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Not eligible for DYK; may be renominated if it is brought to GA status.
Created by Marcelus ( talk). Self-nominated at 21:27, 24 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Cezary Ketling-Szemley; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Transcluding frome edit summary from milhist reviewer: "b2=information in lede/infobox not in main text". Once this is addressed, the article can be assessed as B-class. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:31, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Nominator: Marcelus ( talk · contribs)
Reviewer: Grnrchst ( talk · contribs) 11:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello there! I'm happy to take this one on for review. Apologies that it took so long for somebody to get around to reviewing this. Per my usual reviewing style, I will give section-by-section comments, followed by a broad check against the GA criteria. --
Grnrchst (
talk) 11:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
"mutually exclusive information"What does this mean? It's unclear.
"not wanting to write "born in the USSR""If he was born in Lviv in 1915, how would he have been born in the USSR?
"Czarno na Białym"This should be in Italics, if it's a periodical.
"it's possible that his patron was Count Jan Szembek"Start a new sentence here. It currently reads like two sentences combined into one.
"the independence conspiracy"What is this? You bring it up like it's common nomenclature, but it's unclear what it even is.
"very early on"Very early on in what? The war? The conspiracy? It also reads a little odd considering this section of the sentence starts with
"later".
"as an organization of leftist patriotic youth"seems like it would be relevant to an article on the PLAN, but doesn't seem to have any direct connection to Szemley. You could cut or at least trim most of this sentence.
"However, most of the scouts of the 23rd squad left the PLAN at the end of 1939 [...]"How is any of this relevant to Szemley?
"(among them were, later shrouded in legend, Tadeusz Zawadzki " Zośka," Jan Bytnar "Rudy" and Aleksy Dawidowski "Alek")"Would make sense to mention this in an article about the PLAN, but in a biography about Szemley, this reads as trivia.
"The PLAN commander was Jerzy Drewnowski"Again, makes sense to mention in an article about the PLAN, but entirely irrelevant to Szemley's biography.
"The PLAN's activities were wide-ranging, the precursor actions to so-called minor sabotage were of great significance, including the spreading of anti-German stickers."Was Szemley involved in any of this? Or was his activities within the PLAN limited to editing Biuletyn Polski?
"The repression also affected the Jewish people, [...]"Again, vital to know this about the PLAN, but what does any of this have to do with Szemley? The only part of this bit that I think is relevant to Szemley's biography is that
"PLAN founders and most members were arrested", as it explains why Szemley took over the reorganisation of the PLAN.
"Apart from the name and a general democratic left-wing profile, [...]"Again, all of this would be relevant to an article on the PLAN, but in an article about Szemley, this should be greatly reduced to only the most relevant information.
"Wacław Barcikowski became the chairman, Stanisław Janusz was the military commander."Why is this relevant to Szemley's biography?
"PLAN II published the magazine Rzeczpospolita (lit. 'Commonwealth') from January 1941 [...]"Did Szemley have anything to do with this publication?
Comment: all of this is relevant to the biography of Szemley because it shows his entire milieu, his methods of opeation, and the shifting character of the PLAN. PLAN II was basically single-handly (at least according to some sources) organised and managed by Szemley; he basically hijacked the already established name for his new organisation. Marcelus ( talk) 18:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
"so-called", you should probably put
"minor sabotage"in quotation marks.
"a general democratic left-wing profile", as you've written here.
"Szemley's contacts with the ŻZW"As this is the first reference to the ŻZW in the body of the article, what it is should be clarified here.
"led by the Jerzy Makowiecki "Malicki" [...]"I think the details about Malicki could be trimmed a bit, just to keep the focus on Szemley.
""I consider Arpad to be a complete psychopath""When did Szemley start going by the pseudonym "Arpad"? As it stands, it's not clear that Malicki is referring to Szemley here.
Comment: Makowiecki links to Alliance of Democrats it's important to show why Szemley was part of his cell; as for Arpad I think it's obvious from the context, also this nickname is mentioned in the body and in the infobox. Fixed the rest. Marcelus ( talk) 18:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
"I consider Arpad [Szemley] to be a complete psychopath". -- Grnrchst ( talk) 08:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
"enemies"Who were these "enemies"? Members of the AK? Nazis?
"Continuing relationship Szemley"Huh? What does "continuing relationship" mean?
"revisionist resistance movement"What does "revisionist" mean in this context?
"Undoubtedly, however, the accounts of aid to Jews in hiding undertaken by PLAN II are most likely true."Right now, this last bit reads to me like a novel interpretation or original research. In particular, the use of the word "Undoubtedly", in wikivoice, seems to be an assertion. Honestly, as doubts about the truth of this never appeared to have been raised before this, consider just cutting this sentence.
"assassination attempt on German informers"Is it necessary to mention all of the informants by name? Are any of them independently notable?
"according to Szemley on his initiative"?
"the fighting ghetto"Hrm? Should this say "the ghetto uprising" or does "fighting ghetto" mean something I'm missing?
"group of"Should say "a group of".
"deconspiration"What does this mean? It's not a word I'm familiar with.
"Another group was helped out by PLAN II member Tadeusz Malinowski to 13 Grzybowska Street through sewers."Is this relevant to Szemley's biography?
"as a result of exposing,"should probably read
"as a result of its exposure,". It's still not clear to me how Malinowski's action is directly related to Szemley's biography. I don't think "it's a PLAN II action, so it's all relevant" is a good enough explanation. (On second read, this sentence is also a bit oddly structured. It should probably read
"Another group was helped out through the sewers by PLAN II member Tadeusz Malinowski to 13 Grzybowska Street") -- Grnrchst ( talk) 08:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
"22 April or later"?
"he was removed from the United People's Party"Any information as to why?
"anti-German conspiracy"What is this? This isn't terminology I'm familiar with. Perhaps it should link to Polish resistance movement in World War II?
"before Warsaw Ghetto Uprising"Should say "before the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising".
"deconspiration"Again, what does this word mean?
"( ŻZW)"Remove the space after the opening bracket.
"Polish People's Army PAL"Again, "PAL" should be in brackets.
"puppet government"This is very loaded language. Should be changed to "Soviet-backed" or something similar.
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria
Cezary Ketling-Szemley has been listed as one of the
History good articles under the
good article criteria. If you can improve it further,
please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can
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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk) 03:36, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
Not eligible for DYK; may be renominated if it is brought to GA status.
Created by Marcelus ( talk). Self-nominated at 21:27, 24 June 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Cezary Ketling-Szemley; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Transcluding frome edit summary from milhist reviewer: "b2=information in lede/infobox not in main text". Once this is addressed, the article can be assessed as B-class. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:31, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Nominator: Marcelus ( talk · contribs)
Reviewer: Grnrchst ( talk · contribs) 11:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Hello there! I'm happy to take this one on for review. Apologies that it took so long for somebody to get around to reviewing this. Per my usual reviewing style, I will give section-by-section comments, followed by a broad check against the GA criteria. --
Grnrchst (
talk) 11:50, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
"mutually exclusive information"What does this mean? It's unclear.
"not wanting to write "born in the USSR""If he was born in Lviv in 1915, how would he have been born in the USSR?
"Czarno na Białym"This should be in Italics, if it's a periodical.
"it's possible that his patron was Count Jan Szembek"Start a new sentence here. It currently reads like two sentences combined into one.
"the independence conspiracy"What is this? You bring it up like it's common nomenclature, but it's unclear what it even is.
"very early on"Very early on in what? The war? The conspiracy? It also reads a little odd considering this section of the sentence starts with
"later".
"as an organization of leftist patriotic youth"seems like it would be relevant to an article on the PLAN, but doesn't seem to have any direct connection to Szemley. You could cut or at least trim most of this sentence.
"However, most of the scouts of the 23rd squad left the PLAN at the end of 1939 [...]"How is any of this relevant to Szemley?
"(among them were, later shrouded in legend, Tadeusz Zawadzki " Zośka," Jan Bytnar "Rudy" and Aleksy Dawidowski "Alek")"Would make sense to mention this in an article about the PLAN, but in a biography about Szemley, this reads as trivia.
"The PLAN commander was Jerzy Drewnowski"Again, makes sense to mention in an article about the PLAN, but entirely irrelevant to Szemley's biography.
"The PLAN's activities were wide-ranging, the precursor actions to so-called minor sabotage were of great significance, including the spreading of anti-German stickers."Was Szemley involved in any of this? Or was his activities within the PLAN limited to editing Biuletyn Polski?
"The repression also affected the Jewish people, [...]"Again, vital to know this about the PLAN, but what does any of this have to do with Szemley? The only part of this bit that I think is relevant to Szemley's biography is that
"PLAN founders and most members were arrested", as it explains why Szemley took over the reorganisation of the PLAN.
"Apart from the name and a general democratic left-wing profile, [...]"Again, all of this would be relevant to an article on the PLAN, but in an article about Szemley, this should be greatly reduced to only the most relevant information.
"Wacław Barcikowski became the chairman, Stanisław Janusz was the military commander."Why is this relevant to Szemley's biography?
"PLAN II published the magazine Rzeczpospolita (lit. 'Commonwealth') from January 1941 [...]"Did Szemley have anything to do with this publication?
Comment: all of this is relevant to the biography of Szemley because it shows his entire milieu, his methods of opeation, and the shifting character of the PLAN. PLAN II was basically single-handly (at least according to some sources) organised and managed by Szemley; he basically hijacked the already established name for his new organisation. Marcelus ( talk) 18:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
"so-called", you should probably put
"minor sabotage"in quotation marks.
"a general democratic left-wing profile", as you've written here.
"Szemley's contacts with the ŻZW"As this is the first reference to the ŻZW in the body of the article, what it is should be clarified here.
"led by the Jerzy Makowiecki "Malicki" [...]"I think the details about Malicki could be trimmed a bit, just to keep the focus on Szemley.
""I consider Arpad to be a complete psychopath""When did Szemley start going by the pseudonym "Arpad"? As it stands, it's not clear that Malicki is referring to Szemley here.
Comment: Makowiecki links to Alliance of Democrats it's important to show why Szemley was part of his cell; as for Arpad I think it's obvious from the context, also this nickname is mentioned in the body and in the infobox. Fixed the rest. Marcelus ( talk) 18:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
"I consider Arpad [Szemley] to be a complete psychopath". -- Grnrchst ( talk) 08:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
"enemies"Who were these "enemies"? Members of the AK? Nazis?
"Continuing relationship Szemley"Huh? What does "continuing relationship" mean?
"revisionist resistance movement"What does "revisionist" mean in this context?
"Undoubtedly, however, the accounts of aid to Jews in hiding undertaken by PLAN II are most likely true."Right now, this last bit reads to me like a novel interpretation or original research. In particular, the use of the word "Undoubtedly", in wikivoice, seems to be an assertion. Honestly, as doubts about the truth of this never appeared to have been raised before this, consider just cutting this sentence.
"assassination attempt on German informers"Is it necessary to mention all of the informants by name? Are any of them independently notable?
"according to Szemley on his initiative"?
"the fighting ghetto"Hrm? Should this say "the ghetto uprising" or does "fighting ghetto" mean something I'm missing?
"group of"Should say "a group of".
"deconspiration"What does this mean? It's not a word I'm familiar with.
"Another group was helped out by PLAN II member Tadeusz Malinowski to 13 Grzybowska Street through sewers."Is this relevant to Szemley's biography?
"as a result of exposing,"should probably read
"as a result of its exposure,". It's still not clear to me how Malinowski's action is directly related to Szemley's biography. I don't think "it's a PLAN II action, so it's all relevant" is a good enough explanation. (On second read, this sentence is also a bit oddly structured. It should probably read
"Another group was helped out through the sewers by PLAN II member Tadeusz Malinowski to 13 Grzybowska Street") -- Grnrchst ( talk) 08:47, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
"22 April or later"?
"he was removed from the United People's Party"Any information as to why?
"anti-German conspiracy"What is this? This isn't terminology I'm familiar with. Perhaps it should link to Polish resistance movement in World War II?
"before Warsaw Ghetto Uprising"Should say "before the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising".
"deconspiration"Again, what does this word mean?
"( ŻZW)"Remove the space after the opening bracket.
"Polish People's Army PAL"Again, "PAL" should be in brackets.
"puppet government"This is very loaded language. Should be changed to "Soviet-backed" or something similar.
GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria