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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 19:24, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
The current world map used for the image in the lead is from 2008. Could we replace it with a more current one? Does someone have one available? It might be useful to keep the 2008 image further down below in the main body to show any changes (if there were any significant ones). EMsmile ( talk) 02:48, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
The table used for ranking developed economies is way too large, and is not mobile friendly. On a desktop it massively expands the size of the page. It needs to be trimmed down and broken up into multiple tables. 161.151.254.42 ( talk) 15:39, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
QUOTE: Many developed countries were only seen to have "developed" from the Industrial Age which preceded the age of colonialism, which redistributed the wealth of countries such as India during the British colonisation of India during Europe's rivalry for conquest of the world.[7 END OF QUOTE
India was created by the English rule. And the millions of slave populations were liberated. As of now, literally millions live like worms in India. No one cares about them. The academic creep who wrote the misinformation about the English rule should be made to experience life as a menial servant under the Indian bosses. Current this creep will be earning around 30 to 40 times the earnings of a common citizen in India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.3.188.14 ( talk) 16:31, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Rich in gas, gold and copper, Papua New Guinea is also one of the world's least developed countries. Most of the population lives in remote communities that can be only be reached by aircraft or on foot. Oil, gas and mining account for almost 30% of the country's gross domestic product.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.106.197.230 ( talk) 17:35, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
I removed the criticism section, here's my rationale: this entire section should go, due to WP:NPOV attitude (this article has no praise section, and the one on developing countries, no criticism of them); second, this is OR/poorly referenced - mostly to random newspaper editorials, and not a single source provides a criticism of developed countries as a group, they are mostly rants against one particular country, mashed together ( WP:SYNTH). Arguably the worst as about Korea, some fringe hateful interpretation of Korean Miracle in the form of "Additionally, some countries involvement in proxy wars such as South Korea's involvement in Vietnam secured it $993 million in earnings for siding with American forces, propelling it from a poor country to one of the richest countries on Earth due to undue gains.", referenced to a work about Korean history that mentions numerous reasons for Korea's improvement, in which their involvement in Vietnam was a pretty minor aspect.
This is not to say such a section cannot be restored, but it needs to be based on sources discussing criticism of developed countries as a whole, not on newspaper rants about how one particular country pillaged a colony or several. Criticism of developed countries is very much a thing in scholarly literature, and such a section should discuss stuff related to explanations of international inequality, ex. Dependency theory and World-systems theory.
Since much of the current section was a compilation of newspaper rants (ex. " How Britain Looted $45 Trillion From India", "[Aboriginal Australians 'still suffering effects of colonial past' Aboriginal Australians 'still suffering effects of colonial past']", " Swiss kept billions in looted Nazi gold", "How Korea got Rich", etc.), I removed it per WP:TNT. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:14, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
I see so many pending recognitions on the comparative table sections. What are the pending recognitions? Why there's no explanation about this??? - GogoLion ( talk) 17:03, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Why countries that don't join OECD are called "to be considered"? I mean, OECD is an economic alliance, not really an economic institution. I think IMF and World Bank are enough for the classification. - GogoLion ( talk) 08:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Monaco is shown as not meeting this requirement. That is not true. Perhaps introduce an additional source if missing from the quoted one. 78.61.238.109 ( talk) 14:13, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Returning to an issue previously brought up by @ Piotrus regarding classification. I think that keeping the IMF map in the lead is misleading and it gives undue weight to the methodology used by the organization. IMF should not be used unilaterally as an indicator of a developed country, especially considering their biased reclassification criteria.
Per FAQ on the IMF
website: Reclassification only happens when something marked changes or the case for change in terms of the three criteria above becomes overwhelming. For example, Lithuania joining the euro area was a significant change in circumstances that warranted a reclassification from an emerging market and developing economy to an advanced economy. Most reclassifications in recent years were related to countries joining the euro area.
This language is ambiguous as far as methodology goes and implies that reclassification of countries like Poland or Hungary will (most likely) not happen until they switch to EUR, which is hardly an economically fair standard for "admission".
Polish zloty, for example, is the strongest currency in East Central Europe (outside of Eurozone, of course) and much stronger than
Swedish krona. While the EU dictates an eventual switch to EUR, Poland should not be expected to switch to EUR as a condition to be considered a developed country by the IMF. This is all to say, fine to keep the map in the article, but I propose it be moved from the lead.
Ppt91
talk 19:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Uruguay has a gdp per capita higher than Croatia and Croatia was declared a developed country in 2023 but not Uruguay That does not make sense. Alejandro221 ( talk) 09:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi,It is much important to change the world and livelihoods alike even through wages/salaries how much we all spending in our everyday lives and lot has to be done as inequality on-equality as all shows hudge gaps between the lower income ,the middle income and higher income countries differ a lot and this gives hunger,poverty and unemploment the chance to increase rather than decreasing . Since 1994 and before 1994 south Africans they did struggle to have land for housing and dwellers flea their land were there were kept as slaves of white farmers to near villages,townships formed squatter camps that forced new democraticy with the new government and yes government did subsidize Reconstruction and jobcreation to try to close gaps and wounds of apartheid regime and all what the new government had done is not enough and more must and shall be done but with my little tips and tricks I'll share with you I met two people around in cape town years ago maybe 12 years or 2010 before world kick-off this was man and his wife from Europe Tourism to come visit south Africa so what they said to me is that the agreement between their country and south africa was to develop where black people resides the same as cities and the lifestyles to be the same ,So the questions I ask by them and I asked myself from that day and until now and say what went wrong and why was all suddenly change to demote black people and denial of this changes of freedom to stop discrimination among black and white new generations of one nation of one happy people.Amooketsi Come and Visit my Neighbours . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.113.219.44 ( talk) 15:36, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
The UAE should be classified as “Developed Country”, considering it has a HDI higher than the USA, has a life expectancy higher than Croatia, and has a higher gdppc than UK, Israel, France and etc. Idk why IMF never classified UAE as developed Hongediting2013 ( talk) 07:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 19:24, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
The current world map used for the image in the lead is from 2008. Could we replace it with a more current one? Does someone have one available? It might be useful to keep the 2008 image further down below in the main body to show any changes (if there were any significant ones). EMsmile ( talk) 02:48, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
The table used for ranking developed economies is way too large, and is not mobile friendly. On a desktop it massively expands the size of the page. It needs to be trimmed down and broken up into multiple tables. 161.151.254.42 ( talk) 15:39, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
QUOTE: Many developed countries were only seen to have "developed" from the Industrial Age which preceded the age of colonialism, which redistributed the wealth of countries such as India during the British colonisation of India during Europe's rivalry for conquest of the world.[7 END OF QUOTE
India was created by the English rule. And the millions of slave populations were liberated. As of now, literally millions live like worms in India. No one cares about them. The academic creep who wrote the misinformation about the English rule should be made to experience life as a menial servant under the Indian bosses. Current this creep will be earning around 30 to 40 times the earnings of a common citizen in India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.3.188.14 ( talk) 16:31, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Rich in gas, gold and copper, Papua New Guinea is also one of the world's least developed countries. Most of the population lives in remote communities that can be only be reached by aircraft or on foot. Oil, gas and mining account for almost 30% of the country's gross domestic product.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.106.197.230 ( talk) 17:35, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
I removed the criticism section, here's my rationale: this entire section should go, due to WP:NPOV attitude (this article has no praise section, and the one on developing countries, no criticism of them); second, this is OR/poorly referenced - mostly to random newspaper editorials, and not a single source provides a criticism of developed countries as a group, they are mostly rants against one particular country, mashed together ( WP:SYNTH). Arguably the worst as about Korea, some fringe hateful interpretation of Korean Miracle in the form of "Additionally, some countries involvement in proxy wars such as South Korea's involvement in Vietnam secured it $993 million in earnings for siding with American forces, propelling it from a poor country to one of the richest countries on Earth due to undue gains.", referenced to a work about Korean history that mentions numerous reasons for Korea's improvement, in which their involvement in Vietnam was a pretty minor aspect.
This is not to say such a section cannot be restored, but it needs to be based on sources discussing criticism of developed countries as a whole, not on newspaper rants about how one particular country pillaged a colony or several. Criticism of developed countries is very much a thing in scholarly literature, and such a section should discuss stuff related to explanations of international inequality, ex. Dependency theory and World-systems theory.
Since much of the current section was a compilation of newspaper rants (ex. " How Britain Looted $45 Trillion From India", "[Aboriginal Australians 'still suffering effects of colonial past' Aboriginal Australians 'still suffering effects of colonial past']", " Swiss kept billions in looted Nazi gold", "How Korea got Rich", etc.), I removed it per WP:TNT. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:14, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
I see so many pending recognitions on the comparative table sections. What are the pending recognitions? Why there's no explanation about this??? - GogoLion ( talk) 17:03, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
Why countries that don't join OECD are called "to be considered"? I mean, OECD is an economic alliance, not really an economic institution. I think IMF and World Bank are enough for the classification. - GogoLion ( talk) 08:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Monaco is shown as not meeting this requirement. That is not true. Perhaps introduce an additional source if missing from the quoted one. 78.61.238.109 ( talk) 14:13, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
Returning to an issue previously brought up by @ Piotrus regarding classification. I think that keeping the IMF map in the lead is misleading and it gives undue weight to the methodology used by the organization. IMF should not be used unilaterally as an indicator of a developed country, especially considering their biased reclassification criteria.
Per FAQ on the IMF
website: Reclassification only happens when something marked changes or the case for change in terms of the three criteria above becomes overwhelming. For example, Lithuania joining the euro area was a significant change in circumstances that warranted a reclassification from an emerging market and developing economy to an advanced economy. Most reclassifications in recent years were related to countries joining the euro area.
This language is ambiguous as far as methodology goes and implies that reclassification of countries like Poland or Hungary will (most likely) not happen until they switch to EUR, which is hardly an economically fair standard for "admission".
Polish zloty, for example, is the strongest currency in East Central Europe (outside of Eurozone, of course) and much stronger than
Swedish krona. While the EU dictates an eventual switch to EUR, Poland should not be expected to switch to EUR as a condition to be considered a developed country by the IMF. This is all to say, fine to keep the map in the article, but I propose it be moved from the lead.
Ppt91
talk 19:29, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
Uruguay has a gdp per capita higher than Croatia and Croatia was declared a developed country in 2023 but not Uruguay That does not make sense. Alejandro221 ( talk) 09:44, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi,It is much important to change the world and livelihoods alike even through wages/salaries how much we all spending in our everyday lives and lot has to be done as inequality on-equality as all shows hudge gaps between the lower income ,the middle income and higher income countries differ a lot and this gives hunger,poverty and unemploment the chance to increase rather than decreasing . Since 1994 and before 1994 south Africans they did struggle to have land for housing and dwellers flea their land were there were kept as slaves of white farmers to near villages,townships formed squatter camps that forced new democraticy with the new government and yes government did subsidize Reconstruction and jobcreation to try to close gaps and wounds of apartheid regime and all what the new government had done is not enough and more must and shall be done but with my little tips and tricks I'll share with you I met two people around in cape town years ago maybe 12 years or 2010 before world kick-off this was man and his wife from Europe Tourism to come visit south Africa so what they said to me is that the agreement between their country and south africa was to develop where black people resides the same as cities and the lifestyles to be the same ,So the questions I ask by them and I asked myself from that day and until now and say what went wrong and why was all suddenly change to demote black people and denial of this changes of freedom to stop discrimination among black and white new generations of one nation of one happy people.Amooketsi Come and Visit my Neighbours . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.113.219.44 ( talk) 15:36, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
The UAE should be classified as “Developed Country”, considering it has a HDI higher than the USA, has a life expectancy higher than Croatia, and has a higher gdppc than UK, Israel, France and etc. Idk why IMF never classified UAE as developed Hongediting2013 ( talk) 07:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)