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I'm a bit confused. The article title says 1944-45, but the article itself says 1943-1944. Which is correct? - Etoile 00:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
At the moment, citing Gailey, we have 65,000 troops and 44,000 dead. However the AWM website says: "At the surrender it was found that in November 1944 there had been 42,000 Japanese on the island. At the surrender in September 1945, 23,571 were left; 8,500 died in battle and 9,800 of disease and malnutrition." [1] I wonder where Gailey gets the other 23-24,000 from. Grant | Talk 16:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I see that this article has been nominated for a GA review. I have a number of concerns about this. Firstly, this was done without consultation. While I understand that anyone can nominate an article for GA, I think it is best to notify the article's main contributors beforehand. That is a minor point, though, and I understand that the nominator was only acting on good faith, so I will move on. My main concern is the fact that I don't believe that the article is ready for GAN. I say this as the article's main contributor. It is missing a lot of things, for instance: the strategic context of the fighting (background), description of terrain/geography, logistics, air operations, aftermath/analysis, etc. There is a lot more that could be written here. I intend to add this to the article eventually, however, I am not in a position to do so at the moment. Unless someone has the inclination to add this information, I think that the GA nomination should simply be removed as I fear that without it, it won't be successful and it will simply be wasting a reviewer's time. As such, I propose to remove the nomination. I will wait for some feedback on this proposal before doing so, though. If I haven't heard anything by tomorrow night (it is currently 8:00 pm Sunday here), I will go ahead and remove the nomination. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 10:46, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
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The article seems to heavily focus on the American viewpoint of the campaign, it is riddled with photos of American officers who took part in the campaign (their "hip" nicknames included). The description of the second photo of the January–February 1944: Encircling Rabaul segment is borderline POV. The reference to the Thanksgiving Day as well as Eleanor Roosevelt's column My Day also seems out of place since it only resonates with American readers. I also spotted some peacock language, example below: "With experience learned in previous invasions and extremely detailed staff work, the landings went off with great efficiency." Furthermore the article lists an insane number of locations without using enough wikilinks and overuses direct quotations.-- Catlemur ( talk) 20:47, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
The article mentions the carrier attack of 5 November 1943 but not the one of 11 November. See Bombing of_Rabaul_(November 1943)#Carrier attacks. Although the latter raid occurred after Japanese withdrawal of warships, should not the 11 November raid be mentioned as well? — Kablammo ( talk) 12:31, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru ( talk) 13:21, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Bougainville Campaign →
Bougainville campaign – Case fix per discussion at
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Archive_151#Campaign_article_titles and
Talk:Tunisian_campaign#Requested_move_16_June_2019, since these are not proper names, and are by far more often lowercase in sources.
Dicklyon (
talk) 14:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
And also:- Norwegian Campaign → Norwegian campaign – Case fix per discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Archive_151#Campaign_article_titles and Talk:Tunisian_campaign#Requested_move_16_June_2019, since these are not proper names, and are by far more often lowercase in sources. Dicklyon ( talk) 14:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
As with the last bunch moved (see Talk:Tunisian_campaign#Requested_move_16_June_2019), these, like other campaigns, are not treated by sources as proper names. See book usage stats:
For details on when to capitalize on Wikipedia, see the manual of style sections on capital letters ...You will note (and can confirm) that the link in that text is to MOS:CAPS. At WP:AT, what it does say is:
as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources. Regards, Cinderella157 ( talk) 11:09, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Advice on how to move forward is welcome. Two other RMs are now open at Talk:Balkans_Campaign and Talk:Italian_Campaign, which have in common with this one just an unexplainable objection by Quirkle to a technical move request. There has been a broad consensus to abide by WP:NCCAPS, and to acknowledge that sources show these are not proper names, so we ought to just move forward and fix the stragglers, but such objections tie up a lot of user attention in redundant pointless RM discussions. Ideas? Dicklyon ( talk) 21:28, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
The point, User:Dicklyon, is that MOS:CAPS has no bearing on this issue.You ask the question (above) and it has been answered, with the quotes you have explicitly requested. Unless these are are significant misrepresentation or grossly in error (and you have not indicated either), your persistence to claim they are otherwise has the appearance of being vexatious. Cinderella157 ( talk) 10:56, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
This is a fine article that appears well on its way to A status. Particularly for beefing up the introduction, my book South Pacific Cauldron, published in 2014 by the Naval Institute Press, could be of much use in providing background not available elsewhere. For instance, based on archival research, the book tells in great detail the remarkable story of the suicide of the designated commander, Marine Major General Charles Barrett, immediately before the invasion, covered up by a fabricated court of inquiry proceeding approved by Halsey. The book, which comprehends the entire So Pac campaign up to the Japanese surrender, should be of value at many other points in the article as well. Despite favorable review, it has flown under the Wikipedia radar here and elsewhere. AuthorNote AuthorNote ( talk) 14:46, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
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I'm a bit confused. The article title says 1944-45, but the article itself says 1943-1944. Which is correct? - Etoile 00:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
At the moment, citing Gailey, we have 65,000 troops and 44,000 dead. However the AWM website says: "At the surrender it was found that in November 1944 there had been 42,000 Japanese on the island. At the surrender in September 1945, 23,571 were left; 8,500 died in battle and 9,800 of disease and malnutrition." [1] I wonder where Gailey gets the other 23-24,000 from. Grant | Talk 16:09, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Hello, I see that this article has been nominated for a GA review. I have a number of concerns about this. Firstly, this was done without consultation. While I understand that anyone can nominate an article for GA, I think it is best to notify the article's main contributors beforehand. That is a minor point, though, and I understand that the nominator was only acting on good faith, so I will move on. My main concern is the fact that I don't believe that the article is ready for GAN. I say this as the article's main contributor. It is missing a lot of things, for instance: the strategic context of the fighting (background), description of terrain/geography, logistics, air operations, aftermath/analysis, etc. There is a lot more that could be written here. I intend to add this to the article eventually, however, I am not in a position to do so at the moment. Unless someone has the inclination to add this information, I think that the GA nomination should simply be removed as I fear that without it, it won't be successful and it will simply be wasting a reviewer's time. As such, I propose to remove the nomination. I will wait for some feedback on this proposal before doing so, though. If I haven't heard anything by tomorrow night (it is currently 8:00 pm Sunday here), I will go ahead and remove the nomination. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 10:46, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
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The article seems to heavily focus on the American viewpoint of the campaign, it is riddled with photos of American officers who took part in the campaign (their "hip" nicknames included). The description of the second photo of the January–February 1944: Encircling Rabaul segment is borderline POV. The reference to the Thanksgiving Day as well as Eleanor Roosevelt's column My Day also seems out of place since it only resonates with American readers. I also spotted some peacock language, example below: "With experience learned in previous invasions and extremely detailed staff work, the landings went off with great efficiency." Furthermore the article lists an insane number of locations without using enough wikilinks and overuses direct quotations.-- Catlemur ( talk) 20:47, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
The article mentions the carrier attack of 5 November 1943 but not the one of 11 November. See Bombing of_Rabaul_(November 1943)#Carrier attacks. Although the latter raid occurred after Japanese withdrawal of warships, should not the 11 November raid be mentioned as well? — Kablammo ( talk) 12:31, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved — Amakuru ( talk) 13:21, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Bougainville Campaign →
Bougainville campaign – Case fix per discussion at
Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Archive_151#Campaign_article_titles and
Talk:Tunisian_campaign#Requested_move_16_June_2019, since these are not proper names, and are by far more often lowercase in sources.
Dicklyon (
talk) 14:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
And also:- Norwegian Campaign → Norwegian campaign – Case fix per discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Archive_151#Campaign_article_titles and Talk:Tunisian_campaign#Requested_move_16_June_2019, since these are not proper names, and are by far more often lowercase in sources. Dicklyon ( talk) 14:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
As with the last bunch moved (see Talk:Tunisian_campaign#Requested_move_16_June_2019), these, like other campaigns, are not treated by sources as proper names. See book usage stats:
For details on when to capitalize on Wikipedia, see the manual of style sections on capital letters ...You will note (and can confirm) that the link in that text is to MOS:CAPS. At WP:AT, what it does say is:
as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources. Regards, Cinderella157 ( talk) 11:09, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
Advice on how to move forward is welcome. Two other RMs are now open at Talk:Balkans_Campaign and Talk:Italian_Campaign, which have in common with this one just an unexplainable objection by Quirkle to a technical move request. There has been a broad consensus to abide by WP:NCCAPS, and to acknowledge that sources show these are not proper names, so we ought to just move forward and fix the stragglers, but such objections tie up a lot of user attention in redundant pointless RM discussions. Ideas? Dicklyon ( talk) 21:28, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
The point, User:Dicklyon, is that MOS:CAPS has no bearing on this issue.You ask the question (above) and it has been answered, with the quotes you have explicitly requested. Unless these are are significant misrepresentation or grossly in error (and you have not indicated either), your persistence to claim they are otherwise has the appearance of being vexatious. Cinderella157 ( talk) 10:56, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
This is a fine article that appears well on its way to A status. Particularly for beefing up the introduction, my book South Pacific Cauldron, published in 2014 by the Naval Institute Press, could be of much use in providing background not available elsewhere. For instance, based on archival research, the book tells in great detail the remarkable story of the suicide of the designated commander, Marine Major General Charles Barrett, immediately before the invasion, covered up by a fabricated court of inquiry proceeding approved by Halsey. The book, which comprehends the entire So Pac campaign up to the Japanese surrender, should be of value at many other points in the article as well. Despite favorable review, it has flown under the Wikipedia radar here and elsewhere. AuthorNote AuthorNote ( talk) 14:46, 25 April 2021 (UTC)