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@ Jlevi: Please explain this revert of yours. FIRE and NYCLU are both advocacy organizations (defending exactly the same kind of thing, civil rights) so why would you remove one but keep the other? It doesn't make any sense. I will wait for your response but in the interest of fairness I have in the meantime also removed the NYCLU ref until we can sort this issue out. Flaughtin ( talk) 23:53, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Flaughtin:, I entirely agree with your removal of the NYCLU. They are both advocacy organizations, and both articles are from the organizations' own pages. If an outside RS mentions either source in relation to this event, it might in that case be worth including in the article. Without that context, it is probably not. Jlevi ( talk) 00:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Previously reverted vandalism causing Bing to say subject is a "scumbag" is discussed here: Wikipedia:Teahouse#Question_2 ( permalink) -- David Tornheim ( talk) 10:08, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Archived version: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1064#Question -- David Tornheim ( talk) 16:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Any particular reasons why her designation as an "ardent zionist" (sourced to the Vanity Fair article about her) and the footnote to The Intercept piece of March 8, 2018 have been removed? Seems like certain demonstrations of her actions against those critical of Israel are being removed. -- Reenthelawman ( talk) 20:13, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I appreciate the reply. And why remove The Intercept article?-- Reenthelawman ( talk) 20:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Zekelayla: I see that you removed the reference to Greenwald's article for being too vague. Could you please explain? Seems quite relevant in the context where Weiss is claiming her differing viewpoint is being stiffled. -- Reenthelawman ( talk) 03:27, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted or presented instead in a different article. The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.Let's see whether consensus supports citing smears by Glenn Greenwald, who has for years waged a vendetta against Bari Weiss. Naturally I shall abide by consensus. NedFausa ( talk) 20:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps Yang was a dark horse candidate. But if the source doesn't say that, is it not improper for us to throw that in, with the source as the reference for it? Same with Marianne. Perhaps we should delete "dark horse." -- 2604:2000:E010:1100:C8B7:23F5:8F53:5C1F ( talk) 05:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Why are we covering the opinion of a non-notable person? Susan Celia Swan doesn't have a wp page. I would suggest we delete it .. unless we are going to include other opinions of other non-notable people.
The same goes for quoted Taylor Lorenz
And Jamal Jordan.
-- 2604:2000:E010:1100:C8B7:23F5:8F53:5C1F ( talk) 06:37, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
We're currently citing a ton of her opinion columns to summarize her views. While we can summarize her primary statements, it's obviously difficult and tricky to identify which are WP:DUE, and it makes it hard to provide any sort of context or meaning. Ideally we should be looking for secondary coverage of her columns and relying on those. -- Aquillion ( talk) 21:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
The article states that Bari Weiss was in a relationship with Nellie Bowles during 2018–2019, implying that the relationship ended. However, this article indicates that she is still in a relationship with her as of July 2020. Quote: "Bari herself has been with her girlfriend, the journalist Nellie Bowles, for nearly two years, and seems deeply in love." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aburstein ( talk • contribs) 21:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Hey NedFausa. In this diff an IP user added a C-Span link to Bari Weiss' appearances. In this diff you remove that EL with the edit summary "unexplained removal of content". Is it possible that you misread the IP addition as a removal? Jlevi ( talk) 15:02, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Ambiguous: is she one of four sisters, or (a bit less likely but still a legitimate interpretation) does she have four sisters? — Tamfang ( talk) 02:03, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
She doesn't like to label herself, yet Weiss is put in the "Bisexual women" and "Bisexual writers" categories at the bottom. Is that appropriate? Mcc1789 ( talk) 03:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
What a stupid and empty sentence. Here is the source [1], and it says the criticized "excesses of" the #MeToo movement. That is slightly better, but still not worth citing. People, please, never write "X criticized Y". That is bad style and says nothing. In most cases, that supposed criticism is just disagreement and should be called that. When it is not, you need to say which aspect exactly was criticized.
Maybe that source can used for something else, that is why I moved it here instead of deleting it. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 08:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
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The "Personal life" section says, "As of 2021, the two [Weiss and Nellie Bowles] are engaged", but the "spouses" section of the infobox states, "Nellie Bowles (m. 2021)". Which one is correct? JezGrove ( talk) 20:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Has this book been published? I found early mentions of deals with publishers Holt and Crown, but no later mentions (other than on Goodreads) of its actually having been published. – Kekki1978 ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 14:57, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
The following are some recent sources with significant coverage that may be worth incorporating and for evaluating appropriate weight to devote to various elements of Weiss' biography. --Animalparty! ( talk) 20:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
This secondary source would seem to have good background on the recent years of Bari Weiss' career, as she has left the New York Times and moved to editing and publishing via the Free Press. How Bari Weiss broke the media, New Statesman, 23 February 2023.
Unfortunately, it is behind a paywall, so not easily accessible. Anyone have Wikipedia-access and might be able to take a look? N2e ( talk) 13:03, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
On October 30, 2023, Weiss posted a thread on Twitter attacking The New York Times for platforming Palestinian voices critical of Israel. [1] Weiss specifically singled out Palestinian writer and activist, Refaat Alareer for a comment he made about debunked Israeli atrocity propaganda related to the 2023 Israel-Hamas war. [2] [3] In response to Weiss’ tweet, which went viral, Alareer warned, “If I get killed by Israeli bombs or my family is harmed, I blame Bari Weiss [...] Many maniacal Israeli soldiers already bombing Gaza take these lies and smears seriously and they act upon them”. [4] Alareer attached a screenshot of his inbox showing an influx of direct messages from users threatening his life. [5] On December 8 2023, Alareer and his entire family were killed by an Israeli airstrike. [6] Alareer’s death prompted widespread backlash on social media against Weiss with tens of thousands of users accusing her of putting a target on his back. “Bari Weiss” was Twitter’s top trending topic in the News section for the day. Weiss has not acknowledged Alareer’s death.
The above paragraph recently added and then removed from her bio. It is likely a notable incident, but it isn't yet covered in mainstream news, rather just on Twitter as it is a current event, so I suggest we keep it out of the main article until it has proper mainstream coverage and then we can rework it based on that coverage. -- Wardsback3321 ( talk) 16:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
https://thecurrent.pk/palestinian-poet-dr-refaat-alareer-killed-in-israeli-strike-in-gaza/
Why is this page locked to the point where I am unable to make edits? Some interesting edits were made to the page. Is this a Bari Weiss fan page or something? Myatrrcc ( talk) 23:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
https://thecurrent.pk/palestinian-poet-dr-refaat-alareer-killed-in-israeli-strike-in-gaza/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3cmxyfgWxA Myatrrcc ( talk) 02:27, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
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The word “described” ought to be something like “compared.”
Jkalm ( talk) 02:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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@ Jlevi: Please explain this revert of yours. FIRE and NYCLU are both advocacy organizations (defending exactly the same kind of thing, civil rights) so why would you remove one but keep the other? It doesn't make any sense. I will wait for your response but in the interest of fairness I have in the meantime also removed the NYCLU ref until we can sort this issue out. Flaughtin ( talk) 23:53, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Flaughtin:, I entirely agree with your removal of the NYCLU. They are both advocacy organizations, and both articles are from the organizations' own pages. If an outside RS mentions either source in relation to this event, it might in that case be worth including in the article. Without that context, it is probably not. Jlevi ( talk) 00:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Previously reverted vandalism causing Bing to say subject is a "scumbag" is discussed here: Wikipedia:Teahouse#Question_2 ( permalink) -- David Tornheim ( talk) 10:08, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Archived version: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1064#Question -- David Tornheim ( talk) 16:17, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Any particular reasons why her designation as an "ardent zionist" (sourced to the Vanity Fair article about her) and the footnote to The Intercept piece of March 8, 2018 have been removed? Seems like certain demonstrations of her actions against those critical of Israel are being removed. -- Reenthelawman ( talk) 20:13, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
I appreciate the reply. And why remove The Intercept article?-- Reenthelawman ( talk) 20:34, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Zekelayla: I see that you removed the reference to Greenwald's article for being too vague. Could you please explain? Seems quite relevant in the context where Weiss is claiming her differing viewpoint is being stiffled. -- Reenthelawman ( talk) 03:27, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Consensus may determine that certain information does not improve an article, and that it should be omitted or presented instead in a different article. The onus to achieve consensus for inclusion is on those seeking to include disputed content.Let's see whether consensus supports citing smears by Glenn Greenwald, who has for years waged a vendetta against Bari Weiss. Naturally I shall abide by consensus. NedFausa ( talk) 20:48, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps Yang was a dark horse candidate. But if the source doesn't say that, is it not improper for us to throw that in, with the source as the reference for it? Same with Marianne. Perhaps we should delete "dark horse." -- 2604:2000:E010:1100:C8B7:23F5:8F53:5C1F ( talk) 05:13, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
Why are we covering the opinion of a non-notable person? Susan Celia Swan doesn't have a wp page. I would suggest we delete it .. unless we are going to include other opinions of other non-notable people.
The same goes for quoted Taylor Lorenz
And Jamal Jordan.
-- 2604:2000:E010:1100:C8B7:23F5:8F53:5C1F ( talk) 06:37, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
We're currently citing a ton of her opinion columns to summarize her views. While we can summarize her primary statements, it's obviously difficult and tricky to identify which are WP:DUE, and it makes it hard to provide any sort of context or meaning. Ideally we should be looking for secondary coverage of her columns and relying on those. -- Aquillion ( talk) 21:19, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
The article states that Bari Weiss was in a relationship with Nellie Bowles during 2018–2019, implying that the relationship ended. However, this article indicates that she is still in a relationship with her as of July 2020. Quote: "Bari herself has been with her girlfriend, the journalist Nellie Bowles, for nearly two years, and seems deeply in love." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aburstein ( talk • contribs) 21:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Hey NedFausa. In this diff an IP user added a C-Span link to Bari Weiss' appearances. In this diff you remove that EL with the edit summary "unexplained removal of content". Is it possible that you misread the IP addition as a removal? Jlevi ( talk) 15:02, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Ambiguous: is she one of four sisters, or (a bit less likely but still a legitimate interpretation) does she have four sisters? — Tamfang ( talk) 02:03, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
She doesn't like to label herself, yet Weiss is put in the "Bisexual women" and "Bisexual writers" categories at the bottom. Is that appropriate? Mcc1789 ( talk) 03:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
What a stupid and empty sentence. Here is the source [1], and it says the criticized "excesses of" the #MeToo movement. That is slightly better, but still not worth citing. People, please, never write "X criticized Y". That is bad style and says nothing. In most cases, that supposed criticism is just disagreement and should be called that. When it is not, you need to say which aspect exactly was criticized.
Maybe that source can used for something else, that is why I moved it here instead of deleting it. -- Hob Gadling ( talk) 08:18, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
References
The "Personal life" section says, "As of 2021, the two [Weiss and Nellie Bowles] are engaged", but the "spouses" section of the infobox states, "Nellie Bowles (m. 2021)". Which one is correct? JezGrove ( talk) 20:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Has this book been published? I found early mentions of deals with publishers Holt and Crown, but no later mentions (other than on Goodreads) of its actually having been published. – Kekki1978 ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 14:57, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
The following are some recent sources with significant coverage that may be worth incorporating and for evaluating appropriate weight to devote to various elements of Weiss' biography. --Animalparty! ( talk) 20:58, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
This secondary source would seem to have good background on the recent years of Bari Weiss' career, as she has left the New York Times and moved to editing and publishing via the Free Press. How Bari Weiss broke the media, New Statesman, 23 February 2023.
Unfortunately, it is behind a paywall, so not easily accessible. Anyone have Wikipedia-access and might be able to take a look? N2e ( talk) 13:03, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
On October 30, 2023, Weiss posted a thread on Twitter attacking The New York Times for platforming Palestinian voices critical of Israel. [1] Weiss specifically singled out Palestinian writer and activist, Refaat Alareer for a comment he made about debunked Israeli atrocity propaganda related to the 2023 Israel-Hamas war. [2] [3] In response to Weiss’ tweet, which went viral, Alareer warned, “If I get killed by Israeli bombs or my family is harmed, I blame Bari Weiss [...] Many maniacal Israeli soldiers already bombing Gaza take these lies and smears seriously and they act upon them”. [4] Alareer attached a screenshot of his inbox showing an influx of direct messages from users threatening his life. [5] On December 8 2023, Alareer and his entire family were killed by an Israeli airstrike. [6] Alareer’s death prompted widespread backlash on social media against Weiss with tens of thousands of users accusing her of putting a target on his back. “Bari Weiss” was Twitter’s top trending topic in the News section for the day. Weiss has not acknowledged Alareer’s death.
The above paragraph recently added and then removed from her bio. It is likely a notable incident, but it isn't yet covered in mainstream news, rather just on Twitter as it is a current event, so I suggest we keep it out of the main article until it has proper mainstream coverage and then we can rework it based on that coverage. -- Wardsback3321 ( talk) 16:04, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
https://thecurrent.pk/palestinian-poet-dr-refaat-alareer-killed-in-israeli-strike-in-gaza/
Why is this page locked to the point where I am unable to make edits? Some interesting edits were made to the page. Is this a Bari Weiss fan page or something? Myatrrcc ( talk) 23:34, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
https://thecurrent.pk/palestinian-poet-dr-refaat-alareer-killed-in-israeli-strike-in-gaza/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3cmxyfgWxA Myatrrcc ( talk) 02:27, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
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The word “described” ought to be something like “compared.”
Jkalm ( talk) 02:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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