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I think this page needs to be expanded in terms of perhaps methods of teaching/training and also the different disciplines of riding. There is nothing on hacking or trekking and little on English riding. Ashfan83 15:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I removed this paragraph from the horse behavior article, as it seems more applicable here.
Montanabw 18:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
The Olympic section needs editing, we need to check whether vaulting, reining and driving haven't been made into Olympic sports? One could also mention the other major international tournaments like the World Cup and Samsung Nations' cup.
Other points barely covered: para-equestrianism, pony competitions and Young Riders, Breeder's shows and of course, general expansion of the European/Olympic forms of competition. I'm aiming to look into the European sections in the next few weeks, hopefully before Aachen!
I have also noticed that very few famous equestrian performers are covered in Wiki as a whole, would it be appropriate to include a few here, or should they go under their respective sports, such as show jumping/dressage/eventing/driving? -- Wilma Sweden 01:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the External links because none of them seem to meet Wikipedia's standards for External links WP:LINKS. "it is not Wikipedia's purpose to include a comprehensive list of external links related to each topic". The pages linked are home pages and therefore have no specific information related to this article (and 5 of those six links specifically relate to other articles re: Dressage, Endurance riding, ect). A web page could have information somewhere in their content that could be cited and linked but that specific page on that website should be linked, NOT the websites homepage. For example:
Wikipedia also asks that: "If the site or page to which you want to link includes information that is not yet a part of the article, consider using it as a source first" Fountains of Bryn Mawr 22:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I think your problem is primarily with semanics. "External links" are places people can go for more information. They are appropriate, and here, where the topic is so huge and there is no single "Equestrianism" source, there is a need for multiple sources. While I agree that they don't need to be extensive, and perhaps some could be reclassified as "References", "Sources" or "For more information" -- or whatever-- I think you misunderstand the wikipedia principle here. The principle is to provide needed information to the reader. And, again, if you want to go to the other articles and verify that their links are all good and link properly, that may be a job worth doing. All I am really asking is that you realize that there are a lot of people working on this page who are taking something that was a total mess six months ago and have brought it a long ways in terms of removing link farm links, repeatedly reverting a pornographic image that some idiot keeps putting in here because they think it's funny, moving extensive material on a narrow topic into a new article, and generally work on improving substantive content. We don't need an edit war over this. The whole article still needs organizational work, it may benefit from having some content merged with existing articles or new articles created, and in the meantime, I think that links to the major sanctioning organizations for worldwide equestrian activity will stand up under scrutiny until the overall article has things like sources and footnotes. Montanabw 04:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I recently read an article saying horseback riding belongs to animal cruelty. Perhaps an expert can verify to what an extent this is true and then include the results with cited references in the article. Skypher 19:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Probably some Peta people will run and add that fishing is cruel to fish just as they claim hunting is cruel to deer. White Arabian mare ( talk) 18:44, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
The article neglects to mention warfighting, one of the most prominent historical uses of the horse. Fuegonel23 19:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Can we have a section on horse-riding in Iceland as their style of equestrianism is unique —Preceding unsigned comment added by Catherinefionarichardson ( talk • contribs) 17:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I am proposing getting rid of the gambling section.... I have nothing against a good wager, however, it doesn't seem to flow with the article and I find the section is too long/detailed. It doesn't seem to me to be integral to 'equestrianism.' Can we just mention betting on horses, and then link to the gambling page? -- AeronM ( talk) 01:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
These section headings need a bit of clean-up... for example, 'English Riding' is bold, but 'Western Riding' is a section heading. Also, could we organize the headings a bit better, for example, using English and Western as major section headings, with other things falling under these, such as
etc. etc.? -- AeronM ( talk) 01:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello, all --
I realize that this is a distasteful subject to many in the horse field, especially among those with a love of show jumpers, but the John Edwards and Rielle Hunter affair currently in the news has opened up many, many questions on the subject of the late 20th century horse murders scandal. The reason for that, in case you don't know, is that Rielle Hunter was formerly Lisa Druck, whose father, James Druck conspired to have her beloved show jumper Henry the Hawk electrocuted to collect the insurance money on him. This tragedy formed the backgtound for a 1988 novel based on Lisa Druck's life, called Story of my Life by Jay McInerney. Later, in the early to mid 1990s, the scandal was exposed to the public through articles in the New York imes and Sports Illustrated, and then through a full-length book called "Hot Blood." An FBI investigation into the horse murders led to the conviction of a number of highly placed people in the show jumper and general equatrian sports world on charges of insuracne fraud.
When Rielle Hunter's background was probed, due to her affair with John Edwards, it turned out that she and her horse were prominent victims of the horse murder insurance scam. But in trying to link this information up to her bio article, it turned up that there is no article on the subject of the horse murders at Wikipedia, doubtless because the scandal occured before the development of the world wide web. There is an article on the murder of the millionairess Helen Brach whose death, in 1977, was also connected to the horse murder scandal.
I am looking for a few good editors who have the brackground to write a horse murders article, and to link it to the Helen Brach, show jumping, and Rielle Hunter articles. No need to reply to me -- if you are interested, you know what to do. I will try to help, also, as best i can, but the topic is far from my usual fild of writing, and i would prefer to see it handled by those with the greatest depth of knowledge on the subject.
I am posting this identical request to a number of horse-rleated talk pages, so you may see it more than once, for which i apologize in advance.
Sincerely, catherine yronwode Catherineyronwode ( talk) 02:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I've reverted some good faith, but unneeded edits and unsourced edits to the article. Discussion of horse breeds is better done at the horse breeds article. Equestrianism does refer to other activities with horses besides just riding. And we don't need to update the date on the "references needed" tag nor do we need footnote text on an interwiki link. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a relatively new study [2] that suggests that longterm riding seems cause some damage to a woman's clitoris. Should a new health concerns section be made, or incorporate this into an existing section? I also have a reliable secondary source available, citing that and another study [3] (which is more related to bikers and runners), but unfortunately it's only in Finnish [4]. — Twinzor Say hi! 18:54, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
I think that perhaps there might be less resistance to the information if there was also information on the more common riding hazards, such as broken bones, etc. By concentrating on one study devoted to a not very common health concern of riding without discussing or even having the much more common hazards even in the article, it certainly looks like pusing a POV in regards to this study, and brings up undue weight concerns by excluding other studies concerned with health issues. Keep in mind we're not a riding manual here, and lets compare this article to articles on other sports such as baseball or auto racing. Do those articles cover the health concerns of participants? Ealdgyth - Talk 13:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Methods. The patients were assessed with a detailed history, and were submitted, in the periovulatory phase of the cycle (day 14), to clitoral ultrasonographic analysis and color Doppler evaluation of the dorsal clitoral arteries. The women were not sexually aroused. On the same day, in a separate room—and prior the ultrasound and Doppler examinations took place—the subjects completed the two-factor Italian MFSQ.
Results. All the patients were completely asymptomatic but reported a past history of intermittent perineal tenderness or discomfort. In five out of the six subjects, the ultrasonographic assessment of the clitoris evidenced a disseminated clitoral microlithiasis. Only the youngest (18 years old) biker showed a normal pattern of the clitoral structures.
The chronic traumatisms may be responsible, especially in well-trained riders, for microhematomas, inflammation, and/or degenerative processes at level of the clitoral structure. Further studies should be undertaken to determine the clinical significance of the described disseminated clitoral microlithiasis. (emphasis mine)
This article needs a section along the lines of Cycling#Injuries. -- Una Smith ( talk) 15:44, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
This reference represents a case series of six women, of whom five had evidence of this injury. This does not even qualify as class IV evidence. The authors of the paper acknowledge that this evidence is weak and requires further investigation before any definite conclusions can be drawn. In addition, the women had no symptoms, and there is no evidence that the women were actually harmed. In my opinion, this information does not belong in Wikipedia's article about "Equestrianism". [However it would deserve a single sentence in Wikipedia's article about " Clitoral injury", if such an article existed.] Axl ¤ [Talk] 18:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Why would it deserve an entry in another article but not here, since it's very much related to this article?
— Twinzor
I disagree that "it's very much related to this article". Axl ¤ [Talk] 18:47, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Una, I like how the new section is forming up. Perhaps we should start considering integrating it to the article? — Twinzor Say hi! 21:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to ask your opinions on which source to use related to the percentages of cause of injury. PMID 3580722 says 60% caused by falling (see full text, section "The mechanism of injury"), and this says 80% caused by falling (section "type of injury"). Any thoughts? — Twinzor Say hi! 16:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Interpretation of data concerning risks require consideration of statistical issues. Some helpful Wikipedia pages about these include:
A handy navbox is Template:Medical research studies. -- Una Smith ( talk) 17:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Could someone with statistics experience please read PMID 12887517, Pattern of equestrian injuries presenting to a Sydney teaching hospital for some important information. The article reports a trend over 6 years of increased helmet use and decreased rate of admission to hospital. But, did the analysis properly control for any confounding effect of year on the association between helmet use and admission? Also, is there possible selection bias due to a patient consent requirement in the 2nd half of the study period? -- Una Smith ( talk) 20:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate the work that has gone into this proposed addtition, but it still lacks credibility, does not address the issue of riding drownings, spinal or men's injuries. A quick check of some other sites makes no mention of Twinzor's injury claims. Tim Vickers has summed up the issue very well. Other sites of interest are:
Cgoodwin ( talk) 04:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This article matches one of my search terms (equestrian or horse riding), so may have some relevant information, but it has no abstract on PubMed. -- Una Smith ( talk) 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
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help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)I have merged the text from User:Twinzor/Equestrianism health concerns into the article, and added {{ expand}} tags where more content is needed. -- Una Smith ( talk) 16:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
This article should mention this term, which refers to the major changes that occurred in cultures that mastered the art of horse riding ( refs). The history section could use some major expansion. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
~:-- Pitke ( talk) 22:54, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I have this page already a long time on my watch-list, and now that I see some new activity regarding this article, I think we maybe have to consider what we want in his article, and what should be in other articles. What bothers me is that this article is primarily a list. I think that is not a good idea, and I suggest that we lift the list aspect out of this article, and make that a separate List of horse sports or List of equestrian activities or something like that.
After that, we can focus here on the general aspects of equestrianism that span the different sports etc, aka, History, Diversity of activities, Health, Criticism, Cultural aspects, etc. What do others think of this?
Anyway, it would be nice to take this article to GA or something like that as this is one of our top priority articles! -- Kim van der Linde at venus 02:27, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
The following text was removed from this article yesterday, with the edit summary "Actually not, apparently men and women also compete together in the yachting sports":
<ref>
tag has too many names (see the
help page).I suggest that this edit be reverted and the text edited slightly to make it clearer that (if the source is correct) it is only in the equestrian disciplines that men and women compete against each other on equal terms. If my understanding is correct, which it may well not be, in yachting and, as has been mentioned elsewhere, badminton, men and women compete together in teams, but not against each other. The only other sport I can think of offhand where men and women may compete on equal footing is target-shooting, but I don't know if that is an Olympic sport, or what the rules are if it is.
I'd also suggest that the point be amplified, either in this article or elsewhere. Sexual discrimination in sport is entrenched and apparently virtually unopposed, in a manner that would be considered unacceptable in almost every other context in modern society and is to me personally quite incomprehensible. One of the most attractive aspects of equestrian sports is the absence (in places, at least) of that discrimination.
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk) 10:16, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
There seem to be two estimates of first riding 4500 BCe in Russia according to reference or 8000 BCe in Iran according to cave painting
Can this be clarified
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chadnash ( talk • contribs) 13:18, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Can anybody please help with a query over at the Miscellaneous Refdesk; WP:RD/M#Shabraque_image. I seem to have stumped the resident polymaths! Alansplodge ( talk) 14:00, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Taking tagging issue to talk, per BRD - the situation is simple: As you can see, this article is long, complex, and occasionally subject to assorted controversies. It is in need of general improvement and sourcing, but the three most active members of wikiproject equine are working on other things. Periodically, small runs are made at various sections, but progress is slow. There is no harm to a universal tag, and if we were to go through the article and place {{ citation needed}} everywhere GA standards would require a cite, there would be a gazillion tags. That's why it's there. And why it needs to stay there. Montanabw (talk) 18:19, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
The way the article is currently written makes it sound like simply wearing spurs can cause ankle sprains or dislocation. I think what the contributor was implying is that when a rider wearing spurs falls, the spur may catch on the ground or something else and cause the ankle to twist hard enough to cause a serious injury. White Arabian mare ( talk) 16:35, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
The line "Show events such as Western pleasure use much flashier equipment, unlike the English traditions where clothing and tack is quiet and unobtrusive" bugs me. Sure, some western rodeos and such will sometimes see bedazzled clothing and a little silver here and there, but compare that to English riding with white gloves, bright white breeches and top hats and long tails (on the jackets, not necessarily the horses), knotted manes, and I would argue English styles are far from quiet and unobtrusive. See File:Saddle_seat_Tail.jpg for example. But I don't know how to describe the differences in a way both camps would appreciate. Nerfer ( talk) 22:25, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Strange there is no article about horses as transportation.- ApexUnderground ( talk) 21:15, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
The article states that 30 million people ride horses in the US each year. While the cited source supports this, that number seems incredibly high. A quick google search shows a number of other sources, all of which seem to suggest numbers that are lower by at least an order of magnitude. For reference, a number of 30 million would suggest one in ten people in the US rides a horse each year (including the elderly, infants, etc). While this is possible, it strains credulity. Jefffhaynes ( talk) 01:59, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi, garrocha seems to be some Iberian riding-wih-a-pole exercise. There are a few YouTube clips, but not much info there or elsewhere; all I know is the Goya painting. Anyone? T 84.208.86.134 ( talk) 07:52, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
I believe the correct term ought to be (although it currently isn't) Equestrics. Equestrianism sounds like a horse-ruled political system, such as a herd of wild horses might observe amongst their own kind and hierarchy. Rather, in the same manner we refer to athletics, gymnastics, aquatics, aerobics, Olympics, and acrobatics... we ought to be saying Equestrics. 2601:243:4:E90A:84F5:EC7A:8C9E:8699 ( talk) 20:12, 21 November 2022 (UTC)
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I think this page needs to be expanded in terms of perhaps methods of teaching/training and also the different disciplines of riding. There is nothing on hacking or trekking and little on English riding. Ashfan83 15:42, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
I removed this paragraph from the horse behavior article, as it seems more applicable here.
Montanabw 18:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
The Olympic section needs editing, we need to check whether vaulting, reining and driving haven't been made into Olympic sports? One could also mention the other major international tournaments like the World Cup and Samsung Nations' cup.
Other points barely covered: para-equestrianism, pony competitions and Young Riders, Breeder's shows and of course, general expansion of the European/Olympic forms of competition. I'm aiming to look into the European sections in the next few weeks, hopefully before Aachen!
I have also noticed that very few famous equestrian performers are covered in Wiki as a whole, would it be appropriate to include a few here, or should they go under their respective sports, such as show jumping/dressage/eventing/driving? -- Wilma Sweden 01:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the External links because none of them seem to meet Wikipedia's standards for External links WP:LINKS. "it is not Wikipedia's purpose to include a comprehensive list of external links related to each topic". The pages linked are home pages and therefore have no specific information related to this article (and 5 of those six links specifically relate to other articles re: Dressage, Endurance riding, ect). A web page could have information somewhere in their content that could be cited and linked but that specific page on that website should be linked, NOT the websites homepage. For example:
Wikipedia also asks that: "If the site or page to which you want to link includes information that is not yet a part of the article, consider using it as a source first" Fountains of Bryn Mawr 22:53, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
I think your problem is primarily with semanics. "External links" are places people can go for more information. They are appropriate, and here, where the topic is so huge and there is no single "Equestrianism" source, there is a need for multiple sources. While I agree that they don't need to be extensive, and perhaps some could be reclassified as "References", "Sources" or "For more information" -- or whatever-- I think you misunderstand the wikipedia principle here. The principle is to provide needed information to the reader. And, again, if you want to go to the other articles and verify that their links are all good and link properly, that may be a job worth doing. All I am really asking is that you realize that there are a lot of people working on this page who are taking something that was a total mess six months ago and have brought it a long ways in terms of removing link farm links, repeatedly reverting a pornographic image that some idiot keeps putting in here because they think it's funny, moving extensive material on a narrow topic into a new article, and generally work on improving substantive content. We don't need an edit war over this. The whole article still needs organizational work, it may benefit from having some content merged with existing articles or new articles created, and in the meantime, I think that links to the major sanctioning organizations for worldwide equestrian activity will stand up under scrutiny until the overall article has things like sources and footnotes. Montanabw 04:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I recently read an article saying horseback riding belongs to animal cruelty. Perhaps an expert can verify to what an extent this is true and then include the results with cited references in the article. Skypher 19:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Probably some Peta people will run and add that fishing is cruel to fish just as they claim hunting is cruel to deer. White Arabian mare ( talk) 18:44, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
The article neglects to mention warfighting, one of the most prominent historical uses of the horse. Fuegonel23 19:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Can we have a section on horse-riding in Iceland as their style of equestrianism is unique —Preceding unsigned comment added by Catherinefionarichardson ( talk • contribs) 17:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I am proposing getting rid of the gambling section.... I have nothing against a good wager, however, it doesn't seem to flow with the article and I find the section is too long/detailed. It doesn't seem to me to be integral to 'equestrianism.' Can we just mention betting on horses, and then link to the gambling page? -- AeronM ( talk) 01:58, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
These section headings need a bit of clean-up... for example, 'English Riding' is bold, but 'Western Riding' is a section heading. Also, could we organize the headings a bit better, for example, using English and Western as major section headings, with other things falling under these, such as
etc. etc.? -- AeronM ( talk) 01:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
Hello, all --
I realize that this is a distasteful subject to many in the horse field, especially among those with a love of show jumpers, but the John Edwards and Rielle Hunter affair currently in the news has opened up many, many questions on the subject of the late 20th century horse murders scandal. The reason for that, in case you don't know, is that Rielle Hunter was formerly Lisa Druck, whose father, James Druck conspired to have her beloved show jumper Henry the Hawk electrocuted to collect the insurance money on him. This tragedy formed the backgtound for a 1988 novel based on Lisa Druck's life, called Story of my Life by Jay McInerney. Later, in the early to mid 1990s, the scandal was exposed to the public through articles in the New York imes and Sports Illustrated, and then through a full-length book called "Hot Blood." An FBI investigation into the horse murders led to the conviction of a number of highly placed people in the show jumper and general equatrian sports world on charges of insuracne fraud.
When Rielle Hunter's background was probed, due to her affair with John Edwards, it turned out that she and her horse were prominent victims of the horse murder insurance scam. But in trying to link this information up to her bio article, it turned up that there is no article on the subject of the horse murders at Wikipedia, doubtless because the scandal occured before the development of the world wide web. There is an article on the murder of the millionairess Helen Brach whose death, in 1977, was also connected to the horse murder scandal.
I am looking for a few good editors who have the brackground to write a horse murders article, and to link it to the Helen Brach, show jumping, and Rielle Hunter articles. No need to reply to me -- if you are interested, you know what to do. I will try to help, also, as best i can, but the topic is far from my usual fild of writing, and i would prefer to see it handled by those with the greatest depth of knowledge on the subject.
I am posting this identical request to a number of horse-rleated talk pages, so you may see it more than once, for which i apologize in advance.
Sincerely, catherine yronwode Catherineyronwode ( talk) 02:40, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I've reverted some good faith, but unneeded edits and unsourced edits to the article. Discussion of horse breeds is better done at the horse breeds article. Equestrianism does refer to other activities with horses besides just riding. And we don't need to update the date on the "references needed" tag nor do we need footnote text on an interwiki link. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:25, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a relatively new study [2] that suggests that longterm riding seems cause some damage to a woman's clitoris. Should a new health concerns section be made, or incorporate this into an existing section? I also have a reliable secondary source available, citing that and another study [3] (which is more related to bikers and runners), but unfortunately it's only in Finnish [4]. — Twinzor Say hi! 18:54, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
I think that perhaps there might be less resistance to the information if there was also information on the more common riding hazards, such as broken bones, etc. By concentrating on one study devoted to a not very common health concern of riding without discussing or even having the much more common hazards even in the article, it certainly looks like pusing a POV in regards to this study, and brings up undue weight concerns by excluding other studies concerned with health issues. Keep in mind we're not a riding manual here, and lets compare this article to articles on other sports such as baseball or auto racing. Do those articles cover the health concerns of participants? Ealdgyth - Talk 13:09, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Methods. The patients were assessed with a detailed history, and were submitted, in the periovulatory phase of the cycle (day 14), to clitoral ultrasonographic analysis and color Doppler evaluation of the dorsal clitoral arteries. The women were not sexually aroused. On the same day, in a separate room—and prior the ultrasound and Doppler examinations took place—the subjects completed the two-factor Italian MFSQ.
Results. All the patients were completely asymptomatic but reported a past history of intermittent perineal tenderness or discomfort. In five out of the six subjects, the ultrasonographic assessment of the clitoris evidenced a disseminated clitoral microlithiasis. Only the youngest (18 years old) biker showed a normal pattern of the clitoral structures.
The chronic traumatisms may be responsible, especially in well-trained riders, for microhematomas, inflammation, and/or degenerative processes at level of the clitoral structure. Further studies should be undertaken to determine the clinical significance of the described disseminated clitoral microlithiasis. (emphasis mine)
This article needs a section along the lines of Cycling#Injuries. -- Una Smith ( talk) 15:44, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
This reference represents a case series of six women, of whom five had evidence of this injury. This does not even qualify as class IV evidence. The authors of the paper acknowledge that this evidence is weak and requires further investigation before any definite conclusions can be drawn. In addition, the women had no symptoms, and there is no evidence that the women were actually harmed. In my opinion, this information does not belong in Wikipedia's article about "Equestrianism". [However it would deserve a single sentence in Wikipedia's article about " Clitoral injury", if such an article existed.] Axl ¤ [Talk] 18:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Why would it deserve an entry in another article but not here, since it's very much related to this article?
— Twinzor
I disagree that "it's very much related to this article". Axl ¤ [Talk] 18:47, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
Una, I like how the new section is forming up. Perhaps we should start considering integrating it to the article? — Twinzor Say hi! 21:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
I'd like to ask your opinions on which source to use related to the percentages of cause of injury. PMID 3580722 says 60% caused by falling (see full text, section "The mechanism of injury"), and this says 80% caused by falling (section "type of injury"). Any thoughts? — Twinzor Say hi! 16:36, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Interpretation of data concerning risks require consideration of statistical issues. Some helpful Wikipedia pages about these include:
A handy navbox is Template:Medical research studies. -- Una Smith ( talk) 17:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Could someone with statistics experience please read PMID 12887517, Pattern of equestrian injuries presenting to a Sydney teaching hospital for some important information. The article reports a trend over 6 years of increased helmet use and decreased rate of admission to hospital. But, did the analysis properly control for any confounding effect of year on the association between helmet use and admission? Also, is there possible selection bias due to a patient consent requirement in the 2nd half of the study period? -- Una Smith ( talk) 20:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
I appreciate the work that has gone into this proposed addtition, but it still lacks credibility, does not address the issue of riding drownings, spinal or men's injuries. A quick check of some other sites makes no mention of Twinzor's injury claims. Tim Vickers has summed up the issue very well. Other sites of interest are:
Cgoodwin ( talk) 04:48, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
This article matches one of my search terms (equestrian or horse riding), so may have some relevant information, but it has no abstract on PubMed. -- Una Smith ( talk) 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
: Unknown parameter |month=
ignored (
help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)I have merged the text from User:Twinzor/Equestrianism health concerns into the article, and added {{ expand}} tags where more content is needed. -- Una Smith ( talk) 16:43, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
This article should mention this term, which refers to the major changes that occurred in cultures that mastered the art of horse riding ( refs). The history section could use some major expansion. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
~:-- Pitke ( talk) 22:54, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Ok, I have this page already a long time on my watch-list, and now that I see some new activity regarding this article, I think we maybe have to consider what we want in his article, and what should be in other articles. What bothers me is that this article is primarily a list. I think that is not a good idea, and I suggest that we lift the list aspect out of this article, and make that a separate List of horse sports or List of equestrian activities or something like that.
After that, we can focus here on the general aspects of equestrianism that span the different sports etc, aka, History, Diversity of activities, Health, Criticism, Cultural aspects, etc. What do others think of this?
Anyway, it would be nice to take this article to GA or something like that as this is one of our top priority articles! -- Kim van der Linde at venus 02:27, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
The following text was removed from this article yesterday, with the edit summary "Actually not, apparently men and women also compete together in the yachting sports":
<ref>
tag has too many names (see the
help page).I suggest that this edit be reverted and the text edited slightly to make it clearer that (if the source is correct) it is only in the equestrian disciplines that men and women compete against each other on equal terms. If my understanding is correct, which it may well not be, in yachting and, as has been mentioned elsewhere, badminton, men and women compete together in teams, but not against each other. The only other sport I can think of offhand where men and women may compete on equal footing is target-shooting, but I don't know if that is an Olympic sport, or what the rules are if it is.
I'd also suggest that the point be amplified, either in this article or elsewhere. Sexual discrimination in sport is entrenched and apparently virtually unopposed, in a manner that would be considered unacceptable in almost every other context in modern society and is to me personally quite incomprehensible. One of the most attractive aspects of equestrian sports is the absence (in places, at least) of that discrimination.
Justlettersandnumbers (
talk) 10:16, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
There seem to be two estimates of first riding 4500 BCe in Russia according to reference or 8000 BCe in Iran according to cave painting
Can this be clarified
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chadnash ( talk • contribs) 13:18, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Can anybody please help with a query over at the Miscellaneous Refdesk; WP:RD/M#Shabraque_image. I seem to have stumped the resident polymaths! Alansplodge ( talk) 14:00, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
Taking tagging issue to talk, per BRD - the situation is simple: As you can see, this article is long, complex, and occasionally subject to assorted controversies. It is in need of general improvement and sourcing, but the three most active members of wikiproject equine are working on other things. Periodically, small runs are made at various sections, but progress is slow. There is no harm to a universal tag, and if we were to go through the article and place {{ citation needed}} everywhere GA standards would require a cite, there would be a gazillion tags. That's why it's there. And why it needs to stay there. Montanabw (talk) 18:19, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
The way the article is currently written makes it sound like simply wearing spurs can cause ankle sprains or dislocation. I think what the contributor was implying is that when a rider wearing spurs falls, the spur may catch on the ground or something else and cause the ankle to twist hard enough to cause a serious injury. White Arabian mare ( talk) 16:35, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
The line "Show events such as Western pleasure use much flashier equipment, unlike the English traditions where clothing and tack is quiet and unobtrusive" bugs me. Sure, some western rodeos and such will sometimes see bedazzled clothing and a little silver here and there, but compare that to English riding with white gloves, bright white breeches and top hats and long tails (on the jackets, not necessarily the horses), knotted manes, and I would argue English styles are far from quiet and unobtrusive. See File:Saddle_seat_Tail.jpg for example. But I don't know how to describe the differences in a way both camps would appreciate. Nerfer ( talk) 22:25, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Strange there is no article about horses as transportation.- ApexUnderground ( talk) 21:15, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
The article states that 30 million people ride horses in the US each year. While the cited source supports this, that number seems incredibly high. A quick google search shows a number of other sources, all of which seem to suggest numbers that are lower by at least an order of magnitude. For reference, a number of 30 million would suggest one in ten people in the US rides a horse each year (including the elderly, infants, etc). While this is possible, it strains credulity. Jefffhaynes ( talk) 01:59, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Hi, garrocha seems to be some Iberian riding-wih-a-pole exercise. There are a few YouTube clips, but not much info there or elsewhere; all I know is the Goya painting. Anyone? T 84.208.86.134 ( talk) 07:52, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
I believe the correct term ought to be (although it currently isn't) Equestrics. Equestrianism sounds like a horse-ruled political system, such as a herd of wild horses might observe amongst their own kind and hierarchy. Rather, in the same manner we refer to athletics, gymnastics, aquatics, aerobics, Olympics, and acrobatics... we ought to be saying Equestrics. 2601:243:4:E90A:84F5:EC7A:8C9E:8699 ( talk) 20:12, 21 November 2022 (UTC)