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As a newcomer to this whole area, I have a couple of queries:
Since ren'ai game literally means 'romantic game', isn't it inaccurate to call it a sub-genre of "dating sim"? Isn't it actually the other way around?"dating sim" applies to any sort of romantic anime game, including those which might be specified as ren'ai games
Arigato! - Eyeresist 09:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Ashibaka's argument is basically "it's not English and since 'dating sim' is an excellent equivalent we should be using that". It's not. The games aren't about dating . The games are not simulation games. That's it, really. Omgwtflolz 08:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
The article says "The gameplay involves conversing with a selection of artificial intelligence-controlled girls" this is somewhat incorrect. There is no artificial intelligence involved. It is all a set of predesigned pathways for you to take and its just differing depending on your choices. A pick-a-path book is _not_ artificially intelligent. :p Edited to reflect this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ergzay ( talk • contribs) 02:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC).
I just noticed someone removed the BL game and GxB pages and reverted them here. Now, not only is this page a mess, but the "gender focus" section on the sidebar is obsolete /and/ people are getting confused - I just saw that Angelique had been placed in the "Bishoujo games" category (there are no official Angelique games that involve a male main character dating females). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.193.31.19 ( talk • contribs) 07:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
Since it's basically been settled that dating sims and visual novels are different genres, there's confusion in this article due to visual novels also being called dating sims in the West. Tokimeki Memorial is a dating sim. Kana Imōto is not. I'm going to try and remove the content I can figure out is referring to the other genre, but I'm not quite sure what all of the games mentioned are, so it's rather hard.-- SeizureDog 10:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure of what changed, but I really like the description of sims being based on statistics, and visual novels being choose your own adventures. I thought that was the clearest description I've seen and the easiest distinction. Perhaps we could make that distinction more obvious. 198.96.180.245 17:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree here. Dating-sims usually have a statistic system while visual novels are more choice/flag dependent. Yes there is some meshing but Kana Imouto and most if not all of the other g-collections games are not dating-sims just marketed incorrectly as such. Often a schedule element is included from what I have read? We should have a section on both pages explaining the difference between visual novels/AVGs (yes they are technically different but in English the same) and dating simulations. Jyuichi 06:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
First off, this talk page was a mess. People didn't post their comments in correct order and forgot to sign their posts. I have to move things around a bit to make it easier to follow, hope that doesn't violate any talk page guidelines.
Now on to the topic, I think there is too little information regarding different genres of dating sim.
I would like to ask for all your opinion before making such a big restoration (especially from SeizureDog.) If this is indeed a mistake, then we should restore the section using the most recent copy (and maybe add some information from Yaoi game which was left after the first merge into BL subsection as well.) However, if it was deleted on purpose, I would like to know the reason behind it since it makes the article much shorter and not very informative. - DTRY 18:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
P.S. note that the Japanese Wikipedia has separate articles on BL and GxB (no all pairing though), each has as much content as this current article. Perhaps English eqivalent articles could be revived if people can put more information into them?
I noticed that the Otome game page has a suggestion on it to merge with dating sim. Personally, I don't think it's a good idea, as otome games are targeted towards a total different audience compared to most games referred to as dating sims, and 'dating sims' an accepted genre anyway? I thought there was confusion about what's a sim vs. a visual novel, renai game, etc. -- Lijakaca ( talk) 22:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
It has been suggested (I don't know by whom) that Otome game be merged with this article. I support this merger. SharkD ( talk) 01:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I support this proposal. The entire visual novel family needs to become more consistent. These two are made for each other. Do it soon. ... I'd add that may this entire article should be merged with "Visual Novel", since they largely talk about the same thing. A few stats like charisma and cash on hand are sprinkled throughout the visual novel genre, and make a distinction really useless. Dating sims and visual novels are the same thing. 65.95.157.129 ( talk) 17:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
The term simulation implys some level of realism. I find it not to apply in this case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.148.24.235 ( talk) 17:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Dani Cavallaro's publications have been designated as generally unreliable sources in this discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard. Citations to her work can be replaced with more high-quality ones or removed, and the tag can be taken off once complete. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 20:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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As a newcomer to this whole area, I have a couple of queries:
Since ren'ai game literally means 'romantic game', isn't it inaccurate to call it a sub-genre of "dating sim"? Isn't it actually the other way around?"dating sim" applies to any sort of romantic anime game, including those which might be specified as ren'ai games
Arigato! - Eyeresist 09:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Ashibaka's argument is basically "it's not English and since 'dating sim' is an excellent equivalent we should be using that". It's not. The games aren't about dating . The games are not simulation games. That's it, really. Omgwtflolz 08:20, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
The article says "The gameplay involves conversing with a selection of artificial intelligence-controlled girls" this is somewhat incorrect. There is no artificial intelligence involved. It is all a set of predesigned pathways for you to take and its just differing depending on your choices. A pick-a-path book is _not_ artificially intelligent. :p Edited to reflect this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ergzay ( talk • contribs) 02:12, 7 November 2006 (UTC).
I just noticed someone removed the BL game and GxB pages and reverted them here. Now, not only is this page a mess, but the "gender focus" section on the sidebar is obsolete /and/ people are getting confused - I just saw that Angelique had been placed in the "Bishoujo games" category (there are no official Angelique games that involve a male main character dating females). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.193.31.19 ( talk • contribs) 07:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
Since it's basically been settled that dating sims and visual novels are different genres, there's confusion in this article due to visual novels also being called dating sims in the West. Tokimeki Memorial is a dating sim. Kana Imōto is not. I'm going to try and remove the content I can figure out is referring to the other genre, but I'm not quite sure what all of the games mentioned are, so it's rather hard.-- SeizureDog 10:10, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure of what changed, but I really like the description of sims being based on statistics, and visual novels being choose your own adventures. I thought that was the clearest description I've seen and the easiest distinction. Perhaps we could make that distinction more obvious. 198.96.180.245 17:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I agree here. Dating-sims usually have a statistic system while visual novels are more choice/flag dependent. Yes there is some meshing but Kana Imouto and most if not all of the other g-collections games are not dating-sims just marketed incorrectly as such. Often a schedule element is included from what I have read? We should have a section on both pages explaining the difference between visual novels/AVGs (yes they are technically different but in English the same) and dating simulations. Jyuichi 06:18, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
First off, this talk page was a mess. People didn't post their comments in correct order and forgot to sign their posts. I have to move things around a bit to make it easier to follow, hope that doesn't violate any talk page guidelines.
Now on to the topic, I think there is too little information regarding different genres of dating sim.
I would like to ask for all your opinion before making such a big restoration (especially from SeizureDog.) If this is indeed a mistake, then we should restore the section using the most recent copy (and maybe add some information from Yaoi game which was left after the first merge into BL subsection as well.) However, if it was deleted on purpose, I would like to know the reason behind it since it makes the article much shorter and not very informative. - DTRY 18:30, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
P.S. note that the Japanese Wikipedia has separate articles on BL and GxB (no all pairing though), each has as much content as this current article. Perhaps English eqivalent articles could be revived if people can put more information into them?
I noticed that the Otome game page has a suggestion on it to merge with dating sim. Personally, I don't think it's a good idea, as otome games are targeted towards a total different audience compared to most games referred to as dating sims, and 'dating sims' an accepted genre anyway? I thought there was confusion about what's a sim vs. a visual novel, renai game, etc. -- Lijakaca ( talk) 22:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
It has been suggested (I don't know by whom) that Otome game be merged with this article. I support this merger. SharkD ( talk) 01:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
I support this proposal. The entire visual novel family needs to become more consistent. These two are made for each other. Do it soon. ... I'd add that may this entire article should be merged with "Visual Novel", since they largely talk about the same thing. A few stats like charisma and cash on hand are sprinkled throughout the visual novel genre, and make a distinction really useless. Dating sims and visual novels are the same thing. 65.95.157.129 ( talk) 17:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
The term simulation implys some level of realism. I find it not to apply in this case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.148.24.235 ( talk) 17:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Dani Cavallaro's publications have been designated as generally unreliable sources in this discussion at the reliable sources noticeboard. Citations to her work can be replaced with more high-quality ones or removed, and the tag can be taken off once complete. — TechnoSquirrel69 ( sigh) 20:05, 6 June 2024 (UTC)