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Germany ( Eastern part ) Still in it ? I doubt it
Article merged to East-Central Europe. Montessquieu ( talk) 21:35, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
All these "median-like" terms are not well-established. What we need is an article which lists and compares various attempts to define new geopolitical zone (or zones) in Europe, with proper references to sources which explain and justify the corresponding terms, not just use them. I suggest the article title Geopolitical divisions of Europe, which will give only summaries of relatively well-established terms like Central Europe, but go in detail for various neologisms. `' Míkka >t 17:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Friends, please do not treat "Central and Eastern Europe" as a geography article combining "Central Europe" and "Eastern Europe". The article clearly states in the first sentence that "Central and Eastern Europe" is a political-economic term characterizing basically the former Communist (or Socialist) countries in Europe. Initially, CEE (accepted abbreviation) applied to former Socialist countries in Europe lying west of the post-WWII border with the former USSR. Eventually, the term was broadened to include the three Baltic states, which chose not to join the CIS and thus by default shifted to CEE. All transition countries in Europe and Central Asia today are classified either as CIS (12 former Soviet republics excluding the Baltic states) or CEE (the exact count varies depending on the number of entities in former Yugoslavia, but it always includes the new EU members as well as all the accession candidates). The Wikipedia article East-Central Europe is conceptually very close to CEE, although the map in this article does not include the Baltic states. However, the accepted usage in transition and development studies today is definitely CEE, because the abbreviation ECE for "East-Central Europe" is ambiguous: it normally stands for the Economic Council of Europe. Based on these considerations, I will make an attempt to edit Central and Eastern Europe, but at this stage my version will be far from definitive, so the stub template remains (but not a geography stub!). Let's continue this discussion, shall we? -- Zlerman ( talk) 07:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
http://itonews.eu/en/central-eastern-europe-it-outsourcing-review/2007/central-eastern-europe-it-outsourcing-review-2007/index.html http://blogcampcee.com/about/cee http://www.cee-spi.com/ http://www.ceemarket.com/ http://internetcee.com/program http://www.hope4cee.org/about/countries.html http://globalvoicesonline.org/-/world/eastern-central-europe/ http://www.ssees.ucl.ac.uk/general.htm I'm not sure which definition (including or excluding four post-USSR countries) is more spread. But anyway both definitions should be present in the Wikipedia article -- 2008 Nov 2, Oleksandr Demchenko
Why are East-Central Europe and this article separate? They deal with the same topic, why not merge?- J.Logan` t: 14:45, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
The topic of this article are the various military and political controversies regarding this part of Europe during and after World War II. The topic is not "Central and Eastern Europe", which sounds more like the title of a Baedecker's travel guide -- it needs to be changed to a more pertinent title. Moreover, the introduction to the article does not discuss what the article is about -- this needs to be corrected. Strongly suggest the contributors to article review
Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Suggested names for the article could be:
These are unwieldy titles, which point to a further problem -- the scope of this article is very broad -- most of these issues deserve their own article, and if such articles already exist, then the encyclopedic value of rolling up all of these issues into a single article is questionable. Cheers, W. B. Wilson ( talk) 09:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
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Germany ( Eastern part ) Still in it ? I doubt it
Article merged to East-Central Europe. Montessquieu ( talk) 21:35, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
All these "median-like" terms are not well-established. What we need is an article which lists and compares various attempts to define new geopolitical zone (or zones) in Europe, with proper references to sources which explain and justify the corresponding terms, not just use them. I suggest the article title Geopolitical divisions of Europe, which will give only summaries of relatively well-established terms like Central Europe, but go in detail for various neologisms. `' Míkka >t 17:11, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Friends, please do not treat "Central and Eastern Europe" as a geography article combining "Central Europe" and "Eastern Europe". The article clearly states in the first sentence that "Central and Eastern Europe" is a political-economic term characterizing basically the former Communist (or Socialist) countries in Europe. Initially, CEE (accepted abbreviation) applied to former Socialist countries in Europe lying west of the post-WWII border with the former USSR. Eventually, the term was broadened to include the three Baltic states, which chose not to join the CIS and thus by default shifted to CEE. All transition countries in Europe and Central Asia today are classified either as CIS (12 former Soviet republics excluding the Baltic states) or CEE (the exact count varies depending on the number of entities in former Yugoslavia, but it always includes the new EU members as well as all the accession candidates). The Wikipedia article East-Central Europe is conceptually very close to CEE, although the map in this article does not include the Baltic states. However, the accepted usage in transition and development studies today is definitely CEE, because the abbreviation ECE for "East-Central Europe" is ambiguous: it normally stands for the Economic Council of Europe. Based on these considerations, I will make an attempt to edit Central and Eastern Europe, but at this stage my version will be far from definitive, so the stub template remains (but not a geography stub!). Let's continue this discussion, shall we? -- Zlerman ( talk) 07:15, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
http://itonews.eu/en/central-eastern-europe-it-outsourcing-review/2007/central-eastern-europe-it-outsourcing-review-2007/index.html http://blogcampcee.com/about/cee http://www.cee-spi.com/ http://www.ceemarket.com/ http://internetcee.com/program http://www.hope4cee.org/about/countries.html http://globalvoicesonline.org/-/world/eastern-central-europe/ http://www.ssees.ucl.ac.uk/general.htm I'm not sure which definition (including or excluding four post-USSR countries) is more spread. But anyway both definitions should be present in the Wikipedia article -- 2008 Nov 2, Oleksandr Demchenko
Why are East-Central Europe and this article separate? They deal with the same topic, why not merge?- J.Logan` t: 14:45, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
The topic of this article are the various military and political controversies regarding this part of Europe during and after World War II. The topic is not "Central and Eastern Europe", which sounds more like the title of a Baedecker's travel guide -- it needs to be changed to a more pertinent title. Moreover, the introduction to the article does not discuss what the article is about -- this needs to be corrected. Strongly suggest the contributors to article review
Wikipedia:Manual of Style. Suggested names for the article could be:
These are unwieldy titles, which point to a further problem -- the scope of this article is very broad -- most of these issues deserve their own article, and if such articles already exist, then the encyclopedic value of rolling up all of these issues into a single article is questionable. Cheers, W. B. Wilson ( talk) 09:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Dr. Holzner has reviewed this Wikipedia page, and provided us with the following comments to improve its quality:
No further information apart from the region's definition
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The map of supposed division of Europe has been removed as it is not cited or sourced to anything reliable there is a wooly claim of 'historical sub-divisions' but without attribution. This is a bad map and should not be included as it implants modern boundaries on what is being claimed to be historical information, and worse still has not citing of any sources or claims of verifiability for the information contained within the map. PicturePerfect666 ( talk) 06:21, 29 December 2023 (UTC)