Learning1 ( talk • contribs) 30 January 2006.
This is a carry over from a debate on the racial myths board and doesn't belong here.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by VinceT ( talk • contribs) 30 January 2006.
Why? The author gave me permission. This is BS. It is not being debated. IT HAS BEEN PROVEN both geneticaly and physically. Please tell me beofre you erase my hard work. I am sure you wouldnt like someone deleting something you worked on for 3 days straight. Thank you—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Learning1 ( talk • contribs) 30 January 2006.
The great majority of the text of this recently-created article appears to consist of unattributed quotes taken from a variety of on-line sources. While it is permissable to use (properly-attributed) direct quotes from sources in an article, the article should not consist of these entirely. As such, these contributions may readily be regarded as infringements of copyright. I have deleted the offending sections, the ones which remain I have not as yet been able to determine their source.
The passages identified are taken from a variety of sources: compare prev version with these:
Additionally, although each of the (too-many) images in the article claim to be original contributions by the uploader ( Learning1 ( talk · contribs)), I doubt very much whether this is the case, at least for all of them. Compare for example Image:Aids8.jpg with the img on this PBS website.
In summary, not only does it need a cleanup but a diligent check for any other possible infringements.-- cjllw | TALK 01:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
U love doing this don't you? I have asked permession for every single picture and I ASKED THE AUTHOR OF EVERY WORD N HERE. ON TOP OF THAT I GAVE THE SOURCES (I think that is how you find the site. Am I correct?) UR JUST ASSUMING I DIDINT. Please stop deleting my stuff because i have permission for everything.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Learning1 ( talk • contribs) 31 January 2006.
Yea, u guys are great a picking on 14 year olds. Why dont u just leave my hard work legitemate legal work alone. I have all the permission i need. I asked the author on an E-mail..—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Learning1 ( talk • contribs) 1 February 2006.
How can i prove it. If i write what the author told me on the email you guys will just say i made it up. How do you want me to prove it?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Learning1 ( talk • contribs) 2 February 2006.
DELETE
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This page contains patently inaccurate, misleading information. The lead paragraph, which states that "Ethiopid is a racial classification usually used as part of a system also including Australoid, Mongoloid, Negroid, Caucasoid, and sometimes others such as Capoid" is false. The fact is that system of ethnic/racial classification traditionally includes Capoid -- not Ethiopid. (E.g., see Capoid. Further, under "Geographic scope," the article states that Ethiopid is a distinct "race," along with Caucasoid and Mongoloid, leaving the impression that Ethiopid is not a subgroup of Negroid, which is the term that belongs in the company of the two other terms, as "Caucasoid," "Mongoloid" and "Negroid"/"Africoid" are the three universally recognized, major "racial" groups of humankind. Since ancient times, "Ethiopian" has been synononymous with "black African." Further, the term "Ethiopid" is an exceedingly archaic one. Googling "Ethiopid" produces 6 pages; whereas, "Cushitic" produces 1300+ results.
Further, no anthropologist of the last half century would contend that "Ethiopid" is a separate racial category. The term roughly corresponds to "Cushitic." Participating editors have generally agreed that the term has little credibility/use. (See the article talk page.) I suggest the page and its inaccurate information be essentially obliterated and made a redirect to Cushitic. This page should include a simple sentence stating that the term "Ethiopid" is a somewhat archaic, equivalent term referring to Cushitic peoples. deeceevoice 09:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Ethiopid is now a redirect to Cushitic, with a brief addendeum to the article. The talk page, however, has been preserved here. deeceevoice 15:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Though the article that Learning1 created was not at all of Encyclopedic quality, I do believe that an encyclopedic article on "Ethiopid" can be made. Redirecting it to Cushitic, however, is misleading, as "Ethiopid" is intended to include Cushitic as well as Semitic speaking groups (and Beja, if you consider that to be a separate branch of AA). Regarding its usage, I get 276 hits on google, unlike the 6 that deeceevoice gets, but comparing it to Cushitic is misleading, as Cushitic is a widely used linguistic term, whereas "Ethiopid" is more often used by "race-ologists" (is there a correct term?) whose field is becoming increasingly outdated. As another Wikipedian stated, it also has historical importance with regards to the Hamitic Myth and the Rwandan Genocide.
Yom 09:36, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Article claims that Ethiopids are "Negriod" mix. AcidSnow ( talk) 02:45, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
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@ Dalhoa: I noticed you undid my edit here. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/956019458 Your addition is indeed relevant to the Horn of Africa, but it is not relevant to the topic of this article, which is the "Ethiopid" race", which is a group that would have formed many millenia after the development of AMH (and thus the origin of AMH in general does not specially pertain to it even if they both happened in the Horn of Africa). In my edit notes here [ [6]] I explained my reasons for its removal. Please do not call me "racially motivated". That is extremely inapropriate. Do have an objection/response to my reasons (given here or in the edit note)? Skllagyook ( talk) 03:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
I just restored my last version, since a third editor totally changed the whole article, giving a book by Carlton Coon as source, who is absolutely outdated and horribly racist. Rsk6400 ( talk) 16:50, 11 May 2020 (UTC)