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I'm a bit confused by what makes this man notable. His development of the Carmel Valley or his film job? I'm not questioning his notability (at least, not yet), but the article doesn't seem to go into detail on why we have an article on him. Griffinofwales ( talk) Simple English Wikipedia - Come and join! 13:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Byington Ford was a major force in developing Pebble Beach, Carmel Woods, and the Carmel Valley Village and airfield. He created the Carmel Realty Company. He was a baseball player and coach in the Carmel Abalone League and acted in and directed over 45 plays in Carmel. He was a major part of the social circle in the Monterey Peninsula. His ancestry dates back to the French Huguenots. Greg Henderson 17:31, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
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Ford developed the first airpark of its kind in the United States. [1] -- Greg Henderson ( talk) 16:14, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
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" Tirey Lafayette Ford", Published on Dec 13, 2018, by Greg Henderson:
This is a story about Tirey Lafayette Ford, and his rise from a schoolboy in Missouri to coming to California and getting his law degree, becoming District Attorney, California State Senator, and then Attorney General. Since Tirey accomplished so many things in his lifetime, I felt it was important to write them down as part of our family history. His son, Byington Ford was my grandfather. We corresponded through letters in the later years of his life. Byington was also a remarkable man who served in two world wars, helped develop Pebble Beach, the Carmel Valley airport, and the Carmel Valley Village in California.
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Greg Henderson ( talk) 23:24, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
another example of mora modeling his sculpture after living people is the series of bronze figures he made of the three daughters of "Bying and Mairon Ford of Pebble Beachis of no addition to notability than a sculpture of pineapple of aisle 3 from Albertson's of hickville, nowhere adds to notability of that particular pineapple. Graywalls ( talk) 23:54, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
without the ref tag, that way the |isbn=
parameter can be easily included (and the template easily filled out - although not always with older isbn's, but that's another topic for another forum. Stick to the Worldcat URL to easily populate the template's parameters). Regards,
Spintendo
03:50, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
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Actually I meant something like this:
- Barratt, Elizabeth (2010). Images of America Carmel Valley. Charleston, S.C.: Arcadia Publishing. p. 107. ISBN 9780738571621. OCLC 712588705.
- Cardwell, Kenneth H. (1983). Bernard Maybeck: artisan, architect, artist. Salt Lake City: Gibbs M. Smith, Inc. p. 183. ISBN 9780879051488. OCLC 9927889.
- Fink, Augusta (2000). Monterey County: The Dramatic Story of its Past. Valley Publishers. p. 202. ISBN 9780913548622. OCLC 5771731.
- Frost, John W. (2007). Monterey Peninsula's sporting heritage. Charleston, S.C.: Arcadia Pub. p. 15. ISBN 9780738555898. OCLC 166367432.
- Hale, Sharron Lee (1980). A Tribute to Yesterday: The History of Carmel, Carmel Valley, Big Sur, Point Lobos, Carmelite Monastery, and Los Burros. Santa Cruz: Valley Publishers. pp. 48, 59, 79, 112, 185. ISBN 9780913548738. OCLC 7244103.
Not knowing what any of these books are for, or why they're being listed here, I figure a "catchall" section like Biblio would probably work best (for me to use in my example above — what you're wanting to use it for though might need another title like References, I can't say for sure.). Spintendo 06:21, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
@
Graywalls: Of the sources I singled out as being the best here, Barratt and Frost, neither of those fit your definition of being hyper-local sphere where everyone-knows-everyone where everyone writes about each other
, so this observation certainly shouldn't have come from anything I've said. Both of those publications discuss photographs and postcards relevant to the region, and thus, offer straight historiography about the area which is not-easily assailable. Both authors are California locals who are familiar with California-topics. Frost, who has a doctorate in History, is much more reliable when discussing historically-significant California photographs than an author whose interest and experience was in, for example New Jersey, might be. As I stated earlier, it was unknown to me what the purpose of this listing of publications was for ("Not knowing what any of these books are for, or why they're being listed here..."
); I was merely commenting on the strength of the sources listed therein.
[a] And while I feel that your observation was misplaced, I do agree with your general sentiment along those lines, in that a dubious sort of reference material does exist in the publications-realm, and that those sources ought to be assiduously avoided.
Notes
The citations provided below offer substantial and in-depth coverage directly related to the article's subjectbut then they failed to identify the "direct relation" that these sources have and/or had with any particular text within the Wikipedia article. That left their listing of them in the request "floating" — leaving reviewers (like me) to wonder "Should they be tied to existing text? Or tied to desired text?" This is because every proposal submitted here on the talk page needs to be tied to state of affairs — either an existing state of affairs that the COI editor proposes to be changed, or a desired state of affairs that the COI editor proposes to be implemented — one of those two things. The COI editor failed to specify either, so the list of sources they placed in their request ended up "floating" — leaving me to wonder why they were being mentioned in the first place.
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Greg Henderson ( talk) 23:30, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
In response to a note added to my talk page, my main concern with the inclusion of this material, is that it may put undue emphasis on biographical aspects the article subject wishes to highlight about themselves if it hasn't been covered by independent sources. Of course, if a consensus can be gained for its inclusion, I'm willing to yield to that. Left guide ( talk) 03:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
What do you think?He continued his education at UC Berkeley, where he graduated with a Masters of Arts degree in 1913.
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@ Graywalls: By removing the Notes section you caused a Cite error.
* Add Notelist before the References section.
"==Notes=="
"Notelist" with brackets {{}}This is done
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Please update the infobox with the following:
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I'm a bit confused by what makes this man notable. His development of the Carmel Valley or his film job? I'm not questioning his notability (at least, not yet), but the article doesn't seem to go into detail on why we have an article on him. Griffinofwales ( talk) Simple English Wikipedia - Come and join! 13:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
Byington Ford was a major force in developing Pebble Beach, Carmel Woods, and the Carmel Valley Village and airfield. He created the Carmel Realty Company. He was a baseball player and coach in the Carmel Abalone League and acted in and directed over 45 plays in Carmel. He was a major part of the social circle in the Monterey Peninsula. His ancestry dates back to the French Huguenots. Greg Henderson 17:31, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
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Ford developed the first airpark of its kind in the United States. [1] -- Greg Henderson ( talk) 16:14, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
References
" Tirey Lafayette Ford", Published on Dec 13, 2018, by Greg Henderson:
This is a story about Tirey Lafayette Ford, and his rise from a schoolboy in Missouri to coming to California and getting his law degree, becoming District Attorney, California State Senator, and then Attorney General. Since Tirey accomplished so many things in his lifetime, I felt it was important to write them down as part of our family history. His son, Byington Ford was my grandfather. We corresponded through letters in the later years of his life. Byington was also a remarkable man who served in two world wars, helped develop Pebble Beach, the Carmel Valley airport, and the Carmel Valley Village in California.
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Greg Henderson ( talk) 23:24, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
another example of mora modeling his sculpture after living people is the series of bronze figures he made of the three daughters of "Bying and Mairon Ford of Pebble Beachis of no addition to notability than a sculpture of pineapple of aisle 3 from Albertson's of hickville, nowhere adds to notability of that particular pineapple. Graywalls ( talk) 23:54, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
without the ref tag, that way the |isbn=
parameter can be easily included (and the template easily filled out - although not always with older isbn's, but that's another topic for another forum. Stick to the Worldcat URL to easily populate the template's parameters). Regards,
Spintendo
03:50, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
References
Actually I meant something like this:
- Barratt, Elizabeth (2010). Images of America Carmel Valley. Charleston, S.C.: Arcadia Publishing. p. 107. ISBN 9780738571621. OCLC 712588705.
- Cardwell, Kenneth H. (1983). Bernard Maybeck: artisan, architect, artist. Salt Lake City: Gibbs M. Smith, Inc. p. 183. ISBN 9780879051488. OCLC 9927889.
- Fink, Augusta (2000). Monterey County: The Dramatic Story of its Past. Valley Publishers. p. 202. ISBN 9780913548622. OCLC 5771731.
- Frost, John W. (2007). Monterey Peninsula's sporting heritage. Charleston, S.C.: Arcadia Pub. p. 15. ISBN 9780738555898. OCLC 166367432.
- Hale, Sharron Lee (1980). A Tribute to Yesterday: The History of Carmel, Carmel Valley, Big Sur, Point Lobos, Carmelite Monastery, and Los Burros. Santa Cruz: Valley Publishers. pp. 48, 59, 79, 112, 185. ISBN 9780913548738. OCLC 7244103.
Not knowing what any of these books are for, or why they're being listed here, I figure a "catchall" section like Biblio would probably work best (for me to use in my example above — what you're wanting to use it for though might need another title like References, I can't say for sure.). Spintendo 06:21, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
@
Graywalls: Of the sources I singled out as being the best here, Barratt and Frost, neither of those fit your definition of being hyper-local sphere where everyone-knows-everyone where everyone writes about each other
, so this observation certainly shouldn't have come from anything I've said. Both of those publications discuss photographs and postcards relevant to the region, and thus, offer straight historiography about the area which is not-easily assailable. Both authors are California locals who are familiar with California-topics. Frost, who has a doctorate in History, is much more reliable when discussing historically-significant California photographs than an author whose interest and experience was in, for example New Jersey, might be. As I stated earlier, it was unknown to me what the purpose of this listing of publications was for ("Not knowing what any of these books are for, or why they're being listed here..."
); I was merely commenting on the strength of the sources listed therein.
[a] And while I feel that your observation was misplaced, I do agree with your general sentiment along those lines, in that a dubious sort of reference material does exist in the publications-realm, and that those sources ought to be assiduously avoided.
Notes
The citations provided below offer substantial and in-depth coverage directly related to the article's subjectbut then they failed to identify the "direct relation" that these sources have and/or had with any particular text within the Wikipedia article. That left their listing of them in the request "floating" — leaving reviewers (like me) to wonder "Should they be tied to existing text? Or tied to desired text?" This is because every proposal submitted here on the talk page needs to be tied to state of affairs — either an existing state of affairs that the COI editor proposes to be changed, or a desired state of affairs that the COI editor proposes to be implemented — one of those two things. The COI editor failed to specify either, so the list of sources they placed in their request ended up "floating" — leaving me to wonder why they were being mentioned in the first place.
Regards, Spintendo 03:51, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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Greg Henderson ( talk) 23:30, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
In response to a note added to my talk page, my main concern with the inclusion of this material, is that it may put undue emphasis on biographical aspects the article subject wishes to highlight about themselves if it hasn't been covered by independent sources. Of course, if a consensus can be gained for its inclusion, I'm willing to yield to that. Left guide ( talk) 03:27, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
What do you think?He continued his education at UC Berkeley, where he graduated with a Masters of Arts degree in 1913.
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Greg Henderson ( talk) 00:25, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Greg Henderson ( talk) 01:10, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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Greg Henderson ( talk) 00:34, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
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Greg Henderson ( talk) 23:46, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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@ Graywalls: By removing the Notes section you caused a Cite error.
* Add Notelist before the References section.
"==Notes=="
"Notelist" with brackets {{}}This is done
.
Greg Henderson (
talk)
16:13, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Please update the infobox with the following:
Greg Henderson ( talk) 22:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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