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I have serious reservations about the existence of this article at all. And in the state it's in, it's plain speculation. I am copying over something I wrote on Talk:South Wales in response to a question about it:
When I wrote that, I didn't know (although I should have guessed) that there was an article already. I stand by what I put. And this is an appalling article. If it is a news event, it does not yet belong in Wikipedia. If it is supposed to be encyclopaedic, it is failing miserably. There is no general context, no explanation of what "cluster" means, and no justification for including the details of the private lives of named people in it whatsoever. If they were alive, the WP:LIVING policy would undoubtedly apply. In fact, I see no reason why it doesn't apply anyway.
If you want to write a Wikipedia article about why people kill themselves, and how it can be that apparent clusters occur, read the sociology, psychology, psychiatry and medical statistics literature, and write an article based on those. If you have never heard of the reporting guidelines on suicide, there are some guidelines here. And in the meantime, this article needs fixing or (ideally, in my mind) deleting.
Telsa (talk) 23:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
This page is noteworthy, although perhaps not because of the events (suicides happen all the time, and at what point they become a 'spate' is debatable). However this created a huge media storm, and if something is that well documented on national television, radio and in most of the UK's best selling newspapers, all for several months, then it has been made noteworthy on Wikipedia, even if the events themselves are considered trivial or impertenant. If only as a test case of the workings of the media, this page is particularly relevent and should definitely remain. Wikipedia has no obligation to cater for the sensitivities surrounding such a case, and should document it objectively. Mtaylor848 ( talk) 23:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
hello, as someone who knew personally some of the mentioned in this article and also the woman who's name has been added and quoted without her knowledge i feel compelled to pass comment, this was a harrowing time for many involved and their loved ones, and the media contribution made it worse and also destroyed the name of the town, i , along with many would like to see this removed, the comments Re linking the incidents and mentions of a cult are very unfair and untrue, these ideas were created by the media only and only sensationalized the tragedies, it will be in good taste and decency to either remove this piece or at least make it factual, it should not be something to be recorded as part of Bridgend's history, the families and friends ,. aad the town have been through enough — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilad77 ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
The number of 79 victims from People magazine should be backed by an official source. The numbers where
The fact that it was considered news-worthy that 2 people commtted suicide in January 2010 suggests that there where few cases then. If in fact the number was 79 two years later, that would mean that from February 2010 on there was the real peak of cases. Police asked the media to stop covering the suicides, but some did cover them anyway. So the big question is why did nobody besides the People magazine reported about the reportedly 51 cases from 2010-2012? And that even now, 4 years later? -- 88.75.28.159 ( talk) 23:22, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
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I'm thinking of linking to this study somehow: https://orca.cf.ac.uk/53883/1/Scourfield.pdf
I agree with comments at the top of this talk page. This article is not very good. It doesn't explain suicide clusters; it doesn't explain the media's role in the deaths; it gets the number of deaths wrong; etc etc. DanBCDanBC ( talk) 16:34, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
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I have serious reservations about the existence of this article at all. And in the state it's in, it's plain speculation. I am copying over something I wrote on Talk:South Wales in response to a question about it:
When I wrote that, I didn't know (although I should have guessed) that there was an article already. I stand by what I put. And this is an appalling article. If it is a news event, it does not yet belong in Wikipedia. If it is supposed to be encyclopaedic, it is failing miserably. There is no general context, no explanation of what "cluster" means, and no justification for including the details of the private lives of named people in it whatsoever. If they were alive, the WP:LIVING policy would undoubtedly apply. In fact, I see no reason why it doesn't apply anyway.
If you want to write a Wikipedia article about why people kill themselves, and how it can be that apparent clusters occur, read the sociology, psychology, psychiatry and medical statistics literature, and write an article based on those. If you have never heard of the reporting guidelines on suicide, there are some guidelines here. And in the meantime, this article needs fixing or (ideally, in my mind) deleting.
Telsa (talk) 23:58, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
This page is noteworthy, although perhaps not because of the events (suicides happen all the time, and at what point they become a 'spate' is debatable). However this created a huge media storm, and if something is that well documented on national television, radio and in most of the UK's best selling newspapers, all for several months, then it has been made noteworthy on Wikipedia, even if the events themselves are considered trivial or impertenant. If only as a test case of the workings of the media, this page is particularly relevent and should definitely remain. Wikipedia has no obligation to cater for the sensitivities surrounding such a case, and should document it objectively. Mtaylor848 ( talk) 23:38, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
hello, as someone who knew personally some of the mentioned in this article and also the woman who's name has been added and quoted without her knowledge i feel compelled to pass comment, this was a harrowing time for many involved and their loved ones, and the media contribution made it worse and also destroyed the name of the town, i , along with many would like to see this removed, the comments Re linking the incidents and mentions of a cult are very unfair and untrue, these ideas were created by the media only and only sensationalized the tragedies, it will be in good taste and decency to either remove this piece or at least make it factual, it should not be something to be recorded as part of Bridgend's history, the families and friends ,. aad the town have been through enough — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lilad77 ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
The number of 79 victims from People magazine should be backed by an official source. The numbers where
The fact that it was considered news-worthy that 2 people commtted suicide in January 2010 suggests that there where few cases then. If in fact the number was 79 two years later, that would mean that from February 2010 on there was the real peak of cases. Police asked the media to stop covering the suicides, but some did cover them anyway. So the big question is why did nobody besides the People magazine reported about the reportedly 51 cases from 2010-2012? And that even now, 4 years later? -- 88.75.28.159 ( talk) 23:22, 4 January 2016 (UTC)
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I'm thinking of linking to this study somehow: https://orca.cf.ac.uk/53883/1/Scourfield.pdf
I agree with comments at the top of this talk page. This article is not very good. It doesn't explain suicide clusters; it doesn't explain the media's role in the deaths; it gets the number of deaths wrong; etc etc. DanBCDanBC ( talk) 16:34, 13 January 2017 (UTC)