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The source for the statement that "Historically, Germany has been called Das Land der Dichter und Denker ('the land of poets and thinkers') […]" doesn't explicitly state that this expression has a valid historical background, thus failing verification. In fact, I sometimes even read and hear that „Land der Dichter und Denker“ is a relatively modern self-referential term used primarily by Germans to refer to themselves, rather than a historically grown international reputation, e.g. here. Therefore, I suggest finding a better source, which supports the statement, or changing the sentence accordingly. Maxeto0910 ( talk) 19:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
See references of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichter_und_Denker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.142.117.212 ( talk) 06:15, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
This incorrectly paraphrases the linked Holocaust Wikipedia page that does not claim this bottom line and the paragraph that could be misinterpreted this way is itself debated at length in the Holocaust talk page for being a misinterpretation of sources. Even with the passive voice only insinuating that the German Government would be the one murdering entity (see the talk page of the Wikipedia Holocaust page for details), the bigger problem is the claim of 'systematic' murdering of 17 million.
The Holocaust is understood to stand out for the fact that it was premeditated and systematic. It is not a service to the victims to blur the boundaries by redefining its scope. There is a reason the word originates from 'fire sacrifice'.
The 17 million figure is three times higher, counting unconnected atrocities in. The way it is stated here is original and not claimed by anyone anywhere. That's why it doesn't have a source except pointing to the Wikipedia page. But the Holocaust page it links to also isn't phrasing it this way. 46.142.117.212 ( talk) 06:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
the world ranking of one countrys economy in its wiki page intro text is wiki standard. can I use it in the German intro text and add "world´ third biggest"? BauhausFan89 ( talk) 14:10, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
The paragraph below that is taken from the section of demographics regarding the topic of immigration in Germany illustrates the potential for confusion when the terms 'migrants' and 'refugees' are used interchangeably:
'After the United States, Germany is the second-most popular immigration destination in the world. In 2015, following the 2015 refugee crisis, the Population Division of the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs listed Germany as host to the second-highest number of international migrants worldwide, about 5% or 12 million of all 244 million migrants. Refugee crises have resulted in substantial population increases.'
This conflation is problematic as it does not address the distinctions between legal and humanitarian statuses of refugees and migrants, and uses them as though they signify the same concept. 78.179.1.222 ( talk) 00:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
I want to insert 2 pictures about German architecture; one of the Quedlingburg old town as the former ruling city of the first German kings and one of the Berlin modern architecture complexes. both sites are world heritage sites and show the the brigth spectrum of the history behind German architecture. I can use the set template which includes 2 pictures about German art. that fits totally in the site´s code and design. can I do that as described? BauhausFan89 ( talk) 13:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Put Bonn
as the capital as not many people knew it was the capital of west Germany, and many government buildings are still located there Usydydjwhxyxhx ( talk) 18:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
The article, in the 'History' section, currently reads:
Johannes Gutenberg introduced moveable-type printing to Europe, laying the basis for the democratization of knowledge. [1]
The sentence reads as weirdly specific to me as Guttenberg invented the movable-type printing press, and the article on movable-type printing is about its invention in China. Also, the article on the democratization of knowledge doesn't have anything to do with the printing press at all. JackTheSecond ( talk) 12:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
We have a few things sourced to WP:STATISTA. Over outright deletion..let see if we can track down the real sources. Moxy🍁 20:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
the right side of the text is clearly set for the use of images. how can I not use most or all of the right side? the part about modern Germany needs at least one picture to represent the modern times. and why not 2? and the historic Paulskirche picture also fitted in nicely. why was it removed. and please state more then "layout issues". Would you be so kind to explain the term. what can I do to fit an image on the right side. BauhausFan89 ( talk) 16:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Using the terms refugee and migrant interchangably in this same paragraph results in confusion and potential misinformation, as seen below;
After the United States, Germany is the second-most popular immigration destination in the world. In 2015, following the 2015 refugee crisis, the Population Division of the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs listed Germany as host to the second-highest number of international migrants worldwide, about 5% or 12 million of all 244 million migrants. Refugee crises have resulted in substantial population increases. For example, the major influx of Ukrainian immigrants following the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, meaning over 1.06 million refugees from Ukraine were recorded in Germany as of April 2023. As of 2019, Germany ranks seventh among EU countries in terms of the percentage of migrants in the country's population, at 13.1%. In 2022, there were 23.8 million people, 28.7 percent of the total population, who had a migration background.
"... 1.06 million refugees from Ukraine were recorded in Germany as of April 2023. As of 2019, Germany ranks seventh among EU countries in terms of the percentage of migrants in the country's population..." The terms refugee and migrant have different meanings and are not meant to be used interchangeably. Kekolataaa ( talk) 03:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Nikkimaria Why exactly do you find these irrelevant? Especially the population pyramid, which is crucial to understand German society and policies, especially related to immigration.
Moreover, why did you remove the paragraph on the appearance of Christianity and Judaism in the 4th century, and the sentence on the Jewish population's decline after WW2? Shoshin000 ( talk) 08:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
as in cant see properly even when clicked
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The source for the statement that "Historically, Germany has been called Das Land der Dichter und Denker ('the land of poets and thinkers') […]" doesn't explicitly state that this expression has a valid historical background, thus failing verification. In fact, I sometimes even read and hear that „Land der Dichter und Denker“ is a relatively modern self-referential term used primarily by Germans to refer to themselves, rather than a historically grown international reputation, e.g. here. Therefore, I suggest finding a better source, which supports the statement, or changing the sentence accordingly. Maxeto0910 ( talk) 19:45, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
See references of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichter_und_Denker. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.142.117.212 ( talk) 06:15, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
This incorrectly paraphrases the linked Holocaust Wikipedia page that does not claim this bottom line and the paragraph that could be misinterpreted this way is itself debated at length in the Holocaust talk page for being a misinterpretation of sources. Even with the passive voice only insinuating that the German Government would be the one murdering entity (see the talk page of the Wikipedia Holocaust page for details), the bigger problem is the claim of 'systematic' murdering of 17 million.
The Holocaust is understood to stand out for the fact that it was premeditated and systematic. It is not a service to the victims to blur the boundaries by redefining its scope. There is a reason the word originates from 'fire sacrifice'.
The 17 million figure is three times higher, counting unconnected atrocities in. The way it is stated here is original and not claimed by anyone anywhere. That's why it doesn't have a source except pointing to the Wikipedia page. But the Holocaust page it links to also isn't phrasing it this way. 46.142.117.212 ( talk) 06:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
the world ranking of one countrys economy in its wiki page intro text is wiki standard. can I use it in the German intro text and add "world´ third biggest"? BauhausFan89 ( talk) 14:10, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
The paragraph below that is taken from the section of demographics regarding the topic of immigration in Germany illustrates the potential for confusion when the terms 'migrants' and 'refugees' are used interchangeably:
'After the United States, Germany is the second-most popular immigration destination in the world. In 2015, following the 2015 refugee crisis, the Population Division of the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs listed Germany as host to the second-highest number of international migrants worldwide, about 5% or 12 million of all 244 million migrants. Refugee crises have resulted in substantial population increases.'
This conflation is problematic as it does not address the distinctions between legal and humanitarian statuses of refugees and migrants, and uses them as though they signify the same concept. 78.179.1.222 ( talk) 00:49, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
I want to insert 2 pictures about German architecture; one of the Quedlingburg old town as the former ruling city of the first German kings and one of the Berlin modern architecture complexes. both sites are world heritage sites and show the the brigth spectrum of the history behind German architecture. I can use the set template which includes 2 pictures about German art. that fits totally in the site´s code and design. can I do that as described? BauhausFan89 ( talk) 13:12, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
Put Bonn
as the capital as not many people knew it was the capital of west Germany, and many government buildings are still located there Usydydjwhxyxhx ( talk) 18:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
The article, in the 'History' section, currently reads:
Johannes Gutenberg introduced moveable-type printing to Europe, laying the basis for the democratization of knowledge. [1]
The sentence reads as weirdly specific to me as Guttenberg invented the movable-type printing press, and the article on movable-type printing is about its invention in China. Also, the article on the democratization of knowledge doesn't have anything to do with the printing press at all. JackTheSecond ( talk) 12:36, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
We have a few things sourced to WP:STATISTA. Over outright deletion..let see if we can track down the real sources. Moxy🍁 20:40, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
the right side of the text is clearly set for the use of images. how can I not use most or all of the right side? the part about modern Germany needs at least one picture to represent the modern times. and why not 2? and the historic Paulskirche picture also fitted in nicely. why was it removed. and please state more then "layout issues". Would you be so kind to explain the term. what can I do to fit an image on the right side. BauhausFan89 ( talk) 16:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Using the terms refugee and migrant interchangably in this same paragraph results in confusion and potential misinformation, as seen below;
After the United States, Germany is the second-most popular immigration destination in the world. In 2015, following the 2015 refugee crisis, the Population Division of the United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs listed Germany as host to the second-highest number of international migrants worldwide, about 5% or 12 million of all 244 million migrants. Refugee crises have resulted in substantial population increases. For example, the major influx of Ukrainian immigrants following the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, meaning over 1.06 million refugees from Ukraine were recorded in Germany as of April 2023. As of 2019, Germany ranks seventh among EU countries in terms of the percentage of migrants in the country's population, at 13.1%. In 2022, there were 23.8 million people, 28.7 percent of the total population, who had a migration background.
"... 1.06 million refugees from Ukraine were recorded in Germany as of April 2023. As of 2019, Germany ranks seventh among EU countries in terms of the percentage of migrants in the country's population..." The terms refugee and migrant have different meanings and are not meant to be used interchangeably. Kekolataaa ( talk) 03:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
@ Nikkimaria Why exactly do you find these irrelevant? Especially the population pyramid, which is crucial to understand German society and policies, especially related to immigration.
Moreover, why did you remove the paragraph on the appearance of Christianity and Judaism in the 4th century, and the sentence on the Jewish population's decline after WW2? Shoshin000 ( talk) 08:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
as in cant see properly even when clicked