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Don't sell people bullshit like this in the article. Do you know word "propaganda"? Sucharski national hero should be remember like a coward. Read some facts and know that he was the one who encourage soldiers to fight.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.26.64 ( talk) 18:31, September 1, 2007 (UTC)
As I stated in my edit summary, estimated total casualties of around 3-400 men, out of a force of several thousand (when including naval participants, etc., not just the 3,500 ground troops) is definitely not a pyrrhic victory. It has therefore been removed. Parsecboy ( talk) 04:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
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The murder of POW Kazimierz Rasinski by the Germans is now sourced.-- Molobo ( talk) 00:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually there is a version he became a willing collaborator. -- RamboKadyrov ( talk) 12:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I recently added a "citation needed" to Dabrowski being the de facto commander of most of the battle. This is not because I disagree with the information, but because I do not know a source that confirms it. If any editor could have access to a source and provide a reference, that would be great. I apologize that I do not know much about Polish history or have access to such sources. Thank you. Ripberger ( talk) 02:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
How long does one normally wait for citations before the uncited claims are removed or at least recharacterized? As I understand it, there is a dispute about the historical facts of the matter of Sucharski's breakdown and who was in command. Without historical evidence this article should be edited to reflect the nature of the controversy and should not come across as settled history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.238.157.245 ( talk) 18:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
The section subtitled Casualties needs to be reworked.
It comes across weasely and unencyclopedic. Beyond the weasely terminology, you have too wide of variations in the German casualty totals. It would seem highly unlikely that in the twenty-first century, accurate and unbiased figures aren't available. I regret to say that the official version from the People's Republic of Poland would not be the best source to use. Dr. Dan ( talk) 02:32, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The article sates that..."The heroic defense of Westerplatte served as an inspiration for the country (Poland) when the successful German advances continued elsewhere in Poland"... seems more probably the sentiment felt today, rather than in the first week of September 1939. How and to whom were the events that were transpiring during this "battle" made available to the Polish nation? Just who was inspired by this battle during the German Invasion, a period of great chaos, which ended quite quickly? I believe a source for it has been requested. Dr. Dan ( talk) 02:17, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
(OD) You're welcome. So does the the statement belong in the article or not? Specifically..."The heroic defense of Westerplatte served as an inspiration for the country when the successful German advances continued elsewhere in Poland"... The request for a citation has not been fulfilled, yet. There must be something, somewhere, some newspaper clipping, some magazine article, some lecture, some archive from Polskie Radio, that verifies that statement. Then we can all move on to something else. "Wikipedia Borat", no. Dr. Dan ( talk) 04:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 22:08, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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The current casualty count in the article stands at "16-50 Germans dead" and cites a source. This source, in Polish, reads that 16 Kriegsmarine alone died. This doesn't count the Wehrmacht forces involved in the action, who suffered more casualties. The number of dead should be around 50 at the minimum, not 16. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8804:985:6800:D0E:6018:54C3:E960 ( talk) 22:13, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Is this a propaganda page for Polish nationalists? I suggest using Polish books by Polish authors unacceptable on the English-language Wikipedia. There are more balanced assessments available in English. 2A00:23C4:B63A:1800:B12E:460B:9C74:16D2 ( talk) 16:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
This early revision of the article seems to use British English. It seems now to be written in a mixture of dialects. Any objection on restandardising on UK English, per WP:RETAIN? John ( talk) 19:53, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
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Don't sell people bullshit like this in the article. Do you know word "propaganda"? Sucharski national hero should be remember like a coward. Read some facts and know that he was the one who encourage soldiers to fight.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.26.64 ( talk) 18:31, September 1, 2007 (UTC)
As I stated in my edit summary, estimated total casualties of around 3-400 men, out of a force of several thousand (when including naval participants, etc., not just the 3,500 ground troops) is definitely not a pyrrhic victory. It has therefore been removed. Parsecboy ( talk) 04:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
The image Image:Schleswig Holstein ostrzeliwuje Westerplatte 39 09 01 b.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
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The murder of POW Kazimierz Rasinski by the Germans is now sourced.-- Molobo ( talk) 00:15, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Actually there is a version he became a willing collaborator. -- RamboKadyrov ( talk) 12:54, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I recently added a "citation needed" to Dabrowski being the de facto commander of most of the battle. This is not because I disagree with the information, but because I do not know a source that confirms it. If any editor could have access to a source and provide a reference, that would be great. I apologize that I do not know much about Polish history or have access to such sources. Thank you. Ripberger ( talk) 02:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
How long does one normally wait for citations before the uncited claims are removed or at least recharacterized? As I understand it, there is a dispute about the historical facts of the matter of Sucharski's breakdown and who was in command. Without historical evidence this article should be edited to reflect the nature of the controversy and should not come across as settled history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.238.157.245 ( talk) 18:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
The section subtitled Casualties needs to be reworked.
It comes across weasely and unencyclopedic. Beyond the weasely terminology, you have too wide of variations in the German casualty totals. It would seem highly unlikely that in the twenty-first century, accurate and unbiased figures aren't available. I regret to say that the official version from the People's Republic of Poland would not be the best source to use. Dr. Dan ( talk) 02:32, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
The article sates that..."The heroic defense of Westerplatte served as an inspiration for the country (Poland) when the successful German advances continued elsewhere in Poland"... seems more probably the sentiment felt today, rather than in the first week of September 1939. How and to whom were the events that were transpiring during this "battle" made available to the Polish nation? Just who was inspired by this battle during the German Invasion, a period of great chaos, which ended quite quickly? I believe a source for it has been requested. Dr. Dan ( talk) 02:17, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
(OD) You're welcome. So does the the statement belong in the article or not? Specifically..."The heroic defense of Westerplatte served as an inspiration for the country when the successful German advances continued elsewhere in Poland"... The request for a citation has not been fulfilled, yet. There must be something, somewhere, some newspaper clipping, some magazine article, some lecture, some archive from Polskie Radio, that verifies that statement. Then we can all move on to something else. "Wikipedia Borat", no. Dr. Dan ( talk) 04:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
This article is currently at start/C class, but could be improved to B-class if it had more (inline) citations. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 22:08, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
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The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page has been nominated for deletion:
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The current casualty count in the article stands at "16-50 Germans dead" and cites a source. This source, in Polish, reads that 16 Kriegsmarine alone died. This doesn't count the Wehrmacht forces involved in the action, who suffered more casualties. The number of dead should be around 50 at the minimum, not 16. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8804:985:6800:D0E:6018:54C3:E960 ( talk) 22:13, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Is this a propaganda page for Polish nationalists? I suggest using Polish books by Polish authors unacceptable on the English-language Wikipedia. There are more balanced assessments available in English. 2A00:23C4:B63A:1800:B12E:460B:9C74:16D2 ( talk) 16:47, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
This early revision of the article seems to use British English. It seems now to be written in a mixture of dialects. Any objection on restandardising on UK English, per WP:RETAIN? John ( talk) 19:53, 1 September 2022 (UTC)