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The most recent page modification seems to contain politically charged language and may possibly be in violation of NPOV and possibly OR. Assertions that the party is far right (by whom?) despite the label being rejected for usage when it has been suggested in the past for this article, and claims that Reform UK wishes to return Britain to “19th Century Victorian values”, oppose “the accepted norms of society” and believes its views “should be enforced throughout society” (have they said this? Where?) without adequate citations to support these claims. I do not mean to assume bad faith, but it does seem to take the least charitable interpretation of the policies, and seems to be specifically designed to “nudge” the reader to think or to perceive the party in a particular way. The only citations provided for these are Reform’s manifesto. Citing the manifesto when making claims like these is fundamentally inadequate evidence.
If there is evidence to back up these claims, that isn’t just an interpretation of the manifesto, this should be cited in the article. 2A00:23EE:1080:BDF0:21C2:4DDD:1BA0:E1BF ( talk) 20:03, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
The article opens with "Reform UK is a right-wing populist political party in the United Kingdom." as the characterization of the party. I find the use of the term " Populism" to be inconsistent with articles on other political parties in the UK or elsewhere, like the UK's Labour party or the US's Democratic and Republican party, which would fit the description for Left-wing populist or right-wing populist, and yet it is not mentioned in their wikipages' opening. I'm not sure how to approach this issue, whether the issue is with this wikipage or a broader issue with the term populism and its appropriation to different political parties. Removing the term populist from this article will make it consistent with other articles of political parties, but it will disregard the fact that there are clear populist elements to the party. Perhaps a change in phrasing along the lines of "Reform UK is a right wing political party in the United Kingdom." but including the party's populist aspect later on in the article would be the best solution? In-fact i'm not sure it is reasonable to characterize any party, right or left, as a populist party in the opening description of that party's article, though it is important to reference in the article. Casual readers will only read the first, opening paragraph and will characterize the party accordingly. Thewildshoe ( talk) 15:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Galdrack: I deleted the material because I could not find it in the ‘Our contract with You’. Please direct me to the actual webpage/s and wording/s which you are relying on. Sweet6970 ( talk) 14:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
In its manifesto it supports military might and military action, celebration of flags and symbols, is in favour of patriotic language and what it describes as traditional British values.
military might and military action, . I have looked through the ‘Contract’ , and also the webpage you linked to, and I cannot find anything which could support this.
celebration of flags and symbols
Variations on "British Culture/British Values/Christian Values" or otherwise appear numerous times throughout the document.
government intervention in independent organisations such as the BBC, National Trust, schools and universities to ensure that views with which it agrees are given prominence and views which it opposes are blocked.
It has used the slogan ‘Make Britain Great’ which is similar to that used by Donald Trump, for whom its leaders have expressed support.
I guess direct support for the military is more clear and jingoistic fervor?I can’t find anything in the ‘Contract’ about this. There is some mention of support for military veterans – this is not support for ‘military might’ or ‘military action’. I also don’t see anything which could be described as ‘celebration of flags and symbols’.
Sorry, I am having major trouble with my keyboard and I can’t give you a proper reply at present. Sweet6970 ( talk) 12:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
The party has issued Our Contract with You, which they describe as a ‘working draft’. As at May 2024, this expressed their support for British values, and their intention to support military veterans. It included commitments to proportional representation, reforming the House of Lords, leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, and abolishing the BBC licence fee. It mentions the party’s opposition to Critical Race Theory, and to the idea that there are more than 2 sexes or genders.
The party has used the slogan ‘Make Britain Great’ which is similar to that used by Donald Trump, for whom its leaders have expressed support.
In the absence of any objections, I have now made the changes. Sweet6970 ( talk) 10:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Reference: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/01/05/in-the-uk-the-far-right-reform-uk-party-hopes-to-capitalize-on-the-conservatives-weakness_6402317_4.html 83.100.131.250 ( talk) 12:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Is there a reason why in the infobox REF is listed as 0 HoC seats when Lee Anderson is a current REF MP for Ashfield? REF has 1 seat on the HoC wiki page: House of Commons of the United Kingdom LGHend ( talk) 10:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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The most recent page modification seems to contain politically charged language and may possibly be in violation of NPOV and possibly OR. Assertions that the party is far right (by whom?) despite the label being rejected for usage when it has been suggested in the past for this article, and claims that Reform UK wishes to return Britain to “19th Century Victorian values”, oppose “the accepted norms of society” and believes its views “should be enforced throughout society” (have they said this? Where?) without adequate citations to support these claims. I do not mean to assume bad faith, but it does seem to take the least charitable interpretation of the policies, and seems to be specifically designed to “nudge” the reader to think or to perceive the party in a particular way. The only citations provided for these are Reform’s manifesto. Citing the manifesto when making claims like these is fundamentally inadequate evidence.
If there is evidence to back up these claims, that isn’t just an interpretation of the manifesto, this should be cited in the article. 2A00:23EE:1080:BDF0:21C2:4DDD:1BA0:E1BF ( talk) 20:03, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
The article opens with "Reform UK is a right-wing populist political party in the United Kingdom." as the characterization of the party. I find the use of the term " Populism" to be inconsistent with articles on other political parties in the UK or elsewhere, like the UK's Labour party or the US's Democratic and Republican party, which would fit the description for Left-wing populist or right-wing populist, and yet it is not mentioned in their wikipages' opening. I'm not sure how to approach this issue, whether the issue is with this wikipage or a broader issue with the term populism and its appropriation to different political parties. Removing the term populist from this article will make it consistent with other articles of political parties, but it will disregard the fact that there are clear populist elements to the party. Perhaps a change in phrasing along the lines of "Reform UK is a right wing political party in the United Kingdom." but including the party's populist aspect later on in the article would be the best solution? In-fact i'm not sure it is reasonable to characterize any party, right or left, as a populist party in the opening description of that party's article, though it is important to reference in the article. Casual readers will only read the first, opening paragraph and will characterize the party accordingly. Thewildshoe ( talk) 15:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
@ Galdrack: I deleted the material because I could not find it in the ‘Our contract with You’. Please direct me to the actual webpage/s and wording/s which you are relying on. Sweet6970 ( talk) 14:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
In its manifesto it supports military might and military action, celebration of flags and symbols, is in favour of patriotic language and what it describes as traditional British values.
military might and military action, . I have looked through the ‘Contract’ , and also the webpage you linked to, and I cannot find anything which could support this.
celebration of flags and symbols
Variations on "British Culture/British Values/Christian Values" or otherwise appear numerous times throughout the document.
government intervention in independent organisations such as the BBC, National Trust, schools and universities to ensure that views with which it agrees are given prominence and views which it opposes are blocked.
It has used the slogan ‘Make Britain Great’ which is similar to that used by Donald Trump, for whom its leaders have expressed support.
I guess direct support for the military is more clear and jingoistic fervor?I can’t find anything in the ‘Contract’ about this. There is some mention of support for military veterans – this is not support for ‘military might’ or ‘military action’. I also don’t see anything which could be described as ‘celebration of flags and symbols’.
Sorry, I am having major trouble with my keyboard and I can’t give you a proper reply at present. Sweet6970 ( talk) 12:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
The party has issued Our Contract with You, which they describe as a ‘working draft’. As at May 2024, this expressed their support for British values, and their intention to support military veterans. It included commitments to proportional representation, reforming the House of Lords, leaving the European Convention on Human Rights, and abolishing the BBC licence fee. It mentions the party’s opposition to Critical Race Theory, and to the idea that there are more than 2 sexes or genders.
The party has used the slogan ‘Make Britain Great’ which is similar to that used by Donald Trump, for whom its leaders have expressed support.
In the absence of any objections, I have now made the changes. Sweet6970 ( talk) 10:14, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
Reference: https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/01/05/in-the-uk-the-far-right-reform-uk-party-hopes-to-capitalize-on-the-conservatives-weakness_6402317_4.html 83.100.131.250 ( talk) 12:49, 23 May 2024 (UTC)
Is there a reason why in the infobox REF is listed as 0 HoC seats when Lee Anderson is a current REF MP for Ashfield? REF has 1 seat on the HoC wiki page: House of Commons of the United Kingdom LGHend ( talk) 10:14, 30 May 2024 (UTC)