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For years now Belgium has always stood at the top spot of the Globalization Index, the 2009 index has just been released and Belgium is once again in the top spot of 156 countries. More info can be found here [1] I think it could be interesting to include in the article since it illustrates an important aspect of Belgian society. But I wasn't sure where to put it so I'm just mentioning it here. -- Lamadude ( talk) 12:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
[2] - SSJ ☎ 22:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Dear all, I have recorded this file: with the Standard Belgian Dutch pronunciation of "Koninkrijk België". I just don't now where to put it in the article, anybody an idea? -- Hooiwind ( talk) 09:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
The OECD HQ is in Paris, not Brussels as stated in the first paragraph. 86.165.67.134 ( talk) 21:02, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Often, general statements are made on 'Belgium' whereas a much more accurate presentation of the facts would be to distinguish according to the communities (as for Pisa-rankings on education, where Flanders is appreciated in the top-5 of the ranking, whereas the French-speaking educations is in the 2nd half. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudi Dierick ( talk • contribs) 21:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
"Its local language until shortly before Belgium's independence used to be Dutch, (...)" — that is simply not true. Dutch was till the first half of the 20th century the most spoken language, only after Belgian independance Brussels became a bilingual city and only after the 50s French overtook Dutch in which is now the Capital Region. Hooiwind ( talk) 09:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
81.243.25.190 ( talk) 11:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC) false the capital (brussels) is both Dutch and French, with about equal numbers. the French speaking part is the southern part (wallonie), and the Dutch speaking part is the northern part (Vlaanderen). Dutch being used a bit more then French. on the eastern part there is a small piece that used to be Germany (the "oostkantons"), where the language is German there are in fact 3 official languages Dutch French German
Nicht ganz klar . Was ist mit Deutsch ? Ist das wörklich eine Statssprache /Amtssprache in Brussel oder ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.27.5.206 ( talk) 09:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Why do you use German here in the English Wikipedia ? And then with two mistakes in one sentence (wirklich; Staatssprache).-- 136.8.152.12 ( talk) 14:45, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Isn't it necessary to add Dutch: België, French: Belgique, German: Belgien' in the first sentence as well, or is that going to be too long? To my opinion it is a wikipedia convention to implement this anyway. Secondly, I'd like to suggest that we start the article with the following: Belgium( Dutch: België, French: Belgique, German: Belgien), officially the Kingdom of Belgium, ... This way of writing has been used as well in equivalent articles such as those of the United Kingdom, France or any other country. I suppose nobody solely uses 'Kingdom of Belgium' to address this country in common language. -- Keffertje08 ( talk) 22:06, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Why isn't Walloon an official language of Belgium, or even of Wallonia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlefatboy ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
It says that Belgium has been called the "cockpit of Europe". The problem is that while he meant the place where cocks fight, most people will understand it to mean cockpit, the place where a pilot sits in an airplane. We either have to rephrase this or get rid of it, because it's misleading in its current form. Oreo Priest talk 14:03, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if it is a good reason (but why not?) but in French the word cockpit means also "place a pilot sits" and abolutely not "battle ground"... José Fontaine ( talk) 14:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Why does this article display the 13:15 version of the flag? It is effectively never used (see discussion at FOTW). I think we should put the "civil" flag at the top as it is basically the ubiquitous version. Oreo Priest talk 21:45, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
A second issue is that I think FOTW might have the proportions wrong; it seems to be 15 tall : 13 wide, whereas FOTW's image (and ours) is 15 wide : 13 tall. Look these images: ( [3], [4], [5], [6] and File:Paleis brussel2.jpg). They are all from government buildings and they all seem (to me at least) to be taller than they are wide. On the FOTW page, the Consul General of Belgium in Jerusalem insists that the 2:3 one is normally flown but that the official one is always used on the Royal Palace of Brussels, which is what is shown in the last two photos. Thoughts? Oreo Priest talk 21:45, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
(undent) Wow. Actually, that flag is 17:21 which is about 12:15, compared with 10:15 for 2:3 and 13:15, which looks much more square. More troublesome is that it's neither of the two that FOTW suggests. As the pictures above show, the Royal Palace clearly flies a flag that is taller than it is wide, which was not the file we had earlier either. I'll keep looking into this. Oreo Priest talk 05:34, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
In the aftermath of the first World War, the Prussian districts of Eupen and Malmedy were annexed by Belgium in 1925, thereby causing the presence of a German-speaking minority.
It is true, that these districts have been annexed by Belgium after a plebescite, but: 1. The area of Malmédy, Stavelot and Waismes is French-speaking. 2. The annexation of the districts of Eupen-Malmédy is not the reason for the existence of a "German"-speaking minority (Whether Luxembourgish and Ripuarian can be considered "German" is a different topic). The city of Arlon and the area along the Luxembourgish border is Luxembourgish-speaking (as is the district of St. Vith in the annexed "German"-speaking region, which is about half of the "German"-speaking region) - these areas belonged to Belgium since it's independence from the Netherlands, meaning there has always been a "German" speaking (or at least "writing") minority. (By the way: If Luxembourgish is not considered German, almost half of the present-day German speaking community/area is not German-speaking). Johnny2323 ( talk) 01:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I read the initial guidelines of the article. I am including this file since it bears the name of Belgium in a non-official insignia. This file relates to the concept of relationship of Belgium with the world as a whole.Thanks-- Camilo Sanchez ( talk) 06:19, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Is it already know who will take Van Rompuy's seat as the Prime Minister of Belgium and when? The article makes no mention of a succession. Tomeasy T C 15:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
The article states in its introduction that Belgium at the end of the 19th century possessed several colonies. To my knowledge Belgium has only had one, being The Belgian Congo and this as of 1908 when the previously "Congo Free State" who was supposedly independant but in fact private property of King Leopold II of Belgium was taken over / handed over to the state. Other than the Congo, Belgium has been mandated by the League of Nations in 1926 to control the former German Colonies Rwanda-Urundi after World War I, (similar to South Africa for Namibia I think), but they were only in an administrative union with the Congo until 1960, and in they 1946 became the status of UN Trust Territory. Boerkevitz ( talk) 20:36, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
The reasons given for the conflict are only a very small part of what the conflict is about. The main reasons has to do with how dutch speaking people have been treated since before the existence of Belgium. To explain this matter so one can fully understand is very difficult. You must know that originally the only official language of Belgium was french. Bert9 ( talk) 03:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
The conflict has always been a relationship between unequals. Years and years of legal inequality and maltreatment has lead to resentment, strife and harsh feelings toward the "former master".-- Buster7 ( talk) 06:53, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Yves Leterme is now the PM of Belgium so it would make sense if the picture of Van Rompuy Was Replaced By Yves Leterme´s picture —Preceding unsigned comment added by Craigzomack ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
There's an inconsistency in this article where it says in the second paragraph that Belgium is divided into two linguistic groups, Flemish and French speakers. The Wikipedia article that 'Flemish' links to defines Flemings as those living in Flanders. There are, of course, also Dutch speakers outside of Flanders, particularly in Brussels.
As a Dutch speaker in Brussels I'd prefer to see the mention of 'Flemish' in the second paragraph changed to 'Dutch speakers' as we often don't think of ourselves as Flemish in Brussels (even though the Flemish government and French speakers try to tell us we are, all the time!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.169.73.175 ( talk) 18:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Per WP..... Gerardus Mercator was born Gerard de Kremer or de Cremer in the Flemish town of Rupelmonde to parents from Gangelt in the Duchy of Jülich. He was not German. Suggestion:Rather than deleting appropriate images from this article, and thereby lessening the articles value, editors should consider adding informational images to Belarus and Hungary and, thereby, improving their value. Buster7 ( talk) 17:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Several sections of the article, most notably the History and Science and technology sections, are lacking in references. I think that this needs to be addressed so as not to endanger the article's featured article status. Cordless Larry ( talk) 18:28, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
A map of the Eurozone (Belgium is a member) has been added. It seems to be a standard useful information. Obviously, the introduction informs the reader about the EU membership (second sentence). I believe the high priority which is credited here needs support in the article. Seniorfox ( talk) 21:26, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
( ←) I thought about it a bit yesterday, and I thought something representing Belgium (Antwerp) being the centre of the world diamond trade would be good. I thought this image or something like it would be great, but unfortunately there's no free image that's any good. Oreo Priest talk 11:26, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
User:Fmph has claimed in an edit that the climate of Belgium is like that of much of northwest Europe. I suggest use of the "northwest Europe" label is not a good idea. The definition of Northwest Europe is vague and can include Scandinavia. I wonder if use of the highly technical Koppen classification (its use is mentioned in the article) to draw such a broad conclusion is correct. I've reverted per WP:BRD for the moment. LemonMonday Talk 11:57, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Is Belgium in northwest Europe? if so, is the climate the same?
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I fully agree with this revert. Indeed, neither Belgium, nor the definition of Northwest Europe is mentioned in the source, and thus deriving the statement from a little map in the source is a classic example of wp:SYNT, and thus wp:OR. Besides, we all know that Belgium's climate is significantly different from that of, say, Scotland. Good call, LemonMonday. - DVdm ( talk) 23:22, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The point I was trying to make was in response to your asking me if I am "suggesting that all these (and many more) need to go." If you think that there is something wrong with some article against my interpretation of wp:OR and/or wp:SYNTH, then feel free to go fix it, but in doing so, watch out for wp:POINT. If that needs more elucidation, then look at bullet#4 of the Examples (to which I added someting):
I noticed that you opened a help request about this, but you did not mention that the discussion is mainly about whether the countries belong to Northwest Europe or not. I have left a note at the help request page. DVdm ( talk) 15:15, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Why is it important, to know the climate is the same across northwest Europe? GoodDay ( talk) 15:25, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
I have opened a new discussion in relation to this dispute at
Reliables Sources NB.
Fmph (
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The climate of Belgium, a country clearly in Northwest Europe, obtains a moderating influence and rainfall in each month, by the near presence of sea or ocean surface - like that of Scotland and of Scandinavian countries, here above apparently having been seen as if those had a significantly different climate. The more northernly positions of those areas however, neither excludes those from the general climate of northwestern Europe, nor does it solely define that general climate. This general article about 'Belgium' should not describe 'climate' in great detail. I agree with
Fmph and
GoodDay about the informative addition: More people will have an idea of the climate in Northwest Europe than about meteorological descriptions. The discussion on proper sources and how these should be presented appears to be far too legalistic for a relatively trivial general statement.
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I just want to point out that in Flanders, we are also billangue... We speak Dutch, but also French, German and English (and this is just the basic pack on school)... so not only the Brussels part is billangue. :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.116.6.202 ( talk) 18:30, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
No, not officially. Dutch is the official language. Mapar007 17:13, 22 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mapar007 ( talk • contribs)
Official mono- or bilinguality in Belgium refers to a territory. The individuals may (learn to) speak whatever they like. Buth the language used for official education is available only in the territory's official language(s), and this goes as well for communication with official institutions. Each (language) Community decides which second, third or fourth languages are obligatory or optional in an education programme and is legally supposed to organise education within its territorial boundaries only. The latter however, has not been entirely respected throughout.
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"It is estimated that the port of Antwerp was earning the Spanish crown seven times more revenues than the Americas.[24]"
What has this item to do with the rest of the section History? I really don't understand why editors refuse to remove this. There are so many important things that are as well important but are not there: the economic importance of Katanga, the production of coal and steal in the 19th century, the strategic importance of the Iron Rhine, the production of diamant in Antwerp, etc... Just to cite a few economic topics that are not discussed here. This story is very interesting but does not belong to this very general article. If it were to remain here, it should be at least in a style which does not break the reading flow as it does now. Vb ( talk) 10:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
The edit of the constitutional description of Belgium was reverted by Oreo Priest. Hisa argumentthat is was "legalese" and not wikified, is probably valid. So I invite Oreo to wikify the new description, however his argument is imho not a reason to remove an edit which is based on the unique source (the actual text of the constitution) of the statement and provides a references that source. The original prose it was reverted to was imho. an approximation of the official description of Belgium but being nearly correct is not the same as being entirely correct, the prose didn't have a link to the source because it doesn't rely on the source document. Despite it being legalese, the new description has the merit of being encyclopedically correct, and its up to us belgians to explain what it means. And I've seen that a lot of effort has been put in to explain Belgium's complex structure. that explanation merits an accurate point of departure -- DerekvG ( talk) 00:28, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Why do Americans have more right on their own page as a nation then Belgians? They are at least as much "made-up." ;)-- Rastko Pocesta ( talk) 16:31, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Changed largest settlement from "Brussels capital region" to "Antwerp" based on surface : Bcr=161.4 km2 (62.3 sq mi) against Antwerp = 204.51 km2 (78.96 sq mi)-- DerekvG ( talk) 01:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Belgium is not a country, but rather consists of the self-governing Flanders, Wallonia and Brussles, each of which being a sovereign country or city-state respectively. This has been official since 9 July 2011 and each has been recognised by the EU. 'Belgium' is merely short for 'the Kingdom of Belgium'. There is no government of Belgium other than that of Flanders, Wallonia and Brussles, nor any 'pan-Belgian' political insitution and all foreign affairs are subject to either Flanders, Wallonia and Brussles seperately, or the EU.
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I wonder why this article does not extols the qualities of Belgium, while articles from other countries do. Look for articles on Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Holland, Iceland ... The Belgium is an amazing country and deserves much more than that.-- 189.104.31.149 ( talk) 23:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Please someone improve this article ??!!
Please someone improve this article. Try to use: Belgium has very high life expectancy, literacy, education, standards of living and income equality, and it ranks high among European nations in terms of education, health, quality of life and economic dynamism. The International Monetary Fund classified Belgium as a developed economy, and the World Bank identified it as a high income economy. Belgium is a member of the United Nations, the Council of Europe, NATO, and the World Trade Organization. The service sector dominates Belgium's economy, followed by the industrial sector and agriculture. Tourism is a significant source of revenue. The state controls a part of the economy, with substantial government expenditure. The European Union is Belgium's most important trading partner. Belgium government has invested in infrastructure, especially transport routes and facilities. Belgium provides a universal health care system and free primary and secondary education, while supporting culture through numerous public institutions and through corporate investments in media and publishing. The nation prides itself in its cultural, artistic and scientific contributions to the world, as well as in its cuisine, beers and sporting achievements.-- 189.104.31.149 ( talk) 23:20, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
The section on demographics is incomplete (birth rates?). Too much stress is placed on foreigners, in an often shocking manner, eg, distinction between european descent and non-western descent. While it is orally used in Belgium, the term "new Belgian" should not get so much exposure on such an article. There is also bias in the section on religion. These two subchapters should be reorganized internally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maab77 ( talk • contribs) 12:51, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
The Belgium article has always been written in Oxford English. Look at this link : [9] which dates from the first promotion of this article as featured article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.0.180.87 ( talk) 12:46, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Oreo Priest that the decision whether British or American should not be based on political reasoning. However the Oxford English banner has been on the talk page for years (at least since 2008). I therefore do not understand why this had to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.0.177.221 ( talk) 09:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
According to the Wikipedia article on him, Mercator was born in a place that is in either modern Germany or the Netherlands. Why is he mentioned as a famous Belgian so prominently? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CWB001 ( talk • contribs) 23:55, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Could someone perhaps explain why, among all the pictures and and other illustrations, there is no map of Belgium? Maps of language regions (extending into other countries), maps of this or that aspect of Belgium, but no map of Belgium. Why? Saintonge235 ( talk) 23:32, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
It is written : "Walloon, once the main regional language of Wallonia". Does someone know when ? It is so old that maybe it should be stated precisely. Pluto2012 ( talk) 13:51, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
I found that champenois is a official language, there are only 3 official languages in Belgium (Dutch, French and German), I can't find any information about this, and if its recongnised as an official language (I guess not, because you can only get official paperwork in the 3 languages over here) Wildchild1992 ( talk) 21:54, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
The leads indicate : "This ongoing antagonism has caused far-reaching reforms, changing the formerly unitary Belgian state into a federal state, and several governmental crises, the most recent from 2007 to 2011 being the longest."
What does it refer to ? I assume it should be written from June 2010 to December 2011 and we should precise the months. Pluto2012 ( talk) 09:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
( ←) I am another mind on the topic. First of all, you both need to start being civil, as of right now. Among other things, any explanation of policy need not be interpreted as talking down to you.
I'm not sure I will be able to cut the Gordian knot here. Pinfix has provided a number of sources grouping it as one crisis. This shows that it isn't absurd or OR. On the other hand, it may very well be that a majority of serious sources count them as two crises (I haven't checked), this would mean that the two crisis view is the appropriate one under WP:WEIGHT. Whether or not there is resolution or consensus, the other view should be mentioned in the article in proportion to its weight; for example a sentence saying "The crisis is often separated into two separate crises, one from 2007 to [whenever] and one from 2010-2011." or of course something similar if the page is changed. I'm a bit surprised that Pluto's changes haven't been anything more substantial than slapping an OR tag on the page and then protesting its removal. At the very least, you should be working towards acknowledgement of the two views on the page itself. Oreo Priest talk 21:05, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
O, yes . Qdfr ( talk) 14:36, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
[Gibberish comment by another user deleted — Brigade Piron ( talk) 17:16, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
New [ cortisol] per thousand in the blood .Also due Political crisis. 10 more for population ordiner in year 2016th. Bonmerci ( talk) 13:57, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
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Budget deficit does not belong to the topic Political Crisis. Newspaper Meteotime: 95% of annual product of the State Belgium. Is comparable only to the US.Saving tests is also available. NVA thinks this State shall submit the police. An army is excessively overpriced .Cheap labor from Africa (only 850, - Euro / month). Come also into question.The friendship with the Muscovite Sponsor as final solution the problem-. Are also offered.But does not a long Default. State België abounds. Chimie industry, metallurgy and sw. DePaul SaintVincent ( talk) 15:00, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
Regarding this and previous similar edits, the claim that the Belgian army is "failed" (whatever that means) would need to be sourced. The material on Molenbeek does not belong here, but rather at Sint-Jans-Molenbeek and, to some extent, at Brussels. Cordless Larry ( talk) 07:54, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
There's a schwa in there... Wathiik ( talk) 09:50, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
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Belgium is home to two main linguistic groups: the Dutch-speaking, mostly Flemish community, which constitutes about 59 percent of the population, and the French-speaking, mostly Walloon population, which comprises about 40 percent of all Belgians.
Is there a source for these precise figures? 2602:306:CFEA:170:501A:713A:AD20:16E3 ( talk) 18:54, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
The largest cities in Belgium 1st of January 2018
City | Population |
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Antwerpen | 523.248 |
Gent | 260.341 |
Charleroi | 201.816 |
Liège | 197.355 |
Brussels | 179.277 |
Schaerbeek | 133.010 |
Anderlecht | 118.382 |
Bruges | 118.284 |
Namur | 110.939 |
Leuven | 101.396 |
Molenbeek-Saint-Jean | 97.005 |
Mons | 95.299 |
Ixelles | 86.513 |
Mechelen | 86.304 |
Aalst | 85.715 |
Uccle | 82.275 |
La Louvière | 80.637 |
Hasselt | 77.651 |
Sint-Niklaas | 76.756 |
Kortrijk | 76.265 |
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This article is wrong. Brussels is not the largest city in Belgium. Antwerp is, even if the Brussels province is slightly bigger than the Antwerp metropolitan area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User142857 ( talk • contribs) 01:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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The current Prime Minister of Belgium is not Olivier Chastel but Charles Michel. Vleug ( talk) 22:21, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
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Belgium has an area of 30688 km2 according to a new survey from Statbel source: http://www.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/belgie-is-160-km-groter-dan-gedacht~a3d8d378/ Liomarcp ( talk) 19:39, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
The infobox states that Brussels is the largest city in Belgium, but when you click on it it links to the City of Brussels article not the Brussels Capital Region. The City of Brussels is NOT the largest city in Belgium by itself, only when you include the entire Brussels capital region. 2602:306:CC42:8340:B9DA:211D:AE70:83C2 ( talk) 02:17, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Brussels is no longer listed as the largest city in Belgium in the article. That is wrong as the entire Brussels-capital is considered one city and has a population of about 1.4 million. This is not the metro area which has a larger population. That is larger than Antwerp. The article should be changed. 2602:306:CC42:8340:4CA9:B83C:E252:11B4 ( talk) 09:59, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
But all of Greater London is called the capital of the UK in its article, but only Westminster (where most UK government buildings are located) and the City of London (the tiny financial center in the heart of Greater London) have city status. What is so different about Brussels? 2602:306:CC42:8340:7088:65C9:D3BB:94C4 ( talk) 21:39, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
If you compare Brussels with Antwerp, compare Brussels city with Antwerp district 1 (197.137) or else compare Brussels Capital Region, with ALL the Antwerp districts (500K). Vleug ( talk) 22:34, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't actually care much about the size debate, but currently footnote_b says that "The Brussels region is the de facto capital, but the City of Brussels municipality is the de jure capital". The first part is wrong; there's no such thing as a "de facto capital". The source provided for this statement relates only to the second part: the constitution indeed identifies the City of Brussels as the capital - which is the only correct statement. The de facto statement is unsourced and seems to be a personal opinion only; it should be removed. 85.28.110.57 ( talk) 10:14, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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Change the Philippe King of the Belgians since 2013
Charles Michel Prime Minister since 2014 to Philippe King of the Belgians since 2013
Sophie Wilmès Prime Minister since 2019 /info/en/?search=Sophie_Wilm%C3%A8s /info/en/?search=File:Sophie_Wilm%C3%A8s.jpg Gerard135 ( talk) 21:58, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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change "22th" to "22nd" in "Population Density" Lumper3 ( talk) 07:45, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
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Minster of Defence = Philippe Goffin 141.135.61.211 ( talk) 15:03, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
Hi. Why is there no map that places Belgium in the context of national borders within Europe? A map, for example, that would show its geographic position relative to its neighbors (France, the Netherlands and Luxembourg) and even with the British Isles? If any mapmakers read this, please take note that it would greatly enhance the article by providing a means of visual reference for its national context in Europe, the illustration of which, currently is left to the human imagination. Thank you. Stevenmitchell ( talk) 03:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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Change request: Remove "Ethnic groups: see Demographics" from card (delete line `|ethnic_groups =`).
1. It is not a common practice in Belgium to list people by ethnicity or request that information in census. Other articles about nearby countries also do not include that section in their card ( France, Germany).
2. That section only links to Belgium#Demographics which doesn't adequately present the ethnic groups in Belgium.
On 2020-09-07 I read, "Unemployment in Wallonia is more than double that of Flanders, which boomed after the war." After which war?
Thanks, DavidMCEddy ( talk) 23:34, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
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please change ((Joel Robert)) to ((Joël Robert)) 2601:541:4580:8500:1982:9A7D:E969:91F1 ( talk) 15:39, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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The Great Mosque of Brussels is not the Islamic **and** Cultural Center of Belgium, it is the Islamic Cultural Center of Belgium. Please delete and. 50.34.197.13 ( talk) 22:51, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
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Add following missing information to Infobox: iso3166code = BE 2003:C9:5707:EB00:F0E7:9A0F:E70:26D ( talk) 20:17, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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Change 82st to 82nd in population 2601:843:C202:3B10:DDA1:CBF2:D942:1A1D ( talk) 02:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Between 1888 and 1908, Leopold II, king of Belgium, perpetrated one of the largest massacres in human history in Congo Free State, his private estate (and not a colony of Belgium at that time) causing the deaths of an estimated five to fifteen million Congolese people, during the production of massive amounts of rubber and ivory.[19]
those numbers are propaganda. If you do real research you will find that most scholars have acknowledged that there is no way to know how much the reign of Leopold 2 was damaging for the population of the Congo Free State. Putting those numbers in the summary of the English page of Belgium is just trying to dirt the country with unreliable numbers. I nevertheless agree that the reign of Leopold 2 in the Congo Free State was bloody and affected greatly the local population but those number are nowhere close to the reality. Moreover the big majority of victims were due to sickness that arrived with Europeans and to whom Africans weren't immunized, this sickness influenced the harvest and then influenced the natality. Saying "...Belgium, perpetrated one of the largest massacres in human history... during the production of massive amounts of rubber and ivory." is just wrong. Of course there were brutality and a lot of victims... but few hundreds then few thousands of Europeans can't kill 15 million of people and expect more production of them in same time... 212.161.79.68 ( talk) 08:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Isn't Belgium derived from Belgica (instead of Belgium being a Latin word)? Pieter Lootens ( talk) 16:24, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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this part: "Leopold II, king of Belgium, perpetrated one of the largest massacres in human history in Congo Free State, his private estate (and not a colony of Belgium at that time) causing the deaths of an estimated five to fifteen million Congolese people, during the production of massive amounts of rubber and ivory.[19]"
This is just old propaganda from British government trying to trash Belgium (and distracting people from the Boer war and other crimes of British colonization). Please take source from real history books when you put accusation like that, otherwise you have no credibility. Belgian colonization of Congo had a few horrible outcomes and exploitation of local populations was one of them. Nobody deny that, but most of the depopulation comes from sickness brought by the Europeans and the destruction of social structures that led to a decrease of birth rate. Nothing to do with "largest massacres in human history". That statement imply that those deaths would have been in purpose ! Also the numbers here are assumption from the British propaganda as we don't know the population of Congo before 1924 it is impossible to have a real idea of the depopulation.
Here a source that quote historian specialists on the subject : https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1999/may/13/features11.g22 The source you use from the Independent has no reference.
When you accuse someone of perpetrating a massacre of millions of death please be more careful and nuanced... 212.161.79.68 ( talk) 15:11, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello Andrew, I am not used to contribute to Wikipedia, so I am not sure if I am replying to you where I should. I am a little surprise that the article of the Independent that quote no source is enough to put in the summary presentation of Belgium's page that King Leopold 2 is responsible of one of the largest massacres in human history (and so dirt Belgium) but my article that quote historian is not enough. Besides this reference at that place (on the summary of this page) is a little weird as this happened during the Free Independent State, so it wasn't Belgium really, it is history of Congo or history of King Leopold 2... I provided you a source ( https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1999/may/13/features11.g22) where it says : "Professor Jean Stengers, a leading historian of the period, says: 'Terrible things happened, but Hochschild is exaggerating. It is absurd to say so many millions died." To confirm the quality of Jean Stengers as historian of this topic I can refer you to his page wiki : /info/en/?search=Jean_Stengers where it says : "Though his interests were wide-ranging, his scholarly reputation was built on his treatment of the Belgian colonial history. His work Congo, Mythes et réalités was published in 1989."
As this topic is really emotional, many sources says everything and his contrary because there is no real data, just assumptions. In that situation I would anyway suggest to be more nuanced.
Thank you.
The introductory section contains this sentence:
"Unemployment in Wallonia is more than double that of Flanders, which boomed after the war."
But no war is mentioned, not in this sentence's paragraph or the paragraph before it. (In the paragraph before that, both world wars are mentioned.)
I hope someone knowledgeable about this subject can fix this bad writing. 2601:200:C000:1A0:39B3:8122:BB64:25B9 ( talk) 12:30, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
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I would like to change the armed forces part because the interpuntcion. this is my suggestion:
The Belgian Armed Forces have about 47,000 active troops. In 2019, Belgium's defense budget totaled €4.303 billion ($4.921 billion) representing .93% of its GDP.[102] They are organized into one unified structure which consists of four main components: Land Component or the Army, Air Component or the Air Force, Marine Component or the Navy and the Medical Component. The operational commands of the four components are subordinate to the Staff Department for Operations and Training of the Ministry of Defense, which is headed by the Assistant Chief of Staff Operations and Training, and to the Chief of Defense.[103] Pimme04 ( talk) 22:51, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
What is biggest Religion in Belgium? 112.215.242.24 ( talk) 02:06, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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Can you add English and Luxembourgish to the “Official languages” list? Belgium has many official languages. 70.71.87.75 ( talk) 21:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
The sentence "Between 1885 and 1908, the Congo Free State, which was privately owned by King Leopold II of Belgium, was characterized by widespread atrocities and a population decline of millions, leading Belguim to takeover the territory as a colony." in the introductory section contains a misspelling of Belgium as 'Belguim'. 2A02:3035:C17:9E23:1:0:1C58:6B1F ( talk) 07:10, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
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Change total nominal GDP from 609.887 billion to $609.887 billion. 2601:2C2:980:6710:CB5:DD28:7211:7FCD ( talk) 18:25, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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Change total nominal GDP from $609,887 billion to $609.887 billion. Thousands separators are governed by /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Grouping_of_digits and decimal points by /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Decimal_points, irrespective of the language variety in use. 2601:2C2:980:6710:5DBE:8931:553D:E6DB ( talk) 17:09, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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Change total nominal GDP from $609,887 billion to $609.887 billion. 2601:2C2:980:6710:912E:F3A:F57D:A00C ( talk) 22:33, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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In the “Capital and largest city” section of the infobox, can you change “Brussels” to “ City of Brussels”? Brussels in the infobox is a region. 2605:8D80:404:8E9F:8132:B6DD:8428:4FCA ( talk) 00:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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"continued to interact with the their neighbours"
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Could the "ethnic groups" section be changed from "belgians" to wallons and flemish? Belgian is not an ethnic group. Maybe include all three with flemish and wallons as subgroups of belgian. 188.148.143.116 ( talk) 19:20, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Your affirmation "A major non-official holiday is the Saint-Nicolas (Sint Nicholas in English) Day, a festivity for children in Belgium and also for students" is not correct. Saint Nicholas Day is also celebrated for students in all University towns in Belgium. Many drivers stuck in the traffic would confirm it was because of the Sint Nicholas students's procession in Brussels. Eva. 23March2010-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.58.82.178 ( talk) 14:55, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
PS: ridiculous comments about Belgium once again among other stupid comments from French and other Wikipedians about other items and articles!
Is it the outcome of Wikipedia's idealistic project about which I wasted my time attending a MOOC course on the French platform FUN early this year ?? See at https://www.fun-mooc.fr/courses/WMFr/86001/session01/info.
Now I am telling you frankly after +/- 6 months personal experience: I found out all those VAIN, FUTILE 'guerres d'édition'/ 'edit warring' (such nice words!!): the black side of Wikipedia!
Matter of EGOS only !
HOW DISAPPOINTING!
Read: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Edit_warring & https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Guerre_d%27%C3%A9dition /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars & https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Guerres_d%27%C3%A9dition_les_plus_futiles.
Actually most of them are completely VAIN (EN) / FUTILES (FR)! Just a matter of common sense ~~-— Preceding unsigned comment added by AIlurus ( talk • contribs) 06:22, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Just a tiny typo in the name Karel Van Noppen (in the section "Independent Belgium"). I'd correct it myself but the page is protected. The name links to a page with the correct name, Karel.-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:1810:4f0b:500:31eb:a2eb:314f:6739 ( talk) 23:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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I reverted an edit and my revert was reverted without discussion [24] so I am bringing it here. The justifying remark draws attention to a new article we have with the strange title (to me as a native English speaker) of " Francization of Brussels", and claims that it is more neutral and exact to call French a lingua franca in Brussels and not just the dominant language of Brussels. I don't get the point being made though, and I request explanation. To me, claiming that French is a lingua franca is tantamount to saying that it is a second language used by speakers of other languages. That is a quite complex claim, which needs a good source, and no new sourcing has been offered for this. As a Belgian I understand French is today simply the dominant language of Brussels. By this I mean it is the primary FIRST language of people living in Brussels. Other interesting facts may be added, but this is a big simple one which deserves to be put there up front. Am I wrong? And what is the source for this new wording? Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 19:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC) BTW as a resident of Flanders I know that many Flemish people actually deliberately push discussion to Flemish or even English because they don't want to use French as a lingua franca in Brussels, even if they would speak French happily in Paris. So this is not a simple issue here that no one ever talks about. We should pick the right wording.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 19:55, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
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There is an estimated 30,000 Romani people in Belgium. Add this to the demographics section.
Source: https://minorityrights.org/country/belgium/ 103.164.138.55 ( talk) 22:36, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
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I want to change statistics because it's outdated
Article says most recent measurement of land area used new methodology, but says "Unlike previous calculations, this one included the area from the coast to the low-water line, revealing the country to be 160 km2 (62 sq mi) larger in surface area than previously thought." Last two words indicate change in thought, not change in methodology. Suggest changing to "…than measured using previous methodology." IronJohnSr ( talk) 14:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)
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For years now Belgium has always stood at the top spot of the Globalization Index, the 2009 index has just been released and Belgium is once again in the top spot of 156 countries. More info can be found here [1] I think it could be interesting to include in the article since it illustrates an important aspect of Belgian society. But I wasn't sure where to put it so I'm just mentioning it here. -- Lamadude ( talk) 12:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
[2] - SSJ ☎ 22:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Dear all, I have recorded this file: with the Standard Belgian Dutch pronunciation of "Koninkrijk België". I just don't now where to put it in the article, anybody an idea? -- Hooiwind ( talk) 09:08, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
The OECD HQ is in Paris, not Brussels as stated in the first paragraph. 86.165.67.134 ( talk) 21:02, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Often, general statements are made on 'Belgium' whereas a much more accurate presentation of the facts would be to distinguish according to the communities (as for Pisa-rankings on education, where Flanders is appreciated in the top-5 of the ranking, whereas the French-speaking educations is in the 2nd half. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rudi Dierick ( talk • contribs) 21:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
"Its local language until shortly before Belgium's independence used to be Dutch, (...)" — that is simply not true. Dutch was till the first half of the 20th century the most spoken language, only after Belgian independance Brussels became a bilingual city and only after the 50s French overtook Dutch in which is now the Capital Region. Hooiwind ( talk) 09:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
81.243.25.190 ( talk) 11:52, 21 March 2008 (UTC) false the capital (brussels) is both Dutch and French, with about equal numbers. the French speaking part is the southern part (wallonie), and the Dutch speaking part is the northern part (Vlaanderen). Dutch being used a bit more then French. on the eastern part there is a small piece that used to be Germany (the "oostkantons"), where the language is German there are in fact 3 official languages Dutch French German
Nicht ganz klar . Was ist mit Deutsch ? Ist das wörklich eine Statssprache /Amtssprache in Brussel oder ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.27.5.206 ( talk) 09:46, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Why do you use German here in the English Wikipedia ? And then with two mistakes in one sentence (wirklich; Staatssprache).-- 136.8.152.12 ( talk) 14:45, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
Isn't it necessary to add Dutch: België, French: Belgique, German: Belgien' in the first sentence as well, or is that going to be too long? To my opinion it is a wikipedia convention to implement this anyway. Secondly, I'd like to suggest that we start the article with the following: Belgium( Dutch: België, French: Belgique, German: Belgien), officially the Kingdom of Belgium, ... This way of writing has been used as well in equivalent articles such as those of the United Kingdom, France or any other country. I suppose nobody solely uses 'Kingdom of Belgium' to address this country in common language. -- Keffertje08 ( talk) 22:06, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
Why isn't Walloon an official language of Belgium, or even of Wallonia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Littlefatboy ( talk • contribs) 18:51, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
It says that Belgium has been called the "cockpit of Europe". The problem is that while he meant the place where cocks fight, most people will understand it to mean cockpit, the place where a pilot sits in an airplane. We either have to rephrase this or get rid of it, because it's misleading in its current form. Oreo Priest talk 14:03, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't know if it is a good reason (but why not?) but in French the word cockpit means also "place a pilot sits" and abolutely not "battle ground"... José Fontaine ( talk) 14:34, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Why does this article display the 13:15 version of the flag? It is effectively never used (see discussion at FOTW). I think we should put the "civil" flag at the top as it is basically the ubiquitous version. Oreo Priest talk 21:45, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
A second issue is that I think FOTW might have the proportions wrong; it seems to be 15 tall : 13 wide, whereas FOTW's image (and ours) is 15 wide : 13 tall. Look these images: ( [3], [4], [5], [6] and File:Paleis brussel2.jpg). They are all from government buildings and they all seem (to me at least) to be taller than they are wide. On the FOTW page, the Consul General of Belgium in Jerusalem insists that the 2:3 one is normally flown but that the official one is always used on the Royal Palace of Brussels, which is what is shown in the last two photos. Thoughts? Oreo Priest talk 21:45, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
(undent) Wow. Actually, that flag is 17:21 which is about 12:15, compared with 10:15 for 2:3 and 13:15, which looks much more square. More troublesome is that it's neither of the two that FOTW suggests. As the pictures above show, the Royal Palace clearly flies a flag that is taller than it is wide, which was not the file we had earlier either. I'll keep looking into this. Oreo Priest talk 05:34, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
In the aftermath of the first World War, the Prussian districts of Eupen and Malmedy were annexed by Belgium in 1925, thereby causing the presence of a German-speaking minority.
It is true, that these districts have been annexed by Belgium after a plebescite, but: 1. The area of Malmédy, Stavelot and Waismes is French-speaking. 2. The annexation of the districts of Eupen-Malmédy is not the reason for the existence of a "German"-speaking minority (Whether Luxembourgish and Ripuarian can be considered "German" is a different topic). The city of Arlon and the area along the Luxembourgish border is Luxembourgish-speaking (as is the district of St. Vith in the annexed "German"-speaking region, which is about half of the "German"-speaking region) - these areas belonged to Belgium since it's independence from the Netherlands, meaning there has always been a "German" speaking (or at least "writing") minority. (By the way: If Luxembourgish is not considered German, almost half of the present-day German speaking community/area is not German-speaking). Johnny2323 ( talk) 01:03, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
I read the initial guidelines of the article. I am including this file since it bears the name of Belgium in a non-official insignia. This file relates to the concept of relationship of Belgium with the world as a whole.Thanks-- Camilo Sanchez ( talk) 06:19, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Is it already know who will take Van Rompuy's seat as the Prime Minister of Belgium and when? The article makes no mention of a succession. Tomeasy T C 15:29, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
The article states in its introduction that Belgium at the end of the 19th century possessed several colonies. To my knowledge Belgium has only had one, being The Belgian Congo and this as of 1908 when the previously "Congo Free State" who was supposedly independant but in fact private property of King Leopold II of Belgium was taken over / handed over to the state. Other than the Congo, Belgium has been mandated by the League of Nations in 1926 to control the former German Colonies Rwanda-Urundi after World War I, (similar to South Africa for Namibia I think), but they were only in an administrative union with the Congo until 1960, and in they 1946 became the status of UN Trust Territory. Boerkevitz ( talk) 20:36, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
The reasons given for the conflict are only a very small part of what the conflict is about. The main reasons has to do with how dutch speaking people have been treated since before the existence of Belgium. To explain this matter so one can fully understand is very difficult. You must know that originally the only official language of Belgium was french. Bert9 ( talk) 03:10, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
The conflict has always been a relationship between unequals. Years and years of legal inequality and maltreatment has lead to resentment, strife and harsh feelings toward the "former master".-- Buster7 ( talk) 06:53, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Yves Leterme is now the PM of Belgium so it would make sense if the picture of Van Rompuy Was Replaced By Yves Leterme´s picture —Preceding unsigned comment added by Craigzomack ( talk • contribs) 20:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
There's an inconsistency in this article where it says in the second paragraph that Belgium is divided into two linguistic groups, Flemish and French speakers. The Wikipedia article that 'Flemish' links to defines Flemings as those living in Flanders. There are, of course, also Dutch speakers outside of Flanders, particularly in Brussels.
As a Dutch speaker in Brussels I'd prefer to see the mention of 'Flemish' in the second paragraph changed to 'Dutch speakers' as we often don't think of ourselves as Flemish in Brussels (even though the Flemish government and French speakers try to tell us we are, all the time!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.169.73.175 ( talk) 18:04, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
Per WP..... Gerardus Mercator was born Gerard de Kremer or de Cremer in the Flemish town of Rupelmonde to parents from Gangelt in the Duchy of Jülich. He was not German. Suggestion:Rather than deleting appropriate images from this article, and thereby lessening the articles value, editors should consider adding informational images to Belarus and Hungary and, thereby, improving their value. Buster7 ( talk) 17:54, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Several sections of the article, most notably the History and Science and technology sections, are lacking in references. I think that this needs to be addressed so as not to endanger the article's featured article status. Cordless Larry ( talk) 18:28, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
A map of the Eurozone (Belgium is a member) has been added. It seems to be a standard useful information. Obviously, the introduction informs the reader about the EU membership (second sentence). I believe the high priority which is credited here needs support in the article. Seniorfox ( talk) 21:26, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
( ←) I thought about it a bit yesterday, and I thought something representing Belgium (Antwerp) being the centre of the world diamond trade would be good. I thought this image or something like it would be great, but unfortunately there's no free image that's any good. Oreo Priest talk 11:26, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
User:Fmph has claimed in an edit that the climate of Belgium is like that of much of northwest Europe. I suggest use of the "northwest Europe" label is not a good idea. The definition of Northwest Europe is vague and can include Scandinavia. I wonder if use of the highly technical Koppen classification (its use is mentioned in the article) to draw such a broad conclusion is correct. I've reverted per WP:BRD for the moment. LemonMonday Talk 11:57, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Is Belgium in northwest Europe? if so, is the climate the same?
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I fully agree with this revert. Indeed, neither Belgium, nor the definition of Northwest Europe is mentioned in the source, and thus deriving the statement from a little map in the source is a classic example of wp:SYNT, and thus wp:OR. Besides, we all know that Belgium's climate is significantly different from that of, say, Scotland. Good call, LemonMonday. - DVdm ( talk) 23:22, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The point I was trying to make was in response to your asking me if I am "suggesting that all these (and many more) need to go." If you think that there is something wrong with some article against my interpretation of wp:OR and/or wp:SYNTH, then feel free to go fix it, but in doing so, watch out for wp:POINT. If that needs more elucidation, then look at bullet#4 of the Examples (to which I added someting):
I noticed that you opened a help request about this, but you did not mention that the discussion is mainly about whether the countries belong to Northwest Europe or not. I have left a note at the help request page. DVdm ( talk) 15:15, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Why is it important, to know the climate is the same across northwest Europe? GoodDay ( talk) 15:25, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
I have opened a new discussion in relation to this dispute at
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The climate of Belgium, a country clearly in Northwest Europe, obtains a moderating influence and rainfall in each month, by the near presence of sea or ocean surface - like that of Scotland and of Scandinavian countries, here above apparently having been seen as if those had a significantly different climate. The more northernly positions of those areas however, neither excludes those from the general climate of northwestern Europe, nor does it solely define that general climate. This general article about 'Belgium' should not describe 'climate' in great detail. I agree with
Fmph and
GoodDay about the informative addition: More people will have an idea of the climate in Northwest Europe than about meteorological descriptions. The discussion on proper sources and how these should be presented appears to be far too legalistic for a relatively trivial general statement.
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I just want to point out that in Flanders, we are also billangue... We speak Dutch, but also French, German and English (and this is just the basic pack on school)... so not only the Brussels part is billangue. :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.116.6.202 ( talk) 18:30, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
No, not officially. Dutch is the official language. Mapar007 17:13, 22 March 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mapar007 ( talk • contribs)
Official mono- or bilinguality in Belgium refers to a territory. The individuals may (learn to) speak whatever they like. Buth the language used for official education is available only in the territory's official language(s), and this goes as well for communication with official institutions. Each (language) Community decides which second, third or fourth languages are obligatory or optional in an education programme and is legally supposed to organise education within its territorial boundaries only. The latter however, has not been entirely respected throughout.
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"It is estimated that the port of Antwerp was earning the Spanish crown seven times more revenues than the Americas.[24]"
What has this item to do with the rest of the section History? I really don't understand why editors refuse to remove this. There are so many important things that are as well important but are not there: the economic importance of Katanga, the production of coal and steal in the 19th century, the strategic importance of the Iron Rhine, the production of diamant in Antwerp, etc... Just to cite a few economic topics that are not discussed here. This story is very interesting but does not belong to this very general article. If it were to remain here, it should be at least in a style which does not break the reading flow as it does now. Vb ( talk) 10:44, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
The edit of the constitutional description of Belgium was reverted by Oreo Priest. Hisa argumentthat is was "legalese" and not wikified, is probably valid. So I invite Oreo to wikify the new description, however his argument is imho not a reason to remove an edit which is based on the unique source (the actual text of the constitution) of the statement and provides a references that source. The original prose it was reverted to was imho. an approximation of the official description of Belgium but being nearly correct is not the same as being entirely correct, the prose didn't have a link to the source because it doesn't rely on the source document. Despite it being legalese, the new description has the merit of being encyclopedically correct, and its up to us belgians to explain what it means. And I've seen that a lot of effort has been put in to explain Belgium's complex structure. that explanation merits an accurate point of departure -- DerekvG ( talk) 00:28, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Why do Americans have more right on their own page as a nation then Belgians? They are at least as much "made-up." ;)-- Rastko Pocesta ( talk) 16:31, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Changed largest settlement from "Brussels capital region" to "Antwerp" based on surface : Bcr=161.4 km2 (62.3 sq mi) against Antwerp = 204.51 km2 (78.96 sq mi)-- DerekvG ( talk) 01:32, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Belgium is not a country, but rather consists of the self-governing Flanders, Wallonia and Brussles, each of which being a sovereign country or city-state respectively. This has been official since 9 July 2011 and each has been recognised by the EU. 'Belgium' is merely short for 'the Kingdom of Belgium'. There is no government of Belgium other than that of Flanders, Wallonia and Brussles, nor any 'pan-Belgian' political insitution and all foreign affairs are subject to either Flanders, Wallonia and Brussles seperately, or the EU.
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I wonder why this article does not extols the qualities of Belgium, while articles from other countries do. Look for articles on Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Holland, Iceland ... The Belgium is an amazing country and deserves much more than that.-- 189.104.31.149 ( talk) 23:16, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Please someone improve this article ??!!
Please someone improve this article. Try to use: Belgium has very high life expectancy, literacy, education, standards of living and income equality, and it ranks high among European nations in terms of education, health, quality of life and economic dynamism. The International Monetary Fund classified Belgium as a developed economy, and the World Bank identified it as a high income economy. Belgium is a member of the United Nations, the Council of Europe, NATO, and the World Trade Organization. The service sector dominates Belgium's economy, followed by the industrial sector and agriculture. Tourism is a significant source of revenue. The state controls a part of the economy, with substantial government expenditure. The European Union is Belgium's most important trading partner. Belgium government has invested in infrastructure, especially transport routes and facilities. Belgium provides a universal health care system and free primary and secondary education, while supporting culture through numerous public institutions and through corporate investments in media and publishing. The nation prides itself in its cultural, artistic and scientific contributions to the world, as well as in its cuisine, beers and sporting achievements.-- 189.104.31.149 ( talk) 23:20, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
The section on demographics is incomplete (birth rates?). Too much stress is placed on foreigners, in an often shocking manner, eg, distinction between european descent and non-western descent. While it is orally used in Belgium, the term "new Belgian" should not get so much exposure on such an article. There is also bias in the section on religion. These two subchapters should be reorganized internally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maab77 ( talk • contribs) 12:51, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
The Belgium article has always been written in Oxford English. Look at this link : [9] which dates from the first promotion of this article as featured article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.0.180.87 ( talk) 12:46, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
I agree with Oreo Priest that the decision whether British or American should not be based on political reasoning. However the Oxford English banner has been on the talk page for years (at least since 2008). I therefore do not understand why this had to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.0.177.221 ( talk) 09:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
According to the Wikipedia article on him, Mercator was born in a place that is in either modern Germany or the Netherlands. Why is he mentioned as a famous Belgian so prominently? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CWB001 ( talk • contribs) 23:55, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
Could someone perhaps explain why, among all the pictures and and other illustrations, there is no map of Belgium? Maps of language regions (extending into other countries), maps of this or that aspect of Belgium, but no map of Belgium. Why? Saintonge235 ( talk) 23:32, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
It is written : "Walloon, once the main regional language of Wallonia". Does someone know when ? It is so old that maybe it should be stated precisely. Pluto2012 ( talk) 13:51, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
I found that champenois is a official language, there are only 3 official languages in Belgium (Dutch, French and German), I can't find any information about this, and if its recongnised as an official language (I guess not, because you can only get official paperwork in the 3 languages over here) Wildchild1992 ( talk) 21:54, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
The leads indicate : "This ongoing antagonism has caused far-reaching reforms, changing the formerly unitary Belgian state into a federal state, and several governmental crises, the most recent from 2007 to 2011 being the longest."
What does it refer to ? I assume it should be written from June 2010 to December 2011 and we should precise the months. Pluto2012 ( talk) 09:05, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
( ←) I am another mind on the topic. First of all, you both need to start being civil, as of right now. Among other things, any explanation of policy need not be interpreted as talking down to you.
I'm not sure I will be able to cut the Gordian knot here. Pinfix has provided a number of sources grouping it as one crisis. This shows that it isn't absurd or OR. On the other hand, it may very well be that a majority of serious sources count them as two crises (I haven't checked), this would mean that the two crisis view is the appropriate one under WP:WEIGHT. Whether or not there is resolution or consensus, the other view should be mentioned in the article in proportion to its weight; for example a sentence saying "The crisis is often separated into two separate crises, one from 2007 to [whenever] and one from 2010-2011." or of course something similar if the page is changed. I'm a bit surprised that Pluto's changes haven't been anything more substantial than slapping an OR tag on the page and then protesting its removal. At the very least, you should be working towards acknowledgement of the two views on the page itself. Oreo Priest talk 21:05, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
O, yes . Qdfr ( talk) 14:36, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
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New [ cortisol] per thousand in the blood .Also due Political crisis. 10 more for population ordiner in year 2016th. Bonmerci ( talk) 13:57, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
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Budget deficit does not belong to the topic Political Crisis. Newspaper Meteotime: 95% of annual product of the State Belgium. Is comparable only to the US.Saving tests is also available. NVA thinks this State shall submit the police. An army is excessively overpriced .Cheap labor from Africa (only 850, - Euro / month). Come also into question.The friendship with the Muscovite Sponsor as final solution the problem-. Are also offered.But does not a long Default. State België abounds. Chimie industry, metallurgy and sw. DePaul SaintVincent ( talk) 15:00, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
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There's a schwa in there... Wathiik ( talk) 09:50, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
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The population density ranking in the info box is incorrect. The ranking should be 36th (according to the linked article.) Jrgonzalez183 ( talk) 14:59, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
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Belgium is home to two main linguistic groups: the Dutch-speaking, mostly Flemish community, which constitutes about 59 percent of the population, and the French-speaking, mostly Walloon population, which comprises about 40 percent of all Belgians.
Is there a source for these precise figures? 2602:306:CFEA:170:501A:713A:AD20:16E3 ( talk) 18:54, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
The largest cities in Belgium 1st of January 2018
City | Population |
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Antwerpen | 523.248 |
Gent | 260.341 |
Charleroi | 201.816 |
Liège | 197.355 |
Brussels | 179.277 |
Schaerbeek | 133.010 |
Anderlecht | 118.382 |
Bruges | 118.284 |
Namur | 110.939 |
Leuven | 101.396 |
Molenbeek-Saint-Jean | 97.005 |
Mons | 95.299 |
Ixelles | 86.513 |
Mechelen | 86.304 |
Aalst | 85.715 |
Uccle | 82.275 |
La Louvière | 80.637 |
Hasselt | 77.651 |
Sint-Niklaas | 76.756 |
Kortrijk | 76.265 |
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This article is wrong. Brussels is not the largest city in Belgium. Antwerp is, even if the Brussels province is slightly bigger than the Antwerp metropolitan area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by User142857 ( talk • contribs) 01:47, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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The current Prime Minister of Belgium is not Olivier Chastel but Charles Michel. Vleug ( talk) 22:21, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
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Belgium has an area of 30688 km2 according to a new survey from Statbel source: http://www.hln.be/nieuws/binnenland/belgie-is-160-km-groter-dan-gedacht~a3d8d378/ Liomarcp ( talk) 19:39, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
The infobox states that Brussels is the largest city in Belgium, but when you click on it it links to the City of Brussels article not the Brussels Capital Region. The City of Brussels is NOT the largest city in Belgium by itself, only when you include the entire Brussels capital region. 2602:306:CC42:8340:B9DA:211D:AE70:83C2 ( talk) 02:17, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Brussels is no longer listed as the largest city in Belgium in the article. That is wrong as the entire Brussels-capital is considered one city and has a population of about 1.4 million. This is not the metro area which has a larger population. That is larger than Antwerp. The article should be changed. 2602:306:CC42:8340:4CA9:B83C:E252:11B4 ( talk) 09:59, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
But all of Greater London is called the capital of the UK in its article, but only Westminster (where most UK government buildings are located) and the City of London (the tiny financial center in the heart of Greater London) have city status. What is so different about Brussels? 2602:306:CC42:8340:7088:65C9:D3BB:94C4 ( talk) 21:39, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
If you compare Brussels with Antwerp, compare Brussels city with Antwerp district 1 (197.137) or else compare Brussels Capital Region, with ALL the Antwerp districts (500K). Vleug ( talk) 22:34, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
I don't actually care much about the size debate, but currently footnote_b says that "The Brussels region is the de facto capital, but the City of Brussels municipality is the de jure capital". The first part is wrong; there's no such thing as a "de facto capital". The source provided for this statement relates only to the second part: the constitution indeed identifies the City of Brussels as the capital - which is the only correct statement. The de facto statement is unsourced and seems to be a personal opinion only; it should be removed. 85.28.110.57 ( talk) 10:14, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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Change the Philippe King of the Belgians since 2013
Charles Michel Prime Minister since 2014 to Philippe King of the Belgians since 2013
Sophie Wilmès Prime Minister since 2019 /info/en/?search=Sophie_Wilm%C3%A8s /info/en/?search=File:Sophie_Wilm%C3%A8s.jpg Gerard135 ( talk) 21:58, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
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change "22th" to "22nd" in "Population Density" Lumper3 ( talk) 07:45, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
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Hi. Why is there no map that places Belgium in the context of national borders within Europe? A map, for example, that would show its geographic position relative to its neighbors (France, the Netherlands and Luxembourg) and even with the British Isles? If any mapmakers read this, please take note that it would greatly enhance the article by providing a means of visual reference for its national context in Europe, the illustration of which, currently is left to the human imagination. Thank you. Stevenmitchell ( talk) 03:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
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Change request: Remove "Ethnic groups: see Demographics" from card (delete line `|ethnic_groups =`).
1. It is not a common practice in Belgium to list people by ethnicity or request that information in census. Other articles about nearby countries also do not include that section in their card ( France, Germany).
2. That section only links to Belgium#Demographics which doesn't adequately present the ethnic groups in Belgium.
On 2020-09-07 I read, "Unemployment in Wallonia is more than double that of Flanders, which boomed after the war." After which war?
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please change ((Joel Robert)) to ((Joël Robert)) 2601:541:4580:8500:1982:9A7D:E969:91F1 ( talk) 15:39, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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The Great Mosque of Brussels is not the Islamic **and** Cultural Center of Belgium, it is the Islamic Cultural Center of Belgium. Please delete and. 50.34.197.13 ( talk) 22:51, 3 March 2021 (UTC)
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Add following missing information to Infobox: iso3166code = BE 2003:C9:5707:EB00:F0E7:9A0F:E70:26D ( talk) 20:17, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
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Change 82st to 82nd in population 2601:843:C202:3B10:DDA1:CBF2:D942:1A1D ( talk) 02:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Between 1888 and 1908, Leopold II, king of Belgium, perpetrated one of the largest massacres in human history in Congo Free State, his private estate (and not a colony of Belgium at that time) causing the deaths of an estimated five to fifteen million Congolese people, during the production of massive amounts of rubber and ivory.[19]
those numbers are propaganda. If you do real research you will find that most scholars have acknowledged that there is no way to know how much the reign of Leopold 2 was damaging for the population of the Congo Free State. Putting those numbers in the summary of the English page of Belgium is just trying to dirt the country with unreliable numbers. I nevertheless agree that the reign of Leopold 2 in the Congo Free State was bloody and affected greatly the local population but those number are nowhere close to the reality. Moreover the big majority of victims were due to sickness that arrived with Europeans and to whom Africans weren't immunized, this sickness influenced the harvest and then influenced the natality. Saying "...Belgium, perpetrated one of the largest massacres in human history... during the production of massive amounts of rubber and ivory." is just wrong. Of course there were brutality and a lot of victims... but few hundreds then few thousands of Europeans can't kill 15 million of people and expect more production of them in same time... 212.161.79.68 ( talk) 08:37, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Isn't Belgium derived from Belgica (instead of Belgium being a Latin word)? Pieter Lootens ( talk) 16:24, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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this part: "Leopold II, king of Belgium, perpetrated one of the largest massacres in human history in Congo Free State, his private estate (and not a colony of Belgium at that time) causing the deaths of an estimated five to fifteen million Congolese people, during the production of massive amounts of rubber and ivory.[19]"
This is just old propaganda from British government trying to trash Belgium (and distracting people from the Boer war and other crimes of British colonization). Please take source from real history books when you put accusation like that, otherwise you have no credibility. Belgian colonization of Congo had a few horrible outcomes and exploitation of local populations was one of them. Nobody deny that, but most of the depopulation comes from sickness brought by the Europeans and the destruction of social structures that led to a decrease of birth rate. Nothing to do with "largest massacres in human history". That statement imply that those deaths would have been in purpose ! Also the numbers here are assumption from the British propaganda as we don't know the population of Congo before 1924 it is impossible to have a real idea of the depopulation.
Here a source that quote historian specialists on the subject : https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1999/may/13/features11.g22 The source you use from the Independent has no reference.
When you accuse someone of perpetrating a massacre of millions of death please be more careful and nuanced... 212.161.79.68 ( talk) 15:11, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Hello Andrew, I am not used to contribute to Wikipedia, so I am not sure if I am replying to you where I should. I am a little surprise that the article of the Independent that quote no source is enough to put in the summary presentation of Belgium's page that King Leopold 2 is responsible of one of the largest massacres in human history (and so dirt Belgium) but my article that quote historian is not enough. Besides this reference at that place (on the summary of this page) is a little weird as this happened during the Free Independent State, so it wasn't Belgium really, it is history of Congo or history of King Leopold 2... I provided you a source ( https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/1999/may/13/features11.g22) where it says : "Professor Jean Stengers, a leading historian of the period, says: 'Terrible things happened, but Hochschild is exaggerating. It is absurd to say so many millions died." To confirm the quality of Jean Stengers as historian of this topic I can refer you to his page wiki : /info/en/?search=Jean_Stengers where it says : "Though his interests were wide-ranging, his scholarly reputation was built on his treatment of the Belgian colonial history. His work Congo, Mythes et réalités was published in 1989."
As this topic is really emotional, many sources says everything and his contrary because there is no real data, just assumptions. In that situation I would anyway suggest to be more nuanced.
Thank you.
The introductory section contains this sentence:
"Unemployment in Wallonia is more than double that of Flanders, which boomed after the war."
But no war is mentioned, not in this sentence's paragraph or the paragraph before it. (In the paragraph before that, both world wars are mentioned.)
I hope someone knowledgeable about this subject can fix this bad writing. 2601:200:C000:1A0:39B3:8122:BB64:25B9 ( talk) 12:30, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
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I would like to change the armed forces part because the interpuntcion. this is my suggestion:
The Belgian Armed Forces have about 47,000 active troops. In 2019, Belgium's defense budget totaled €4.303 billion ($4.921 billion) representing .93% of its GDP.[102] They are organized into one unified structure which consists of four main components: Land Component or the Army, Air Component or the Air Force, Marine Component or the Navy and the Medical Component. The operational commands of the four components are subordinate to the Staff Department for Operations and Training of the Ministry of Defense, which is headed by the Assistant Chief of Staff Operations and Training, and to the Chief of Defense.[103] Pimme04 ( talk) 22:51, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
What is biggest Religion in Belgium? 112.215.242.24 ( talk) 02:06, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
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Can you add English and Luxembourgish to the “Official languages” list? Belgium has many official languages. 70.71.87.75 ( talk) 21:47, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
The sentence "Between 1885 and 1908, the Congo Free State, which was privately owned by King Leopold II of Belgium, was characterized by widespread atrocities and a population decline of millions, leading Belguim to takeover the territory as a colony." in the introductory section contains a misspelling of Belgium as 'Belguim'. 2A02:3035:C17:9E23:1:0:1C58:6B1F ( talk) 07:10, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
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Change total nominal GDP from 609.887 billion to $609.887 billion. 2601:2C2:980:6710:CB5:DD28:7211:7FCD ( talk) 18:25, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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Change total nominal GDP from $609,887 billion to $609.887 billion. Thousands separators are governed by /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Grouping_of_digits and decimal points by /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers#Decimal_points, irrespective of the language variety in use. 2601:2C2:980:6710:5DBE:8931:553D:E6DB ( talk) 17:09, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
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Change total nominal GDP from $609,887 billion to $609.887 billion. 2601:2C2:980:6710:912E:F3A:F57D:A00C ( talk) 22:33, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
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In the “Capital and largest city” section of the infobox, can you change “Brussels” to “ City of Brussels”? Brussels in the infobox is a region. 2605:8D80:404:8E9F:8132:B6DD:8428:4FCA ( talk) 00:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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"continued to interact with the their neighbours"
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Could the "ethnic groups" section be changed from "belgians" to wallons and flemish? Belgian is not an ethnic group. Maybe include all three with flemish and wallons as subgroups of belgian. 188.148.143.116 ( talk) 19:20, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Your affirmation "A major non-official holiday is the Saint-Nicolas (Sint Nicholas in English) Day, a festivity for children in Belgium and also for students" is not correct. Saint Nicholas Day is also celebrated for students in all University towns in Belgium. Many drivers stuck in the traffic would confirm it was because of the Sint Nicholas students's procession in Brussels. Eva. 23March2010-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.58.82.178 ( talk) 14:55, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
PS: ridiculous comments about Belgium once again among other stupid comments from French and other Wikipedians about other items and articles!
Is it the outcome of Wikipedia's idealistic project about which I wasted my time attending a MOOC course on the French platform FUN early this year ?? See at https://www.fun-mooc.fr/courses/WMFr/86001/session01/info.
Now I am telling you frankly after +/- 6 months personal experience: I found out all those VAIN, FUTILE 'guerres d'édition'/ 'edit warring' (such nice words!!): the black side of Wikipedia!
Matter of EGOS only !
HOW DISAPPOINTING!
Read: /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Edit_warring & https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Guerre_d%27%C3%A9dition /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Lamest_edit_wars & https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Guerres_d%27%C3%A9dition_les_plus_futiles.
Actually most of them are completely VAIN (EN) / FUTILES (FR)! Just a matter of common sense ~~-— Preceding unsigned comment added by AIlurus ( talk • contribs) 06:22, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
Just a tiny typo in the name Karel Van Noppen (in the section "Independent Belgium"). I'd correct it myself but the page is protected. The name links to a page with the correct name, Karel.-— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:1810:4f0b:500:31eb:a2eb:314f:6739 ( talk) 23:31, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
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I reverted an edit and my revert was reverted without discussion [24] so I am bringing it here. The justifying remark draws attention to a new article we have with the strange title (to me as a native English speaker) of " Francization of Brussels", and claims that it is more neutral and exact to call French a lingua franca in Brussels and not just the dominant language of Brussels. I don't get the point being made though, and I request explanation. To me, claiming that French is a lingua franca is tantamount to saying that it is a second language used by speakers of other languages. That is a quite complex claim, which needs a good source, and no new sourcing has been offered for this. As a Belgian I understand French is today simply the dominant language of Brussels. By this I mean it is the primary FIRST language of people living in Brussels. Other interesting facts may be added, but this is a big simple one which deserves to be put there up front. Am I wrong? And what is the source for this new wording? Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 19:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC) BTW as a resident of Flanders I know that many Flemish people actually deliberately push discussion to Flemish or even English because they don't want to use French as a lingua franca in Brussels, even if they would speak French happily in Paris. So this is not a simple issue here that no one ever talks about. We should pick the right wording.-- Andrew Lancaster ( talk) 19:55, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
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There is an estimated 30,000 Romani people in Belgium. Add this to the demographics section.
Source: https://minorityrights.org/country/belgium/ 103.164.138.55 ( talk) 22:36, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
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Bandyta L.N.G ( talk) 19:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
I want to change statistics because it's outdated
Article says most recent measurement of land area used new methodology, but says "Unlike previous calculations, this one included the area from the coast to the low-water line, revealing the country to be 160 km2 (62 sq mi) larger in surface area than previously thought." Last two words indicate change in thought, not change in methodology. Suggest changing to "…than measured using previous methodology." IronJohnSr ( talk) 14:49, 31 December 2023 (UTC)