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Ladislaus I of Hungary was not the father of
Irene Doukaina. It's pure nonsense. Stalker, please stop disrupting Wikipedia. --
Ghirla
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08:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Obviously she could not be the wife of the emperor John II Komnenos - she was his mother. Please stop reverting abakharev 08:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
If this lineage starts among the Mughals with Shah Jahan, then obviously, his mother was the link. But his mother was the Rajput princess Manmati Bai (1573 - 1619), [1] [2] [3], not someone of Persian birth. So how does this lineage connect with Shah Jahan? Hrishikes ( talk) 01:35, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Boso of Provence was not the grandfather of Rudolph II of Burgundy through his second wife Ermengard of Italy (d/o Emperor Louis II), but through his unknown first wife. See the entry on Boso's daughter Guilla of Provence. Therefore, better to pick a more established route. For example, instead of picking the maternal grandfather of Otto II, Holy Roman Emperor ( Rudolph II of Burgundy), we may pick his paternal grandfather Henry the Fowler, who had descended, through his father, from Pepin of Italy and through his mother, from Louis the Pious (both sons of Charlemagne). Hrishikes ( talk) 15:00, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
However, the issue of notability is more important here than sources (if the matter is notable, a source will exist somewhere and even if not cited in the article, can ultimately be found by someone and inserted). Of more concern is the situation that the lineage is already long-stretched & quite thin and therefore, of dubious notability. To become worthwhile, it requires high degree of notability at the end of the line. If the lineage indeed touches Shah Jahan (unlikely because of his Hindu mother), then the later emperors become included and notability is conferred; but if it reaches Dilrus Banu, then there is no notability. Her son Muhammad Azam Shah ruled for only a few months and got replaced by his half-brother Bahadur Shah I and the line continued with the latter's descendants. For such a long-stretched lineage reaching a emperor of only a few months, notability approaches zero and Delete is the better option. Then, if the source is reliable, the information may be preserved by mentioning a line in the articles on Ismail I and Dilrus Banu. Hrishikes ( talk) 01:49, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. You may remove any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source.
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Ladislaus I of Hungary was not the father of
Irene Doukaina. It's pure nonsense. Stalker, please stop disrupting Wikipedia. --
Ghirla
-трёп-
08:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Obviously she could not be the wife of the emperor John II Komnenos - she was his mother. Please stop reverting abakharev 08:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
If this lineage starts among the Mughals with Shah Jahan, then obviously, his mother was the link. But his mother was the Rajput princess Manmati Bai (1573 - 1619), [1] [2] [3], not someone of Persian birth. So how does this lineage connect with Shah Jahan? Hrishikes ( talk) 01:35, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Boso of Provence was not the grandfather of Rudolph II of Burgundy through his second wife Ermengard of Italy (d/o Emperor Louis II), but through his unknown first wife. See the entry on Boso's daughter Guilla of Provence. Therefore, better to pick a more established route. For example, instead of picking the maternal grandfather of Otto II, Holy Roman Emperor ( Rudolph II of Burgundy), we may pick his paternal grandfather Henry the Fowler, who had descended, through his father, from Pepin of Italy and through his mother, from Louis the Pious (both sons of Charlemagne). Hrishikes ( talk) 15:00, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
However, the issue of notability is more important here than sources (if the matter is notable, a source will exist somewhere and even if not cited in the article, can ultimately be found by someone and inserted). Of more concern is the situation that the lineage is already long-stretched & quite thin and therefore, of dubious notability. To become worthwhile, it requires high degree of notability at the end of the line. If the lineage indeed touches Shah Jahan (unlikely because of his Hindu mother), then the later emperors become included and notability is conferred; but if it reaches Dilrus Banu, then there is no notability. Her son Muhammad Azam Shah ruled for only a few months and got replaced by his half-brother Bahadur Shah I and the line continued with the latter's descendants. For such a long-stretched lineage reaching a emperor of only a few months, notability approaches zero and Delete is the better option. Then, if the source is reliable, the information may be preserved by mentioning a line in the articles on Ismail I and Dilrus Banu. Hrishikes ( talk) 01:49, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. You may remove any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source.