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probably needs a stub tag.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 14:54, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Just a reminder to all editors, WP:BLP should be excruciatingly studied before adding material on this person, who has already reported threats to his safety. Per WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:BLPPRIVACY, primary sources should not be used, especially ones that include personal details. We should avoid victimization by only including the facts most pertinent and widely reported, or even omitting some reported details as appropriate. The dignity and safety of human beings always comes before writing a meticulously detailed article. --Animalparty! ( talk) 23:20, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
It is important to mention Cameron Kasky is a Jew, just as it has been noted on Emma González’s page she is a Cuban-American. It is not a minority view or POV to state someone is a minority, when there are sources that document it. In addition, readers might be interested to know Kasky is Jewish, given the name of the movement he founded “Never Again” is usually associated with the Holocaust. I can’t see any reason to delete mention of Kasky’s Jewish background, when there are reliable references such as The Forward and Jewish Telegraphic Agency. The New York Times stated last year, “The Forward has chronicled the experiences of Jews in the United States for 120 years.” And in that article, the editor-in-chief stated, “We want to be accurate and fair and passionate in our journalism, but we don’t want to inflame.” [1] The only reason I can think of NOT to mention Kasky is Jewish is if it might increase anti-Semitic attacks against him. Unless there is a more well established source showing The Forward is not a notable, well established, reliable source, I think editors shouldn't delete that reference. WP:BLP, WP:NEWSORG - JJMM ( talk) 19:58, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
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The sources don't emphasize he is jewish. Linking Never Again MSD to the holocaust is just OR and needs to be kept out. Legacypac ( talk) 22:17, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Please stop this discussion. There is one questionable source and even if it is correct, the whole thing smacks of racism. Cameron Kansky is an American human committed to preventing gun deaths, and that does not require an ethnic label. Legacypac ( talk) 23:49, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
More important, it's original research. No, it is not. WP:SYNTHESIS reads "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." He formed the group Never Again MSD but we are not implying that his being Jewish bears any relation to his formation of that group. And by the way, if it is antisemitic now, why would it not be antisemitic if he
cites the Torah? Or would his citing of the Torah compel us to override the intrinsic antisemitism in mentioning that he is Jewish? Bus stop ( talk) 19:06, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
Numerous sources have reported that Kasky is Jewish, and claiming that mentioning it is "antisemitic" is baseless confused nonsense. -- Jibal ( talk) 07:05, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
He's definitely Jewish (see link). All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 21:27, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
The page says his birthday is in 2000/2001, but it is November 11, (Redacted). His twitter ( https://twitter.com/cameron_kasky) gives the day, and the news always reports him as 18, which gives the year. 134.114.223.239 ( talk) 08:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Tomwsulcer added Kasky criticized president
Donald Trump, whom he described as a "professional liar" who will "say anything to appease whatever crowd he's at", after Trump addressed the annual
NRA convention in Dallas in May 2018.
[1]
[2], and I removed because it's
trivial. ("Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are.")
Tomwsulcer reverted it, with the explanation "this is not trivial but an important part of Kasky's advocacy." What about this is significant? How is calling Trump a liar an important part of his advocacy? --
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Trump is lying regarding his position with gun policyThat's not what the article says. All it says is that he called Trump a liar. There is no critique present of any of Trump's positions; it's merely an ad hominem attack. If you want to bring in a critique Kasky has made of Trump's positions, we can talk about that, but that's not what we're talking about. Right now, it's just Kasky calling Trump a liar. -- irn ( talk) 16:28, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
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Should the following statement be excluded or included?-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 09:07, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. [...] Not every match played or goal scored is significant enough to be included in the biography of a person.We can simply change out "match played or goal scored" for "statement made or opinion reported on". It adds nothing to the article. It's just his opinion about a political opponent. It doesn’t even address what he thinks Trump is lying about. There was no reaction and there have been no consequences to him making this statement, and it provides the reader with no insight into Kasky. All it tells us is that he thinks that someone he disagrees with is a liar. That's useless, and all the more so because just about everyone who disagrees with Trump thinks that Trump is a liar. -- irn ( talk) 13:31, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
from whom he receives moneyand
contradicting statements Trump made after the Parkland shooting that he would be open to gun control reform and taking on the NRAis WP:SYNTH. Can't find it in the sources. wumbolo ^^^ 12:57, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
The sources merely quote the subject. This does not mean we should add it to the article. The sources should be commenting on the quotes for them to qualify for inclusion.And I was posing a simple question to Wumbolo about why that would lead to inclusion of the "professional liar" quotation. -- irn ( talk) 14:09, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
I wish to add a detail with Kasky’s interaction with Sen. Rubio. In the townhall debate, he equated the Republican Senator to the shooter, saying “Senator Rubio, it's hard to look at you and not look down the barrel on an AR-15 and not look at Nikolas Cruz.” This is a Source https://www.teenvogue.com/story/a-parkland-survivor-directly-asked-marco-rubio-about-nra-donations-and-the-internet-lost-it. It’s also caught on video through different media. TheTBirdusThoracis ( talk) 18:11, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
I do not see how necessary the Reactons section is for this article. It deeply implies a bias for the subject in question. It only offers opinion pieces on Kasky’s performance at the CNN town hall which I personally found disturbing and offensive. The purpose of a biography is to highlight key events in a person’s life and accomplishments not be a pedestal for a person to grandstand off of. TheTBirdusThoracis ( talk) 18:16, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
Since the famous CNN Townhall with Marco Rubio, Cameron Kasky has stated he regretted the way he conducted himself towards Marco Rubio and its reported he has apologized to him. He has not changed his stance politically but just wish he approached the conversation differently. Would it be appropriate to add a sentence on that? [1] [2] Dy3o2 ( talk) 05:10, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
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probably needs a stub tag.-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 14:54, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
Just a reminder to all editors, WP:BLP should be excruciatingly studied before adding material on this person, who has already reported threats to his safety. Per WP:BLPPRIMARY and WP:BLPPRIVACY, primary sources should not be used, especially ones that include personal details. We should avoid victimization by only including the facts most pertinent and widely reported, or even omitting some reported details as appropriate. The dignity and safety of human beings always comes before writing a meticulously detailed article. --Animalparty! ( talk) 23:20, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
It is important to mention Cameron Kasky is a Jew, just as it has been noted on Emma González’s page she is a Cuban-American. It is not a minority view or POV to state someone is a minority, when there are sources that document it. In addition, readers might be interested to know Kasky is Jewish, given the name of the movement he founded “Never Again” is usually associated with the Holocaust. I can’t see any reason to delete mention of Kasky’s Jewish background, when there are reliable references such as The Forward and Jewish Telegraphic Agency. The New York Times stated last year, “The Forward has chronicled the experiences of Jews in the United States for 120 years.” And in that article, the editor-in-chief stated, “We want to be accurate and fair and passionate in our journalism, but we don’t want to inflame.” [1] The only reason I can think of NOT to mention Kasky is Jewish is if it might increase anti-Semitic attacks against him. Unless there is a more well established source showing The Forward is not a notable, well established, reliable source, I think editors shouldn't delete that reference. WP:BLP, WP:NEWSORG - JJMM ( talk) 19:58, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
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The sources don't emphasize he is jewish. Linking Never Again MSD to the holocaust is just OR and needs to be kept out. Legacypac ( talk) 22:17, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Please stop this discussion. There is one questionable source and even if it is correct, the whole thing smacks of racism. Cameron Kansky is an American human committed to preventing gun deaths, and that does not require an ethnic label. Legacypac ( talk) 23:49, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
More important, it's original research. No, it is not. WP:SYNTHESIS reads "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." He formed the group Never Again MSD but we are not implying that his being Jewish bears any relation to his formation of that group. And by the way, if it is antisemitic now, why would it not be antisemitic if he
cites the Torah? Or would his citing of the Torah compel us to override the intrinsic antisemitism in mentioning that he is Jewish? Bus stop ( talk) 19:06, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
Numerous sources have reported that Kasky is Jewish, and claiming that mentioning it is "antisemitic" is baseless confused nonsense. -- Jibal ( talk) 07:05, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
He's definitely Jewish (see link). All Hallow's Wraith ( talk) 21:27, 26 October 2018 (UTC)
The page says his birthday is in 2000/2001, but it is November 11, (Redacted). His twitter ( https://twitter.com/cameron_kasky) gives the day, and the news always reports him as 18, which gives the year. 134.114.223.239 ( talk) 08:40, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
Tomwsulcer added Kasky criticized president
Donald Trump, whom he described as a "professional liar" who will "say anything to appease whatever crowd he's at", after Trump addressed the annual
NRA convention in Dallas in May 2018.
[1]
[2], and I removed because it's
trivial. ("Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are.")
Tomwsulcer reverted it, with the explanation "this is not trivial but an important part of Kasky's advocacy." What about this is significant? How is calling Trump a liar an important part of his advocacy? --
irn (
talk)
21:11, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
Trump is lying regarding his position with gun policyThat's not what the article says. All it says is that he called Trump a liar. There is no critique present of any of Trump's positions; it's merely an ad hominem attack. If you want to bring in a critique Kasky has made of Trump's positions, we can talk about that, but that's not what we're talking about. Right now, it's just Kasky calling Trump a liar. -- irn ( talk) 16:28, 8 May 2018 (UTC)
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There is a clear consensus that the statement should be included for being relevant to his activism and being widely covered by reliable sources.
Should the following statement be excluded or included?-- Tomwsulcer ( talk) 09:07, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. [...] Not every match played or goal scored is significant enough to be included in the biography of a person.We can simply change out "match played or goal scored" for "statement made or opinion reported on". It adds nothing to the article. It's just his opinion about a political opponent. It doesn’t even address what he thinks Trump is lying about. There was no reaction and there have been no consequences to him making this statement, and it provides the reader with no insight into Kasky. All it tells us is that he thinks that someone he disagrees with is a liar. That's useless, and all the more so because just about everyone who disagrees with Trump thinks that Trump is a liar. -- irn ( talk) 13:31, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
from whom he receives moneyand
contradicting statements Trump made after the Parkland shooting that he would be open to gun control reform and taking on the NRAis WP:SYNTH. Can't find it in the sources. wumbolo ^^^ 12:57, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
The sources merely quote the subject. This does not mean we should add it to the article. The sources should be commenting on the quotes for them to qualify for inclusion.And I was posing a simple question to Wumbolo about why that would lead to inclusion of the "professional liar" quotation. -- irn ( talk) 14:09, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
I wish to add a detail with Kasky’s interaction with Sen. Rubio. In the townhall debate, he equated the Republican Senator to the shooter, saying “Senator Rubio, it's hard to look at you and not look down the barrel on an AR-15 and not look at Nikolas Cruz.” This is a Source https://www.teenvogue.com/story/a-parkland-survivor-directly-asked-marco-rubio-about-nra-donations-and-the-internet-lost-it. It’s also caught on video through different media. TheTBirdusThoracis ( talk) 18:11, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
I do not see how necessary the Reactons section is for this article. It deeply implies a bias for the subject in question. It only offers opinion pieces on Kasky’s performance at the CNN town hall which I personally found disturbing and offensive. The purpose of a biography is to highlight key events in a person’s life and accomplishments not be a pedestal for a person to grandstand off of. TheTBirdusThoracis ( talk) 18:16, 19 May 2018 (UTC)
Since the famous CNN Townhall with Marco Rubio, Cameron Kasky has stated he regretted the way he conducted himself towards Marco Rubio and its reported he has apologized to him. He has not changed his stance politically but just wish he approached the conversation differently. Would it be appropriate to add a sentence on that? [1] [2] Dy3o2 ( talk) 05:10, 3 June 2019 (UTC)