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Hi there, I saw that there were quite a few articles on EM's novels, so I made [[Category:Elizabeth Moon novels]] and also [[Category:Elizabeth Moon]] to contain it. If you make any new pages for this author please add them to the new categories! Thanks - ben 06:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I have never played D&D, but I am intrigued by the reference to a monster that only appears in D&D rules mentioned about the Deed of Paksenarrion. Can anyone shed any light on that? Such as a name or description? Boesie 19:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Elizabeth Moon's book "Sheepfarmer's Daughter" is now at http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/0671654160/0671654160.htm
I wonder if the article about her should link to it?
The etext is listed on the Online Books page, and I've found they're meticulous about making sure their listings aren't under copyright. So it should be a legal copy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steve Murgaski ( talk • contribs) 07:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
This book and many others were removed from the Baen free library late in 2012, in preparation for when Baen ebooks became available from the iTunes Store. It was not available for free on 8 Feb 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.227.85 ( talk) 10:30, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
I've put a {{ fact}} tag on the statement the Elizabeth Moon says The Deed of Paksenarrion "has nothing to do with FRPG games and had no inspiration from that venue." To be honest, my main motivation is that I would really like to read (or hear) her explanation for the inspiration for one of my favorite trilogies, but a cite for this would improve the article. Cheers, CWC (talk) 14:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
The article currently contains 3 paragraphs written by Elizabeth Moon herself about the background to the Paks/Gird stories. (Search for "(Added by Elizabeth Moon, the author)".) I've sent Ms Moon a copy of that text and suggested she post it on her website. (I gather she's been busy with revisions for the next Vatta novel. [1]) If/when she does that, we should 'encyclopedify' that article by citing and quoting the essay. I'm happy to leave those 3 paragraphs there in the meantime, largely because they give some fascinating insight into the writing of one of the best fantasy series around. Cheers, CWC 11:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I removed this link from the external links section as it was posted by someone with the same name as the author of the blog. I think he was probably just adding it in case anyone was interested, however it don't think it adds to the article factually. Anyone who is interested can read it from here. Refer to WP:LINKS. CaNNoNFoDDa 19:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I linked to her page from Category:Women in the United States Marine Corps but I don't believe that you should link an article like this under female Marines if there is not a reference fact showing that she is a Marine. It is never even mentioned in the article. I will remove it if it isn't added in the next two weeks. Chexmix53 ( talk) 23:23, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the section on the "controversial" remarks Moon made on her blog on 9/11 as it was not based of reliable sources, and thus violates WP:BLP. - BilCat ( talk) 17:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC).
(small break) I came here specifically trying to find information about this incident and was surprised not to find any mention. If one searches google for 'elizabeth moon wiscon', one finds a LOT of discussion on this subject. As such I have re-added the section (under the title 'Controversy', as I felt that 'Anti-Islamic statements and repercussions' was certainly a violation of WP:BLP. I have clarified the timeline to show the clearer connection between her statements, WisCon concom's response, and the subsequent motion from SF3.
I would very much like to find a better link illustrating the community issues with the post (much of it was in Moon's journal, and the comments she deleted; other cites are blog comments and such which would violate WP:BLP). There is a ' Moonfail Roundup' on Dreamwidth that has over 225 links to pro authors, bloggers and WisCon attendees commenting on this issue (on both sides). However going through and counting the calls for Moon to be disinvited would border on original research. It would also bore me to tears. There are a lot of them, though.
However, I would also like to note that WP:BLP is not Thumper's father (to wit: "Thumper! What did your father say to you this morning?" "If you can't say somethin' nice...don't say nothin' at all."). Just because something is unpleasant, if it's corroborated enough, it is still valid for Wikipedia. (admin hat). While there was a lot that could be used in this addition, I stuck with the original post by Moon, the statements from SF3 and WisCon, and comments from authors who are also in Wikipedia (there's been a lot of fan commentia, some of it more incisive, but on this topic I felt that sticking to pro sources was less controversial).-- Thespian ( talk) 22:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I've just drastically shortened the "controversy" section and deleted its heading (merging it back into the "Biography" section). Why? I think the longer coverage violated our
Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View rules, especially the part about undue weight. On a more general note, this looks like a
fan-feud to me, and I hate to see fan-feuds spilling over into Wikipedia unnecessarily — it's bad for Fandom and for Wikipedia. (I guess "unnecessarily" here amounts to "unless they get coverage by fact-checked journalists".) Also, per
WP:BLP, I prefer to say as little as possible about recent controversies until things settle down. In this case, that would mean seeing what public response, if any, Moon has to losing the GoH slot at WisCon 35.
On Kratman: Pretty much every book he's written makes Moon's 9/11 post look like a love letter. (Even he says his first book went too far, being written to an outline from Jim Baen.) I wonder how the "Fail-Fans" would cope with Kratman ... it's probably better for them to remain in ignorance, I think.
As it happens, I was also offended by Moon's 9-11 post, but for different reasons. Cheers,
CWC
08:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I have added a Locus article that says...well, exactly the same thing as all the other sources. But it might put some of your concerns to rest. There simply isn't much coverage of this sort of thing, as fanzines and SF trade media has almost entirely been surrendered to blog-based formats. There really *isn't* any SF trade media these days (I've worked in SF bookstores, and it's frustrating).
I believe, as an admin, that the {{ BLP dispute}} is inappropriate for this article, as the sources that were linked to before my Locus addition were Moon's initial post and two official statements from WisCon. These are absolutely reliable sources for this subject. I am not removing it as I am obviously involved, but I think it's too threatening to people who are genuinely trying to document events that no one argues *happened*. -- Thespian ( talk) 09:42, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
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Familias Regnant universe was PRODed but I think it can be at least redirected here (I've asked for this at REFUND). The series, as Serrano Legacy, has some coverage in [2]. I am not seeing much else on the series, although I expect individual books have some reviews ( ISFDb has Locus reviews for some if not all, for example). @ Cunard, if you find something more we could perhaps (re)create the series page here? Some books have (poor) articles, although most do not (anymore): Hunting Party (novel), Sporting Chance, Winning Colors (novel), Once a Hero (novel) and Change of Command (novel) were boldly redirected recently by User:Just Another Cringy Username, while similarly terrible Rules of Engagement (Elizabeth Moon novel) and Against the Odds (novel) still exist as a stand-alone articles. Given the reviews I see in ISFDb (Locus, Vector (journal) etc.), I expect many could be rescued. I can do the rescuing, perhaps easier if @ Cunard can provide his usual snippets and formatted talk references :) Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:11, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
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Hi there, I saw that there were quite a few articles on EM's novels, so I made [[Category:Elizabeth Moon novels]] and also [[Category:Elizabeth Moon]] to contain it. If you make any new pages for this author please add them to the new categories! Thanks - ben 06:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
I have never played D&D, but I am intrigued by the reference to a monster that only appears in D&D rules mentioned about the Deed of Paksenarrion. Can anyone shed any light on that? Such as a name or description? Boesie 19:14, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Elizabeth Moon's book "Sheepfarmer's Daughter" is now at http://www.webscription.net/10.1125/Baen/0671654160/0671654160.htm
I wonder if the article about her should link to it?
The etext is listed on the Online Books page, and I've found they're meticulous about making sure their listings aren't under copyright. So it should be a legal copy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steve Murgaski ( talk • contribs) 07:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC).
This book and many others were removed from the Baen free library late in 2012, in preparation for when Baen ebooks became available from the iTunes Store. It was not available for free on 8 Feb 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.6.227.85 ( talk) 10:30, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
I've put a {{ fact}} tag on the statement the Elizabeth Moon says The Deed of Paksenarrion "has nothing to do with FRPG games and had no inspiration from that venue." To be honest, my main motivation is that I would really like to read (or hear) her explanation for the inspiration for one of my favorite trilogies, but a cite for this would improve the article. Cheers, CWC (talk) 14:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
The article currently contains 3 paragraphs written by Elizabeth Moon herself about the background to the Paks/Gird stories. (Search for "(Added by Elizabeth Moon, the author)".) I've sent Ms Moon a copy of that text and suggested she post it on her website. (I gather she's been busy with revisions for the next Vatta novel. [1]) If/when she does that, we should 'encyclopedify' that article by citing and quoting the essay. I'm happy to leave those 3 paragraphs there in the meantime, largely because they give some fascinating insight into the writing of one of the best fantasy series around. Cheers, CWC 11:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I removed this link from the external links section as it was posted by someone with the same name as the author of the blog. I think he was probably just adding it in case anyone was interested, however it don't think it adds to the article factually. Anyone who is interested can read it from here. Refer to WP:LINKS. CaNNoNFoDDa 19:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
I linked to her page from Category:Women in the United States Marine Corps but I don't believe that you should link an article like this under female Marines if there is not a reference fact showing that she is a Marine. It is never even mentioned in the article. I will remove it if it isn't added in the next two weeks. Chexmix53 ( talk) 23:23, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the section on the "controversial" remarks Moon made on her blog on 9/11 as it was not based of reliable sources, and thus violates WP:BLP. - BilCat ( talk) 17:39, 30 September 2010 (UTC).
(small break) I came here specifically trying to find information about this incident and was surprised not to find any mention. If one searches google for 'elizabeth moon wiscon', one finds a LOT of discussion on this subject. As such I have re-added the section (under the title 'Controversy', as I felt that 'Anti-Islamic statements and repercussions' was certainly a violation of WP:BLP. I have clarified the timeline to show the clearer connection between her statements, WisCon concom's response, and the subsequent motion from SF3.
I would very much like to find a better link illustrating the community issues with the post (much of it was in Moon's journal, and the comments she deleted; other cites are blog comments and such which would violate WP:BLP). There is a ' Moonfail Roundup' on Dreamwidth that has over 225 links to pro authors, bloggers and WisCon attendees commenting on this issue (on both sides). However going through and counting the calls for Moon to be disinvited would border on original research. It would also bore me to tears. There are a lot of them, though.
However, I would also like to note that WP:BLP is not Thumper's father (to wit: "Thumper! What did your father say to you this morning?" "If you can't say somethin' nice...don't say nothin' at all."). Just because something is unpleasant, if it's corroborated enough, it is still valid for Wikipedia. (admin hat). While there was a lot that could be used in this addition, I stuck with the original post by Moon, the statements from SF3 and WisCon, and comments from authors who are also in Wikipedia (there's been a lot of fan commentia, some of it more incisive, but on this topic I felt that sticking to pro sources was less controversial).-- Thespian ( talk) 22:59, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
I've just drastically shortened the "controversy" section and deleted its heading (merging it back into the "Biography" section). Why? I think the longer coverage violated our
Wikipedia:Neutral Point of View rules, especially the part about undue weight. On a more general note, this looks like a
fan-feud to me, and I hate to see fan-feuds spilling over into Wikipedia unnecessarily — it's bad for Fandom and for Wikipedia. (I guess "unnecessarily" here amounts to "unless they get coverage by fact-checked journalists".) Also, per
WP:BLP, I prefer to say as little as possible about recent controversies until things settle down. In this case, that would mean seeing what public response, if any, Moon has to losing the GoH slot at WisCon 35.
On Kratman: Pretty much every book he's written makes Moon's 9/11 post look like a love letter. (Even he says his first book went too far, being written to an outline from Jim Baen.) I wonder how the "Fail-Fans" would cope with Kratman ... it's probably better for them to remain in ignorance, I think.
As it happens, I was also offended by Moon's 9-11 post, but for different reasons. Cheers,
CWC
08:07, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
I have added a Locus article that says...well, exactly the same thing as all the other sources. But it might put some of your concerns to rest. There simply isn't much coverage of this sort of thing, as fanzines and SF trade media has almost entirely been surrendered to blog-based formats. There really *isn't* any SF trade media these days (I've worked in SF bookstores, and it's frustrating).
I believe, as an admin, that the {{ BLP dispute}} is inappropriate for this article, as the sources that were linked to before my Locus addition were Moon's initial post and two official statements from WisCon. These are absolutely reliable sources for this subject. I am not removing it as I am obviously involved, but I think it's too threatening to people who are genuinely trying to document events that no one argues *happened*. -- Thespian ( talk) 09:42, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
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