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It is generally acknowledged that The Shadow had some influence in the origin of Batman. A number of times in the pulp "The Shadow Laughs" (Oct 1, 1931), The Shadow was said to have a "bat-like shadow".( 88.22.194.66 ( talk) 15:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC))
Just noticed the most recent edit in which a user went through and placed all of the commas on the outside of the quotation marks. In order to forestall a revert by a newer editor (such as myself), I thought I would take a moment to point out that this is indeed consistant with Wikipedia's manual of style. As an American, seeing punctuation outside of quotation marks is like fingernails down a chalkboard, but for whatever reason it is apparently the official policy here, and so should be left in place. TI. Gracchus ( talk) 20:56, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
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he is not a fictional character he is a public icon
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Bruce Wayne
Selina kyle
Dick Grayson
Thomas Wayne
Martha Wayne
he is a jackass
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203.100.223.113 ( talk) 06:37, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
If there aren't enough references to fictional chemicals in the Batman article that's rather sad; really most Dc and Marvel Super Hero's have 4 PhD's on average even if they don't officially have them. Batman has at least 8 under that utility belt. There are easily references to prove Batman is a genius in multiple fields of science based off his impossible and nearly impossible scientific accomplishments which continue to inspire children and scientists after over 70 years. CensoredScribe ( talk) 18:13, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
I was wondering if any versions of Batman do not have the Batmobile. Also, does he not drive the Batmobile more than he flies the Batplane? Should category fictional aviators be removed? CensoredScribe ( talk) 21:06, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
What is the community consensus on whether Batman corsses the line from vigilante into outlaw territory? Would this apply to the Dark Knight Batman but not regular Batman, both or neither? CensoredScribe ( talk) 18:04, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Any idea what fighting styles Batman is practising? Clegg Holdfast ( talk) 00:16, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Can we add a note to the Creation section which points out the remarkable similarity of the batman character design to this much earlier Spring Heeled Jack artwork (circa 1904) from a series of English 'penny dreadfuls'.
The decription of the earlier wings, before Finger made the cloak change, makes the design even more similar to the eariler spring heeled jack image.
It seems very likely that the batman character design was influenced by these earlier images of spring heeled jack.
See the wikipedia article Spring Heeled Jack
I am not the first to notice this similarity earlier spring heeled jack image looks remarkably like batman (fark.com thread)
21:07, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
The similarity of Spring Heeled Jack to Batman comes strictly from his bat-like scalloped cape, which is one of the costume suggestions Finger made to Kane, among others he admitted were influenced by The Phantom. The question I have relates to Kane's early concept of The Bat-Man as a Superman like character with bat wings; the only direct connection to The Shadow via Kane is a black and red costume, which can be dismissed when you notice that all he did was reverse the colors in Superman's own color scheme and replaced blue with black. In regard to the scalloped cape idea coming from Spring Heeled Jack, I don't see how Wiki could mention it without a quote from Finger admitting that he saw the character, otherwise it could be dismissed as "coincidental". MARK VENTURE ( talk) 00:59, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
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At Batman Begins, the infobox has said the film was based on Batman as created by both Bob Kane and Bill Finger, like this article mentions both of them. However, the film only credits Kane officially, and an editor wants to take out Finger because Finger is not officially credited with Kane. There is a discussion on the film article's talk page about who to identify: Talk:Batman Begins#Batman Based on. Editors who watchlist this article are invited to comment. Thanks, Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 13:19, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
The reason why Finger isn't "officially acknowledged" by DC Comics is the same reason why Harry Peter (who designed her costume) isn't acknowledged as Wonder Woman's Co-Creator: Kane and Marston made the deals with DC while Finger and Peter made their deals with the Creators, Kane and Marston. At DC's sister company All-American, Peter was allowed to sign his artwork but if he received anything else, it was through a deal with Marston. By the way, Finger received bylines for the writing he did on Green Lantern and Wildcat but I don't know if these included Co-Creator acknowledgement or even partial ownership. MARK VENTURE ( talk) 21:21, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of Frank Robbins? Mr.Robbins was very instrumental in returning The Batman series to its gothic roots. Before Denny O'Neil entered the picture, artists such as Neal Adams, Irv Novick and Bob Brown had already begun drawing Batman in a more mysterious fashion akin to his early days. In an interview in either Outre or Filmfax (I can't remember which) Adams said that he was inspired by Christopher Lee's "cape-work" in the Hammer series of Dracula films. He said something like "I thought to myself, that's how Batman's cape should be!" In a story reprinted in Showcase Batman vol.4 Frank Robbins did a story where the Scarecrow used a gas to make Gotham's criminals afraid of Batman, often referring to him once again as "The Batman". And finally, two months before "Secret of The Waiting Graves" was published, Frank Robbins and Irv Novick produced "One Bullet,Too Many" which sent Robin off to college while Batman closed Wayne Manor and moved into the city. Even before O'Neil got the assignment, the way was being paved for the return of a grittier Batman and it was led primarily by the artists and one very important artist\writer. I am not suggesting Denny O'Neil didn't have a role but he has too often been characterized as the only one who had the idea to go back to the basics and this article is no exception. MARK VENTURE ( talk) 01:23, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
How about these? The first two came from the Frank Robbins Wikipedia site. The third is that Scarecrow story which came out several months before "The Secret Of The Waiting Graves" and may have been plotted at least as many as two months or more before that. This may be close to "original research" because as far as I know, DC has never acknowledged it or even reader response to it as influential in the decision to go back to a more mysterious tone for the series but "One Bullet Too Many" has been cited in books such as Batman: From The 30s To The 70s and elsewhere, such as by McAvennie.
McAvennie, Michael; Dolan, Hannah, ed. (2010). "1960s". DC Comics Year By Year A Visual Chronicle. Dorling Kindersley. p. 135. ISBN 978-0-7566-6742-9. "When Dick Grayson moved out of Wayne Manor to begin college, writer Frank Robbins and artist Irv Novick orchestrated a chain reaction of events that forever altered Batman's personality."
Robbins, Frank (w), Novick, Irv (p), Giordano, Dick (i). "One Bullet Too Many!" Batman 217 (December 1969)
Robbins, Frank (w), Brown, Bob (p), Giella, Joe (i). "Batman's Evil Eye" Detective Comics 389 (July 1969) MARK VENTURE ( talk) 17:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't Batman's master level of intimidation be mentioned in his abilities? It may not be a conventional form of combat, but it still is important for such a shadowy hero like Batman. EmmanuelSandersIsNotDead ( talk) 01:49, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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The newest story arc is " Batman: Endgame", which redefines Batman's origin in The New 52.
Batman titles however often ignored that a distinction had been made between the pre-revamp and post-revamp Batmen (since unlike The Flash or Green Lantern, Batman comics had been published without interruption through the 1950s) and would occasionally make reference to stories from the Golden Age. [1] Nevertheless, details of Batman's history were altered or expanded upon through the decades.
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Under New 52, the newest story arc is listed as "Batman: Zero Year," but it should be replaced with the newest arc "Batman: Endgame."
Under Silver Age, there is a minor mistake. "on occasionally" should be changed to "occasionally."
Morales.andres98 ( talk) 07:16, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Greetings Batman fans, I didn't add this to the article myself because I can't gauge the relevant place to put it (if anywhere), but DC Comics are taking up a legal battle with a leading soccer club in Spain over the bat image. Is this, at this stage, too trivial for this article?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30143924
'''tAD''' ( talk) 18:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
This is a very old article—it was promoted to Featured Article status in 2004 when the process was very new and standards were still being developed. It was reviewed again in 2006, when standards were still very low. There have since been over 8000 edits made to the article ( here's the article on 10 June 2006)—18k more readable prose, ignoring all the prose that has been replaced, and much of the added material is still uncited. The article is unbalanced and unfocused, the quotes are too numerous and too long, and an article missing so many citations couldn't possibly pass muster as an FA today. I think it's time for a Featured Article Review—and, if nobody's dedicated enough to fix the article's considerable flaws (which will be, yes, a lot of work), I think it should be delisted. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:49, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
The "Gay Interpretations" should not be in the main Batman article. Other interpretations of Batman would also go here, and since the character is so scrutinized by cultural historians and other scholars, this particular interpretation does not warrant its own section. The idea of a superhero being gay has shock value to it, which is why it was put into the article in the first place. There is already a Wikipedia article on the subject, and a link to that section would do just fine. If we have a "Gay Interpretations" section, then other analogies would also go here, but that would certainly make the article too long and irrelevant. JosephSpiral ( talk) 04:29, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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95.186.174.166 ( talk) 14:29, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
"... Batman's costume was modified to incorporate a yellow ellipse behind the bat-insignia"
It was stated at the time that the ellipse was added behind the insignia to represent the Bat-Signal.
96.224.212.159 ( talk) 16:56, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
i its me the one above all the god of life — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.114.172.47 ( talk) 19:07, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
The "Modern Age" subsection is extremely lengthy and overly detailed. It is the longest subsection in the entire page. I implore someone to please take the time and edit it to make it concise. A thank you, from all of us, to whichever brave soul can do this task. JosephSpiral ( talk) 09:21, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
The phrase "Finger didn't receive the same recognition..." leaves the impression that he was entitled to it. And Jerry Robinson's comment comparing Kane and Finger to Siegel and Shuster isn't quite accurate: Siegel and Shuster were partners in all things, business and production but Kane and Finger were not. Since Mr.Robinson was once president of the National Cartoonists Society, he must have known that in an art or comic book studio, two people may work on a given project but the boss is still the boss and if he or she only wants her name on her comic strip, that's the be all and end all; as long as they have their assistants sign work-for-hire agreements, copyrights are also not an issue. As far as Batman is concerned, it was Kane who had the deal with DC and Finger was never Kane's business partner. That's American Business 101. This is also the case with Wonder Woman Co-Creators William Marston and H.G.Peter but let's just stick with The Batman.
I realize this is not a forum but I say this as a stopgap: whether or not we "believe" Kane "should have" given Finger "credit" for his contributions, or he was "wise" not to, based on Finger's track record for how he managed his own career after he left Kane, it's irrelevant to the subject of the article: The Batman as a character, and the who, what, when and why of his creation; a statement like "Finger wasn't given the same recognition..." is too close to bias. It should either be removed or qualified by mentioning that Kane never made Finger a full partner nor was he given a share in the "business" of Batman. On a side note, Bill Finger is acknowledged whenever his stories are reprinted or the origins of Batman's creation are discussed in DC Comics literature. What he doesn't receive is part of the "Batman Created By..." notation for the above-mentioned reasons; not merely because of the size of anyone's ego, real or perceived.
Also, as it does now, the article shouldn't confuse inner studio "credit" with whatever policies DC or All American may have had as they are separate matters. At the time of Batman's creation, DC didn't have a "bullpen" of work for hire freelancers; they had agreements or "accounts" with independent cartoonists who submitted their work to National (DC Comics) to be published. According to Jerry Robinson in his 2003 (?)Comics Journal interview, there wasn't a fully formed Bullpen of freelancers until about late 41 or in 1942. And after the merger with All American in the mid to late 40s, DC was no longer willing to accept product from outside sources. (As related in Mark Evanier's Kirby: The King OF Comics vol. one.)
Finally, I repeat my suggestion that the Kane and Finger articles be locked, in addition to the Batman article. There's just too much misinformation out there, especially on some of these Bat-Fan blogs. MARK VENTURE ( talk) 06:32, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
The word "playboy" in the second paragraph describing Bruce Wayne links to the Wikipedia entry for Playboy magazine. This not a correct use of the term in this context and can potentially lead minors to objectionable material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.56.9.70 ( talk) 05:35, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
There's a discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Captain Disdain/drafty bit regarding an 2005-2008 old draft at User:Captain Disdain/drafty bit which looks like it could be a potential for spin-off from Batman#Cultural_impact but if anyone here has an opinion on whether there's anything that's not already here, please comment at the MFD if you could. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 22:17, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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I'm requesting for someone to make an edit to Batman's abilities. This is my favorite character, and I'd hate to see that the majority of his abilities are missing. He is very, very skilled in what he does and it needs to be updated. I will list his abilities here:
Genius Level Intellect, Peak Physical and Mental Conditioning, Master of 127 Martial Arts, Master in Interrogation, Master Acrobat, Master Escapologist, Master Strategist, Master Swordsman, Master Tactician, Master Marksman, Master of Archery, Use of High-Tech Equipment, Weapons, Armor, & Gadgets, Master of Stealth & Disguise, Advance Scientific and Technological Proficiency, Master Observation Skills, Access to Vast Wealth and Criminal Records, Trained Computer Hacker, and Photographic Memory
If this could get corrected I'd greatly appreciate it, thank you.
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Matches Malone redirects here. In the comics, Malone was a small time criminal who was killed early in Batman's career. Batman adopted Malone's identity as a disguise, and still uses the identity when undercover in comic books to this day. Considering that Malone is a redirect to this article, shouldn't we create a small section explaining who Malone was and why Batman uses that alias? Dark Knight 2149 05:59, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
David Mazouz was listed as playing "Batman" in the last sentence of the last lead paragraph, because he plays a young Bruce Wayne on the TV show Gotham. As I see it, this actor is not playing the costumed-persona that is Batman. Rather, he is playing a young Bruce Wayne, and we have never seen him in the Batman costume. Therefore, we should list him as someone who has played Batman onscreen. If we're to list child actors playing Bruce, then we should list all the child actors who played him in all the Joe Chill murder scene adaptations on film. I don't think we should be listing any of these child actors who have only played a young Bruce Wayne and never the costumed superhero that is Batman. Furthermore, until the actor actually appears in costume, which he may or may not, it is inappropriate to list him as playing Batman. What are editors thoughts on this? DrRNC ( talk) 05:21, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
It says in the introduction that "Batman's secret identity is Bruce Wayne", but surely it should be "Batman is the secret identity of Bruce Wayne", shouldn't it? 86.152.162.152 ( talk) 01:29, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
DC lists Batman's "powers" as "exceptional martial artist, combat strategy, inexhaustible wealth, brilliant deductive skill, advanced technology" http://www.dccomics.com/characters/batman 71.233.28.85 ( talk) 00:25, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that Superman has had his infobox image changed to one of Alex Ross' pieces of work, now the previous was done by Jim Lee and of course that images serves as a companion piece to the current image used on Batman's page, and the new Superman image also has it's own Batman counterpart [1], so may I suggest that the Ross image become Batman's next infobox picture. If it helps any, the same has also been done to Wonder Woman's page as well. Teridax122 ( talk) 07:01, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
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Category:Corporate mascots 76.88.107.122 ( talk) 15:40, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
OK, this is a minor issue, but...
"Genius" is a noun, not an adjective, and by definition means intellect. So writing "genius intellect" is like writing "car vehicle" or "banana fruit". We could write "genius", or "intellect", but having both is a tautology. Popcornduff ( talk) 10:59, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
DC Comics themselves list his powers as "exceptional martial artist, combat strategy, inexhaustible wealth, brilliant deductive skill, advanced technology". How about we just stick to that?-- Atlan ( talk) 13:44, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
This article states that batman debuted in 1939 when he debuted in 1937.
Splooshamus ( talk) 17:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
I, for one, feel the allegation that Batman is plagiarized from The Shadow, recently strengthened by the discovery of Bob Kane's art swipes from Dick Tracy, Tarzan, and The Shadow pulps, is noteworthy and should be included in this article. Notably, Batman's entire first appearance is plagiarized from The Shadow pulp entitled "Partners of Peril", and many of the accompanying illustrations are similarly copied therein. His dual identity of Bruce Wayne / Batman has always been eerily familiar to wealthy industrialist Lamont Cranston, and his 'Knight of Darkness' vigilante alter-ego, The Shadow, to say nothing of their obvious cosmetic similarities. None of this is mentioned, let alone highlighted, in this article at all. Outside of an offhanded mention that Bill Finger was inspired by pulp heroes, it is never mentioned at all. DC have been vigilant in suppressing any discussion of this topic over the years, and Wikipedia, by failing to acknowledge or include it, make themselves complicit.
Someone took pains to mention comic artist Greg Land's art-swiping and alleged tracing in his article... yet Wikipedia willfully ignores that Bob Kane and Bill Finger did the exact same thing, while stealing the story to go along with it, no less? These allegations absolutely merit a mention in this article. Indeed, any article on the history of Batman would be incomplete without it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptnSpandex ( talk • contribs) 09:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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1. Leonard B. Robinson's name has been spelled incorrectly under the Batman Impersonators section. Please change Lenord to Leonard.
2. Also, Leonard now has his own wiki page. Once the edit above is done, link 'Leonard B. Robinson' to the link ' /info/en/?search=Lenny_B._Robinson'.
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I have become very concerned, given that this is a featured article and, for the past several months, it has been heavily edited. Aside from adding new information, I really don't think this should be necessary given that it's, again, a featured article. Perhaps I'm missing something, but should it's status be reassessed? All of these edits and relatively massive changes seem a bit odd for an article of featured status. Dark Knight 2149 21:56, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
And on that note, I will be requesting a Featured Article review. Thank you all for your insightful responses. Dark Knight 2149 01:30, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
There was a previous discussion a few months ago regarding the infobox picture. A potential candidate was an Alex Ross image but not deemed optimal. The current Jim Lee image was believed to be better, although not ideal since it does not show the full costume. As part of a recent campaign, DC Comics has released some promotional art of its characters with their costumes in full frontal view. This image (Image #1) of Batman was released in June 2016. It's also drawn by Jim Lee with inks by Scott Williams and Lex Sinclair. What are editors' thoughts of this image for the infobox? DrRC ( talk) 17:21, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Here are some others. The artwork in Image #2 by Tony Daniel is of considerably higher quality, and I think it's the best candidate for the infobox. Also, it shows Batman in action doing what he does in the comics. Here are two Jim Lee images: Image #3 and Image #4. The latter, however, obscures the bat symbol in shadows. DrRC ( talk) 22:49, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
I changed the infobox image using #2 per our discussion. DrRC ( talk) 03:52, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
I've noticed that, for months now, users have been trying to jump the gun on the Batman reboot and it's rumoured title "The Batman". So naturally, as soon as Affleck acknowledged the title, it made its way onto Wikipedia. Well, Affleck just clarified his statements. It turns out, not only is "The Batman" still not the official title, but the film is still in early development. I should probably remind everyone that we are not in a hurry. It's not official until it's official. I admit that, after Affleck made the initial statement, it looked like a confirmation. However, people have been trying to add this long before even that. Wikipedia will still be here when an actual announcement arises. Don't worry. Dark Knight 2149 13:50, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
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The last part under Robin is outdated as Damian was resurrected by Batman, and is the current Robin starring in both Teen Titans and Supersons. Harper Row never partnered with Batman, and is quickly fading to obscurity. Duke should be mentioned, even if he is not Robin and apparently going to function independently from Batman (?).
What about something like this (below) after the phrase 'After Stephanie Brown's apparent death, Drake resumed the role of Robin for a time.'
"When Dick Grayson temporarily became Batman in the late 2000s, he chose Damian Wayne, the ten-year-old son of Bruce Wayne and Talia al Ghul as his Robin in order to save the boy from himself [Batman and Robin (2009) #1, Secret Origins (2014) #4]. Damian eventually became his father's current Robin, and despite their similarities and Damian's violent upbringing, father and son were able to build a relationship [Batman and Robin (2011)]. Batman's newest partner is Duke Thomas, who previously fought crime in a group of teenagers who took on the identity of Robin [Batman Rebirth #1, We are Robin (2015)]."
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It is generally acknowledged that The Shadow had some influence in the origin of Batman. A number of times in the pulp "The Shadow Laughs" (Oct 1, 1931), The Shadow was said to have a "bat-like shadow".( 88.22.194.66 ( talk) 15:47, 18 February 2014 (UTC))
Just noticed the most recent edit in which a user went through and placed all of the commas on the outside of the quotation marks. In order to forestall a revert by a newer editor (such as myself), I thought I would take a moment to point out that this is indeed consistant with Wikipedia's manual of style. As an American, seeing punctuation outside of quotation marks is like fingernails down a chalkboard, but for whatever reason it is apparently the official policy here, and so should be left in place. TI. Gracchus ( talk) 20:56, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
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he is not a fictional character he is a public icon
commissioner omvig
Bruce Wayne
Selina kyle
Dick Grayson
Thomas Wayne
Martha Wayne
he is a jackass
Jason todd
203.100.223.113 ( talk) 06:37, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
If there aren't enough references to fictional chemicals in the Batman article that's rather sad; really most Dc and Marvel Super Hero's have 4 PhD's on average even if they don't officially have them. Batman has at least 8 under that utility belt. There are easily references to prove Batman is a genius in multiple fields of science based off his impossible and nearly impossible scientific accomplishments which continue to inspire children and scientists after over 70 years. CensoredScribe ( talk) 18:13, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
I was wondering if any versions of Batman do not have the Batmobile. Also, does he not drive the Batmobile more than he flies the Batplane? Should category fictional aviators be removed? CensoredScribe ( talk) 21:06, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
What is the community consensus on whether Batman corsses the line from vigilante into outlaw territory? Would this apply to the Dark Knight Batman but not regular Batman, both or neither? CensoredScribe ( talk) 18:04, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Any idea what fighting styles Batman is practising? Clegg Holdfast ( talk) 00:16, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Can we add a note to the Creation section which points out the remarkable similarity of the batman character design to this much earlier Spring Heeled Jack artwork (circa 1904) from a series of English 'penny dreadfuls'.
The decription of the earlier wings, before Finger made the cloak change, makes the design even more similar to the eariler spring heeled jack image.
It seems very likely that the batman character design was influenced by these earlier images of spring heeled jack.
See the wikipedia article Spring Heeled Jack
I am not the first to notice this similarity earlier spring heeled jack image looks remarkably like batman (fark.com thread)
21:07, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
The similarity of Spring Heeled Jack to Batman comes strictly from his bat-like scalloped cape, which is one of the costume suggestions Finger made to Kane, among others he admitted were influenced by The Phantom. The question I have relates to Kane's early concept of The Bat-Man as a Superman like character with bat wings; the only direct connection to The Shadow via Kane is a black and red costume, which can be dismissed when you notice that all he did was reverse the colors in Superman's own color scheme and replaced blue with black. In regard to the scalloped cape idea coming from Spring Heeled Jack, I don't see how Wiki could mention it without a quote from Finger admitting that he saw the character, otherwise it could be dismissed as "coincidental". MARK VENTURE ( talk) 00:59, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
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At Batman Begins, the infobox has said the film was based on Batman as created by both Bob Kane and Bill Finger, like this article mentions both of them. However, the film only credits Kane officially, and an editor wants to take out Finger because Finger is not officially credited with Kane. There is a discussion on the film article's talk page about who to identify: Talk:Batman Begins#Batman Based on. Editors who watchlist this article are invited to comment. Thanks, Erik ( talk | contrib) ( ping me) 13:19, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
The reason why Finger isn't "officially acknowledged" by DC Comics is the same reason why Harry Peter (who designed her costume) isn't acknowledged as Wonder Woman's Co-Creator: Kane and Marston made the deals with DC while Finger and Peter made their deals with the Creators, Kane and Marston. At DC's sister company All-American, Peter was allowed to sign his artwork but if he received anything else, it was through a deal with Marston. By the way, Finger received bylines for the writing he did on Green Lantern and Wildcat but I don't know if these included Co-Creator acknowledgement or even partial ownership. MARK VENTURE ( talk) 21:21, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of Frank Robbins? Mr.Robbins was very instrumental in returning The Batman series to its gothic roots. Before Denny O'Neil entered the picture, artists such as Neal Adams, Irv Novick and Bob Brown had already begun drawing Batman in a more mysterious fashion akin to his early days. In an interview in either Outre or Filmfax (I can't remember which) Adams said that he was inspired by Christopher Lee's "cape-work" in the Hammer series of Dracula films. He said something like "I thought to myself, that's how Batman's cape should be!" In a story reprinted in Showcase Batman vol.4 Frank Robbins did a story where the Scarecrow used a gas to make Gotham's criminals afraid of Batman, often referring to him once again as "The Batman". And finally, two months before "Secret of The Waiting Graves" was published, Frank Robbins and Irv Novick produced "One Bullet,Too Many" which sent Robin off to college while Batman closed Wayne Manor and moved into the city. Even before O'Neil got the assignment, the way was being paved for the return of a grittier Batman and it was led primarily by the artists and one very important artist\writer. I am not suggesting Denny O'Neil didn't have a role but he has too often been characterized as the only one who had the idea to go back to the basics and this article is no exception. MARK VENTURE ( talk) 01:23, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
How about these? The first two came from the Frank Robbins Wikipedia site. The third is that Scarecrow story which came out several months before "The Secret Of The Waiting Graves" and may have been plotted at least as many as two months or more before that. This may be close to "original research" because as far as I know, DC has never acknowledged it or even reader response to it as influential in the decision to go back to a more mysterious tone for the series but "One Bullet Too Many" has been cited in books such as Batman: From The 30s To The 70s and elsewhere, such as by McAvennie.
McAvennie, Michael; Dolan, Hannah, ed. (2010). "1960s". DC Comics Year By Year A Visual Chronicle. Dorling Kindersley. p. 135. ISBN 978-0-7566-6742-9. "When Dick Grayson moved out of Wayne Manor to begin college, writer Frank Robbins and artist Irv Novick orchestrated a chain reaction of events that forever altered Batman's personality."
Robbins, Frank (w), Novick, Irv (p), Giordano, Dick (i). "One Bullet Too Many!" Batman 217 (December 1969)
Robbins, Frank (w), Brown, Bob (p), Giella, Joe (i). "Batman's Evil Eye" Detective Comics 389 (July 1969) MARK VENTURE ( talk) 17:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't Batman's master level of intimidation be mentioned in his abilities? It may not be a conventional form of combat, but it still is important for such a shadowy hero like Batman. EmmanuelSandersIsNotDead ( talk) 01:49, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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The newest story arc is " Batman: Endgame", which redefines Batman's origin in The New 52.
Batman titles however often ignored that a distinction had been made between the pre-revamp and post-revamp Batmen (since unlike The Flash or Green Lantern, Batman comics had been published without interruption through the 1950s) and would occasionally make reference to stories from the Golden Age. [1] Nevertheless, details of Batman's history were altered or expanded upon through the decades.
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Under New 52, the newest story arc is listed as "Batman: Zero Year," but it should be replaced with the newest arc "Batman: Endgame."
Under Silver Age, there is a minor mistake. "on occasionally" should be changed to "occasionally."
Morales.andres98 ( talk) 07:16, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
Greetings Batman fans, I didn't add this to the article myself because I can't gauge the relevant place to put it (if anywhere), but DC Comics are taking up a legal battle with a leading soccer club in Spain over the bat image. Is this, at this stage, too trivial for this article?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30143924
'''tAD''' ( talk) 18:22, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
This is a very old article—it was promoted to Featured Article status in 2004 when the process was very new and standards were still being developed. It was reviewed again in 2006, when standards were still very low. There have since been over 8000 edits made to the article ( here's the article on 10 June 2006)—18k more readable prose, ignoring all the prose that has been replaced, and much of the added material is still uncited. The article is unbalanced and unfocused, the quotes are too numerous and too long, and an article missing so many citations couldn't possibly pass muster as an FA today. I think it's time for a Featured Article Review—and, if nobody's dedicated enough to fix the article's considerable flaws (which will be, yes, a lot of work), I think it should be delisted. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:49, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
The "Gay Interpretations" should not be in the main Batman article. Other interpretations of Batman would also go here, and since the character is so scrutinized by cultural historians and other scholars, this particular interpretation does not warrant its own section. The idea of a superhero being gay has shock value to it, which is why it was put into the article in the first place. There is already a Wikipedia article on the subject, and a link to that section would do just fine. If we have a "Gay Interpretations" section, then other analogies would also go here, but that would certainly make the article too long and irrelevant. JosephSpiral ( talk) 04:29, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
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77.126.195.159 ( talk) 11:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
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95.186.174.166 ( talk) 14:29, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
"... Batman's costume was modified to incorporate a yellow ellipse behind the bat-insignia"
It was stated at the time that the ellipse was added behind the insignia to represent the Bat-Signal.
96.224.212.159 ( talk) 16:56, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
i its me the one above all the god of life — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.114.172.47 ( talk) 19:07, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
The "Modern Age" subsection is extremely lengthy and overly detailed. It is the longest subsection in the entire page. I implore someone to please take the time and edit it to make it concise. A thank you, from all of us, to whichever brave soul can do this task. JosephSpiral ( talk) 09:21, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
The phrase "Finger didn't receive the same recognition..." leaves the impression that he was entitled to it. And Jerry Robinson's comment comparing Kane and Finger to Siegel and Shuster isn't quite accurate: Siegel and Shuster were partners in all things, business and production but Kane and Finger were not. Since Mr.Robinson was once president of the National Cartoonists Society, he must have known that in an art or comic book studio, two people may work on a given project but the boss is still the boss and if he or she only wants her name on her comic strip, that's the be all and end all; as long as they have their assistants sign work-for-hire agreements, copyrights are also not an issue. As far as Batman is concerned, it was Kane who had the deal with DC and Finger was never Kane's business partner. That's American Business 101. This is also the case with Wonder Woman Co-Creators William Marston and H.G.Peter but let's just stick with The Batman.
I realize this is not a forum but I say this as a stopgap: whether or not we "believe" Kane "should have" given Finger "credit" for his contributions, or he was "wise" not to, based on Finger's track record for how he managed his own career after he left Kane, it's irrelevant to the subject of the article: The Batman as a character, and the who, what, when and why of his creation; a statement like "Finger wasn't given the same recognition..." is too close to bias. It should either be removed or qualified by mentioning that Kane never made Finger a full partner nor was he given a share in the "business" of Batman. On a side note, Bill Finger is acknowledged whenever his stories are reprinted or the origins of Batman's creation are discussed in DC Comics literature. What he doesn't receive is part of the "Batman Created By..." notation for the above-mentioned reasons; not merely because of the size of anyone's ego, real or perceived.
Also, as it does now, the article shouldn't confuse inner studio "credit" with whatever policies DC or All American may have had as they are separate matters. At the time of Batman's creation, DC didn't have a "bullpen" of work for hire freelancers; they had agreements or "accounts" with independent cartoonists who submitted their work to National (DC Comics) to be published. According to Jerry Robinson in his 2003 (?)Comics Journal interview, there wasn't a fully formed Bullpen of freelancers until about late 41 or in 1942. And after the merger with All American in the mid to late 40s, DC was no longer willing to accept product from outside sources. (As related in Mark Evanier's Kirby: The King OF Comics vol. one.)
Finally, I repeat my suggestion that the Kane and Finger articles be locked, in addition to the Batman article. There's just too much misinformation out there, especially on some of these Bat-Fan blogs. MARK VENTURE ( talk) 06:32, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
The word "playboy" in the second paragraph describing Bruce Wayne links to the Wikipedia entry for Playboy magazine. This not a correct use of the term in this context and can potentially lead minors to objectionable material. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.56.9.70 ( talk) 05:35, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
There's a discussion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Captain Disdain/drafty bit regarding an 2005-2008 old draft at User:Captain Disdain/drafty bit which looks like it could be a potential for spin-off from Batman#Cultural_impact but if anyone here has an opinion on whether there's anything that's not already here, please comment at the MFD if you could. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 22:17, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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I'm requesting for someone to make an edit to Batman's abilities. This is my favorite character, and I'd hate to see that the majority of his abilities are missing. He is very, very skilled in what he does and it needs to be updated. I will list his abilities here:
Genius Level Intellect, Peak Physical and Mental Conditioning, Master of 127 Martial Arts, Master in Interrogation, Master Acrobat, Master Escapologist, Master Strategist, Master Swordsman, Master Tactician, Master Marksman, Master of Archery, Use of High-Tech Equipment, Weapons, Armor, & Gadgets, Master of Stealth & Disguise, Advance Scientific and Technological Proficiency, Master Observation Skills, Access to Vast Wealth and Criminal Records, Trained Computer Hacker, and Photographic Memory
If this could get corrected I'd greatly appreciate it, thank you.
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Matches Malone redirects here. In the comics, Malone was a small time criminal who was killed early in Batman's career. Batman adopted Malone's identity as a disguise, and still uses the identity when undercover in comic books to this day. Considering that Malone is a redirect to this article, shouldn't we create a small section explaining who Malone was and why Batman uses that alias? Dark Knight 2149 05:59, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
David Mazouz was listed as playing "Batman" in the last sentence of the last lead paragraph, because he plays a young Bruce Wayne on the TV show Gotham. As I see it, this actor is not playing the costumed-persona that is Batman. Rather, he is playing a young Bruce Wayne, and we have never seen him in the Batman costume. Therefore, we should list him as someone who has played Batman onscreen. If we're to list child actors playing Bruce, then we should list all the child actors who played him in all the Joe Chill murder scene adaptations on film. I don't think we should be listing any of these child actors who have only played a young Bruce Wayne and never the costumed superhero that is Batman. Furthermore, until the actor actually appears in costume, which he may or may not, it is inappropriate to list him as playing Batman. What are editors thoughts on this? DrRNC ( talk) 05:21, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
It says in the introduction that "Batman's secret identity is Bruce Wayne", but surely it should be "Batman is the secret identity of Bruce Wayne", shouldn't it? 86.152.162.152 ( talk) 01:29, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
DC lists Batman's "powers" as "exceptional martial artist, combat strategy, inexhaustible wealth, brilliant deductive skill, advanced technology" http://www.dccomics.com/characters/batman 71.233.28.85 ( talk) 00:25, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that Superman has had his infobox image changed to one of Alex Ross' pieces of work, now the previous was done by Jim Lee and of course that images serves as a companion piece to the current image used on Batman's page, and the new Superman image also has it's own Batman counterpart [1], so may I suggest that the Ross image become Batman's next infobox picture. If it helps any, the same has also been done to Wonder Woman's page as well. Teridax122 ( talk) 07:01, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
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Category:Corporate mascots 76.88.107.122 ( talk) 15:40, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
OK, this is a minor issue, but...
"Genius" is a noun, not an adjective, and by definition means intellect. So writing "genius intellect" is like writing "car vehicle" or "banana fruit". We could write "genius", or "intellect", but having both is a tautology. Popcornduff ( talk) 10:59, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
DC Comics themselves list his powers as "exceptional martial artist, combat strategy, inexhaustible wealth, brilliant deductive skill, advanced technology". How about we just stick to that?-- Atlan ( talk) 13:44, 29 March 2016 (UTC)
This article states that batman debuted in 1939 when he debuted in 1937.
Splooshamus ( talk) 17:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
I, for one, feel the allegation that Batman is plagiarized from The Shadow, recently strengthened by the discovery of Bob Kane's art swipes from Dick Tracy, Tarzan, and The Shadow pulps, is noteworthy and should be included in this article. Notably, Batman's entire first appearance is plagiarized from The Shadow pulp entitled "Partners of Peril", and many of the accompanying illustrations are similarly copied therein. His dual identity of Bruce Wayne / Batman has always been eerily familiar to wealthy industrialist Lamont Cranston, and his 'Knight of Darkness' vigilante alter-ego, The Shadow, to say nothing of their obvious cosmetic similarities. None of this is mentioned, let alone highlighted, in this article at all. Outside of an offhanded mention that Bill Finger was inspired by pulp heroes, it is never mentioned at all. DC have been vigilant in suppressing any discussion of this topic over the years, and Wikipedia, by failing to acknowledge or include it, make themselves complicit.
Someone took pains to mention comic artist Greg Land's art-swiping and alleged tracing in his article... yet Wikipedia willfully ignores that Bob Kane and Bill Finger did the exact same thing, while stealing the story to go along with it, no less? These allegations absolutely merit a mention in this article. Indeed, any article on the history of Batman would be incomplete without it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptnSpandex ( talk • contribs) 09:09, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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1. Leonard B. Robinson's name has been spelled incorrectly under the Batman Impersonators section. Please change Lenord to Leonard.
2. Also, Leonard now has his own wiki page. Once the edit above is done, link 'Leonard B. Robinson' to the link ' /info/en/?search=Lenny_B._Robinson'.
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I have become very concerned, given that this is a featured article and, for the past several months, it has been heavily edited. Aside from adding new information, I really don't think this should be necessary given that it's, again, a featured article. Perhaps I'm missing something, but should it's status be reassessed? All of these edits and relatively massive changes seem a bit odd for an article of featured status. Dark Knight 2149 21:56, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
And on that note, I will be requesting a Featured Article review. Thank you all for your insightful responses. Dark Knight 2149 01:30, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
There was a previous discussion a few months ago regarding the infobox picture. A potential candidate was an Alex Ross image but not deemed optimal. The current Jim Lee image was believed to be better, although not ideal since it does not show the full costume. As part of a recent campaign, DC Comics has released some promotional art of its characters with their costumes in full frontal view. This image (Image #1) of Batman was released in June 2016. It's also drawn by Jim Lee with inks by Scott Williams and Lex Sinclair. What are editors' thoughts of this image for the infobox? DrRC ( talk) 17:21, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
Here are some others. The artwork in Image #2 by Tony Daniel is of considerably higher quality, and I think it's the best candidate for the infobox. Also, it shows Batman in action doing what he does in the comics. Here are two Jim Lee images: Image #3 and Image #4. The latter, however, obscures the bat symbol in shadows. DrRC ( talk) 22:49, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
I changed the infobox image using #2 per our discussion. DrRC ( talk) 03:52, 21 August 2016 (UTC)
I've noticed that, for months now, users have been trying to jump the gun on the Batman reboot and it's rumoured title "The Batman". So naturally, as soon as Affleck acknowledged the title, it made its way onto Wikipedia. Well, Affleck just clarified his statements. It turns out, not only is "The Batman" still not the official title, but the film is still in early development. I should probably remind everyone that we are not in a hurry. It's not official until it's official. I admit that, after Affleck made the initial statement, it looked like a confirmation. However, people have been trying to add this long before even that. Wikipedia will still be here when an actual announcement arises. Don't worry. Dark Knight 2149 13:50, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
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The last part under Robin is outdated as Damian was resurrected by Batman, and is the current Robin starring in both Teen Titans and Supersons. Harper Row never partnered with Batman, and is quickly fading to obscurity. Duke should be mentioned, even if he is not Robin and apparently going to function independently from Batman (?).
What about something like this (below) after the phrase 'After Stephanie Brown's apparent death, Drake resumed the role of Robin for a time.'
"When Dick Grayson temporarily became Batman in the late 2000s, he chose Damian Wayne, the ten-year-old son of Bruce Wayne and Talia al Ghul as his Robin in order to save the boy from himself [Batman and Robin (2009) #1, Secret Origins (2014) #4]. Damian eventually became his father's current Robin, and despite their similarities and Damian's violent upbringing, father and son were able to build a relationship [Batman and Robin (2011)]. Batman's newest partner is Duke Thomas, who previously fought crime in a group of teenagers who took on the identity of Robin [Batman Rebirth #1, We are Robin (2015)]."
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