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Meh, I found the "accepted" version of this subject inadaquately conveying Elvis' extraordinary vocal prowess and abilities, which are a huge part of his timeless legend and his success, so I added a few things which I feel improved it, but they were apparently rejected for the last inadaquate version. I knew it was a waste of time. Elvis will only adaquately be represented in the minds of those who actually know him and his music and his voice. Wiki won't do so and anyone reading it will be led astray. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.156.52.237 ( talk) 14:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, POV statements, that's all. I added a few more pieces from quotes right here at the Wikipedia quote section about his vocal ability, and a comment or two of my own that I thought would more accurately convey the extent of his ability. But somehow the "racial issues" area of Elvis' page merits far more text here than his vocal talents (something important) do. Gotcha. I submit that some of the "reviewers and editors" making this page are not fully competent about Elvis and his career. Nothing about the several documented statements from people who actually worked with him in the studio regarding how he "arranged and produced" much of his (non-movie) music throughout his career either. Naw, that ain't important either. Can't find room for that tripe here. How about I add something about fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches? Will that stay here? "Featured article" eh? God help Elvis' actual "musical" legacy if left to Wikipedia, which unfortunately is where most people who don't know about him now look first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.4.15.170 ( talk) 03:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
My apologies to you and other editors who are doing a good job here. I admit Elvis' page is a lot better than it used to be. I used to refuse to even enter it because it was so horrible and full of lies and unproven slanderous BS. It's a lot better now and looks like a decent page now, but I personally am not fully happy with how Elvis' musical legacy is portrayed, but as Elvis once sang, that's all right. I was ticked when my edits under "vocal style and range" were removed because if there is going to be an "edit" button to click into and edit something, then it's removed, what's the point of it? If there has to be a meeting at the round table first to discuss edits, good. It should be that way and especially with an icon like EP, but they should remove the edit buttons in that case. They give people the wrong idea and waste their time in the end when what they add is removed. I made the edits that were removed and I then suggested another edit here about Elvis arranging and producing much of his work himself, excluding much of the 60's "movie" songs which he detested, and that's something else that should absolutely be included by any reasonable measure, as it is documented by several people. I have some commentary about it myself in various books and such by various people who were with him, including studio engineers and musicians. I have seen others, and there are even some quotes here at Wiki about it. The "co-writer" of Heartbreak Hotel said he didn't recognize the song after Elvis was finished with it. Elvis totally rearranged it in the studio and even changed a few lyrics there, and the writer said Elvis deserved the credit that he got.
This was common throughout Elvis' career. Steve Sholes was listed as producer at RCA for the first half of EP's RCA career, but was mainly an A&R man and the extent of his job in the studio was mainly bringing in tunes he thought Elvis would like, and seeing to it that Elvis had what Elvis wanted in the studio. Much was the same later with Felton Jarvis. At the end of the day, he carried out what Elvis wanted, exactly how Elvis wanted it. Elvis ran the show, his was the last word from top to bottom in the studio. Vocals, arrangements, instrumentation, mixes, everything, and it's been well documented. Chips Moman produced his '69 Memphis sessions for the most part, but Elvis had some disagreements with him. He let Chips mainly have his way because he had agreed to it prior. There are accounts of Elvis going ballistic upon hearing a new song of his on the radio or when he heard the released record and it not sounding like he left it in the studio because it was tinkered with after. I feel this all should be included in his musical legacy. It's decades overdue. Peace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.156.61.119 ( talk) 06:27, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the input, DCGeist. The only parts of all you display here that I wrote myself are the first example that you deem "puffery", and a stray word or two here or there. Probably 85 or 90% of what you mention above was taken from quotes here at Wiki that I used, not my words. If I wrote the entire section myself, there wouldn't be "redundancy" or "overlaps", but I knew I couldn't do that, so I just added a few pieces to further convey what I still think was lacking and remains lacking. If what I wrote myself is "puffery", so be it. I'd also like to see the "arranging and producing" aspect of EP's career addressed, but maybe that's irrelevant for a musical artist, or just Elvis, I don't know. It's been ignored in the article and right here. So be it. You can't please everyone. I don't represent Elvis. I'm not an Elvis Wikipedia watchdog. I don't have the time or desire to make repeated suggestions and hope one sees the light of day, or that it's even discussed. Elvis' page is a lot better than it was, at least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.156.54.2 ( talk) 03:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
I have various quotes from various sources regarding EP's arranging and producing, from well-regarded books and from for example the big information booklets that come with the various EP boxed sets I have. Various quotes and statements from various people who worked with Elvis directly in the studio. Musicians, engineers, et. Back in those days and especially with early rock music, the "producer" credit was usually just given to the record label's A&R man et, as with Sholes at RCA. This continued in that fashion with Elvis and RCA through his career, because Elvis was old school in that sense and he never gave a crap about details like that. You didn't really hear much about who "produced" something in rock music until the 60's when it began with the Beatles and the other 60's bands listing who the actual producers were. Elvis was never concerned with who got that credit with his work, but from the several various accounts I have read from people I would call very reliable because they were right there with Elvis for years, Elvis was completely in charge in the studio. I don't know how I would relay these comments and quotes here to Wiki other than writing them and where they are from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.3.242.73 ( talk) 07:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Controlling contributions in this way doesn't do anything for quality. It's creates a situation where people with something of value won't contribute because, as the previous IP contributor pointedly puts it,"They give people the wrong idea and waste their time in the end when what they add is removed." The gatekeepers don't own this article, but they're acting as if they do. They say things like,"I think two mentions, tops, each of a sentence or two would be appropriate." They try to take an editor's sources and hijack them as their own ("[provide] the titles of the books, just so we can be assured that they meet our high-quality sourcing standards.") The result, inevitably, is a very low quality "FA" article. Technically it's FA (word-count, references, etc) , but the encyclopedic content is weak because of the severely limited scope of the article. We outsiders aren't going to write anything because we know our efforts will be deleted and disparaged by others who fully believe that the present fixed state of the article is far more important than what someone else is trying to contribute. Santamoly ( talk) 03:24, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Okay. I Love elvis and this video [1] shows his vocal range as D2-C#5. Let us add it to the article. AttilaBrady ( talk) 23:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I was impressed by the Placido Domingo quote, as well. So I spent quite a bit of time digging around for a good source for it. I couldn't find anything even remotely close to our standards. I'm afraid it may be apocryphal. DocKino ( talk) 23:01, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
A bit more on this: Our brethren at Wikiquote claim Placido said this "in an interview given to 'Hola' Magazine (Spanish version), as published in June of 1994." Still, no decent English-language source has ever published the supposed translation, and a search of Hola.com (whose search mechanism does seem half-broken) turns up nothing on the Spanish-language side. We remain a far way from verifying this quote, though I'd love to use it if we could. DocKino ( talk) 02:55, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
In the section about his burial, what does this mean: "After zoning issues were addressed"? Can you either explain in the text or provide a link please? As it stands, I have no idea what it means. It might be because I'm from the UK: it might be clear to Americans but the phrase is not universally understood, which is not an ideal situation in an international encyclopaedia. Thanks. 86.140.128.91 ( talk) 14:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Hey folks - I see the infobox image on this article change alott and would like to help generate a lasting consensus as to what it should be. It seems customary (and of the most encyclopedic value) to depict a persons face as clearly as possible in the infobox because those are the features humans can most readily identify and using a full body shot may provide alott of information not useful in identifying the subject and by decreasing the resolution of facial features wider shots are less informative; I would suggest this [3] or this [4] image from the commons for that reason. I would suggest using the 1970 image because its copyright status is much clearer; the jailhouse rock images, while being public domain in the US are still copyright in nations that dont apply the shorter term rule - this includes Canada which is one of the larger countries that make use of the English speaking version of Wikipedia. Id be happy to hear everyones opinion. Solid State Survivor ( talk) 18:33, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
For many years, it was said that this Presley line descended from David Pressley, who was of Anglo-Irish origin; however, in recent years, this has come under increasing scrutiny and doubt. More evidence now seems to weight that Elvis is actually of German descent from Johannes Valentin Pressler / Preslar (1669-1742) and Anna Christina Frantse / Frantz (1674 - ) This family came to New York in 1709.
According to Donald W. Presley and Edward C. Dunn, both distant relatives of the King, a direct link can be made from Elvis back to a certain Johann Valentin Pressler, a German winegrower who emigrated to America in 1710. Pressler came from a village in southern Palatinate called Niederhochstadt. Niederhochstadt became Hochstadt sometime during the 250 years after Johann Pressler left it, but there are still many Presslers there, among them a winegrower like Johann Valentin. Johann Valentin first settled in New York and later moved his family to the South. The name was Anglicized during the Civil War by a Pressler serving in the Confederate Army, Presley and Dunn report in a forthcoming book on the Presley family.
It is interesting to note that if indeed he is descended from Johannes Valentin Pressler, then he would also be related to former President Jimmy Carter, as Johannes would be their common ancestor.
For some reason, every time I add information about the true heritage of Elvis presley, this is deleted. Is it not "politically correct" to proclaim Elvis GERMAN? Or are there other reasons? I'm willing to learn, please conclude! --Hyperboreer 20:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperboreer ( talk • contribs)
Anyone else think that auto achiving is killing threads? I think there could be useful additions made regarding Presley's voice and how he managed his own studio sessions, but I haven't had time to dig too deeply into possible sources - and now it's all been archived out of view. Rikstar 409 03:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
There is an interesting article about celebrity baby names, that discuss also the popularity of the name "Elvis" over the years. It is amazing to see how the milestones in Elvis life influenced the name popularity (in US) over the last 70 years.
http://www.my-practical-baby-guide.com/celebrity_baby_names.html
Enjoy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amitbronstein ( talk • contribs) 21:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I just want to suggest reducing the length of this article - I really don't see why it has to be so long and, quite frankly, rather daunting to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.3.145.66 ( talk) 11:15, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Where should I discuss Vernon Presley's prison sentence?
... talks about how Elvis and his mother often rode the Greyhound to see Vernon, who was thrown in prison for check forging. It also said young Elvis complained, stating that he missed his father WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
It sickens me that this Wikipedia-page pays attention to the rumour that Elvis was racist. It's a RUMOUR and not a fact, and Wikipedia is about facts. The rumour is nonsense and not important. IGG8998 —Preceding undated comment added 21:06, 12 September 2010 (UTC).
It's been discussed at length all before,as to why it is important to mention this in the main article on Elvis Presley. If you don't believe it should be included,then ask yourself this questions. Why is it then,that well respected Elvis Presley biographer Peter Guralnich deemed it necessary to write a whole article,about this very subject?-- Jaye9 ( talk) 00:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
And hard to kill
"So why didn't the remor die? Why did it continue to find common acceptance up to,and past,the point that Chuck D of Public Enemy would declare in 1990,"Elvis was a hero to most... Straight-up racist that sucker was,simple and plain.
Chuck D has long since respudiated that view for a more nuanced one,but the unassailable logic behind its common acceptance within the black community rests quite simply on the social inequities that have persisted to this day,the fact that we live in a society that is no more perfectly democratic today that it was 50 years ago". Source: part of article by Peter Guralnick featured in the New York Times
What does intrigue with this rumor that has attached itself to someone like Presley and not Jerry Lee Lewis for example,is somewhat of a mystery. Not taking anything away from Lewis at all,he is one of the greats. But wasn't there a famous quote made by Lewis back in the 50's,during a concert where he set his piano alight and had stated to Chuck Berry,"follow that nigger". Elvis never publicly said anything like that. Why is it then,that certain rappers,went after Presley and not Lewis. Interesting!-- Jaye9 ( talk) 07:26, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
There is some evidence that the "shoe shine" story may be true
It has been claimed that Elvis never said such things against black people. But are these claims true? Gilbert B. Rodman, Elvis after Elvis: The Posthumous Career of a Living Legend (1996) writes (p.36):
According to Dan Heilman
But Greil Marcus also says,
See Rodman, p. 37. However, there is indeed some evidence that Elvis actually said it. According to Alanna Nash, Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations from the Memphis Mafia (1995), p.257, there was a black waiter from Chattanooga who heard the words.
Even the boys from the Memphis Mafia
I also did some further research. Michael T. Bertrand, Race, Rock, and Elvis (University of Illinois Press, 2000) writes:
It was claimed that Presley had either made his racist comment in Boston or on Edward R. Murrow's Person to Person. (p.221) The author adds on p.222:
Although Bertrand also asserts that the racial aspersion was fabricated and appeared nothing more than "the natural result of [Presley's] success, coupled with his Mississippi birthplace" and further says that "the offending statement passed into fact," the author seems to be unaware of the witness Alanna Nash has cited. I think the paragraph must be rewritten because there is some evidence that the "shoe shine" story may be true, even if Elvis later denied it. Onefortyone ( talk) 00:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
PL290,what you stated above is so very true and you explained this so clearly, with so very few words,you have a gift. I on the other hand, tend to ramble on abit to get my point across,that's just me I'm afraid. So please,could you just bear with me,while I point out to and others about an interesring article I found about rumors and how they can stick to an entertainer and be quite distructive in there on way. This particular rumor I believe was the reason why Elvis couldn't go to Mexico for his Movie "Fun In Acupulco",because of death threats.
"May 1959: While Elvis Presley's popularity in the U.S. was arguabley at it's all time peak,Mexico was in the midst of a huge anti-Elvis backlash.
Tijuana tabliods called him a racist and homosexual,after the singer reportedly told gossip columnist Federrico de Leon "I'd rather kiss three black girls than a mexican".-(part)
"The book "Refried Elvis: The Rise of the Mexian Counterculture" (Berkeley: University of California Press,c1999)claims the original Elvis quote was fabricated. According to author Eric Zalov,"Herbe Pompeyo of Polygram Records in Mexico City claims that a high up Mexican political figure wanted to contract Presley for a private party,for which he sent the performer a blank check to fill in as he wanted. Presley,according to the story,returned the check,so the politico extremely offended,invented the storyline about Elvis not liking Mexian women."
My point I'm trying to make here,is what starts these rumors in the first place and if the above be any indication to this fact, then it clearing is an insight,that these rumors have nothing to do with the subject at hand.-- Jaye9 ( talk) 12:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
141,I truly believe that your distainment for this entertainer is causing you to be somewhat rigid in the way that you interpret information you read and thus put forward.
My reasons as to why I think it is important to include Racial issures into the Elvis article,is for the mere fact that this rumor,which was started back in the 50's,is still prevalent to this day. Maybe it is naive of me to suggest this,but while ever we have Racial isssues,it is my belief that this rumor will stay.
In saying that,there is still no evidence to suggest Elvis ever saying these tings,quite the opposite actually.
There is no denying that Elvis had a huge advantage over his fellow black artists,simply because he was white,the times and where he was from.
Saw a terrific DVD a little while back,where they were interviewing Little Richard and what he was saying,made more sence and was far more interesting then these tabliod rumors and hearsay. In the interview he mentioned,like Elvis,was signed up with RCA and had to have his parents sign the contract,due to his age. But the difference was RCA had another label called Camden. RCA label,being for the white artists and the Camden label for the black artists. After signing he soon discovered that he would only receive 1/2 cent for each record sold. This did not happen to the white artist on the RCA label. That's how it was set up at the time.
In typical Little Richard style,he went on to say,that Elvis loved and respected that style of music and he believed was greatly responsible for breaking down the Racial barriers that were prevelant at the time,with an added I love Elvis and I met Elvis etc etc. But the same was not said about Pat Boone's recording of his two songs. "I hate him for what he did and how he interpretated my songs,with no grunt." What he was saying,is that Pat Boone played it safe,Elvis did not and with that,he made an interesting point,when he said,that white kids had his record hidden away in their bedrooms and Pat Boone's record was on their dutches,clearly to be seen.
The point I'm making 141,is I've never been one to embellish rumors and hearsay. I have always preferred information that is interesting and I can learn from.
I tell you what,you find me any black artists or be that individual that (this is the important bit)that met him,believed him to be a racist. I tell you right now,you won't.-- Jaye9 ( talk) 02:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I would like to say one last thing about this rather complex subject if I may and then I'm going to drop it. Firstly,I re-read the Racial issues in the Presley main article,I don't quite undertand why some people would have a problem with how it's been written,or it's content. I don't know which editore were responsible in putting that piece together. All I can say it is Class A in my opinion.
However I would just like to finish off by saying one last thing though. In the article it mentions the Chuck D lyrics about Elvis in his 1989 song "Fight The Power". But it turns out his feelings for Presley are a little more complicated than the song suggest.
"As a mucialogist-and I consider myself one,there was always a great deal of respect for Elvis,especially during his Sun Session. As a black people,we all knew that". Source: Chuck D speaks on Elvis'Legagy ET 08.12.2002
The unfortunate thing about Chuck D's powerful lyrics is that he was probably working off of this "urban legend" himself (he's too great of a musicalogist to believe it today,being at a more muture age)and only served to confirm the legend for a young audience that simply didn't know better (nor paticularly cared to---the "myth" makes more sense).-- Jaye9 ( talk) 06:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Sammy Davis Jr. (have in mind Sammy boycotted racist people):""The only thing I want to know is, 'Was Elvis my friend?', 'Did I enjoy him as a performer?', 'Did he give the world of entertainment something?' - and the answer is YES on all accounts." James Brown:"I was not only fan, he was my Soul-brother." You see? Sammy Davis Jr. and James Brown, two black people, were among Elvis' friends. And here is a quote from Elvis himself: "No one can sing Rock 'n' Roll like coloured people. Let's face it. I can't sing like Fats Domino can. I know that." This quote shows that he respected blacks. He also said that Fats Domino was the real King Of Rock 'n' Roll. IGG8998 —Preceding undated comment added 18:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC).
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Category entry: American Baritones on the Elvis Presley page should be removed.
Replace with American Tenors or just removed.
Elvis Presley was a tenor that could sing a high B. I can give references if needed. Thanks.
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I was about ten years old living in Las Vegas, Nevada when I saw Elvis on the first Ed Sullivan show appearance. The next day at school everyone was talking about Elvis all the kids and even the teachers. We kids knew he was the symbol of something new under the sun A Natural youth undiluted and unspoiled. Elvis was our symbol of glorious wild freedom. He was sexy and uninhibited and we got the message. Then he got drafted and they cut his hair off. When we saw that we realized our Samson was defeated. We knew it in our bones. The Elvis after that was but a shadow of the champion he had been and his career after the army is the proof we were right. Let me see you verify that in your encyclopedia for it is the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.121.8.209 ( talk) 20:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
This has been discussed before - but most of the discussion seems to have been about relevance, not accuracy. Having looked at references on this, the only source for the claim that Presley's matrilineal great-great-grandmother, Nancy Burdine, was Jewish - was Oscar Tackitt, a third cousin of Elvis who is quoted in Elaine Dundy's book (cited in the article). It also appears that Oscar Tackitt is the only source for the existence of this Nancy Burdine in the first place, and that there is no genealogical evidence that she ever existed (much less that she was Jewish). The Tackett Family Association studies the Tackett/Tackitt genealogy and is run by Jim W. Tickett - on one of the Association's guestbook pages, Tackett states: "one researcher has given an unsubstantiated claim that Abner had a wife named NANCY [or Sarah] BURDINE - and this undocumented claim has made its way into the also otherwise erroneous lineages found in the LDS, Ancestry & Family Tree Maker files. Although we have evidence for two wives for Abner H. Tackitt, there is no evidence that such a person as NANCY J. BURDINE ever existed, and there is some doubt that MARTHA TACKETT was a blood dau. of ABNER H. TACKITT. " (Jim Tackitt also makes a similar statement here). So, it appears that this whole story has grown from one unverified claim into a whole internet phenomenon, juding by the number of Google hits. All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 06:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
The American Jewish Desk Reference (1999) by the American Jewish Historical Society is the first all-encompassing reference to Jewish life in the United States, from 1654 to the present. This authoritative reference of nearly 900 entries covers all aspects of America's lively and influential Jewish culture. It says on p. 128, "Shortly before he became the King of Rock and Roll, a teenaged Elvis Presley was the Shabbos goy for his upstairs neighbor, the local rabbi in the Jewish section of Memphis, Tennessee." Onefortyone ( talk) 23:36, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
So, was he circumcised or not?-- andreasegde ( talk) 23:53, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
They say not,and in saying that,does in no way prove that he was Jewish,more to do with the times.--
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Elvis was not a crooner. He was a rocker. When you talk about crooners, You talk about Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Bobby Darin etc. Not Elvis. IGG8998 —Preceding undated comment added 21:42, 18 November 2010 (UTC).
I don't agree with the structural change to the article. Suggest keeping just one section (1977—present) and adding a mention of the new album between the last two existing paras of that. PL290 ( talk) 11:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Someone needs to source that number in the lead (though it seems completely impossible, so it should probably be removed). 24.151.148.78 ( talk) 02:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
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Childhood in Tupelo
Elvis Presley was born on January 8, 1935, in Tupelo, Mississippi, toVernon Elvis and Gladys Love Presley. In the two-room shotgun housebuilt by his father in readiness for the birth, Jesse Garon Presley, his identical twin brother, was delivered 35 minutes before him, stillborn. Please change "identicial" (There is no way to know for sure if identical or fraternal twins. No documentation of one or two birth sacs.)
As an only child, Presley became close to both parents and formed an unusually tight bond with his mother. Please change - The family attended an Assembly of God church where he found his initial musical inspiration.[5] (He also had musical inspiration at home. His family was musical on both sides. His parents sang at home as many families of the time did for entertainment and his father had a good voice. His uncles made money performing for local dances)
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Aliciadean ( talk) 20:11, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
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Presley's ancestry was primarily a Western European mix—Scots-Irish, Please edit - (add German) with some French Norman; one of Gladys's great-great-grandmotherswas Cherokee. According to family accounts, one of Gladys's great- grandmothers was Jewish.
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Entering a new school, Milam, for sixth grade in September 1946, Presley was regarded as a loner. Thefollowing year, he began bringing his guitar in on a daily basis. He would play and sing during lunchtime, andwas often teased as a "trashy" kid who played hillbilly music. The family was by then living "in" - please change from "in" to "near" (near but not in--wasn't done in the those days.) a largely African American neighborhood.
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First recordings (1953–55) Sam Phillips and Sun Records
To find related topics in a list, see Elvis Presley's Sun recordings.
In August 1953, Presley walked into the offices of Sun Records. He aimed to pay for a few minutes of studiotime to record a two-sided acetate disc: "My Happiness" and "That's When Your Heartaches Begin". He wouldlater claim he intended the record as a gift for his mother, or was merely interested in what he "sounded like", though there was a much cheaper, amateur record-making service at a nearby general store. Biographer PeterGuralnick argues that he chose Sun in the hope of being discovered. Asked by receptionist Marion Keiskerwhat kind of singer he was, Presley responded, "I sing all kinds." When she pressed him on whom he soundedlike, he repeatedly answered, "I don't sound like nobody." After he recorded, Sun boss Sam Phillips askedKeisker to note down the young man's name, which she did along with her own commentary: "Good balladsinger. Hold."[38] Presley cut a second acetate in January 1954—"I'll Never Stand In Your Way" and "ItWouldn't Be the Same Without You"—but again nothing came of it.[39]
Not long after, he failed an audition for a local vocal quartet, the Songfellows. He explained to his father, "They told me I couldn't sing."[40] Songfellow Jim Hamill later claimed that he was turned down because hedid not demonstrate an ear for harmony at the time.[41] In April, Presley began working for the Crown Electric company as a --CHANGE--(add delivery truck driver--To help squelch the myth that Elvis drove an 18-wheeler.)
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Texas, and Texarkana, Arkansas.[59]
By early 1955, Presley's regular Hayride appearances, constant touring, and well-received record releases hadmade him a substantial regional star, from Tennessee to West Texas. In January, Neal signed a formalmanagement contract with Presley and brought the singer to the attention of Colonel Tom Parker, whom heconsidered the best promoter in the music business. Parker—Dutch-born, though he claimed to be from WestVirginia—had acquired an honorary colonel's commission from country singer turned Louisiana governorJimmie Davis. Having successfully managed top country star Eddy Arnold, he was now working with the newnumber one country singer, Hank Snow. Parker booked Presley on Snow's February tour.[60][61] When the tour reached Odessa, Texas, a 19-year-old Roy Orbison saw Presley for the first time: "His energy wasincredible, his instinct was just amazing. ... I just didn't know what to make of it. There was just no reference point in the culture to compare it."[26] Presley made his television debut on "March 3" on the KSLA-TV -- CHANGE --(The March 5 not 3 "Louisiana Hayride" was broadcast locally in Shreveport.) broadcast of Louisiana Hayride.
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At the Country Disc Jockey Convention in early November, Presley was voted the year's most promising maleartist.[69] Several record companies had by now shown interest in signing him. After three major labels madeoffers of up to $25,000, Parker and Phillips struck a deal with RCA Victor on November 21 to acquirePresley's Sun contract for an unprecedented $40,000.[70]b - Please CHANGE "$40,000 to -($35,000 for the contract and $5,000 "bonus" to pay Elvis back royalties owed by Sun. You explain this in the notes, but most students won't look that far and will use the $40,000 figure erroneously.) Presley, at 20, was still a minor, so his father signed the contract.
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Parker arranged with the owners of Hill and Range Publishing, Jean and Julian Aberbach, tocreate two entities, Elvis Presley Music and Gladys Music, to handle all of the new material recorded by Presley. Songwriters were obliged to forego one third of their customary royalties in exchange for having himperform their compositions.[72]c By December, RCA had begun to heavily promote its new singer, and beforemonth's end had reissued many of his Sun recordings.[73] Please change "reissued many of his Sun recordings" to "Re-released all five of his Sun singles."
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On January 10, 1956, Presley made his first recordings for RCA inNashville.[76] Extending the singer's by now customary backup ofMoore, Black, and Fontana, RCA enlisted pianist Floyd Cramer,
guitarist Chet Atkins, and three background singers, including GordonStoker of the popular Jordanaires quartet, to fill out the sound.[77] The session produced the moody, unusual "Heartbreak Hotel", released as asingle on January 27.[76] Parker finally brought Presley to nationaltelevision, booking him on CBS's Stage Show for six appearances overtwo months. The program, produced in New York, was hosted on
alternate weeks by big band leaders and brothers Tommy and JimmyDorsey. After his first appearance, on January 28, Presley stayed intown to record at RCA's New York studio. The sessions yielded eightsongs, including a cover of Carl Perkins' rockabilly anthem "BlueSuede Shoes". In February, Presley's "I Forgot to Remember toForget", a Sun recording initially released the previous August, reachedthe top of the Billboard country chart.[78] Neal's contract was terminated and, on March 2, PLEASE CHANGE "March 2" to "March 26" (Parker formally became his exclusive manager on March 26.) Parker became Presley's manager.[79]
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Presley made the first of two appearances on NBC's Milton Berle Show on April 3. His performance, on the deck of the USS Hancock in San Diego, prompted cheers and screams from an audience of sailors and their dates.[82] A few days later, a flight taking Presley and his band to Nashville for a recording session left allthree badly shaken when an engine died and the plane almost went down over Arkansas.[83] Twelve weeks after its original release, "Heartbreak Hotel" became Presley's first number one pop hit. In late April, Presleybegan a two-week residency at the New Frontier Hotel and Casino on the Las Vegas Strip. The shows werepoorly received by the conservative, middle-aged hotel guests—"like a jug of corn liquor at a champagneparty", wrote a critic for Newsweek.[84] Amid his Vegas tenure, Presley, who had serious acting ambitions, signed a seven-year PLEASE CHANGE "seven-year contract" to "seven picture contract--actually one picture with options for six more" contract with Paramount Pictures.[5] He began a tour of the Midwest in mid-May, taking in 15 cities in as many days.
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Allen's show with Presley had, for the first time, beaten CBS's The Ed Sullivan Show in the ratings. Sullivan, despite his June pronouncement, booked the singer for three appearances for an unprecedented $50,000.[101] The first, on September 9, 1956, was seen by approximately 60 million viewers—a record 82.6 percent of thetelevision audience.[102] Actor Charles Laughton hosted the show, filling in while Sullivan recuperated from a car accident.[93] Presley appeared in two segments that night from CBS Television City in Hollywood. According to Elvis legend, Presley was shot only from the waist up. Watching clips of the Allen and Berle shows with his producer, Sullivan had opined that Presley "got some kind of device hanging down below thecrotch of his pants–so when he moves his legs back and forth you can see the outline of his cock. ... I think it'sa Coke bottle. ... We just can't have this on a Sunday night. This is a family show!"[103] Change quote. (If you feel it necessary to quote this, can you at least note that it wasn't true.)
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Hi Aliciadean,
I've closed your above edit requests because, as you've noticed, your account has become autoconfirmed and you are now able to edit this article directly. Please edit as you see fit, but be aware that whenever you change cited content, you should also update the citation to match. You might consider providing the exact urls you've used for some of your recent changes on this page if you're not sure how to do that yourself (this article uses an more complex citation system than most).
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Someone needs to add info on the Tupelo-Gainesville Outbreak, as Elvis' hometown was devastated by the main tornado, known as the Tupelo-Gainesville Tornado.
This info is already on the page for the tornado. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.61.39.92 ( talk) 20:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
He had German ancestors from the Palatinate: http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/biography/elvis_presley_family_history.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.9.190.53 ( talk) 16:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
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This article has Elvis Presleys' middle name spelled wrong. his middle name is Aron with 1 "a" not two. The traditional spelling is with 2 "a"s but, if you do your homework you will find elvis' is with 1 "a".
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[5] indicates this is an ongoing issue. Current discussions about labelling people according to ancestry or religion have generally resulted in an understanding that reliable sources stating facts are required as a minimum, and that self-idenitification would also be a valid way to label a person as to ancestry or religion. At this point, the sourcing used does not meet the standards now being used. [6] shows the requirement for reliable sourcing for such claims goes back to 2006 at least. [7] regarding labelling sans strong sourcing, [8] (recent BLP discussion which does not apply directly to a BDP), ad nauseam. In short - to make any claim about "possible Jewish ancestry" without an exceedingly good source is contrary to the new BLP standards (which I admit is not BDP, but is a sensible standard). Find a good source, and that is great. Without a good source, the claim fails. Collect ( talk) 11:36, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
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Elvis Presley's middle name was Aron, not Aaron. The second a should be deleted.
159.33.10.92 ( talk) 17:19, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I added this relevant biographical info, which is standard when known. It has been removed on the basis of it being irrelevant. Without it, there is very little in the article about his father, who existed for all of Presley's life. Without the lifespans, the reader wouldn't have a clue when the father died. The reader would think: "What happened to his father? Did he die before or after Presley? Is he still alive, in his nineties? Jim Michael ( talk) 03:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
How many of the 1970s-era tours did Presley charter Big Bunny, the Playboy jet which was all black except for a white Playboy logo on the tail? Touring sound engineer Bruce Jackson talked in awe about the luxury of this method of travel, and Jerry Schilling in his Elvis book says the Big Bunny charter was mid-1973. Were there any other Elvis charters of the Playboy plane? Binksternet ( talk) 00:52, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
DocKino took out a bit of technical discussion regarding 1960 recording dates, with the edit summary "technical discussion was not really informative, and we don't have the room here to expand on it". "Not informative" can be remedied with expansion, but if this article has no room left for improvement, why is it not fully protected?
There is some good information about Elvis's recording and touring career in the sources used for the articles about Bruce Jackson and Bill Porter. Is it time for an article split, with technical details allowed expansion? Binksternet ( talk) 09:38, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I propose that we link to this audio documentary in the external links section:
On pages such as Perry Como and Frank Sinatra there is a "Listen" subsection in the external links, so perhaps we should add that as well.
Note: The Pop Chronicles has an Elvis interview from the 1950s, [9] but for the 1960s, they had David Lander ( Squiggy) "dramatically reproduce" some more recent quotations. DougHill ( talk) 20:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
I think the article should mention her more than once, and should say that she also had a music career. I think thats common for articles here. (this is also missing for Arlo guthrie in the woody guthrie artile. maybe its just such common knowledge people forgot to include it).(mercurywodrose) 76.245.46.57 ( talk) 02:22, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
{{ edit semi-protected}} Presley's ancestry was primarily a Western European mix—Scots-Irish, with some French Norman, and a German paternal ancestor from the German Palatines group. Ref: Tim McGraw on NBC. Who do you think you are? Tim McGraw researches his father's ancestry and discovers a link to descendants who were among the U.S.'s first settlers and a connection to George Washington and discovers that his paternal great great... grandfather came on the same ship at the same time to the States as Elvis Presley's great great... grandfather from Germany.
UteSonja ( talk) 18:59, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
According to a conference paper presented at the University of Wisconsin-Madison (April 2009, published 2010), "the best evidence has it that the name is derived from one Johann Valentine Pressler, a winegrower from the Palatinate village of Niederhochstadt who came to New York in 1710." See [10] This is certainly a reliable source, isn't it? Onefortyone ( talk) 21:57, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
In the section on Racial Issues I think it is worth adding the source of the quote "The only thing Negroes can do for me is buy my records and shine my shoes." which, according to Micheal T. Bertrand in his book Race, Rock & Elvis in Sepia Magazine, which was in turn quoting an interview with an anonymous interviewee/"person on the street". The section of the book mentioning this is quoted here on snopes: http://snopes.com/music/artists/presley1.asp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfaironpirate ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
The article was promoted to FA status on February 23, 2010. At that time there were twelve--count them, twelve--instances of the phrase "African American" used as an adjective. Every single one of those instances was unhyphenated, as they have remained until the recent, baseless, and increasingly disruptive efforts to alter this well-established, entirely proper, and up-to-date style.
As I previously suggested in an edit summary, I encourage everyone to check the prevailing style in current, high-quality sources. Simply do a Google Books search on the string "African American" or the string "African-American". On the search results page, click on "21st century" in the left-hand column, and just look at the results.
The answer is clear: there is no compelling reason to alter the existing style, and efforts to do so are in violation of both the spirit and letter of our Manual of Style, on the grounds of internal consistency, stability of articles, and follow the sources. DocKino ( talk) 20:31, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Is "African American music" (no hyphen) the prevailing style in our highest-quality English sources? In my experience there is no prevailing style: both the hyphenated and non- versions are used in the best English sources. Here are some that use the hyphen:
(I threw a few magazine and web sources in there for popular perspective.)
Some books use both constructions:
I did not show the sources which do not use the hyphen: there are certainly many high quality ones. All I intended to do with this list is to puncture the premise that there is a prevailing English style for no hyphen between African and American. There is not. Binksternet ( talk) 17:22, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
If this article did not have a stable or consistent style, a reasonable case could be made for either "African American" or "African-American." But it obviously DOES have a stable and consistent style, which is "African American," and as DocKino has said, it violates both the letter and the spirit of the MOS to change it. It is especially annoying to see Joefromrandb, ignoring the sense of this discussion, change one instance according to his whim, thereby subverting both the stability and the consistency of the article. Time to drop this and move on to something more productive.— DCGeist ( talk) 18:15, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
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His great great grandmother was Jewish, according to Jewish law it is passed down maternally in Orthodox Judaism therefore it should be stated.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 16:53, 25 April 2011 (UTC) Elvis was aware of this.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 16:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
It has been well documented that he had Jewish ancestry.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 21:42, 25 April 2011 (UTC) http://www.abebooks.com/Schmelvis-Search-Elvis-Presleys-Jewish-Roots/1487897785/bd-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 21:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC) Therefore I should be able to add it, that is a reliable source and a scholared source.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 21:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Schmelvis-Search-Elvis-Presleys-Jewish/dp/155022462X-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 21:57, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
His great-great grandmother was Jewish it is passed down maternally, then his grandmother would have been Jewish, then his mother, then Elvis himself, Elvis was well aware of his Jewish heritage. Elvis was well aware of his Jewish ancestry, as a child was instructed not to advertise the fact because "people didn't like Jews" according to his parents. Yet, Elvis, who lived in an apartment below a Jewish rabbi, would often visit. The widow of the rabbi talks about Elvis. She recalls how, Elvis would visit their house on Saturday in order to turn on lights and do things they weren't allowed to do. Elvis carried a yarmulke in his pocket. He was fascinated by Jewish music. As an adult, she remembers how Elvis donated to several Jewish organizations. Lots and lots of pictures him wearing the Star of David. -- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 10:34, 26 April 2011 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_depictions_of_Elvis_Presley Although he did not practice the religion, Elvis was halachically Jewish, because of his mother's Jewish heritage (her mother had been Jewish, as had her grandmother, her great-grandmother, etc.). He was known to wear both a cross and a Star of David around his neck, explaining that he "wouldn't want to be kept out of Heaven on a technicality."-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 10:36, 26 April 2011 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_entertainers#Music Elvis Presley's great-great-grandmother was Jewish. Elvis personally had a Star of David carved into his mother's grave. He also learned the Hebrew alphabet, donated to Jewish charities, had a Rabbi as his spiritual teacher, and he routinely wore a Chai necklace (meaning “Life/Living” in Hebrew) in order to celebrate his Jewish heritage. Elvis was Jewish by law and did have a great-great grandmother who was Jewish and it was maternally down the line, he was Jewish and was well aware of it, it should be re-added it is part of Elvis and has been proven and on other wikipedia pages is also mentioned. Many people have discussed this I have even seen it up before but somebody keeps removing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeordieWikiEditor ( talk • contribs) 10:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm not on about his religious side I know he was Christian but a Jew is a Jew and it is a race and a religion, you can be Jewish without practicing any religion or another religion besides Judaism so your argument is flawed. Obama being Irish... no it is well sourced and many upon many people know of this, why is he in other wikipedia pages about him being Jewish then don't avoid it. Is sourced.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 17:19, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
You are wrong. Jewish is both a race and a religion, the word Jew derives from Judea not Judaism, Judaism is the way of life for Jews but plenty of Jews practice other religions but still are Jewish look at Karl Marx for example, you can't stop being Jewish, you can be born Jewish so you will forever be Jewish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F Also you just admitted he had Jewish heritage which he did have, why is he under Jewish Americans the culture as Jewish? BECAUSE HE WAS JEWISH.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 22:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Some sourcesAccording to Jewish law, user GeordieWikiEditor seems to be right. Here are some reliable sources:
It should further be noted that the American Jewish Desk Reference (1999) by the American Jewish Historical Society is the first all-encompassing reference to Jewish life in the United States, from 1654 to the present. This authoritative reference of nearly 900 entries covers all aspects of America's lively and influential Jewish culture. It says on p. 128, "Shortly before he became the King of Rock and Roll, a teenaged Elvis Presley was the Shabbos goy for his upstairs neighbor, the local rabbi in the Jewish section of Memphis, Tennessee." This strongly suggests that Elvis himself was well aware of his Jewish heritage. Onefortyone ( talk) 23:52, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Let's start again at the beginning: "His great great grandmother was Jewish, according to Jewish law it is passed down maternally in Orthodox Judaism therefore it should be stated". Wrong. Just wrong. Wikipedia isn't governed by Jewish law. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 01:18, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
The definition of who is a Jew varies according to whether it is being considered by Jews based on normative religious statutes, self-identification, or by non-Jews for other reasons. Jewish identity can include characteristics of an ethnicity, a religion, and citizenship. If one of the parents is not Jewish, the rule is that the child takes the status of the mother. Indeed, Orthodox and Conservative communities do not recognize the Jewishness of a person if only the father is Jewish. Accordingly, if the mother is Jewish, so is her child. Reform rabbis in North America have set standards by which a person with one Jewish parent is considered a Jew if there have been "appropriate and timely public and formal acts of identification with the Jewish faith and people," such as a Jewish naming ceremony (remember that Elvis's parents named their son Elvis Aaron Presley). However, Orthodox Judaism considers a person born of a Jewish mother to be Jewish, even if they convert to another religion. According to the sources I have given above, it seems as if Gladys was well aware of her Jewish heritage. To my mind, it may be mentioned in the article. Onefortyone ( talk) 02:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Why are you calling people trolls for putting point across? Also being Jewish is both a race and a religion, think back to all the expelling of Jews in different countries and the extermination of Jews in Nazi regime if it was solidly just a religion how would anybody know who is and who isn't a Jew? Because IT IS an ethnicity and can be argued a "race" depending on what you describe as a "Jew", you stated you have Irish heritage in you, then yes you are Irish-American you can't doubt that, unless you are Cherokee or whatever other tribes are Native Americans you ain't really American. Back to Elvis, it has been well documented and that is sources how can you deny it? Why do you not like the fact Elvis was a Jew? Also why do you keep AVOIDING my argument, why is he on other wikipedia pages stating he is Jewish? 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_depictions_of_Elvis_Presley 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_entertainers That totally contradicts you, so why ain't he removed of either of them? Plenty upon plenty of sources state Elvis was Jewish and being Jewish is maternally passed down the line, his mother WAS Jewish therefore Elvis himself WAS Jewish and he was well aware of this, are you upset that he was Jewish or something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeordieWikiEditor ( talk • contribs) 10:19, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
It is not Nazi propaganda it is true that Jews are both a race and a religion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48937817.html http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html Many upon many things back it up, and no it doesn't matter what Elvis considered himself religious wise ethnically he was Jewish, a Jew is a Jew. Wow well done you can remove them but it doesn't answer why was it even there in the first place? Why is they many sources stating he was Jewish? Please define a source in your opinion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeordieWikiEditor ( talk • contribs) 14:08, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Jew weighing in here, brought in by Baseball Bugs... Judaism is not a "race", it can be considered an ethnicity. My race is Caucasian. As far as what to make of Elvis' Jewish ancestry, which I was not aware of until Bugs brought it up to me, I'm not sure how much to make of it. To me, religion is mostly about how you identify, not this silly rule about which parent passes it down. IIRC, Catholicism (or is it Christianity as a whole?) passes it down through the paternal line, so a kid with a Jewish mother and Christian (or Catholic) father is kinda stuck there in terms of which wins out, by that argument. – Muboshgu ( talk) 19:13, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
They's a difference being a religious Jew and being a racial Jew. Anybody can be a Jew if converted to Judaism but you can also be of Jewish heritage, Jew derives from Judea not Judaism. It doesn't matter if Elvis considered himself Jewish or not he was well aware of his Jewish ancestry. Do you think he considered himself German or Scottish even though he had that in his heritage? No he just considered himself American, do you think Karl Marx considered himself Jewish? No he was a self-hating Jew, once a Jew always a Jew this is a fact. They is reliable sources further up stating and proving that Elvis was Jewish, his middle name is also kind of making it even more obvious.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 19:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Your only source, DocKino, seems to be Nate Bloom. Has this Jewish columnist written a book on Elvis? No, he hasn’t. He has only given his personal opinion on a website that helps and provides resources for couples with one Jewish partner and one non-Jewish partner. Is this really a reliable source according to Wikipedia standards? I don't think so. Be that as it may, on this webpage dealing with "The Jews Who Wrote Christmas Songs" (see [12]) we can read:
So much for this rather weak personal opinion. Bloom's only argument is his claim that a detailed check of available records (which records?) shows that Elvis's maternal ancestor was not Jewish and that he spoke to the daughter of the rabbi who allegedly said that her mother told her that Gladys never said a word about any Jewish ancestor. Interestingly, Bloom didn't know the rabbi's family name, and he didn't even know the other source which explicitly states that Gladys told Elvis that her maternal grandmother, Martha Tackett Mansell, was Jewish. Furthermore, the friendship with the rabbi and his family and Elvis's major donation to the rabbi's religious school strongly suggest that there might have been some deeper Jewish connections. Onefortyone ( talk) 22:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC) Why did he wear the Star of David? Why is books out in the big wide world telling everyone he was Jewish? How can I give you the quotes in pages from a book I don't own?-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 22:11, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
You guys need another reliable source? Here is Glen Jeansonne, David Luhrssen, Dan Sokolovic, Elvis Presley, Reluctant Rebel: His Life and Our Times (2011), p.31:
For one of several of Elvis's Star of David watches, see [14]. Onefortyone ( talk) 22:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
It did indeed have a a Star of David on the grave, he was aware of his Jewish heritage, what is the problem? Also how can I quote something from a book (i.e a page from a book) when I don't own it?-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 00:31, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Also clearly it isn't a coincidence that he was on 2 other Wikipedia sites stating he was Jewish?-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 00:31, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't matter if he considered himself Jewish he knew he had Jewish ancestry these pictures and family records do not lie it is even on the elvispresley website itself. About his other ethnicties Scottish/German when you read the references... it is a book? Please tell me how that is a reliable source. David Cameron is Jewish but doesn't define himself as Jewish, difference? NONE.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 09:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Brad Hirschfield,Author,radio and TV talk show host,and President of CLAL - The National Jewish Centres for Learning and Leadership. Listed as one of the nations 50 most influential rabbis in Newsweek,had this to say back in January 8,2010. "Elvis Presley would have turned 75 today,and people are still asking if he was Jewish. Well perhaps he was,at least according to Jewish law,if not in his own mind. According to some Elvis historians,his mother's maternal grandmother was Jewish - a woman named Nancy (others say, Martha) Tachett. Of course,Elvis never thought of himself as Jewish. At least there is no evidence that he did. From the standpoint of halakka (Jewish law),the answer is by all means. In fact according to the Talmud,one remains Jewish even if they choose to convert to another tradition. Jewishness is a forever kind of thing. Of course the implications of that law are potentially two - fold: on the one hand,nothing a person does can dissolve there connection to the Jewish people. Once you are in,you are in forever. On the other hand, it suggest that Jewishness can operate independently of any idiology or pratice,in which case one might be considered a member of the Jewish people even if they don't meet the test according to how some Jews interpret Jewish law. Elvis' Jewishness,like his music,reprisents a fluid blending of cultures and communities. I can't help but wonder how good it might be for Jews and Judaism if we were as good at applying that process to faith and community as Elvis was to music..." In clossing I would also like to mention also something Elvis himself mentions with humor,when asked why he wore a cross,the Hebrew letter chai,and a star of David around his neck. "I don't want to miss out on heaven due to a technicality," he said.-- Jaye9 ( talk) 11:15, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Exactly, these people who are saying you need a reliable source to prove he was a Jew well why would they be plenty of books and historians who have stated his mothers grandmother was Jewish? Elvis didn't consider himself a Jew by religion he was a devoted Christian but this about his ethnic Jewish ancestry, even Jews admit Jews are both a ethnicity/race and a religion yet people further up state it's only a religion so really their don't even know what a "Jew" is themselves, it does not matter if Elvis thought of himself religiously as Jewish (following Judaism) once a Jew always a Jew lots of Jews practice other religions or no religion but still remain Jewish. You say you have not even bothered to quote us on the Schmelvis book on which page(s) but if I've not got the book how can I? A whole website " http://www.elvispresleynews.com/JewishElvis.html" which even before Jewish is elvispresleynews states his Jewishness, so many people who look up to Elvis know he had Jewish ancestry and so did he himself, the pictures here - http://www.debbieschlussel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/elvischai21.jpg You go on about books not being reliable sources, his "Scottish and German" ancestry are book referenced, please tell me how this is any different? Remember this is not about personal opinions this is about facts.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 11:56, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Quote "According to Elvis' third cousin Oscar Tackett (who shared the same ancestors, Abner and Nancy), Nancy was Jewish" Another, http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/biography/elvis_presley_family_history.shtml Quote "White Mansell married Martha Tackett, a neighbour in Saltillo. Of note is the religion, Jewish, of Martha's mother, Nancy Tackett. It was unusual to find a Jewish settler in Mississippi during this time." Family tree - http://www.elvispresleynews.com/images/ElvisFamilyTree.jpg-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 12:01, 28 April 2011 (UTC) More again - http://www.urigeller.com/Elvis/07/Elvis07.htm Quote "Elvis Presley had confided to his close friend and spiritual advisor, Larry Geller, that he was Jewish. His great grandmother Martha Tackett was Jewish and Jewish law follows the mother's geneaology which makes Elvis Jewish. His mother Gladys did not disclose the fact to Vernon Presley as the South was very anti-semitic in those days. However, she wanted Elvis to go to a school that had mainly Jewish children, wanting him to mix with Jews and hopefully get a better education as she knew Jews were very concerned about education for their children. Many of Elvis' school friends were Jewish and remained friends when he became famous, such as George Klein, Marty Lacker and Alan Fortas. Elvis put a 'Star of David' on his mother's grave. When Elvis and Glady's bodies were removed from their original place of burial at Forest Hills Cemeteries in Memphis to Graceland Vernon removed the Star of David from Glady's grave. It was believed Elvis' body would be kidnapped from his original resting place so he and his mother's graves were moved secretly one night. Could it have been a commercial decision so they could charge fans to visit Graceland and view Elvis' grave I wonder? Elvis often wore a "Chai" on his neck, the Jewish symbol for "Life" and when asked why he wore a Chai and a Cross he answered, "I do not want to miss getting into heaven on a technicality". Elaine Dundy uncovered Elvis' Jewish lineage in her research for her book, "Elvis and Gladys". Elvis owned several watches with the Star of David as well as items of jewellery."-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 12:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Can somebody tell me why I'm getting a message saying "last change" final warning? I've NOT edited the Wikipedia page of Elvis since being warned, I am simply discussing and putting my point across on here not on the main page.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 14:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
How can I tell you which page in a book it says he was Jewish when I do not own the book? You are still ignoring me, the Scottish and German origin is book referenced, tell me how the book is a "reliable source"-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 11:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
How has he done research into it? I see no sources disproving that he wasn't Jewish? Secondly, I provided a link to a book which states he was Jewish and furthermore he himself knew he had Jewish ancestry and why do you think his middle name is Aaron? It kind of makes sense.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 17:25, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Why would a website dedicated to Elvis make it up? http://www.elvispresleynews.com/JewishElvis.html Why would so many books say he was Jewish not just speculated but discovered it and was just told not to mention it?-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 21:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC) |
Elvis's personal development must have been governed by some form of Jewish tradition, and this certainly would have considerable relevance for the singer's biography. Let’s stick close to the reliable sources, i.e. the material that has been published in books on Elvis:
As ElvisFan1981 has pointed out, there are images of Elvis wearing the Star of David on stage. Gladys's original grave did indeed have a Star of David, and the grave was designed by Elvis himself with knowledge of his mother's Jewish roots in mind. Furthermore, there are several Star of David watches which Elvis designed with Marty Lacker and had manufactured by Harry Levitch Jewelers of Memphis. For one of these watches, see [15]. All this suggests that Elvis was deeply influenced by some form of Jewish tradition. The only person explicitly claiming that Presley was not Jewish is Jewish columnist Nate Bloom on a webpage entitled "The Jews Who Wrote Christmas Songs". See [16]. Bloom's only argument is his claim that a detailed check of available records (which records?) shows that Elvis's maternal ancestor was not Jewish and that he spoke to the daughter of the rabbi who allegedly said that her mother told her that Gladys never said a word about any Jewish ancestor. Interestingly, Bloom doesn't know the family name of the said rabbi, and he doesn't even know Larry Geller’s statement that Gladys told Elvis that her maternal grandmother, Martha Tackett Mansell, was Jewish. This means that Bloom's remarks are poorly sourced. To conclude: Bloom’s personal opinion published on an obscure webpage isn’t a reliable source according to Wikipedia standards, whereas the other books cited above are reliable sources. Onefortyone ( talk) 02:12, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Here is another reliable source:
See Lisa Alcalay Klug, Cool Jew: The Ultimate Guide for Every Member of the Tribe (2008), p.14. This is not original research. Onefortyone ( talk) 03:28, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I think a few people have a problem with the fact that Elvis had Jewish ancestry and he was well aware of it that is not original search it is confirmed documented sources that are in books and all sorts. It doesn't matter if he practiced Christianity he was still Jewish and you need to accept that, it is well worth pursuing this because it is a must it is what made Elvis who he was and by adding it into the article provides another part of his ancestry.
All of them sources a person provided earlier on would be counted as reliable sources - check the Scottish and German origins of Elvis the references are books, why is this any different? It is not and I honestly don't know why I was final warned when my edit was clearly backed up and even more now someone has even found more reliable sources. It does not matter YOUR opinion of who is a Jew and who is not, we go by Judaism and the ethnic side of things and by both definitions he would have been considered a Jew/Jewish.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 22:21, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Andy are you just acting ignorant here?
"Elvis' confusion and secrecy about Judaism came from his upbringing. When he was quite young Gladys told him that her maternal grandmother, Martha Tackett Mansell, was Jewish." See Larry Geller, If I Can Dream: Elvis' Own Story (1989), p. 69-70.
Martha "was the daughter of Abner and Nancy J. Burdine Tackett and ... Nancy is of particular interest to us. According to Elvis' third cousin Oscar Tackett (who shared the same ancestors, Abner and Nancy), Nancy was Jewish. ... Again, names often tell a story and two of Martha's brothers were given Jewish names, Sidney and Jerome." See Elaine Dundy, Elvis and Gladys (2004), p.21.
"Geller claims in his book [If I Can Dream: Elvis' Own Story] that Gladys told Elvis she had Jewish ancestors, starting with her maternal grandmother, Martha Tackett Mansell. Which is pretty close to what Elaine Dundy says in her book." See Alanna Nash, Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations from the Memphis Mafia (1995), p.2-3.
"Elvis's identification with the Jews continued once he became a star. When the Jewish Community Center was built in Memphis during the 1960s, he donated money for its construction. He had a Star of David engraved onto Gladys's tombstone, and often wore a Chai, the Jewish symbol for life, on a necklace." See Glen Jeansonne, David Luhrssen, Dan Sokolovic, Elvis Presley, Reluctant Rebel: His Life and Our Times (2011), p.31.
Is perfectly reliable sources and enough evidence to face the fact he was
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What about this version:
This version explicitly says that Elvis did not practice the Jewish religion, but it mentions his identification with the Jews. I think this information should not be omitted. Onefortyone ( talk) 00:34, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
What about this version:
All this is well sourced and not an example of WP:SYN. Wikipedia cites what the sources say, the reader is well informed about the topic. Onefortyone ( talk) 00:52, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
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The page is missing dates, and, in many cases, dates do not have the years. For example, the first Milton Berle appearance is listed as "April 3". It should also have the year, 1956. The July 17 date of his first appearance, at the Bon Air club, should include the year, 1954, as well.
Systemloc ( talk) 14:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. FRE YWA 08:48, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
some people say elvis had an unusual scent but his wife disagreed. elvis liked lima beans he rode horses in his free time he ate bananas every tuesday elvis was a horrible student he had a hairy wrist he didnt like facial hair he he liked walnuts he twitched he didnt know how to ride a bike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.6.3 ( talk) 05:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I lost my father in March this year and I miss him terribly. I read your comments tonight and I think to myself, your what my Uncle would call as being a non event dear!-- Jaye9 ( talk) 14:00, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
the courts had judged that there was merit to the claim that Deborah Presley Brando was the illegitimate daughter of Elvis. http://preslaw.blogspot.com/2009/11/another-temp-post.html 99.51.144.55 ( talk) 20:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC) http://elvisdecoded.blogspot.com/2007/06/wanted-elvis-and-my-mothers-marriage.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.144.55 ( talk) 20:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
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Court of Appeals of Tennessee, Western Section, at Jackson. Deborah Delaine PRESLEY, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. Joseph A. HANKS, Priscilla B. Presley and National Bank of Commerce, co-executors of the Estate of Elvis A. Presley, Deceased, Defendants-Appellees. 782 S.W.2d 482 July 20, 1989. Application for Permission to Appeal Denied by Supreme Court Nov. 6, 1989. CRAWFORD, Judge. This is a will construction case. On February 18, 1988, appellant, Deborah Delaine Presley, acting pro se, filed a petition in the probate court entitled "Petition To Determine Heirship And For Share Of Estate Under Will Heretofore Admitted To Probate." In essence, the petition alleges that petitioner is the illegitimate daughter of the testator, Elvis A. Presley, and pursuant to the terms and provisions of his Last Will and Testament, she, as his daughter, is entitled to a share of the estate. The Answer of the co-executors, Joseph A. Hanks, Priscilla B. Presley and National Bank of Commerce, filed September 23, 1988, denies the material allegations of the complaint and joins issue thereon. The Answer specifically avers that the decedent's will expressly excludes petitioner as a beneficiary. On the same date, the co-executors also filed a motion for summary judgment asserting that the express language of Elvis Presley's will manifests his intent "that only those children born in lawful wedlock to Mr. Presley are entitled to inherit from and through him, and that Lisa Marie Presley" is the only such child. The motion for summary judgment was supported by the affidavit of Priscilla B. Presley and D. Beecher Smith, II. The Presley affidavit asserts that Elvis Presley was married only once in his lifetime and that was to the affiant. The affidavit further states that the daughter of the affiant and Elvis Presley, Lisa Marie Presley, is the only child born to Elvis Presley during a lawful marriage. Smith's affidavit states that pursuant to Elvis Presley's instructions, he prepared the Last Will and Testament in question. Affiant further states that Mr. Presley had previously successfully defended a paternity suit in California and was cognizant of the need to specify in his will those he wanted to take thereunder. Appellant's affidavit, filed November 7, 1988 in response to the motion for summary judgment and supporting affidavits, states that she received a late notice of the filing of the summary judgment motion, and then on November 3, 1988, received a letter from the estate's attorney notifying her of the time for a hearing on the motion for summary judgment. She further avers in her affidavit that she has been unsuccessful in obtaining an attorney to represent her, and that she needs additional time before the hearing on the motion for summary judgment in order to obtain an attorney. Appellant also filed affidavits from her mother, Barbara Jean Young, and from Gene Smith, purportedly Elvis Presley's first cousin. These affidavits, in general, establish the relationship between appellant's mother and Elvis Presley in support of appellant's claim that Mr. Presley was her father. The memorandum opinion of the probate judge filed November 29, 1988 recites that it is premised on "the sworn petition of Deborah Delaine Presley; Estate's Motion for Summary Judgment, Answer and Memorandum in Support thereof; argument of Counsel for the Estate and argument of Petitioner, who was not represented by Counsel; and the entire record in this Cause." Basically, the probate judge found that appellant failed to establish that she was the daughter of Elvis Presley, and further construed the Presley will to exclude illegitimate children as beneficiaries. The memorandum opinion was incorporated in the order entered November 29, 1988, which granted summary judgment and dismissed appellant's petition. On December 29, 1988, appellant, through counsel, filed a "Motion to Reconsider Order Granting Summary Judgment." A hearing was held on this motion December 30, 1988, and an order was entered the same date denying the motion, resulting in this appeal. Appellant presents six issues for review which we will now consider. Issues I, II and III will be considered together. These issues, as set forth by appellant in her brief, are as follows: I. Whether the court erred in failing to set aside the summary judgment granted to the estate against the petitioner, Deborah Delaine Presley, in order to allow the petitioner to have legal counsel represent her? II. Whether the court's memorandum opinion and order granting summary judgment to the estate was overly broad and encompassed issues not presented to the court by the estate's motion for summary judgment? III. Whether the court's finding that it was legally impossible for appellant to claim any interest in the testator's estate due to the fact that appellant could not be legitimated was clearly erroneous? Appellant asserts that the probate judge should have continued the hearing on the motion for summary judgment to allow her to obtain counsel. The record does not reflect when the hearing on the motion was held, but the record does reflect that appellant filed her petition on February 18, 1988, the motion for summary judgment was filed September 23, 1988, and the order granting summary judgment was entered November 29, 1988. There is no absolute right to counsel in a civil trial. Barish v. Metropolitan Gov't., 627 S.W.2d 953 (Tenn.App.1981). The trial court has broad discretion in the grant or denial of a continuance and the trial judge's decision will not be set aside unless there is a clear showing of abuse. Barish, supra. From the record before us, we can find no such clear showing of abuse. However, as a practical matter, it appears that appellant's real complaint regarding these issues is the scope of the probate judge's findings in his memorandum opinion. Appellant's counsel argued in the motion to reconsider, and argues in this court that the probate judge's finding that appellant is not the daughter of Elvis Presley was not an issue to be decided on the motion for summary judgment. We agree with appellant's counsel. The motion for summary judgment, as well as the memorandum in support of the motion for summary judgment, explicitly established that the only question presented by the motion for summary judgment "is whether Elvis Presley's Will makes provision for inheritance by an individual who contends she is the illegitimate daughter of Mr. Presley." Furthermore, the affidavits supporting the motion for summary judgment did not in any way dispute appellant's claim in her petition that she was Mr. Presley's illegitimate daughter. Appellees' entire thrust on their motion for summary judgment was that a proper construction of the will reveals that an illegitimate child is not a beneficiary. The probate judge stated in his memorandum opinion: When a motion for summary judgment is made, an adverse party may not rest upon the mere allegations of her pleading, but her response, by affidavits or otherwise, must set forth specific facts showing that there is a genuine issue for trial. If she does not so respond, summary judgment, if appropriate, shall be entered against her. (emphasis in original). We disagree with the probate judge's statement of the law. The controlling authority, Rule 56.05, Tennessee Rules of Civil Procedure, states as follows: 56.05. Form of Affidavits--Further Testimony--Defense Requited.-- Supporting and opposing affidavits shall be made on personal knowledge, shall set forth such facts as would be admissible in evidence, and shall show affirmatively that the affiant is competent to testify to the matters stated therein. Sworn or certified copies of all papers or parts thereof referred to in an affidavit shall be attached thereto or served therewith. The court may permit affidavits to be supplemented or opposed by depositions, answers to interrogatories, or further affidavits. When a motion for summary judgment is made and supported as provided in this rule, an adverse party may not rest upon the mere allegations or denials of his pleading, but his response, by affidavits or as otherwise provided in this rule, must set forth specific facts showing that there is a genuine issue for trial. If he does not so respond, summary judgment, if appropriate, shall be entered against him. (emphasis added). As previously noted, the motion for summary judgment filed by the co-executors of the Presley estate was not supported by any sworn proof concerning the parentage of appellant. Accordingly, appellant was under no obligation to set forth any specific facts in response thereto "showing that there is a genuine issue for trial." The record is clear that appellees, for the purpose of the summary judgment motion only, conceded that appellant is the testator's illegitimate daughter. We also note that there is nothing in the appellees' supporting affidavits which would require appellant to set forth any specific fact concerning her ability to be declared the legitimate child of Elvis Presley. Therefore, the finding of the probate judge that appellant is not the daughter of Elvis Presley, and the finding of the probate judge that it is legally impossible for appellant to be determined a legitimate child of Elvis Presley should be vacated, and the order modified accordingly. The next issue for review which encompasses appellant's Issues IV and V is whether the probate judge erred in his construction of the decedent's will. The dispute in this case involves Item IV of Elvis Presley's will which is as follows: ITEM IV Residuary Trust After payment of all debts, expenses and taxes as directed under ITEM I hereof, I give, devise, and bequeath all the rest, residue, and remainder of my estate, including all lapsed legacies and devises, and any property over which I have a power of appointment, to my Trustee, hereinafter named, in trust for the following purposes: (a) The Trustee is directed to take, hold, manage, invest and reinvest the corpus of the trust and to collect the income therefrom in accordance with the rights, powers, duties, authority and discretion hereinafter set forth. The Trustee is directed to pay all the expenses, taxes and costs incurred in the management of the trust estate out of the income thereof. (b) After payment of all expenses, taxes and costs incurred in the management of the trust estate, the Trustee is authorized to accumulate the net income or to pay or apply so much of the net income and such portion of the principal at any time and from time to time for the health, education, support, comfortable maintenance and welfare of: (1) my daughter, Lisa Marie Presley, and any other lawful issue I might have, (2) my grandmother, Minnie Mae Presley, (3) my father, Vernon E. Presley, and (4) such other relatives of mine living at the time of my death who in the absolute discretion of my Trustee are in need of emergency assistance for any of the above mentioned purposes and the Trustee is able to make such distribution without affecting the ability of the trust to meet the present needs of the first three numbered categories of beneficiaries herein mentioned or to meet the reasonably expected future needs of the first three classes of beneficiaries herein mentioned. Any decision of the Trustee as to whether or not distribution shall be made, and also as to the amount of such distribution, to any of the persons described hereunder shall be final and conclusive and not subject to question by any legatee or beneficiary hereunder. (c) Upon the death of my father, Vernon E. Presley, the Trustee is instructed to make no further distributions to the fourth category of beneficiaries and such beneficiaries shall cease to have any interest whatsoever in this trust. (d) Upon the death of both my said father and my said grandmother, the Trustee is directed to divide the Residuary Trust into separate and equal trusts, creating one such equal trust for each of my lawful children then surviving and one such equal trust for the living issue collectively, if any, of any deceased child of mine. The share, if any, for the issue of any such deceased child, shall immediately vest in such issue in equal shares but shall be subject to the provisions of ITEM V herein. Separate books and records shall be kept for each trust, but it shall not be necessary that a physical division of the assets be made as to each trust. The Trustee may from time to time distribute the whole or any part of the net income or principal from each of the aforesaid trusts as the Trustee, in its uncontrolled discretion, considers necessary or desirable to provide for the comfortable support, education, maintenance, benefit and general welfare of each of my children. Such distributions may be made directly to such beneficiary or to any person standing in the place of a parent or to the guardian of the person of such beneficiary and without responsibility on my Trustee to see to the application of any such distributions and in making such distributions, the Trustee shall take into account all other sources of funds known by the Trustee to be available for each respective beneficiary for such purpose. (e) As each of my respective children attains the age of twenty-five (25) years and provided that both my father and grandmother then be deceased, the trust created hereunder for such child shall terminate, and all the remainder of the assets then contained in said trust shall be distributed to such child so attaining the age of twenty-five (25) years outright and free of further trust. (f) If any of my children for whose benefit a trust has been created hereunder should die before attaining the age of twenty-five (25) years, then the trust created for such child shall terminate on his death, and all remaining assets then contained in said trust shall be distributed outright and free of further trust and in equal shares to the surviving issue of such deceased child but subject to the provisions of ITEM V herein; but if there be no such surviving issue, then to the brothers and sisters of such deceased child in equal shares, the issue of any other deceased child being entitled collectively to their deceased parent's share. Nevertheless, if any distribution otherwise becomes payable outright and free of trust under the provisions of this paragraph (f) of this ITEM IV of my will to a beneficiary for whom the Trustee is then administering a trust for the benefit of such beneficiary under the provisions of this last will and testament, such distribution shall not be paid outright to such beneficiary but shall be added to and become a part of the trust so being administered for such beneficiary by the Trustee. Item IV(b) directs the Trustee to pay for the support and maintenance of "(1) my daughter, Lisa Marie Presley, and any other lawful issue I might have." (emphasis supplied). Paragraph (d) of Item IV provides for a division of the residuary trust by creating a separate and equal trust for "each of my lawful children." (emphasis supplied). Paragraph (c) of Item IV provides for distribution of the assets of the respective trusts "as each of my respective children attains the age of twenty-five (25) years." (emphasis supplied). The trial court held that by the use of the foregoing language, the decedent intended only for "Lisa Marie Presley or other legitimate children to take under the will." The Probate Court of Shelby County has concurrent jurisdiction with the Chancery Court to construe and interpret wills. 1985 Tenn.Priv. Acts ch. 28. The construction of a will is a question of law for the court and will construction cases are uniquely suited to the summary judgment procedure because they generally involve legal issues only. Estate of Robison v. Carter, 701 S.W.2d 218 (Tenn.App.1985). As we previously noted, for the purposes of the motion for summary judgment only, it is conceded that the appellant is Elvis Presley's illegitimate daughter. The cardinal rule in construction of all wills is that the court shall seek to discover the intention of the testator and give effect to it unless it contravenes some rule of law or public policy. Third Nat'l Bank in Nashville v. First American Nat'l Bank of Nashville, 596 S.W.2d 824 (Tenn.1980). The testator's intention is to be ascertained from the particular words used in the will itself, from the context in which those words are used, and from the general scope and purposes of the will, read in the light of the surrounding and attending circumstances. Moore v. Neely, 212 Tenn. 496, 502-03, 370 S.W.2d 537, 540 (1963); Fisher v. Malmo, 650 S.W.2d 43 (Tenn.App.1983). Every will is sui generis and therefore reference to other cases involving the testator's intention is usually of little assistance. See Burton v. Kinney, 191 Tenn. 1, 231 S.W.2d 356 (1950); Marsh v. Porch, 35 Tenn.App. 62, 242 S.W.2d 691 (1951). A will should be construed to speak as of the date of the testator's death. T.C.A. § 32-3- 101 (1984). In construing a will it is necessary to look to the entire will and the testator's intention must be determined from what he has written and not from what it is supposed he intended. Burdick v. Gillpin, 205 Tenn. 94, 103, 325 S.W.2d 547, 551 (1959); see First American Nat'l Bank v. DeWitt, 511 S.W.2d 698, 706 (Tenn.1972). Appellant contends in her brief: The word "lawful" is merely a modifier of the word "issue" and merely explains that issue eligible to take under a will must be issue who are lawfully able to share in an estate under a will. It has no correlation to the term "legitimate." Indeed if used with the word "issue," the term "legitimate" would make little sense. "Legitimate" is generally perceived as applying only to children. However, the term "issue," is discussed is much broader than the term children. The idea that "legitimate issue" would mean grandchildren, cousins, etc. who are issue and who are "legitimate" (i.e. were born in wedlock of their parents) would not be sensible.... [t]he courts are to give effect to the testator's use of the word "issue" which is widely definable, then the idea that "lawful" must correlate to mean "legitimate" is insupportable. We cannot agree with the appellant's reasoning. We agree with appellant that generally the word "issue" includes all persons who have descended from a common ancestor and unless the context indicates otherwise means lineal descedents without regard to degree of proximity or remoteness. Burdick at 109, 325 S.W.2d at 554. In Third National Bank v. Noel, 183 Tenn. 349, 192 S.W.2d 825 (1946), our Supreme Court stated: The rule in this state, as announced in Ridley v. McPherson, 100 Tenn. 402, 43 S.W. 772, is that issue includes all persons who have descended from a common ancestor; that unless controlled by the context, it means lineal descendant without regard to degree of proximity or remoteness from the original stock or source. This is in accordance with the great weight of authority as shown by many cases collected in notes, 2 A.L.R. 918, and 5 A.L.R. 195. That the rule still prevails in this jurisdiction, unless controlled by the context, is recognized in the later cases of Lea v. Lea, 145 Tenn. 693, 237 S.W. 59, and White v. Kane, 178 Tenn. 469, 159 S.W.2d 92. In the two later cases the Court found the context required that a different meaning be given to the word. While we recognize that such an interpretation of the word issue is not much favored by the courts and will not be adopted if there is a faint glimpse of a contrary intention in the instrument involved, nevertheless what may be called the technical definition of issue is now a rule of property and is to be accepted unless we can perceive in the instrument using the word some glimpse of a contrary design. (emphasis in original). Id. at 358-59, 192 S.W.2d at 828-29. In the case before us, we must look at the context in which the word "issue" was used to determine if there is "some glimpse of a contrary design." Id. at 359, 192 S.W.2d at 829. In Item IV(b), the testator provides for "(1) my daughter, Lisa Marie Presley, and any other lawful issue I might have." Obviously, he is relating "other lawful issue" in the same class with his daughter. This becomes even more evident when we consider Item IV(d) providing for the division of the corpus of the trust. The testator explicitly provides for "one such equal trust for each of my lawful children then surviving and one such equal trust for the living issue collectively, if any, of any deceased child of mine." The word "issue" is ordinarily construed to mean "children" where it has been used interchangeably by the testator with the word children. 80 Am.Jur.2d Wills, § 1220 (1975). See Lea v. Lea, 145 Tenn. 693, 237 S.W. 59 (1921); White v. Kane, 178 Tenn. 469, 159 S.W.2d 92 (1942). In the case before us, the testator, in dealing with support and maintenance, equates other "lawful issue" with reference to his daughter. In light of his division of the corpus of the trust among his lawful children, it appears that the testator is using the term "issue" in Paragraph IV(b) as meaning children. The will also uses the explicit term "lawful" when describing the children that will take under the will. Appellant asserts that this merely means that they must prove that they are children of the testator. We disagree. In Decker v. Meriwether, 708 S.W.2d 390 (Tenn.App.1985), one of the issues before the Court was whether an illegitimate child could take under a will provision providing for property to pass to her father's lawful issue. This court held that in view of the words used and the surrounding circumstances, it was the testator's intent that only legitimate children of the father would take under the provision of the testator's will. In the case before us, it is uncontroverted that Elvis Presley had been involved in a paternity case and was cognizant of claims placed against him for children born out of wedlock. In Item IV, paragraph (b), the testator makes provision for the support and maintenance of his family, vesting the trustee with absolute discretion in the manner and amount to be used for that purpose. At the time the will was executed, the testator had one child of his only marriage. The provision for the child is coupled with the provision "and any other lawful issue I might have." (emphasis supplied) There was no doubt in Mr. Presley's mind that Lisa Marie was his issue, nor was there any doubt on his part that she was born in lawful wedlock. With this knowledge of the status of his daughter, he explicitly describes the other objects of his bounty as "any other lawful issue." Moreover, the clause provides for issue the testator "might have" indicating his intent to provide for those coming into existence after the execution of the will. The intent of the testator to provide for only legitimate children becomes even more clear when we consider his disposition of the corpus of the trust. Here again, he utilizes the descriptive word "lawful" when referring to his children who should receive his bounty. A will should be construed to give effect to every word and clause contained therein. Bell v. Shannon, 212 Tenn. 28, 367 S.W.2d 761 (1963). Unless we disregard and give no meaning to the word "lawful," we are compelled to believe that the word was used to denote those born in lawful wedlock. Appellant's argument that the word "lawful" has to do with a determination of who might qualify as "issue" of the testator is not persuasive. The determination of who is or who is not an "issue" and a determination of who is or who is not a child can be made without any reference to the legal marital status of the parents of the particular person for which the determination is made. Appellant has not cited, nor has our research revealed, any authority to support appellant's assertion that "lawful issue" as used in the will before us could be construed as establishing the testator's intent to provide for those that can prove their blood relationship under the law. The authorities developed from our research define "lawful issue" to include only legitimate children. See Traders Bank of Kansas City v. Goulding, 711 S.W.2d 872 (Mo.1986) (en banc); Brisbin v. Huntingdon, 128 Iowa 166, 103 N.W. 144 (1905). In Central Trust Company v. Skillin, 154 A.D. 227, 138 N.Y.S. 884 (1912), the Court said: "Lawful" is the antithesis of "unlawful" or "illegitimate." In popular usage, the words "lawful issue" have an accepted meaning. All children are "issue" of their parents, for the operation of natural laws favorable to the procreation and birth of offspring is not affected by the existence or nonexistence of a marital contract. But when this word relating to children is qualified by the adjective "lawful," it is ordinarily understood to mean those begotten and born in lawful wedlock, and none others. United States Trust Co. v. Maxwell [26 Misc. 276, 57 N.Y.S. 53]; Black v. Cartmell, 10 B.Mon. (Ky.) 188, 193; Brisbin v. Huntington, 128 Iowa, 166, 103 N.W. 144, 5 Ann.Cas. 931. At common law the words "child," "son," "issue," even when unqualified by the adjective "lawful," excluded all but the latter class. Cartwright v. Vawdry, 5 Vesey, 530; Earle v. Wilson, 17 Vesey, 528; Wilkinson v. Adam, 1 Vesey & Beames, 422, on page 461; Swaine v. Kennerley, idem, 468; Brisbin v. Huntington, supra; Collins v. Hoxie, 9 Paige, 81; Cromer v. Pinckney, 3 Barb. Ch. 466; Johnstone v. Taliaferro, 107 Ga. 6, 32 S.E. 931, 45 L.R.A. 95; Shearman v. Angel, Bailey, Eq. (S.C.) 351, 23 Am.Dec. 166; Gibson v. McNeely, 11 Ohio St. 131; Doggett v. Mosely, 52 N.C. (7 Jones Law) 587; Thompson v. McDonald, 22 N.C. (2 Dev. & B.Eq.) 463; Heater v. Van Auken, 14 N.J.Eq. 159. 138 N.Y.S. at 886. We note also that even without the use of the qualifying word "lawful," the general rule recognized in Tennessee is that absent clear evidence of contrary intention, words such as "children" in a will are construed to mean legitimate children and not to include illegitimate children. Scales v. Scales, 564 S.W.2d 667 (Tenn.App.1977). This appears to be the majority rule in the United States. See Annotation, Right of Illegitimate Child to Take Under Testamentary Gift to "Children," 34 A.L.R.2d 4, § 5 (1954), and cases cited therein. Accordingly, we construe the will of Elvis Presley to exclude illegitimate children as beneficiaries. The last issue presented for review as stated in appellant's brief is: VI. Whether, in the event this court determines that the term "legal issue" excludes illegitimate issue, such decision would constitute state action to discriminate against illegitimates without any substantial state interest which is violative of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States and therefore unconstitutional. This issue is raised for the first time on appeal. Since it was not raised in the trial court, it cannot be raised in this Court for the first time. Lawrence v. Stanford, 655 S.W.2d 927 (Tenn.1983); Sutton v. Bledsoe, 635 S.W.2d 379 (Tenn.App.1981). In summary, the order of the probate court is modified to vacate the finding of that court that the appellant is not the illegitimate daughter of the testator, and the finding of that court that the appellant could not be legitimated. As modified, the order of the trial court is in all other respects affirmed. Costs of appeal are assessed against the appellant. HIGHERS and SUMMERS (Retired), JJ., concur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.144.55 ( talk) 15:56, 20 July 2011 (UTC) |
Hi again! Is the court findings that Deborah In summary, "the order of the probate court is modified to vacate the finding of that court that the appellant is not the illegitimate daughter of the testator, and the finding of that court that the appellant could not be legitimated holds any merit to you?". again this is based on records of law and courts proceedings not a BLOG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.144.55 ( talk) 16:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Recommending a book to add to the "Further Reading" section of the Elvis page.
It's called "Meet Elvis Presley" written and published by Dr Charles Margerison of The Amazing People Club in 2008.
Lenmar123 ( talk) 00:22, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
May I suggest a 1999 2-video package Titled "He Touched Me, The Gospel Music of Elvis Presley"? It's over 3 hours of Elvis and his friends, interviews and performances of Elvis with The Statesmen, The Blackwood Brothers, The Imperials, and The Jordanaires. It includes both concert and studio performances. Hosted by journalist Sander Vanocur, with Gordon Stoker of the Jordanaires, and Joe Moscheo of The Imperials. The videos are rich with details of Elvis's personal life, his relationship with his friends, and his deep, abiding love of gospel music. It shows a very different Elvis from that presented in this article.
The video set is still available on Amazon, if anyone here is interested in Elvis as a real person. Santamoly ( talk) 04:14, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
I have been working on the yodeling article and was quite surprised to learn that both Hank Snow and Bill Haley started out as yodelers. While searching for files at the Commons I happened to come across an ad wherein Haley and Snow shared top billing but Elvis was billed as well. That would be 1955, probably the February tour arranged by Parker. I find the ad very interesting for several reasons. First, of course, it's hard to imagine a time that Elvis did not have top billing. Then, note that the Elvis style was called "rockabilly", and there it is right there - Haley was rock and roll and Snow was "hillbilly". The price of admission is interesting as well. If there is no objection, I'd like to put the ad back and ask for feedback. BTW, I was one of those screaming girls... :-) Gandydancer ( talk) 22:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Rockabilly was used to describe his early work and style but I do not see where that is shown, and I also agree although interesting I don't think it's of article quality, if it were of better quality then perhaps. Mlpearc powwow 01:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
I raised a flag over this statement in the article some time ago. "Presley was one of the originators of rockabilly..." It is in fact clear that he was influenced by Carl Perkins for one. One of the Comets players have been quoted as saying that they were playing rockabilly (he wanted to play more complicated "jazzy" chords). Haley and the Comets were huge stars in early 1955 with 4 tunes in the Cash Box Top Singles list. Elvis was popular only in the South at that time. Yeah, note the listing of Scotty and Bill in that ad, both of whom were very important in developing the early Elvis style. I think all of this is important. But Elvis the "orginator" has won out. Anyhow, great discovery, even if it doesn't fit in the article. Steve Pastor ( talk) 17:15, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Robert Palmer has written about ten pages on rockabilly for a large format book on Country Music. (I recently became aware of) He does not repeat the Elvis blah blah blah. He seems to give more credit to Sam Phillips for stripping things to basics, (eliminating steel and fiddle) and credits Scotty and Bill's versitility as part of the Memphis region's heterogenous music scene. He also mentions that "Blue Moon of Kentucky" did better on the charts than "That's Alright", something that was removed from the article long ago. (There are primary sources for that, too.) Gone too is the fact that Bill Black started "Blue Moon of Kentucky". "Elvis was an orginator" isn't "history". It's an opinion about history, widely held though it is. It's indisputable, though that Elvis was the first widely known and popular artist in the "rockabilly" style. Steve Pastor ( talk) 20:47, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
For one night Elvis joins yet another Hank Snow tour, this one costarring Bill Haley, whose "Rock Around the Clock" is in its fifth month at the top of the charts. The phenomenal success of Haley's 1954 record, re--released when the song was used over the credits of the hit film The Blackboard Jungle, in some ways certifies the success of the new music and validates its name once and for all as "rock 'n' roll." In subsequent weeks Billboard will note the clever strategy of "Col Tom Parker of Jamboree Attractions, one of the nation's major bookers and promoters of country & western talent, [who] instituted a new policy when he presented a combination of popular and country & western music on a recent one--nighter tour." It might further be noted that Haley and Elvis are advertised on the top half of the poster, above Hank Snow. http://www.randomhouse.com/rhpg/promos/elvisdaybyday/1955.html Steve Pastor ( talk) 00:07, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Elvis' birth certificate spells his middle name 'Aron' while state records (and alleged death records) spell it 'Aaron'. This presents novel questions over the validity of his birth and death records, whether he is (or allegedly was) a US citizen, and whether he was born or died in the USA as many have claimed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.160.178.3 ( talk) 17:49, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
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I would like to write a new section about Elvis entitles "Religious Views." It is based on a book written by his step brother Rick Stanley who grew up with Elvis and who is a friend of mine.
hello,
Not related to Presley, but I want to write a similar section about the singing style of Otis Redding. Can you suggest good books which discuss the singing abilities of several prominent musicians? I just can't find any information about neither his vocal type nor any special vocal styles or vocal ranges. PS: Ref 297 doesn't link to the Reference section when you type it, but I don't know how to fix it. Thanks.-- ♫GoP♫ T C N 15:50, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
"The king's family moves to New York. Not the king of Germany. But Elvis Presley, who would have been Elvis Pressler if Johann Valentin Pressler hadn't changed his name during the Civil War. He made wine in the village of Niederhochstadt in the Southern Palatinate until he moved to the States. A number of descendants of the Pressler family still live in Niederhochstadt today. But Elvis is the most famous descendant of this German family." [19]
I would really love to to know more about Elvis' German heritage--please make ammends within the article. Thank you! Hyperboreer 14:30, 28 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperboreer ( talk • contribs)
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Elvis' Middle name is spelled Aron not Aaron. It's a common mistake considering they got it wrong on his gravestone. If you look at his birth certificate it shows the spelling.
Drewguy34 ( talk) 23:54, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
All sources are provided as well, Fact is, that if you see any other artist/celebrity page they have mentioned each of there hall of fame, so we can atleast mention some more important ones? Elvis is inducted in:-
And one more which is not related with music, but still important:-
This article is a vital 1000 article that is a featured article and has not been presented as todays featured article on the main page. I think it should be. When nominated he will be unstoppable (as always). Anybody wants to tidy him up for the event? -- Ettrig ( talk) 19:21, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
The following statements lack supporting citations.
-- Ettrig ( talk) 20:45, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Elvis Presley is also a pop icon as described in this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_icon
The information should be added in the second sentence:
"A cultural icon[...]" - "A cultural icon and pop icon[...]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ernio48 ( talk • contribs) 21:46, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Boing! said Zebedee reverted me saying that my sources "do not speak of other 14 year old girls". I disagree because of the following two sources:
On my talk page, BsZ said Daily Mail is generally not a reliable source but Daily Mail has not been blacklisted, plus is used repeatedly accross wikipedia, so that statement is disputable. Pass a Method talk 18:09, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
By the way i found more sources for 14 year old girls;
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Meh, I found the "accepted" version of this subject inadaquately conveying Elvis' extraordinary vocal prowess and abilities, which are a huge part of his timeless legend and his success, so I added a few things which I feel improved it, but they were apparently rejected for the last inadaquate version. I knew it was a waste of time. Elvis will only adaquately be represented in the minds of those who actually know him and his music and his voice. Wiki won't do so and anyone reading it will be led astray. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.156.52.237 ( talk) 14:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, POV statements, that's all. I added a few more pieces from quotes right here at the Wikipedia quote section about his vocal ability, and a comment or two of my own that I thought would more accurately convey the extent of his ability. But somehow the "racial issues" area of Elvis' page merits far more text here than his vocal talents (something important) do. Gotcha. I submit that some of the "reviewers and editors" making this page are not fully competent about Elvis and his career. Nothing about the several documented statements from people who actually worked with him in the studio regarding how he "arranged and produced" much of his (non-movie) music throughout his career either. Naw, that ain't important either. Can't find room for that tripe here. How about I add something about fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches? Will that stay here? "Featured article" eh? God help Elvis' actual "musical" legacy if left to Wikipedia, which unfortunately is where most people who don't know about him now look first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.4.15.170 ( talk) 03:53, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
My apologies to you and other editors who are doing a good job here. I admit Elvis' page is a lot better than it used to be. I used to refuse to even enter it because it was so horrible and full of lies and unproven slanderous BS. It's a lot better now and looks like a decent page now, but I personally am not fully happy with how Elvis' musical legacy is portrayed, but as Elvis once sang, that's all right. I was ticked when my edits under "vocal style and range" were removed because if there is going to be an "edit" button to click into and edit something, then it's removed, what's the point of it? If there has to be a meeting at the round table first to discuss edits, good. It should be that way and especially with an icon like EP, but they should remove the edit buttons in that case. They give people the wrong idea and waste their time in the end when what they add is removed. I made the edits that were removed and I then suggested another edit here about Elvis arranging and producing much of his work himself, excluding much of the 60's "movie" songs which he detested, and that's something else that should absolutely be included by any reasonable measure, as it is documented by several people. I have some commentary about it myself in various books and such by various people who were with him, including studio engineers and musicians. I have seen others, and there are even some quotes here at Wiki about it. The "co-writer" of Heartbreak Hotel said he didn't recognize the song after Elvis was finished with it. Elvis totally rearranged it in the studio and even changed a few lyrics there, and the writer said Elvis deserved the credit that he got.
This was common throughout Elvis' career. Steve Sholes was listed as producer at RCA for the first half of EP's RCA career, but was mainly an A&R man and the extent of his job in the studio was mainly bringing in tunes he thought Elvis would like, and seeing to it that Elvis had what Elvis wanted in the studio. Much was the same later with Felton Jarvis. At the end of the day, he carried out what Elvis wanted, exactly how Elvis wanted it. Elvis ran the show, his was the last word from top to bottom in the studio. Vocals, arrangements, instrumentation, mixes, everything, and it's been well documented. Chips Moman produced his '69 Memphis sessions for the most part, but Elvis had some disagreements with him. He let Chips mainly have his way because he had agreed to it prior. There are accounts of Elvis going ballistic upon hearing a new song of his on the radio or when he heard the released record and it not sounding like he left it in the studio because it was tinkered with after. I feel this all should be included in his musical legacy. It's decades overdue. Peace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.156.61.119 ( talk) 06:27, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the input, DCGeist. The only parts of all you display here that I wrote myself are the first example that you deem "puffery", and a stray word or two here or there. Probably 85 or 90% of what you mention above was taken from quotes here at Wiki that I used, not my words. If I wrote the entire section myself, there wouldn't be "redundancy" or "overlaps", but I knew I couldn't do that, so I just added a few pieces to further convey what I still think was lacking and remains lacking. If what I wrote myself is "puffery", so be it. I'd also like to see the "arranging and producing" aspect of EP's career addressed, but maybe that's irrelevant for a musical artist, or just Elvis, I don't know. It's been ignored in the article and right here. So be it. You can't please everyone. I don't represent Elvis. I'm not an Elvis Wikipedia watchdog. I don't have the time or desire to make repeated suggestions and hope one sees the light of day, or that it's even discussed. Elvis' page is a lot better than it was, at least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.156.54.2 ( talk) 03:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
I have various quotes from various sources regarding EP's arranging and producing, from well-regarded books and from for example the big information booklets that come with the various EP boxed sets I have. Various quotes and statements from various people who worked with Elvis directly in the studio. Musicians, engineers, et. Back in those days and especially with early rock music, the "producer" credit was usually just given to the record label's A&R man et, as with Sholes at RCA. This continued in that fashion with Elvis and RCA through his career, because Elvis was old school in that sense and he never gave a crap about details like that. You didn't really hear much about who "produced" something in rock music until the 60's when it began with the Beatles and the other 60's bands listing who the actual producers were. Elvis was never concerned with who got that credit with his work, but from the several various accounts I have read from people I would call very reliable because they were right there with Elvis for years, Elvis was completely in charge in the studio. I don't know how I would relay these comments and quotes here to Wiki other than writing them and where they are from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.3.242.73 ( talk) 07:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Controlling contributions in this way doesn't do anything for quality. It's creates a situation where people with something of value won't contribute because, as the previous IP contributor pointedly puts it,"They give people the wrong idea and waste their time in the end when what they add is removed." The gatekeepers don't own this article, but they're acting as if they do. They say things like,"I think two mentions, tops, each of a sentence or two would be appropriate." They try to take an editor's sources and hijack them as their own ("[provide] the titles of the books, just so we can be assured that they meet our high-quality sourcing standards.") The result, inevitably, is a very low quality "FA" article. Technically it's FA (word-count, references, etc) , but the encyclopedic content is weak because of the severely limited scope of the article. We outsiders aren't going to write anything because we know our efforts will be deleted and disparaged by others who fully believe that the present fixed state of the article is far more important than what someone else is trying to contribute. Santamoly ( talk) 03:24, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Okay. I Love elvis and this video [1] shows his vocal range as D2-C#5. Let us add it to the article. AttilaBrady ( talk) 23:06, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
I was impressed by the Placido Domingo quote, as well. So I spent quite a bit of time digging around for a good source for it. I couldn't find anything even remotely close to our standards. I'm afraid it may be apocryphal. DocKino ( talk) 23:01, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
A bit more on this: Our brethren at Wikiquote claim Placido said this "in an interview given to 'Hola' Magazine (Spanish version), as published in June of 1994." Still, no decent English-language source has ever published the supposed translation, and a search of Hola.com (whose search mechanism does seem half-broken) turns up nothing on the Spanish-language side. We remain a far way from verifying this quote, though I'd love to use it if we could. DocKino ( talk) 02:55, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
In the section about his burial, what does this mean: "After zoning issues were addressed"? Can you either explain in the text or provide a link please? As it stands, I have no idea what it means. It might be because I'm from the UK: it might be clear to Americans but the phrase is not universally understood, which is not an ideal situation in an international encyclopaedia. Thanks. 86.140.128.91 ( talk) 14:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
Hey folks - I see the infobox image on this article change alott and would like to help generate a lasting consensus as to what it should be. It seems customary (and of the most encyclopedic value) to depict a persons face as clearly as possible in the infobox because those are the features humans can most readily identify and using a full body shot may provide alott of information not useful in identifying the subject and by decreasing the resolution of facial features wider shots are less informative; I would suggest this [3] or this [4] image from the commons for that reason. I would suggest using the 1970 image because its copyright status is much clearer; the jailhouse rock images, while being public domain in the US are still copyright in nations that dont apply the shorter term rule - this includes Canada which is one of the larger countries that make use of the English speaking version of Wikipedia. Id be happy to hear everyones opinion. Solid State Survivor ( talk) 18:33, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
For many years, it was said that this Presley line descended from David Pressley, who was of Anglo-Irish origin; however, in recent years, this has come under increasing scrutiny and doubt. More evidence now seems to weight that Elvis is actually of German descent from Johannes Valentin Pressler / Preslar (1669-1742) and Anna Christina Frantse / Frantz (1674 - ) This family came to New York in 1709.
According to Donald W. Presley and Edward C. Dunn, both distant relatives of the King, a direct link can be made from Elvis back to a certain Johann Valentin Pressler, a German winegrower who emigrated to America in 1710. Pressler came from a village in southern Palatinate called Niederhochstadt. Niederhochstadt became Hochstadt sometime during the 250 years after Johann Pressler left it, but there are still many Presslers there, among them a winegrower like Johann Valentin. Johann Valentin first settled in New York and later moved his family to the South. The name was Anglicized during the Civil War by a Pressler serving in the Confederate Army, Presley and Dunn report in a forthcoming book on the Presley family.
It is interesting to note that if indeed he is descended from Johannes Valentin Pressler, then he would also be related to former President Jimmy Carter, as Johannes would be their common ancestor.
For some reason, every time I add information about the true heritage of Elvis presley, this is deleted. Is it not "politically correct" to proclaim Elvis GERMAN? Or are there other reasons? I'm willing to learn, please conclude! --Hyperboreer 20:21, 9 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperboreer ( talk • contribs)
Anyone else think that auto achiving is killing threads? I think there could be useful additions made regarding Presley's voice and how he managed his own studio sessions, but I haven't had time to dig too deeply into possible sources - and now it's all been archived out of view. Rikstar 409 03:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
There is an interesting article about celebrity baby names, that discuss also the popularity of the name "Elvis" over the years. It is amazing to see how the milestones in Elvis life influenced the name popularity (in US) over the last 70 years.
http://www.my-practical-baby-guide.com/celebrity_baby_names.html
Enjoy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amitbronstein ( talk • contribs) 21:47, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I just want to suggest reducing the length of this article - I really don't see why it has to be so long and, quite frankly, rather daunting to read. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.3.145.66 ( talk) 11:15, 19 September 2010 (UTC)
Where should I discuss Vernon Presley's prison sentence?
... talks about how Elvis and his mother often rode the Greyhound to see Vernon, who was thrown in prison for check forging. It also said young Elvis complained, stating that he missed his father WhisperToMe ( talk) 07:50, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
It sickens me that this Wikipedia-page pays attention to the rumour that Elvis was racist. It's a RUMOUR and not a fact, and Wikipedia is about facts. The rumour is nonsense and not important. IGG8998 —Preceding undated comment added 21:06, 12 September 2010 (UTC).
It's been discussed at length all before,as to why it is important to mention this in the main article on Elvis Presley. If you don't believe it should be included,then ask yourself this questions. Why is it then,that well respected Elvis Presley biographer Peter Guralnich deemed it necessary to write a whole article,about this very subject?-- Jaye9 ( talk) 00:52, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
And hard to kill
"So why didn't the remor die? Why did it continue to find common acceptance up to,and past,the point that Chuck D of Public Enemy would declare in 1990,"Elvis was a hero to most... Straight-up racist that sucker was,simple and plain.
Chuck D has long since respudiated that view for a more nuanced one,but the unassailable logic behind its common acceptance within the black community rests quite simply on the social inequities that have persisted to this day,the fact that we live in a society that is no more perfectly democratic today that it was 50 years ago". Source: part of article by Peter Guralnick featured in the New York Times
What does intrigue with this rumor that has attached itself to someone like Presley and not Jerry Lee Lewis for example,is somewhat of a mystery. Not taking anything away from Lewis at all,he is one of the greats. But wasn't there a famous quote made by Lewis back in the 50's,during a concert where he set his piano alight and had stated to Chuck Berry,"follow that nigger". Elvis never publicly said anything like that. Why is it then,that certain rappers,went after Presley and not Lewis. Interesting!-- Jaye9 ( talk) 07:26, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
There is some evidence that the "shoe shine" story may be true
It has been claimed that Elvis never said such things against black people. But are these claims true? Gilbert B. Rodman, Elvis after Elvis: The Posthumous Career of a Living Legend (1996) writes (p.36):
According to Dan Heilman
But Greil Marcus also says,
See Rodman, p. 37. However, there is indeed some evidence that Elvis actually said it. According to Alanna Nash, Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations from the Memphis Mafia (1995), p.257, there was a black waiter from Chattanooga who heard the words.
Even the boys from the Memphis Mafia
I also did some further research. Michael T. Bertrand, Race, Rock, and Elvis (University of Illinois Press, 2000) writes:
It was claimed that Presley had either made his racist comment in Boston or on Edward R. Murrow's Person to Person. (p.221) The author adds on p.222:
Although Bertrand also asserts that the racial aspersion was fabricated and appeared nothing more than "the natural result of [Presley's] success, coupled with his Mississippi birthplace" and further says that "the offending statement passed into fact," the author seems to be unaware of the witness Alanna Nash has cited. I think the paragraph must be rewritten because there is some evidence that the "shoe shine" story may be true, even if Elvis later denied it. Onefortyone ( talk) 00:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
PL290,what you stated above is so very true and you explained this so clearly, with so very few words,you have a gift. I on the other hand, tend to ramble on abit to get my point across,that's just me I'm afraid. So please,could you just bear with me,while I point out to and others about an interesring article I found about rumors and how they can stick to an entertainer and be quite distructive in there on way. This particular rumor I believe was the reason why Elvis couldn't go to Mexico for his Movie "Fun In Acupulco",because of death threats.
"May 1959: While Elvis Presley's popularity in the U.S. was arguabley at it's all time peak,Mexico was in the midst of a huge anti-Elvis backlash.
Tijuana tabliods called him a racist and homosexual,after the singer reportedly told gossip columnist Federrico de Leon "I'd rather kiss three black girls than a mexican".-(part)
"The book "Refried Elvis: The Rise of the Mexian Counterculture" (Berkeley: University of California Press,c1999)claims the original Elvis quote was fabricated. According to author Eric Zalov,"Herbe Pompeyo of Polygram Records in Mexico City claims that a high up Mexican political figure wanted to contract Presley for a private party,for which he sent the performer a blank check to fill in as he wanted. Presley,according to the story,returned the check,so the politico extremely offended,invented the storyline about Elvis not liking Mexian women."
My point I'm trying to make here,is what starts these rumors in the first place and if the above be any indication to this fact, then it clearing is an insight,that these rumors have nothing to do with the subject at hand.-- Jaye9 ( talk) 12:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
141,I truly believe that your distainment for this entertainer is causing you to be somewhat rigid in the way that you interpret information you read and thus put forward.
My reasons as to why I think it is important to include Racial issures into the Elvis article,is for the mere fact that this rumor,which was started back in the 50's,is still prevalent to this day. Maybe it is naive of me to suggest this,but while ever we have Racial isssues,it is my belief that this rumor will stay.
In saying that,there is still no evidence to suggest Elvis ever saying these tings,quite the opposite actually.
There is no denying that Elvis had a huge advantage over his fellow black artists,simply because he was white,the times and where he was from.
Saw a terrific DVD a little while back,where they were interviewing Little Richard and what he was saying,made more sence and was far more interesting then these tabliod rumors and hearsay. In the interview he mentioned,like Elvis,was signed up with RCA and had to have his parents sign the contract,due to his age. But the difference was RCA had another label called Camden. RCA label,being for the white artists and the Camden label for the black artists. After signing he soon discovered that he would only receive 1/2 cent for each record sold. This did not happen to the white artist on the RCA label. That's how it was set up at the time.
In typical Little Richard style,he went on to say,that Elvis loved and respected that style of music and he believed was greatly responsible for breaking down the Racial barriers that were prevelant at the time,with an added I love Elvis and I met Elvis etc etc. But the same was not said about Pat Boone's recording of his two songs. "I hate him for what he did and how he interpretated my songs,with no grunt." What he was saying,is that Pat Boone played it safe,Elvis did not and with that,he made an interesting point,when he said,that white kids had his record hidden away in their bedrooms and Pat Boone's record was on their dutches,clearly to be seen.
The point I'm making 141,is I've never been one to embellish rumors and hearsay. I have always preferred information that is interesting and I can learn from.
I tell you what,you find me any black artists or be that individual that (this is the important bit)that met him,believed him to be a racist. I tell you right now,you won't.-- Jaye9 ( talk) 02:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
I would like to say one last thing about this rather complex subject if I may and then I'm going to drop it. Firstly,I re-read the Racial issues in the Presley main article,I don't quite undertand why some people would have a problem with how it's been written,or it's content. I don't know which editore were responsible in putting that piece together. All I can say it is Class A in my opinion.
However I would just like to finish off by saying one last thing though. In the article it mentions the Chuck D lyrics about Elvis in his 1989 song "Fight The Power". But it turns out his feelings for Presley are a little more complicated than the song suggest.
"As a mucialogist-and I consider myself one,there was always a great deal of respect for Elvis,especially during his Sun Session. As a black people,we all knew that". Source: Chuck D speaks on Elvis'Legagy ET 08.12.2002
The unfortunate thing about Chuck D's powerful lyrics is that he was probably working off of this "urban legend" himself (he's too great of a musicalogist to believe it today,being at a more muture age)and only served to confirm the legend for a young audience that simply didn't know better (nor paticularly cared to---the "myth" makes more sense).-- Jaye9 ( talk) 06:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
Sammy Davis Jr. (have in mind Sammy boycotted racist people):""The only thing I want to know is, 'Was Elvis my friend?', 'Did I enjoy him as a performer?', 'Did he give the world of entertainment something?' - and the answer is YES on all accounts." James Brown:"I was not only fan, he was my Soul-brother." You see? Sammy Davis Jr. and James Brown, two black people, were among Elvis' friends. And here is a quote from Elvis himself: "No one can sing Rock 'n' Roll like coloured people. Let's face it. I can't sing like Fats Domino can. I know that." This quote shows that he respected blacks. He also said that Fats Domino was the real King Of Rock 'n' Roll. IGG8998 —Preceding undated comment added 18:59, 27 October 2010 (UTC).
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Category entry: American Baritones on the Elvis Presley page should be removed.
Replace with American Tenors or just removed.
Elvis Presley was a tenor that could sing a high B. I can give references if needed. Thanks.
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I was about ten years old living in Las Vegas, Nevada when I saw Elvis on the first Ed Sullivan show appearance. The next day at school everyone was talking about Elvis all the kids and even the teachers. We kids knew he was the symbol of something new under the sun A Natural youth undiluted and unspoiled. Elvis was our symbol of glorious wild freedom. He was sexy and uninhibited and we got the message. Then he got drafted and they cut his hair off. When we saw that we realized our Samson was defeated. We knew it in our bones. The Elvis after that was but a shadow of the champion he had been and his career after the army is the proof we were right. Let me see you verify that in your encyclopedia for it is the truth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.121.8.209 ( talk) 20:38, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
This has been discussed before - but most of the discussion seems to have been about relevance, not accuracy. Having looked at references on this, the only source for the claim that Presley's matrilineal great-great-grandmother, Nancy Burdine, was Jewish - was Oscar Tackitt, a third cousin of Elvis who is quoted in Elaine Dundy's book (cited in the article). It also appears that Oscar Tackitt is the only source for the existence of this Nancy Burdine in the first place, and that there is no genealogical evidence that she ever existed (much less that she was Jewish). The Tackett Family Association studies the Tackett/Tackitt genealogy and is run by Jim W. Tickett - on one of the Association's guestbook pages, Tackett states: "one researcher has given an unsubstantiated claim that Abner had a wife named NANCY [or Sarah] BURDINE - and this undocumented claim has made its way into the also otherwise erroneous lineages found in the LDS, Ancestry & Family Tree Maker files. Although we have evidence for two wives for Abner H. Tackitt, there is no evidence that such a person as NANCY J. BURDINE ever existed, and there is some doubt that MARTHA TACKETT was a blood dau. of ABNER H. TACKITT. " (Jim Tackitt also makes a similar statement here). So, it appears that this whole story has grown from one unverified claim into a whole internet phenomenon, juding by the number of Google hits. All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 06:02, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
The American Jewish Desk Reference (1999) by the American Jewish Historical Society is the first all-encompassing reference to Jewish life in the United States, from 1654 to the present. This authoritative reference of nearly 900 entries covers all aspects of America's lively and influential Jewish culture. It says on p. 128, "Shortly before he became the King of Rock and Roll, a teenaged Elvis Presley was the Shabbos goy for his upstairs neighbor, the local rabbi in the Jewish section of Memphis, Tennessee." Onefortyone ( talk) 23:36, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
So, was he circumcised or not?-- andreasegde ( talk) 23:53, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
They say not,and in saying that,does in no way prove that he was Jewish,more to do with the times.--
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Elvis was not a crooner. He was a rocker. When you talk about crooners, You talk about Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin, Bobby Darin etc. Not Elvis. IGG8998 —Preceding undated comment added 21:42, 18 November 2010 (UTC).
I don't agree with the structural change to the article. Suggest keeping just one section (1977—present) and adding a mention of the new album between the last two existing paras of that. PL290 ( talk) 11:46, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Someone needs to source that number in the lead (though it seems completely impossible, so it should probably be removed). 24.151.148.78 ( talk) 02:00, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
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Childhood in Tupelo
Elvis Presley was born on January 8, 1935, in Tupelo, Mississippi, toVernon Elvis and Gladys Love Presley. In the two-room shotgun housebuilt by his father in readiness for the birth, Jesse Garon Presley, his identical twin brother, was delivered 35 minutes before him, stillborn. Please change "identicial" (There is no way to know for sure if identical or fraternal twins. No documentation of one or two birth sacs.)
As an only child, Presley became close to both parents and formed an unusually tight bond with his mother. Please change - The family attended an Assembly of God church where he found his initial musical inspiration.[5] (He also had musical inspiration at home. His family was musical on both sides. His parents sang at home as many families of the time did for entertainment and his father had a good voice. His uncles made money performing for local dances)
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Presley's ancestry was primarily a Western European mix—Scots-Irish, Please edit - (add German) with some French Norman; one of Gladys's great-great-grandmotherswas Cherokee. According to family accounts, one of Gladys's great- grandmothers was Jewish.
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Entering a new school, Milam, for sixth grade in September 1946, Presley was regarded as a loner. Thefollowing year, he began bringing his guitar in on a daily basis. He would play and sing during lunchtime, andwas often teased as a "trashy" kid who played hillbilly music. The family was by then living "in" - please change from "in" to "near" (near but not in--wasn't done in the those days.) a largely African American neighborhood.
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First recordings (1953–55) Sam Phillips and Sun Records
To find related topics in a list, see Elvis Presley's Sun recordings.
In August 1953, Presley walked into the offices of Sun Records. He aimed to pay for a few minutes of studiotime to record a two-sided acetate disc: "My Happiness" and "That's When Your Heartaches Begin". He wouldlater claim he intended the record as a gift for his mother, or was merely interested in what he "sounded like", though there was a much cheaper, amateur record-making service at a nearby general store. Biographer PeterGuralnick argues that he chose Sun in the hope of being discovered. Asked by receptionist Marion Keiskerwhat kind of singer he was, Presley responded, "I sing all kinds." When she pressed him on whom he soundedlike, he repeatedly answered, "I don't sound like nobody." After he recorded, Sun boss Sam Phillips askedKeisker to note down the young man's name, which she did along with her own commentary: "Good balladsinger. Hold."[38] Presley cut a second acetate in January 1954—"I'll Never Stand In Your Way" and "ItWouldn't Be the Same Without You"—but again nothing came of it.[39]
Not long after, he failed an audition for a local vocal quartet, the Songfellows. He explained to his father, "They told me I couldn't sing."[40] Songfellow Jim Hamill later claimed that he was turned down because hedid not demonstrate an ear for harmony at the time.[41] In April, Presley began working for the Crown Electric company as a --CHANGE--(add delivery truck driver--To help squelch the myth that Elvis drove an 18-wheeler.)
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Texas, and Texarkana, Arkansas.[59]
By early 1955, Presley's regular Hayride appearances, constant touring, and well-received record releases hadmade him a substantial regional star, from Tennessee to West Texas. In January, Neal signed a formalmanagement contract with Presley and brought the singer to the attention of Colonel Tom Parker, whom heconsidered the best promoter in the music business. Parker—Dutch-born, though he claimed to be from WestVirginia—had acquired an honorary colonel's commission from country singer turned Louisiana governorJimmie Davis. Having successfully managed top country star Eddy Arnold, he was now working with the newnumber one country singer, Hank Snow. Parker booked Presley on Snow's February tour.[60][61] When the tour reached Odessa, Texas, a 19-year-old Roy Orbison saw Presley for the first time: "His energy wasincredible, his instinct was just amazing. ... I just didn't know what to make of it. There was just no reference point in the culture to compare it."[26] Presley made his television debut on "March 3" on the KSLA-TV -- CHANGE --(The March 5 not 3 "Louisiana Hayride" was broadcast locally in Shreveport.) broadcast of Louisiana Hayride.
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At the Country Disc Jockey Convention in early November, Presley was voted the year's most promising maleartist.[69] Several record companies had by now shown interest in signing him. After three major labels madeoffers of up to $25,000, Parker and Phillips struck a deal with RCA Victor on November 21 to acquirePresley's Sun contract for an unprecedented $40,000.[70]b - Please CHANGE "$40,000 to -($35,000 for the contract and $5,000 "bonus" to pay Elvis back royalties owed by Sun. You explain this in the notes, but most students won't look that far and will use the $40,000 figure erroneously.) Presley, at 20, was still a minor, so his father signed the contract.
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Parker arranged with the owners of Hill and Range Publishing, Jean and Julian Aberbach, tocreate two entities, Elvis Presley Music and Gladys Music, to handle all of the new material recorded by Presley. Songwriters were obliged to forego one third of their customary royalties in exchange for having himperform their compositions.[72]c By December, RCA had begun to heavily promote its new singer, and beforemonth's end had reissued many of his Sun recordings.[73] Please change "reissued many of his Sun recordings" to "Re-released all five of his Sun singles."
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On January 10, 1956, Presley made his first recordings for RCA inNashville.[76] Extending the singer's by now customary backup ofMoore, Black, and Fontana, RCA enlisted pianist Floyd Cramer,
guitarist Chet Atkins, and three background singers, including GordonStoker of the popular Jordanaires quartet, to fill out the sound.[77] The session produced the moody, unusual "Heartbreak Hotel", released as asingle on January 27.[76] Parker finally brought Presley to nationaltelevision, booking him on CBS's Stage Show for six appearances overtwo months. The program, produced in New York, was hosted on
alternate weeks by big band leaders and brothers Tommy and JimmyDorsey. After his first appearance, on January 28, Presley stayed intown to record at RCA's New York studio. The sessions yielded eightsongs, including a cover of Carl Perkins' rockabilly anthem "BlueSuede Shoes". In February, Presley's "I Forgot to Remember toForget", a Sun recording initially released the previous August, reachedthe top of the Billboard country chart.[78] Neal's contract was terminated and, on March 2, PLEASE CHANGE "March 2" to "March 26" (Parker formally became his exclusive manager on March 26.) Parker became Presley's manager.[79]
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Milton Berle Show and "Hound Dog"
Presley made the first of two appearances on NBC's Milton Berle Show on April 3. His performance, on the deck of the USS Hancock in San Diego, prompted cheers and screams from an audience of sailors and their dates.[82] A few days later, a flight taking Presley and his band to Nashville for a recording session left allthree badly shaken when an engine died and the plane almost went down over Arkansas.[83] Twelve weeks after its original release, "Heartbreak Hotel" became Presley's first number one pop hit. In late April, Presleybegan a two-week residency at the New Frontier Hotel and Casino on the Las Vegas Strip. The shows werepoorly received by the conservative, middle-aged hotel guests—"like a jug of corn liquor at a champagneparty", wrote a critic for Newsweek.[84] Amid his Vegas tenure, Presley, who had serious acting ambitions, signed a seven-year PLEASE CHANGE "seven-year contract" to "seven picture contract--actually one picture with options for six more" contract with Paramount Pictures.[5] He began a tour of the Midwest in mid-May, taking in 15 cities in as many days.
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Allen's show with Presley had, for the first time, beaten CBS's The Ed Sullivan Show in the ratings. Sullivan, despite his June pronouncement, booked the singer for three appearances for an unprecedented $50,000.[101] The first, on September 9, 1956, was seen by approximately 60 million viewers—a record 82.6 percent of thetelevision audience.[102] Actor Charles Laughton hosted the show, filling in while Sullivan recuperated from a car accident.[93] Presley appeared in two segments that night from CBS Television City in Hollywood. According to Elvis legend, Presley was shot only from the waist up. Watching clips of the Allen and Berle shows with his producer, Sullivan had opined that Presley "got some kind of device hanging down below thecrotch of his pants–so when he moves his legs back and forth you can see the outline of his cock. ... I think it'sa Coke bottle. ... We just can't have this on a Sunday night. This is a family show!"[103] Change quote. (If you feel it necessary to quote this, can you at least note that it wasn't true.)
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Hi Aliciadean,
I've closed your above edit requests because, as you've noticed, your account has become autoconfirmed and you are now able to edit this article directly. Please edit as you see fit, but be aware that whenever you change cited content, you should also update the citation to match. You might consider providing the exact urls you've used for some of your recent changes on this page if you're not sure how to do that yourself (this article uses an more complex citation system than most).
Cheers, Adrian J. Hunter( talk• contribs) 13:18, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Someone needs to add info on the Tupelo-Gainesville Outbreak, as Elvis' hometown was devastated by the main tornado, known as the Tupelo-Gainesville Tornado.
This info is already on the page for the tornado. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.61.39.92 ( talk) 20:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
He had German ancestors from the Palatinate: http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/biography/elvis_presley_family_history.shtml —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.9.190.53 ( talk) 16:40, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
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This article has Elvis Presleys' middle name spelled wrong. his middle name is Aron with 1 "a" not two. The traditional spelling is with 2 "a"s but, if you do your homework you will find elvis' is with 1 "a".
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[5] indicates this is an ongoing issue. Current discussions about labelling people according to ancestry or religion have generally resulted in an understanding that reliable sources stating facts are required as a minimum, and that self-idenitification would also be a valid way to label a person as to ancestry or religion. At this point, the sourcing used does not meet the standards now being used. [6] shows the requirement for reliable sourcing for such claims goes back to 2006 at least. [7] regarding labelling sans strong sourcing, [8] (recent BLP discussion which does not apply directly to a BDP), ad nauseam. In short - to make any claim about "possible Jewish ancestry" without an exceedingly good source is contrary to the new BLP standards (which I admit is not BDP, but is a sensible standard). Find a good source, and that is great. Without a good source, the claim fails. Collect ( talk) 11:36, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
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Elvis Presley's middle name was Aron, not Aaron. The second a should be deleted.
159.33.10.92 ( talk) 17:19, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
I added this relevant biographical info, which is standard when known. It has been removed on the basis of it being irrelevant. Without it, there is very little in the article about his father, who existed for all of Presley's life. Without the lifespans, the reader wouldn't have a clue when the father died. The reader would think: "What happened to his father? Did he die before or after Presley? Is he still alive, in his nineties? Jim Michael ( talk) 03:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
How many of the 1970s-era tours did Presley charter Big Bunny, the Playboy jet which was all black except for a white Playboy logo on the tail? Touring sound engineer Bruce Jackson talked in awe about the luxury of this method of travel, and Jerry Schilling in his Elvis book says the Big Bunny charter was mid-1973. Were there any other Elvis charters of the Playboy plane? Binksternet ( talk) 00:52, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
DocKino took out a bit of technical discussion regarding 1960 recording dates, with the edit summary "technical discussion was not really informative, and we don't have the room here to expand on it". "Not informative" can be remedied with expansion, but if this article has no room left for improvement, why is it not fully protected?
There is some good information about Elvis's recording and touring career in the sources used for the articles about Bruce Jackson and Bill Porter. Is it time for an article split, with technical details allowed expansion? Binksternet ( talk) 09:38, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I propose that we link to this audio documentary in the external links section:
On pages such as Perry Como and Frank Sinatra there is a "Listen" subsection in the external links, so perhaps we should add that as well.
Note: The Pop Chronicles has an Elvis interview from the 1950s, [9] but for the 1960s, they had David Lander ( Squiggy) "dramatically reproduce" some more recent quotations. DougHill ( talk) 20:10, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
I think the article should mention her more than once, and should say that she also had a music career. I think thats common for articles here. (this is also missing for Arlo guthrie in the woody guthrie artile. maybe its just such common knowledge people forgot to include it).(mercurywodrose) 76.245.46.57 ( talk) 02:22, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
{{ edit semi-protected}} Presley's ancestry was primarily a Western European mix—Scots-Irish, with some French Norman, and a German paternal ancestor from the German Palatines group. Ref: Tim McGraw on NBC. Who do you think you are? Tim McGraw researches his father's ancestry and discovers a link to descendants who were among the U.S.'s first settlers and a connection to George Washington and discovers that his paternal great great... grandfather came on the same ship at the same time to the States as Elvis Presley's great great... grandfather from Germany.
UteSonja ( talk) 18:59, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
According to a conference paper presented at the University of Wisconsin-Madison (April 2009, published 2010), "the best evidence has it that the name is derived from one Johann Valentine Pressler, a winegrower from the Palatinate village of Niederhochstadt who came to New York in 1710." See [10] This is certainly a reliable source, isn't it? Onefortyone ( talk) 21:57, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
In the section on Racial Issues I think it is worth adding the source of the quote "The only thing Negroes can do for me is buy my records and shine my shoes." which, according to Micheal T. Bertrand in his book Race, Rock & Elvis in Sepia Magazine, which was in turn quoting an interview with an anonymous interviewee/"person on the street". The section of the book mentioning this is quoted here on snopes: http://snopes.com/music/artists/presley1.asp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tfaironpirate ( talk • contribs) 18:43, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
The article was promoted to FA status on February 23, 2010. At that time there were twelve--count them, twelve--instances of the phrase "African American" used as an adjective. Every single one of those instances was unhyphenated, as they have remained until the recent, baseless, and increasingly disruptive efforts to alter this well-established, entirely proper, and up-to-date style.
As I previously suggested in an edit summary, I encourage everyone to check the prevailing style in current, high-quality sources. Simply do a Google Books search on the string "African American" or the string "African-American". On the search results page, click on "21st century" in the left-hand column, and just look at the results.
The answer is clear: there is no compelling reason to alter the existing style, and efforts to do so are in violation of both the spirit and letter of our Manual of Style, on the grounds of internal consistency, stability of articles, and follow the sources. DocKino ( talk) 20:31, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Is "African American music" (no hyphen) the prevailing style in our highest-quality English sources? In my experience there is no prevailing style: both the hyphenated and non- versions are used in the best English sources. Here are some that use the hyphen:
(I threw a few magazine and web sources in there for popular perspective.)
Some books use both constructions:
I did not show the sources which do not use the hyphen: there are certainly many high quality ones. All I intended to do with this list is to puncture the premise that there is a prevailing English style for no hyphen between African and American. There is not. Binksternet ( talk) 17:22, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
If this article did not have a stable or consistent style, a reasonable case could be made for either "African American" or "African-American." But it obviously DOES have a stable and consistent style, which is "African American," and as DocKino has said, it violates both the letter and the spirit of the MOS to change it. It is especially annoying to see Joefromrandb, ignoring the sense of this discussion, change one instance according to his whim, thereby subverting both the stability and the consistency of the article. Time to drop this and move on to something more productive.— DCGeist ( talk) 18:15, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
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His great great grandmother was Jewish, according to Jewish law it is passed down maternally in Orthodox Judaism therefore it should be stated.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 16:53, 25 April 2011 (UTC) Elvis was aware of this.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 16:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
It has been well documented that he had Jewish ancestry.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 21:42, 25 April 2011 (UTC) http://www.abebooks.com/Schmelvis-Search-Elvis-Presleys-Jewish-Roots/1487897785/bd-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 21:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC) Therefore I should be able to add it, that is a reliable source and a scholared source.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 21:45, 25 April 2011 (UTC) http://www.amazon.co.uk/Schmelvis-Search-Elvis-Presleys-Jewish/dp/155022462X-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 21:57, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
His great-great grandmother was Jewish it is passed down maternally, then his grandmother would have been Jewish, then his mother, then Elvis himself, Elvis was well aware of his Jewish heritage. Elvis was well aware of his Jewish ancestry, as a child was instructed not to advertise the fact because "people didn't like Jews" according to his parents. Yet, Elvis, who lived in an apartment below a Jewish rabbi, would often visit. The widow of the rabbi talks about Elvis. She recalls how, Elvis would visit their house on Saturday in order to turn on lights and do things they weren't allowed to do. Elvis carried a yarmulke in his pocket. He was fascinated by Jewish music. As an adult, she remembers how Elvis donated to several Jewish organizations. Lots and lots of pictures him wearing the Star of David. -- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 10:34, 26 April 2011 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_depictions_of_Elvis_Presley Although he did not practice the religion, Elvis was halachically Jewish, because of his mother's Jewish heritage (her mother had been Jewish, as had her grandmother, her great-grandmother, etc.). He was known to wear both a cross and a Star of David around his neck, explaining that he "wouldn't want to be kept out of Heaven on a technicality."-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 10:36, 26 April 2011 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_entertainers#Music Elvis Presley's great-great-grandmother was Jewish. Elvis personally had a Star of David carved into his mother's grave. He also learned the Hebrew alphabet, donated to Jewish charities, had a Rabbi as his spiritual teacher, and he routinely wore a Chai necklace (meaning “Life/Living” in Hebrew) in order to celebrate his Jewish heritage. Elvis was Jewish by law and did have a great-great grandmother who was Jewish and it was maternally down the line, he was Jewish and was well aware of it, it should be re-added it is part of Elvis and has been proven and on other wikipedia pages is also mentioned. Many people have discussed this I have even seen it up before but somebody keeps removing it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeordieWikiEditor ( talk • contribs) 10:39, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm not on about his religious side I know he was Christian but a Jew is a Jew and it is a race and a religion, you can be Jewish without practicing any religion or another religion besides Judaism so your argument is flawed. Obama being Irish... no it is well sourced and many upon many people know of this, why is he in other wikipedia pages about him being Jewish then don't avoid it. Is sourced.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 17:19, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
You are wrong. Jewish is both a race and a religion, the word Jew derives from Judea not Judaism, Judaism is the way of life for Jews but plenty of Jews practice other religions but still are Jewish look at Karl Marx for example, you can't stop being Jewish, you can be born Jewish so you will forever be Jewish. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F Also you just admitted he had Jewish heritage which he did have, why is he under Jewish Americans the culture as Jewish? BECAUSE HE WAS JEWISH.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 22:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Some sourcesAccording to Jewish law, user GeordieWikiEditor seems to be right. Here are some reliable sources:
It should further be noted that the American Jewish Desk Reference (1999) by the American Jewish Historical Society is the first all-encompassing reference to Jewish life in the United States, from 1654 to the present. This authoritative reference of nearly 900 entries covers all aspects of America's lively and influential Jewish culture. It says on p. 128, "Shortly before he became the King of Rock and Roll, a teenaged Elvis Presley was the Shabbos goy for his upstairs neighbor, the local rabbi in the Jewish section of Memphis, Tennessee." This strongly suggests that Elvis himself was well aware of his Jewish heritage. Onefortyone ( talk) 23:52, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Let's start again at the beginning: "His great great grandmother was Jewish, according to Jewish law it is passed down maternally in Orthodox Judaism therefore it should be stated". Wrong. Just wrong. Wikipedia isn't governed by Jewish law. AndyTheGrump ( talk) 01:18, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
The definition of who is a Jew varies according to whether it is being considered by Jews based on normative religious statutes, self-identification, or by non-Jews for other reasons. Jewish identity can include characteristics of an ethnicity, a religion, and citizenship. If one of the parents is not Jewish, the rule is that the child takes the status of the mother. Indeed, Orthodox and Conservative communities do not recognize the Jewishness of a person if only the father is Jewish. Accordingly, if the mother is Jewish, so is her child. Reform rabbis in North America have set standards by which a person with one Jewish parent is considered a Jew if there have been "appropriate and timely public and formal acts of identification with the Jewish faith and people," such as a Jewish naming ceremony (remember that Elvis's parents named their son Elvis Aaron Presley). However, Orthodox Judaism considers a person born of a Jewish mother to be Jewish, even if they convert to another religion. According to the sources I have given above, it seems as if Gladys was well aware of her Jewish heritage. To my mind, it may be mentioned in the article. Onefortyone ( talk) 02:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Why are you calling people trolls for putting point across? Also being Jewish is both a race and a religion, think back to all the expelling of Jews in different countries and the extermination of Jews in Nazi regime if it was solidly just a religion how would anybody know who is and who isn't a Jew? Because IT IS an ethnicity and can be argued a "race" depending on what you describe as a "Jew", you stated you have Irish heritage in you, then yes you are Irish-American you can't doubt that, unless you are Cherokee or whatever other tribes are Native Americans you ain't really American. Back to Elvis, it has been well documented and that is sources how can you deny it? Why do you not like the fact Elvis was a Jew? Also why do you keep AVOIDING my argument, why is he on other wikipedia pages stating he is Jewish? 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_depictions_of_Elvis_Presley 2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_entertainers That totally contradicts you, so why ain't he removed of either of them? Plenty upon plenty of sources state Elvis was Jewish and being Jewish is maternally passed down the line, his mother WAS Jewish therefore Elvis himself WAS Jewish and he was well aware of this, are you upset that he was Jewish or something? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeordieWikiEditor ( talk • contribs) 10:19, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
It is not Nazi propaganda it is true that Jews are both a race and a religion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F http://www.aish.com/ci/sam/48937817.html http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html Many upon many things back it up, and no it doesn't matter what Elvis considered himself religious wise ethnically he was Jewish, a Jew is a Jew. Wow well done you can remove them but it doesn't answer why was it even there in the first place? Why is they many sources stating he was Jewish? Please define a source in your opinion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeordieWikiEditor ( talk • contribs) 14:08, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Jew weighing in here, brought in by Baseball Bugs... Judaism is not a "race", it can be considered an ethnicity. My race is Caucasian. As far as what to make of Elvis' Jewish ancestry, which I was not aware of until Bugs brought it up to me, I'm not sure how much to make of it. To me, religion is mostly about how you identify, not this silly rule about which parent passes it down. IIRC, Catholicism (or is it Christianity as a whole?) passes it down through the paternal line, so a kid with a Jewish mother and Christian (or Catholic) father is kinda stuck there in terms of which wins out, by that argument. – Muboshgu ( talk) 19:13, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
They's a difference being a religious Jew and being a racial Jew. Anybody can be a Jew if converted to Judaism but you can also be of Jewish heritage, Jew derives from Judea not Judaism. It doesn't matter if Elvis considered himself Jewish or not he was well aware of his Jewish ancestry. Do you think he considered himself German or Scottish even though he had that in his heritage? No he just considered himself American, do you think Karl Marx considered himself Jewish? No he was a self-hating Jew, once a Jew always a Jew this is a fact. They is reliable sources further up stating and proving that Elvis was Jewish, his middle name is also kind of making it even more obvious.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 19:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Your only source, DocKino, seems to be Nate Bloom. Has this Jewish columnist written a book on Elvis? No, he hasn’t. He has only given his personal opinion on a website that helps and provides resources for couples with one Jewish partner and one non-Jewish partner. Is this really a reliable source according to Wikipedia standards? I don't think so. Be that as it may, on this webpage dealing with "The Jews Who Wrote Christmas Songs" (see [12]) we can read:
So much for this rather weak personal opinion. Bloom's only argument is his claim that a detailed check of available records (which records?) shows that Elvis's maternal ancestor was not Jewish and that he spoke to the daughter of the rabbi who allegedly said that her mother told her that Gladys never said a word about any Jewish ancestor. Interestingly, Bloom didn't know the rabbi's family name, and he didn't even know the other source which explicitly states that Gladys told Elvis that her maternal grandmother, Martha Tackett Mansell, was Jewish. Furthermore, the friendship with the rabbi and his family and Elvis's major donation to the rabbi's religious school strongly suggest that there might have been some deeper Jewish connections. Onefortyone ( talk) 22:05, 27 April 2011 (UTC) Why did he wear the Star of David? Why is books out in the big wide world telling everyone he was Jewish? How can I give you the quotes in pages from a book I don't own?-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 22:11, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
You guys need another reliable source? Here is Glen Jeansonne, David Luhrssen, Dan Sokolovic, Elvis Presley, Reluctant Rebel: His Life and Our Times (2011), p.31:
For one of several of Elvis's Star of David watches, see [14]. Onefortyone ( talk) 22:59, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
It did indeed have a a Star of David on the grave, he was aware of his Jewish heritage, what is the problem? Also how can I quote something from a book (i.e a page from a book) when I don't own it?-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 00:31, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
Also clearly it isn't a coincidence that he was on 2 other Wikipedia sites stating he was Jewish?-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 00:31, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't matter if he considered himself Jewish he knew he had Jewish ancestry these pictures and family records do not lie it is even on the elvispresley website itself. About his other ethnicties Scottish/German when you read the references... it is a book? Please tell me how that is a reliable source. David Cameron is Jewish but doesn't define himself as Jewish, difference? NONE.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 09:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Brad Hirschfield,Author,radio and TV talk show host,and President of CLAL - The National Jewish Centres for Learning and Leadership. Listed as one of the nations 50 most influential rabbis in Newsweek,had this to say back in January 8,2010. "Elvis Presley would have turned 75 today,and people are still asking if he was Jewish. Well perhaps he was,at least according to Jewish law,if not in his own mind. According to some Elvis historians,his mother's maternal grandmother was Jewish - a woman named Nancy (others say, Martha) Tachett. Of course,Elvis never thought of himself as Jewish. At least there is no evidence that he did. From the standpoint of halakka (Jewish law),the answer is by all means. In fact according to the Talmud,one remains Jewish even if they choose to convert to another tradition. Jewishness is a forever kind of thing. Of course the implications of that law are potentially two - fold: on the one hand,nothing a person does can dissolve there connection to the Jewish people. Once you are in,you are in forever. On the other hand, it suggest that Jewishness can operate independently of any idiology or pratice,in which case one might be considered a member of the Jewish people even if they don't meet the test according to how some Jews interpret Jewish law. Elvis' Jewishness,like his music,reprisents a fluid blending of cultures and communities. I can't help but wonder how good it might be for Jews and Judaism if we were as good at applying that process to faith and community as Elvis was to music..." In clossing I would also like to mention also something Elvis himself mentions with humor,when asked why he wore a cross,the Hebrew letter chai,and a star of David around his neck. "I don't want to miss out on heaven due to a technicality," he said.-- Jaye9 ( talk) 11:15, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Exactly, these people who are saying you need a reliable source to prove he was a Jew well why would they be plenty of books and historians who have stated his mothers grandmother was Jewish? Elvis didn't consider himself a Jew by religion he was a devoted Christian but this about his ethnic Jewish ancestry, even Jews admit Jews are both a ethnicity/race and a religion yet people further up state it's only a religion so really their don't even know what a "Jew" is themselves, it does not matter if Elvis thought of himself religiously as Jewish (following Judaism) once a Jew always a Jew lots of Jews practice other religions or no religion but still remain Jewish. You say you have not even bothered to quote us on the Schmelvis book on which page(s) but if I've not got the book how can I? A whole website " http://www.elvispresleynews.com/JewishElvis.html" which even before Jewish is elvispresleynews states his Jewishness, so many people who look up to Elvis know he had Jewish ancestry and so did he himself, the pictures here - http://www.debbieschlussel.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/elvischai21.jpg You go on about books not being reliable sources, his "Scottish and German" ancestry are book referenced, please tell me how this is any different? Remember this is not about personal opinions this is about facts.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 11:56, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Quote "According to Elvis' third cousin Oscar Tackett (who shared the same ancestors, Abner and Nancy), Nancy was Jewish" Another, http://www.elvis.com.au/presley/biography/elvis_presley_family_history.shtml Quote "White Mansell married Martha Tackett, a neighbour in Saltillo. Of note is the religion, Jewish, of Martha's mother, Nancy Tackett. It was unusual to find a Jewish settler in Mississippi during this time." Family tree - http://www.elvispresleynews.com/images/ElvisFamilyTree.jpg-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 12:01, 28 April 2011 (UTC) More again - http://www.urigeller.com/Elvis/07/Elvis07.htm Quote "Elvis Presley had confided to his close friend and spiritual advisor, Larry Geller, that he was Jewish. His great grandmother Martha Tackett was Jewish and Jewish law follows the mother's geneaology which makes Elvis Jewish. His mother Gladys did not disclose the fact to Vernon Presley as the South was very anti-semitic in those days. However, she wanted Elvis to go to a school that had mainly Jewish children, wanting him to mix with Jews and hopefully get a better education as she knew Jews were very concerned about education for their children. Many of Elvis' school friends were Jewish and remained friends when he became famous, such as George Klein, Marty Lacker and Alan Fortas. Elvis put a 'Star of David' on his mother's grave. When Elvis and Glady's bodies were removed from their original place of burial at Forest Hills Cemeteries in Memphis to Graceland Vernon removed the Star of David from Glady's grave. It was believed Elvis' body would be kidnapped from his original resting place so he and his mother's graves were moved secretly one night. Could it have been a commercial decision so they could charge fans to visit Graceland and view Elvis' grave I wonder? Elvis often wore a "Chai" on his neck, the Jewish symbol for "Life" and when asked why he wore a Chai and a Cross he answered, "I do not want to miss getting into heaven on a technicality". Elaine Dundy uncovered Elvis' Jewish lineage in her research for her book, "Elvis and Gladys". Elvis owned several watches with the Star of David as well as items of jewellery."-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 12:03, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Can somebody tell me why I'm getting a message saying "last change" final warning? I've NOT edited the Wikipedia page of Elvis since being warned, I am simply discussing and putting my point across on here not on the main page.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 14:32, 28 April 2011 (UTC)
How can I tell you which page in a book it says he was Jewish when I do not own the book? You are still ignoring me, the Scottish and German origin is book referenced, tell me how the book is a "reliable source"-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 11:56, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
How has he done research into it? I see no sources disproving that he wasn't Jewish? Secondly, I provided a link to a book which states he was Jewish and furthermore he himself knew he had Jewish ancestry and why do you think his middle name is Aaron? It kind of makes sense.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 17:25, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Why would a website dedicated to Elvis make it up? http://www.elvispresleynews.com/JewishElvis.html Why would so many books say he was Jewish not just speculated but discovered it and was just told not to mention it?-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 21:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC) |
Elvis's personal development must have been governed by some form of Jewish tradition, and this certainly would have considerable relevance for the singer's biography. Let’s stick close to the reliable sources, i.e. the material that has been published in books on Elvis:
As ElvisFan1981 has pointed out, there are images of Elvis wearing the Star of David on stage. Gladys's original grave did indeed have a Star of David, and the grave was designed by Elvis himself with knowledge of his mother's Jewish roots in mind. Furthermore, there are several Star of David watches which Elvis designed with Marty Lacker and had manufactured by Harry Levitch Jewelers of Memphis. For one of these watches, see [15]. All this suggests that Elvis was deeply influenced by some form of Jewish tradition. The only person explicitly claiming that Presley was not Jewish is Jewish columnist Nate Bloom on a webpage entitled "The Jews Who Wrote Christmas Songs". See [16]. Bloom's only argument is his claim that a detailed check of available records (which records?) shows that Elvis's maternal ancestor was not Jewish and that he spoke to the daughter of the rabbi who allegedly said that her mother told her that Gladys never said a word about any Jewish ancestor. Interestingly, Bloom doesn't know the family name of the said rabbi, and he doesn't even know Larry Geller’s statement that Gladys told Elvis that her maternal grandmother, Martha Tackett Mansell, was Jewish. This means that Bloom's remarks are poorly sourced. To conclude: Bloom’s personal opinion published on an obscure webpage isn’t a reliable source according to Wikipedia standards, whereas the other books cited above are reliable sources. Onefortyone ( talk) 02:12, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Here is another reliable source:
See Lisa Alcalay Klug, Cool Jew: The Ultimate Guide for Every Member of the Tribe (2008), p.14. This is not original research. Onefortyone ( talk) 03:28, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
I think a few people have a problem with the fact that Elvis had Jewish ancestry and he was well aware of it that is not original search it is confirmed documented sources that are in books and all sorts. It doesn't matter if he practiced Christianity he was still Jewish and you need to accept that, it is well worth pursuing this because it is a must it is what made Elvis who he was and by adding it into the article provides another part of his ancestry.
All of them sources a person provided earlier on would be counted as reliable sources - check the Scottish and German origins of Elvis the references are books, why is this any different? It is not and I honestly don't know why I was final warned when my edit was clearly backed up and even more now someone has even found more reliable sources. It does not matter YOUR opinion of who is a Jew and who is not, we go by Judaism and the ethnic side of things and by both definitions he would have been considered a Jew/Jewish.-- GeordieWikiEditor ( talk) 22:21, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Andy are you just acting ignorant here?
"Elvis' confusion and secrecy about Judaism came from his upbringing. When he was quite young Gladys told him that her maternal grandmother, Martha Tackett Mansell, was Jewish." See Larry Geller, If I Can Dream: Elvis' Own Story (1989), p. 69-70.
Martha "was the daughter of Abner and Nancy J. Burdine Tackett and ... Nancy is of particular interest to us. According to Elvis' third cousin Oscar Tackett (who shared the same ancestors, Abner and Nancy), Nancy was Jewish. ... Again, names often tell a story and two of Martha's brothers were given Jewish names, Sidney and Jerome." See Elaine Dundy, Elvis and Gladys (2004), p.21.
"Geller claims in his book [If I Can Dream: Elvis' Own Story] that Gladys told Elvis she had Jewish ancestors, starting with her maternal grandmother, Martha Tackett Mansell. Which is pretty close to what Elaine Dundy says in her book." See Alanna Nash, Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations from the Memphis Mafia (1995), p.2-3.
"Elvis's identification with the Jews continued once he became a star. When the Jewish Community Center was built in Memphis during the 1960s, he donated money for its construction. He had a Star of David engraved onto Gladys's tombstone, and often wore a Chai, the Jewish symbol for life, on a necklace." See Glen Jeansonne, David Luhrssen, Dan Sokolovic, Elvis Presley, Reluctant Rebel: His Life and Our Times (2011), p.31.
Is perfectly reliable sources and enough evidence to face the fact he was
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What about this version:
This version explicitly says that Elvis did not practice the Jewish religion, but it mentions his identification with the Jews. I think this information should not be omitted. Onefortyone ( talk) 00:34, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
What about this version:
All this is well sourced and not an example of WP:SYN. Wikipedia cites what the sources say, the reader is well informed about the topic. Onefortyone ( talk) 00:52, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
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The page is missing dates, and, in many cases, dates do not have the years. For example, the first Milton Berle appearance is listed as "April 3". It should also have the year, 1956. The July 17 date of his first appearance, at the Bon Air club, should include the year, 1954, as well.
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Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. FRE YWA 08:48, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
some people say elvis had an unusual scent but his wife disagreed. elvis liked lima beans he rode horses in his free time he ate bananas every tuesday elvis was a horrible student he had a hairy wrist he didnt like facial hair he he liked walnuts he twitched he didnt know how to ride a bike — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.174.6.3 ( talk) 05:12, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I lost my father in March this year and I miss him terribly. I read your comments tonight and I think to myself, your what my Uncle would call as being a non event dear!-- Jaye9 ( talk) 14:00, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
the courts had judged that there was merit to the claim that Deborah Presley Brando was the illegitimate daughter of Elvis. http://preslaw.blogspot.com/2009/11/another-temp-post.html 99.51.144.55 ( talk) 20:19, 19 July 2011 (UTC) http://elvisdecoded.blogspot.com/2007/06/wanted-elvis-and-my-mothers-marriage.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.144.55 ( talk) 20:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
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Court of Appeals of Tennessee, Western Section, at Jackson. Deborah Delaine PRESLEY, Plaintiff-Appellant, v. Joseph A. HANKS, Priscilla B. Presley and National Bank of Commerce, co-executors of the Estate of Elvis A. Presley, Deceased, Defendants-Appellees. 782 S.W.2d 482 July 20, 1989. Application for Permission to Appeal Denied by Supreme Court Nov. 6, 1989. CRAWFORD, Judge. This is a will construction case. On February 18, 1988, appellant, Deborah Delaine Presley, acting pro se, filed a petition in the probate court entitled "Petition To Determine Heirship And For Share Of Estate Under Will Heretofore Admitted To Probate." In essence, the petition alleges that petitioner is the illegitimate daughter of the testator, Elvis A. Presley, and pursuant to the terms and provisions of his Last Will and Testament, she, as his daughter, is entitled to a share of the estate. The Answer of the co-executors, Joseph A. Hanks, Priscilla B. Presley and National Bank of Commerce, filed September 23, 1988, denies the material allegations of the complaint and joins issue thereon. The Answer specifically avers that the decedent's will expressly excludes petitioner as a beneficiary. On the same date, the co-executors also filed a motion for summary judgment asserting that the express language of Elvis Presley's will manifests his intent "that only those children born in lawful wedlock to Mr. Presley are entitled to inherit from and through him, and that Lisa Marie Presley" is the only such child. The motion for summary judgment was supported by the affidavit of Priscilla B. Presley and D. Beecher Smith, II. The Presley affidavit asserts that Elvis Presley was married only once in his lifetime and that was to the affiant. The affidavit further states that the daughter of the affiant and Elvis Presley, Lisa Marie Presley, is the only child born to Elvis Presley during a lawful marriage. Smith's affidavit states that pursuant to Elvis Presley's instructions, he prepared the Last Will and Testament in question. Affiant further states that Mr. Presley had previously successfully defended a paternity suit in California and was cognizant of the need to specify in his will those he wanted to take thereunder. Appellant's affidavit, filed November 7, 1988 in response to the motion for summary judgment and supporting affidavits, states that she received a late notice of the filing of the summary judgment motion, and then on November 3, 1988, received a letter from the estate's attorney notifying her of the time for a hearing on the motion for summary judgment. She further avers in her affidavit that she has been unsuccessful in obtaining an attorney to represent her, and that she needs additional time before the hearing on the motion for summary judgment in order to obtain an attorney. Appellant also filed affidavits from her mother, Barbara Jean Young, and from Gene Smith, purportedly Elvis Presley's first cousin. These affidavits, in general, establish the relationship between appellant's mother and Elvis Presley in support of appellant's claim that Mr. Presley was her father. The memorandum opinion of the probate judge filed November 29, 1988 recites that it is premised on "the sworn petition of Deborah Delaine Presley; Estate's Motion for Summary Judgment, Answer and Memorandum in Support thereof; argument of Counsel for the Estate and argument of Petitioner, who was not represented by Counsel; and the entire record in this Cause." Basically, the probate judge found that appellant failed to establish that she was the daughter of Elvis Presley, and further construed the Presley will to exclude illegitimate children as beneficiaries. The memorandum opinion was incorporated in the order entered November 29, 1988, which granted summary judgment and dismissed appellant's petition. On December 29, 1988, appellant, through counsel, filed a "Motion to Reconsider Order Granting Summary Judgment." A hearing was held on this motion December 30, 1988, and an order was entered the same date denying the motion, resulting in this appeal. Appellant presents six issues for review which we will now consider. Issues I, II and III will be considered together. These issues, as set forth by appellant in her brief, are as follows: I. Whether the court erred in failing to set aside the summary judgment granted to the estate against the petitioner, Deborah Delaine Presley, in order to allow the petitioner to have legal counsel represent her? II. Whether the court's memorandum opinion and order granting summary judgment to the estate was overly broad and encompassed issues not presented to the court by the estate's motion for summary judgment? III. Whether the court's finding that it was legally impossible for appellant to claim any interest in the testator's estate due to the fact that appellant could not be legitimated was clearly erroneous? Appellant asserts that the probate judge should have continued the hearing on the motion for summary judgment to allow her to obtain counsel. The record does not reflect when the hearing on the motion was held, but the record does reflect that appellant filed her petition on February 18, 1988, the motion for summary judgment was filed September 23, 1988, and the order granting summary judgment was entered November 29, 1988. There is no absolute right to counsel in a civil trial. Barish v. Metropolitan Gov't., 627 S.W.2d 953 (Tenn.App.1981). The trial court has broad discretion in the grant or denial of a continuance and the trial judge's decision will not be set aside unless there is a clear showing of abuse. Barish, supra. From the record before us, we can find no such clear showing of abuse. However, as a practical matter, it appears that appellant's real complaint regarding these issues is the scope of the probate judge's findings in his memorandum opinion. Appellant's counsel argued in the motion to reconsider, and argues in this court that the probate judge's finding that appellant is not the daughter of Elvis Presley was not an issue to be decided on the motion for summary judgment. We agree with appellant's counsel. The motion for summary judgment, as well as the memorandum in support of the motion for summary judgment, explicitly established that the only question presented by the motion for summary judgment "is whether Elvis Presley's Will makes provision for inheritance by an individual who contends she is the illegitimate daughter of Mr. Presley." Furthermore, the affidavits supporting the motion for summary judgment did not in any way dispute appellant's claim in her petition that she was Mr. Presley's illegitimate daughter. Appellees' entire thrust on their motion for summary judgment was that a proper construction of the will reveals that an illegitimate child is not a beneficiary. The probate judge stated in his memorandum opinion: When a motion for summary judgment is made, an adverse party may not rest upon the mere allegations of her pleading, but her response, by affidavits or otherwise, must set forth specific facts showing that there is a genuine issue for trial. If she does not so respond, summary judgment, if appropriate, shall be entered against her. (emphasis in original). We disagree with the probate judge's statement of the law. The controlling authority, Rule 56.05, Tennessee Rules of Civil Procedure, states as follows: 56.05. Form of Affidavits--Further Testimony--Defense Requited.-- Supporting and opposing affidavits shall be made on personal knowledge, shall set forth such facts as would be admissible in evidence, and shall show affirmatively that the affiant is competent to testify to the matters stated therein. Sworn or certified copies of all papers or parts thereof referred to in an affidavit shall be attached thereto or served therewith. The court may permit affidavits to be supplemented or opposed by depositions, answers to interrogatories, or further affidavits. When a motion for summary judgment is made and supported as provided in this rule, an adverse party may not rest upon the mere allegations or denials of his pleading, but his response, by affidavits or as otherwise provided in this rule, must set forth specific facts showing that there is a genuine issue for trial. If he does not so respond, summary judgment, if appropriate, shall be entered against him. (emphasis added). As previously noted, the motion for summary judgment filed by the co-executors of the Presley estate was not supported by any sworn proof concerning the parentage of appellant. Accordingly, appellant was under no obligation to set forth any specific facts in response thereto "showing that there is a genuine issue for trial." The record is clear that appellees, for the purpose of the summary judgment motion only, conceded that appellant is the testator's illegitimate daughter. We also note that there is nothing in the appellees' supporting affidavits which would require appellant to set forth any specific fact concerning her ability to be declared the legitimate child of Elvis Presley. Therefore, the finding of the probate judge that appellant is not the daughter of Elvis Presley, and the finding of the probate judge that it is legally impossible for appellant to be determined a legitimate child of Elvis Presley should be vacated, and the order modified accordingly. The next issue for review which encompasses appellant's Issues IV and V is whether the probate judge erred in his construction of the decedent's will. The dispute in this case involves Item IV of Elvis Presley's will which is as follows: ITEM IV Residuary Trust After payment of all debts, expenses and taxes as directed under ITEM I hereof, I give, devise, and bequeath all the rest, residue, and remainder of my estate, including all lapsed legacies and devises, and any property over which I have a power of appointment, to my Trustee, hereinafter named, in trust for the following purposes: (a) The Trustee is directed to take, hold, manage, invest and reinvest the corpus of the trust and to collect the income therefrom in accordance with the rights, powers, duties, authority and discretion hereinafter set forth. The Trustee is directed to pay all the expenses, taxes and costs incurred in the management of the trust estate out of the income thereof. (b) After payment of all expenses, taxes and costs incurred in the management of the trust estate, the Trustee is authorized to accumulate the net income or to pay or apply so much of the net income and such portion of the principal at any time and from time to time for the health, education, support, comfortable maintenance and welfare of: (1) my daughter, Lisa Marie Presley, and any other lawful issue I might have, (2) my grandmother, Minnie Mae Presley, (3) my father, Vernon E. Presley, and (4) such other relatives of mine living at the time of my death who in the absolute discretion of my Trustee are in need of emergency assistance for any of the above mentioned purposes and the Trustee is able to make such distribution without affecting the ability of the trust to meet the present needs of the first three numbered categories of beneficiaries herein mentioned or to meet the reasonably expected future needs of the first three classes of beneficiaries herein mentioned. Any decision of the Trustee as to whether or not distribution shall be made, and also as to the amount of such distribution, to any of the persons described hereunder shall be final and conclusive and not subject to question by any legatee or beneficiary hereunder. (c) Upon the death of my father, Vernon E. Presley, the Trustee is instructed to make no further distributions to the fourth category of beneficiaries and such beneficiaries shall cease to have any interest whatsoever in this trust. (d) Upon the death of both my said father and my said grandmother, the Trustee is directed to divide the Residuary Trust into separate and equal trusts, creating one such equal trust for each of my lawful children then surviving and one such equal trust for the living issue collectively, if any, of any deceased child of mine. The share, if any, for the issue of any such deceased child, shall immediately vest in such issue in equal shares but shall be subject to the provisions of ITEM V herein. Separate books and records shall be kept for each trust, but it shall not be necessary that a physical division of the assets be made as to each trust. The Trustee may from time to time distribute the whole or any part of the net income or principal from each of the aforesaid trusts as the Trustee, in its uncontrolled discretion, considers necessary or desirable to provide for the comfortable support, education, maintenance, benefit and general welfare of each of my children. Such distributions may be made directly to such beneficiary or to any person standing in the place of a parent or to the guardian of the person of such beneficiary and without responsibility on my Trustee to see to the application of any such distributions and in making such distributions, the Trustee shall take into account all other sources of funds known by the Trustee to be available for each respective beneficiary for such purpose. (e) As each of my respective children attains the age of twenty-five (25) years and provided that both my father and grandmother then be deceased, the trust created hereunder for such child shall terminate, and all the remainder of the assets then contained in said trust shall be distributed to such child so attaining the age of twenty-five (25) years outright and free of further trust. (f) If any of my children for whose benefit a trust has been created hereunder should die before attaining the age of twenty-five (25) years, then the trust created for such child shall terminate on his death, and all remaining assets then contained in said trust shall be distributed outright and free of further trust and in equal shares to the surviving issue of such deceased child but subject to the provisions of ITEM V herein; but if there be no such surviving issue, then to the brothers and sisters of such deceased child in equal shares, the issue of any other deceased child being entitled collectively to their deceased parent's share. Nevertheless, if any distribution otherwise becomes payable outright and free of trust under the provisions of this paragraph (f) of this ITEM IV of my will to a beneficiary for whom the Trustee is then administering a trust for the benefit of such beneficiary under the provisions of this last will and testament, such distribution shall not be paid outright to such beneficiary but shall be added to and become a part of the trust so being administered for such beneficiary by the Trustee. Item IV(b) directs the Trustee to pay for the support and maintenance of "(1) my daughter, Lisa Marie Presley, and any other lawful issue I might have." (emphasis supplied). Paragraph (d) of Item IV provides for a division of the residuary trust by creating a separate and equal trust for "each of my lawful children." (emphasis supplied). Paragraph (c) of Item IV provides for distribution of the assets of the respective trusts "as each of my respective children attains the age of twenty-five (25) years." (emphasis supplied). The trial court held that by the use of the foregoing language, the decedent intended only for "Lisa Marie Presley or other legitimate children to take under the will." The Probate Court of Shelby County has concurrent jurisdiction with the Chancery Court to construe and interpret wills. 1985 Tenn.Priv. Acts ch. 28. The construction of a will is a question of law for the court and will construction cases are uniquely suited to the summary judgment procedure because they generally involve legal issues only. Estate of Robison v. Carter, 701 S.W.2d 218 (Tenn.App.1985). As we previously noted, for the purposes of the motion for summary judgment only, it is conceded that the appellant is Elvis Presley's illegitimate daughter. The cardinal rule in construction of all wills is that the court shall seek to discover the intention of the testator and give effect to it unless it contravenes some rule of law or public policy. Third Nat'l Bank in Nashville v. First American Nat'l Bank of Nashville, 596 S.W.2d 824 (Tenn.1980). The testator's intention is to be ascertained from the particular words used in the will itself, from the context in which those words are used, and from the general scope and purposes of the will, read in the light of the surrounding and attending circumstances. Moore v. Neely, 212 Tenn. 496, 502-03, 370 S.W.2d 537, 540 (1963); Fisher v. Malmo, 650 S.W.2d 43 (Tenn.App.1983). Every will is sui generis and therefore reference to other cases involving the testator's intention is usually of little assistance. See Burton v. Kinney, 191 Tenn. 1, 231 S.W.2d 356 (1950); Marsh v. Porch, 35 Tenn.App. 62, 242 S.W.2d 691 (1951). A will should be construed to speak as of the date of the testator's death. T.C.A. § 32-3- 101 (1984). In construing a will it is necessary to look to the entire will and the testator's intention must be determined from what he has written and not from what it is supposed he intended. Burdick v. Gillpin, 205 Tenn. 94, 103, 325 S.W.2d 547, 551 (1959); see First American Nat'l Bank v. DeWitt, 511 S.W.2d 698, 706 (Tenn.1972). Appellant contends in her brief: The word "lawful" is merely a modifier of the word "issue" and merely explains that issue eligible to take under a will must be issue who are lawfully able to share in an estate under a will. It has no correlation to the term "legitimate." Indeed if used with the word "issue," the term "legitimate" would make little sense. "Legitimate" is generally perceived as applying only to children. However, the term "issue," is discussed is much broader than the term children. The idea that "legitimate issue" would mean grandchildren, cousins, etc. who are issue and who are "legitimate" (i.e. were born in wedlock of their parents) would not be sensible.... [t]he courts are to give effect to the testator's use of the word "issue" which is widely definable, then the idea that "lawful" must correlate to mean "legitimate" is insupportable. We cannot agree with the appellant's reasoning. We agree with appellant that generally the word "issue" includes all persons who have descended from a common ancestor and unless the context indicates otherwise means lineal descedents without regard to degree of proximity or remoteness. Burdick at 109, 325 S.W.2d at 554. In Third National Bank v. Noel, 183 Tenn. 349, 192 S.W.2d 825 (1946), our Supreme Court stated: The rule in this state, as announced in Ridley v. McPherson, 100 Tenn. 402, 43 S.W. 772, is that issue includes all persons who have descended from a common ancestor; that unless controlled by the context, it means lineal descendant without regard to degree of proximity or remoteness from the original stock or source. This is in accordance with the great weight of authority as shown by many cases collected in notes, 2 A.L.R. 918, and 5 A.L.R. 195. That the rule still prevails in this jurisdiction, unless controlled by the context, is recognized in the later cases of Lea v. Lea, 145 Tenn. 693, 237 S.W. 59, and White v. Kane, 178 Tenn. 469, 159 S.W.2d 92. In the two later cases the Court found the context required that a different meaning be given to the word. While we recognize that such an interpretation of the word issue is not much favored by the courts and will not be adopted if there is a faint glimpse of a contrary intention in the instrument involved, nevertheless what may be called the technical definition of issue is now a rule of property and is to be accepted unless we can perceive in the instrument using the word some glimpse of a contrary design. (emphasis in original). Id. at 358-59, 192 S.W.2d at 828-29. In the case before us, we must look at the context in which the word "issue" was used to determine if there is "some glimpse of a contrary design." Id. at 359, 192 S.W.2d at 829. In Item IV(b), the testator provides for "(1) my daughter, Lisa Marie Presley, and any other lawful issue I might have." Obviously, he is relating "other lawful issue" in the same class with his daughter. This becomes even more evident when we consider Item IV(d) providing for the division of the corpus of the trust. The testator explicitly provides for "one such equal trust for each of my lawful children then surviving and one such equal trust for the living issue collectively, if any, of any deceased child of mine." The word "issue" is ordinarily construed to mean "children" where it has been used interchangeably by the testator with the word children. 80 Am.Jur.2d Wills, § 1220 (1975). See Lea v. Lea, 145 Tenn. 693, 237 S.W. 59 (1921); White v. Kane, 178 Tenn. 469, 159 S.W.2d 92 (1942). In the case before us, the testator, in dealing with support and maintenance, equates other "lawful issue" with reference to his daughter. In light of his division of the corpus of the trust among his lawful children, it appears that the testator is using the term "issue" in Paragraph IV(b) as meaning children. The will also uses the explicit term "lawful" when describing the children that will take under the will. Appellant asserts that this merely means that they must prove that they are children of the testator. We disagree. In Decker v. Meriwether, 708 S.W.2d 390 (Tenn.App.1985), one of the issues before the Court was whether an illegitimate child could take under a will provision providing for property to pass to her father's lawful issue. This court held that in view of the words used and the surrounding circumstances, it was the testator's intent that only legitimate children of the father would take under the provision of the testator's will. In the case before us, it is uncontroverted that Elvis Presley had been involved in a paternity case and was cognizant of claims placed against him for children born out of wedlock. In Item IV, paragraph (b), the testator makes provision for the support and maintenance of his family, vesting the trustee with absolute discretion in the manner and amount to be used for that purpose. At the time the will was executed, the testator had one child of his only marriage. The provision for the child is coupled with the provision "and any other lawful issue I might have." (emphasis supplied) There was no doubt in Mr. Presley's mind that Lisa Marie was his issue, nor was there any doubt on his part that she was born in lawful wedlock. With this knowledge of the status of his daughter, he explicitly describes the other objects of his bounty as "any other lawful issue." Moreover, the clause provides for issue the testator "might have" indicating his intent to provide for those coming into existence after the execution of the will. The intent of the testator to provide for only legitimate children becomes even more clear when we consider his disposition of the corpus of the trust. Here again, he utilizes the descriptive word "lawful" when referring to his children who should receive his bounty. A will should be construed to give effect to every word and clause contained therein. Bell v. Shannon, 212 Tenn. 28, 367 S.W.2d 761 (1963). Unless we disregard and give no meaning to the word "lawful," we are compelled to believe that the word was used to denote those born in lawful wedlock. Appellant's argument that the word "lawful" has to do with a determination of who might qualify as "issue" of the testator is not persuasive. The determination of who is or who is not an "issue" and a determination of who is or who is not a child can be made without any reference to the legal marital status of the parents of the particular person for which the determination is made. Appellant has not cited, nor has our research revealed, any authority to support appellant's assertion that "lawful issue" as used in the will before us could be construed as establishing the testator's intent to provide for those that can prove their blood relationship under the law. The authorities developed from our research define "lawful issue" to include only legitimate children. See Traders Bank of Kansas City v. Goulding, 711 S.W.2d 872 (Mo.1986) (en banc); Brisbin v. Huntingdon, 128 Iowa 166, 103 N.W. 144 (1905). In Central Trust Company v. Skillin, 154 A.D. 227, 138 N.Y.S. 884 (1912), the Court said: "Lawful" is the antithesis of "unlawful" or "illegitimate." In popular usage, the words "lawful issue" have an accepted meaning. All children are "issue" of their parents, for the operation of natural laws favorable to the procreation and birth of offspring is not affected by the existence or nonexistence of a marital contract. But when this word relating to children is qualified by the adjective "lawful," it is ordinarily understood to mean those begotten and born in lawful wedlock, and none others. United States Trust Co. v. Maxwell [26 Misc. 276, 57 N.Y.S. 53]; Black v. Cartmell, 10 B.Mon. (Ky.) 188, 193; Brisbin v. Huntington, 128 Iowa, 166, 103 N.W. 144, 5 Ann.Cas. 931. At common law the words "child," "son," "issue," even when unqualified by the adjective "lawful," excluded all but the latter class. Cartwright v. Vawdry, 5 Vesey, 530; Earle v. Wilson, 17 Vesey, 528; Wilkinson v. Adam, 1 Vesey & Beames, 422, on page 461; Swaine v. Kennerley, idem, 468; Brisbin v. Huntington, supra; Collins v. Hoxie, 9 Paige, 81; Cromer v. Pinckney, 3 Barb. Ch. 466; Johnstone v. Taliaferro, 107 Ga. 6, 32 S.E. 931, 45 L.R.A. 95; Shearman v. Angel, Bailey, Eq. (S.C.) 351, 23 Am.Dec. 166; Gibson v. McNeely, 11 Ohio St. 131; Doggett v. Mosely, 52 N.C. (7 Jones Law) 587; Thompson v. McDonald, 22 N.C. (2 Dev. & B.Eq.) 463; Heater v. Van Auken, 14 N.J.Eq. 159. 138 N.Y.S. at 886. We note also that even without the use of the qualifying word "lawful," the general rule recognized in Tennessee is that absent clear evidence of contrary intention, words such as "children" in a will are construed to mean legitimate children and not to include illegitimate children. Scales v. Scales, 564 S.W.2d 667 (Tenn.App.1977). This appears to be the majority rule in the United States. See Annotation, Right of Illegitimate Child to Take Under Testamentary Gift to "Children," 34 A.L.R.2d 4, § 5 (1954), and cases cited therein. Accordingly, we construe the will of Elvis Presley to exclude illegitimate children as beneficiaries. The last issue presented for review as stated in appellant's brief is: VI. Whether, in the event this court determines that the term "legal issue" excludes illegitimate issue, such decision would constitute state action to discriminate against illegitimates without any substantial state interest which is violative of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States and therefore unconstitutional. This issue is raised for the first time on appeal. Since it was not raised in the trial court, it cannot be raised in this Court for the first time. Lawrence v. Stanford, 655 S.W.2d 927 (Tenn.1983); Sutton v. Bledsoe, 635 S.W.2d 379 (Tenn.App.1981). In summary, the order of the probate court is modified to vacate the finding of that court that the appellant is not the illegitimate daughter of the testator, and the finding of that court that the appellant could not be legitimated. As modified, the order of the trial court is in all other respects affirmed. Costs of appeal are assessed against the appellant. HIGHERS and SUMMERS (Retired), JJ., concur. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.144.55 ( talk) 15:56, 20 July 2011 (UTC) |
Hi again! Is the court findings that Deborah In summary, "the order of the probate court is modified to vacate the finding of that court that the appellant is not the illegitimate daughter of the testator, and the finding of that court that the appellant could not be legitimated holds any merit to you?". again this is based on records of law and courts proceedings not a BLOG. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.51.144.55 ( talk) 16:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Recommending a book to add to the "Further Reading" section of the Elvis page.
It's called "Meet Elvis Presley" written and published by Dr Charles Margerison of The Amazing People Club in 2008.
Lenmar123 ( talk) 00:22, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
May I suggest a 1999 2-video package Titled "He Touched Me, The Gospel Music of Elvis Presley"? It's over 3 hours of Elvis and his friends, interviews and performances of Elvis with The Statesmen, The Blackwood Brothers, The Imperials, and The Jordanaires. It includes both concert and studio performances. Hosted by journalist Sander Vanocur, with Gordon Stoker of the Jordanaires, and Joe Moscheo of The Imperials. The videos are rich with details of Elvis's personal life, his relationship with his friends, and his deep, abiding love of gospel music. It shows a very different Elvis from that presented in this article.
The video set is still available on Amazon, if anyone here is interested in Elvis as a real person. Santamoly ( talk) 04:14, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
I have been working on the yodeling article and was quite surprised to learn that both Hank Snow and Bill Haley started out as yodelers. While searching for files at the Commons I happened to come across an ad wherein Haley and Snow shared top billing but Elvis was billed as well. That would be 1955, probably the February tour arranged by Parker. I find the ad very interesting for several reasons. First, of course, it's hard to imagine a time that Elvis did not have top billing. Then, note that the Elvis style was called "rockabilly", and there it is right there - Haley was rock and roll and Snow was "hillbilly". The price of admission is interesting as well. If there is no objection, I'd like to put the ad back and ask for feedback. BTW, I was one of those screaming girls... :-) Gandydancer ( talk) 22:26, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
Rockabilly was used to describe his early work and style but I do not see where that is shown, and I also agree although interesting I don't think it's of article quality, if it were of better quality then perhaps. Mlpearc powwow 01:58, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
I raised a flag over this statement in the article some time ago. "Presley was one of the originators of rockabilly..." It is in fact clear that he was influenced by Carl Perkins for one. One of the Comets players have been quoted as saying that they were playing rockabilly (he wanted to play more complicated "jazzy" chords). Haley and the Comets were huge stars in early 1955 with 4 tunes in the Cash Box Top Singles list. Elvis was popular only in the South at that time. Yeah, note the listing of Scotty and Bill in that ad, both of whom were very important in developing the early Elvis style. I think all of this is important. But Elvis the "orginator" has won out. Anyhow, great discovery, even if it doesn't fit in the article. Steve Pastor ( talk) 17:15, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Robert Palmer has written about ten pages on rockabilly for a large format book on Country Music. (I recently became aware of) He does not repeat the Elvis blah blah blah. He seems to give more credit to Sam Phillips for stripping things to basics, (eliminating steel and fiddle) and credits Scotty and Bill's versitility as part of the Memphis region's heterogenous music scene. He also mentions that "Blue Moon of Kentucky" did better on the charts than "That's Alright", something that was removed from the article long ago. (There are primary sources for that, too.) Gone too is the fact that Bill Black started "Blue Moon of Kentucky". "Elvis was an orginator" isn't "history". It's an opinion about history, widely held though it is. It's indisputable, though that Elvis was the first widely known and popular artist in the "rockabilly" style. Steve Pastor ( talk) 20:47, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
For one night Elvis joins yet another Hank Snow tour, this one costarring Bill Haley, whose "Rock Around the Clock" is in its fifth month at the top of the charts. The phenomenal success of Haley's 1954 record, re--released when the song was used over the credits of the hit film The Blackboard Jungle, in some ways certifies the success of the new music and validates its name once and for all as "rock 'n' roll." In subsequent weeks Billboard will note the clever strategy of "Col Tom Parker of Jamboree Attractions, one of the nation's major bookers and promoters of country & western talent, [who] instituted a new policy when he presented a combination of popular and country & western music on a recent one--nighter tour." It might further be noted that Haley and Elvis are advertised on the top half of the poster, above Hank Snow. http://www.randomhouse.com/rhpg/promos/elvisdaybyday/1955.html Steve Pastor ( talk) 00:07, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Elvis' birth certificate spells his middle name 'Aron' while state records (and alleged death records) spell it 'Aaron'. This presents novel questions over the validity of his birth and death records, whether he is (or allegedly was) a US citizen, and whether he was born or died in the USA as many have claimed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.160.178.3 ( talk) 17:49, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
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I would like to write a new section about Elvis entitles "Religious Views." It is based on a book written by his step brother Rick Stanley who grew up with Elvis and who is a friend of mine.
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Not related to Presley, but I want to write a similar section about the singing style of Otis Redding. Can you suggest good books which discuss the singing abilities of several prominent musicians? I just can't find any information about neither his vocal type nor any special vocal styles or vocal ranges. PS: Ref 297 doesn't link to the Reference section when you type it, but I don't know how to fix it. Thanks.-- ♫GoP♫ T C N 15:50, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
"The king's family moves to New York. Not the king of Germany. But Elvis Presley, who would have been Elvis Pressler if Johann Valentin Pressler hadn't changed his name during the Civil War. He made wine in the village of Niederhochstadt in the Southern Palatinate until he moved to the States. A number of descendants of the Pressler family still live in Niederhochstadt today. But Elvis is the most famous descendant of this German family." [19]
I would really love to to know more about Elvis' German heritage--please make ammends within the article. Thank you! Hyperboreer 14:30, 28 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hyperboreer ( talk • contribs)
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Elvis' Middle name is spelled Aron not Aaron. It's a common mistake considering they got it wrong on his gravestone. If you look at his birth certificate it shows the spelling.
Drewguy34 ( talk) 23:54, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
All sources are provided as well, Fact is, that if you see any other artist/celebrity page they have mentioned each of there hall of fame, so we can atleast mention some more important ones? Elvis is inducted in:-
And one more which is not related with music, but still important:-
This article is a vital 1000 article that is a featured article and has not been presented as todays featured article on the main page. I think it should be. When nominated he will be unstoppable (as always). Anybody wants to tidy him up for the event? -- Ettrig ( talk) 19:21, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
The following statements lack supporting citations.
-- Ettrig ( talk) 20:45, 3 December 2011 (UTC)
Elvis Presley is also a pop icon as described in this article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_icon
The information should be added in the second sentence:
"A cultural icon[...]" - "A cultural icon and pop icon[...]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ernio48 ( talk • contribs) 21:46, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Boing! said Zebedee reverted me saying that my sources "do not speak of other 14 year old girls". I disagree because of the following two sources:
On my talk page, BsZ said Daily Mail is generally not a reliable source but Daily Mail has not been blacklisted, plus is used repeatedly accross wikipedia, so that statement is disputable. Pass a Method talk 18:09, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
By the way i found more sources for 14 year old girls;