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On the Armenia Wikipedia page, at the bottom there is a section for the military.
I was thinking of replacing the pictures with one of these. We should vote and negotiate which to add. I'm from the US and I'm an American so I don't know much about the Armenian military or what the uniforms are. But based on the blue berets, flag patches, and shirts, I would think they are.
http://imgur.com/IRPwC Europe301 (talk) 21:06, 11 April 2011
I've noticed that one picture of the Republic Square Parade (located in the "military" section of the Armenia page) says that the APCs there are BTR-70s. The Armenian Army page shows the same photograph near the bottom, but says that the vehicles are BTR-70s. I've looked over the two vehicles and I think that they look too similar for me to judge which is which. Can someone fix this error? ( TheEvanCat ( talk) 12:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC))
This article is poorly written, poorly cited, and poorly organized. If one looks at the articles for many European countries ( Germany being an exemplary example) one could see just how beautifully structured they are. Armenia's page is riddled with excess photographs, entire sections lacking serious citation, and egregious use of lists, a problem which plagues the Wikipedia article for Yerevan as well. At the same time, some sections (History, Geography, Demographics) are scantily written. Montyofarabia ( talk) 01:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
I've also come to realize that the Armenia article completely lacks sections for Transportation and Science/Technology, and the culture section could be expanded considerably. The 'lists' are embarrassingly dull and aesthetically unappealing. Montyofarabia ( talk) 02:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Sthana in Sanskrit means place. While Usthan in Persian means province. Rigvedic Sanskrit and Avestan Persian are twin languages and the oldest Aryan languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.175 ( talk) 20:38, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I propose that we just leave out "Southwest Asia" or "Eurasia" and instead just say "is a landlocked mountainous country in the South Caucasus region." This was a solution used for Georgia, and is a good one in my view as it will prevent further complaints and warring. MosMusy ( talk) 23:02, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree that Armenia definitely should not be considered in Southwest Asia. Southwest? You will make the readers think Armenia is no where near the border of Asia/Europe. If Cyprus is completely in Asia, then why on the Cyprus page does it say that Cyprus is a Eurasian country? Can't the location be edited to say that Armenia is in Eurasia? You are basing the country just because of location. The country has nothing to do with Middle eastern culture, traditions, religions, or politics. I for one am tired of seeing debates about the location of Armenia. Why do the moderators try so hard to exclude Armenia from Europe. Just because it is out of the boundaries does not mean it isn't European. It is a member of the Council of Europe, and only European nations may join this organization. Just change the location to Eurasia, since geographically it's in Asia, but culturally,politically, and socially it is European...I live in the U.S. and in all my history school books, Armenia is listed in both Asia and Europe. Probably 60% of the Armenians I meet consider themselves European and those that consider themselves Middle eastern probably had family come from Lebanon,Syria,etc. Europe301 ( talk) 16:29, 10 April 2011
BTW, where can I find a listing of all the purposed maps for Armenia?-- Moosh88 ( talk) 01:31, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
That is why I thought saying just "South Caucasus" was a good fix. It's not controversial, it's accurate and indisputable, and it is also necessary because the Caucasus region as a whole is rather unique and is in many respects (geography, culture, history, etc.) its own entity separate from Anatolia, Middle East, etc. The mention of Armenia's current integration with Europe is clearly stated in the opening. MosMusy ( talk) 03:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
As I know the temple at Garni is Armenian. It can be considered Hellenistic(from architectural point of view), but not Roman in any case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigransh ( talk • contribs) 05:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Armenia has a national motto? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.232.72.49 ( talk) 13:07, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
The Russian census for 1897 is not for the Republic of Armenia, but Erivan governorate. The two areas are different (the governorate contained Nakhichevan and Igdir, the Republic contains Lori, Tavush and Syunik) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erivan_Governorate
Does this picture is Azeri propaganda? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.32.184.197 ( talk) 18:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
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This article does not make it clear if it is Europe or Asia. The same for the rest of the Caucus states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.2.61.172 ( talk) 02:44, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Please change the data for Armenia's HDI. It has grown to 0.716 since 2010
http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2011_EN_Complete.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by XdeX ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I don't seem to have permission to edit the article, but it says "In 1920, Turkish nationalist forces invaded the fledgling Armenian republic from the east and the Turkish-Armenian War began." It should of course say that the republic was invaded from the west. Wikiboer ( talk) 06:14, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
The introduction says that Armenia is an emerging democracy. Isn't this alittle inaccurate? Shouldn't the article mention that Armenia has an autocratic or semi-autocratic regime? After all, Freedom House calls the country "Not Free."
Also, shouldn't the article mention the genocide of Azerbaijanis by Armenia in 1988-1994? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.214.240.145 ( talk) 01:14, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
"The Government of Armenia holds European integration as a key priority in its foreign policy as it is considered a European country by the European Union." This raises some questions. Is Armenia considered a European country by the Soviet Union? Will the dropping of trade barriers with Europe create dumping of German kebabs on the Armenian market? How many times per week do Armenians eat kebab? Is Constantinople considered a European country by the European Union? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.125.86.17 ( talk) 02:21, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Old text: [...] becoming the first officially Christian state, ten years before the Roman Empire granted Christianity an official toleration under Galerius, and 36 years before Constantine the Great was baptized.
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Armenia was the first nation to adopt Christianity as a state religion, an event traditionally dated to AD 301.[95][96][97][98]
This is inaccurate. The first Christian state (officially) was Antiohia (en Antioch) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioch
Quote: Late Antiquity[edit]
ChristianityAntioch was a chief center of early Christianity. The city had a large population of Jewish origin in a quarter called the Kerateion, and so attracted the earliest missionaries.[6] Evangelized, among others, by Peter himself, according to the tradition upon which the Antiochene patriarchate still rests its claim for primacy,[7] and certainly later[8] by Barnabas and Paul during Paul's first missionary journey. Its converts were the first to be called Christians.[9] This is not to be confused with Antioch in Pisidia, to which the early missionaries later travelled.[10]
A bronze coin from Antioch depicting the emperor Julian. Note the pointed beard.The population was estimated by Chrysostom at about 100,000 people at the time of Theodosius I. Between 252 and 300, ten assemblies of the church were held at Antioch and it became the seat of one of the four original patriarchates, along with Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Rome (see Pentarchy). Today Antioch remains the seat of a patriarchate of the Oriental Orthodox churches. One of the canonical Eastern Orthodox churches is still called the Antiochian Orthodox Church, although it moved its headquarters from Antioch to Damascus, Syria, several centuries ago (see list of Patriarchs of Antioch), and its prime bishop retains the title "Patriarch of Antioch," somewhat analogous to the manner in which several Popes, heads of the Roman Catholic Church remained "Bishop of Rome" even while residing in Avignon, France in the 14th century. — Preceding
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I was doing some grammatical cleanup, but since I can't figure out what the following sentence is trying to say, it's hard to fix it. 'In the next centuries Armenia was on the orbit Persian Empire.' Can anyone with knowledge of the subject help fix this one? (it's in the "Antiquity" section) - Special-T ( talk) 00:25, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I've rephrased it. Adrian two ( talk) 18:51, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
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hi there i just found something dont worry i am armenian and my name is Sarkis Aramian. so when you scroll down to the armenian genocide section youll find in the end that you said:about estimated 600,000 Armenians died during the Armenian Genocide in 1915....... but its not 600,000 its 1.000.000 one million and a half.. thanks ..
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Please, someone update the population data for the country.
As of June 2012, Armenia has a population of 3,275,700
Reference link: http://www.armstat.am/en/?nid=126&id=11001
Daugvapils ( talk) 05:25, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
"According to the research conducted by Arnold J. Toynbee an estimated 600,000 Armenians died during the Armenian Genocide in 1915–16."
1.500.000 Armenians, officialy! Check it out! Thanks! Gar!k Avak!an
Could someone please change the time zone to read:
As per List of time zone abbreviations. And also link up the parts like other country pages (e.g. Uruguay)
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.133.253 ( talk) 22:16, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Fair notice. I plan to edit out in short order the two cites currently showing as numbers 18 and 19, put there in support of the statement that the European Union considers Armenia to be a part of Europe. Neither cite supports the statement. Armenia is included under the EU's European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) of 2004——but then so are Tunisia, Morocco, and Egypt, among others. There is no mention by the EU, nor on the EU's behalf, of Armenia (to say nothing of Egypt, Tunisia, etc.) being a European country... only a suggestion of it's being in some fashion in the EU's neighborhood. Bedkt chi ga vor Hyastanè Yevrobagan yergir èlla, garevor èllalu... See also http://ec.europa.eu/world/enp/policy_en.htm Xenophonix ( talk) 15:11, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
"...and Armenia's borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan remain closed." This is mentioned twice, and said to have severe detrimental impact [cite needed] on the Armenian economy, because the roadway and railway into Turkey and Azerbaijan are vastly superior [cite needed] to the ones into Iran and Georgia. I'm not disputing the fact that the borders are closed, but additional information is necessary -- at minimum, the phrase "as of 2013[cite needed]" seems to be required. Furthermore, it would be awesome if somebody with actual on-the-ground knowledge of the Armenian economy could provide some info on the following pertinent info: who is closing the borders, i.e. which govt(s)? How tight are the closures, i.e. is there a black market which traffics across them? Cf the USA-Mexico border, which is officially controlled-not-closed but in practice has plenty of black-market crossings for human-trafficking and narcotic- trafficking and so forth. Is there no smuggling in Armenia? Or just 'officially' no smuggling.... Is there a no-man's-land separating the countries, cf the border between north korea and south korea, as an example where smuggling is extremely unlikely to occur, over the land route anyways. What percent of imports and exports (in realdollar terms -- by industry if possible or by generic mfg/ag/svc sectors otherwise) traverse the Iran-Armenia border, and what percent traverse the Georgia-Armenia border? What about air freight, what is the overall percentage, and which international destinations dominate? I have other questions, but this should be enough to get some wikipedia editor possessing the relevant knowledge interested in filling in the gaps, and perhaps correcting the problems I'm pointing out. 69.46.48.134 ( talk) 02:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
The President of Armenia is NOT the head of government, he is the head of state. Armenia has a Prime Minister who is dependent upon the legislature, so the system is a parliamentary republic, not a presidential one. It would be good if someone could correct the misstatement in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.110.216.193 ( talk) 21:23, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
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Please remove the missing image YSU-BatimentCentral.jpg (The Yerevan State University) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonygerrard ( talk • contribs) 21 March 2013
Yes. -- SuperArmenian ( talk) 14:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hayk.png to be inserted
Chrisveniz with miley ( talk) 05:29, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
A request was made on the feedback page (in Armenian) for a more detailed map. My personal opinion is that the current maps are sufficient, but I am transferring the request here for the consideration of those who are more familiar with the subject. — WFC— FL wishlist 21:41, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
The Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is in reality part of Armenia. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
Indeed, Nagomo- Karabakh is de facto part of Armenia.
While internationally recognized as Azerbaijani territory, the enclave has declared itself an independent republic but is administered as a de facto part of Armenia.
Following the war, the territories that fell under Armenian control, in particular Mountainous Karabakh itself, were slowly integrated into Armenia. Officially, Karabakh and Armenia remain separate political entities, but for most practical matters the two entities are unified.
I suggest that we fix the map of Armenia by adding NKR in light green, similar to the map in Azerbaijan article (which is a GA) as seen on the left. And we can put a caption such as "Location of Armenia. Nagorno-Karabakh, de facto controlled by Armenia, shown in light green." -- Երևանցի talk 22:02, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
See WP:LEAD. "Apart from trivial basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." 4 paragraphs is the reccommended longest length. Dougweller ( talk) 06:11, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
This is not and has never been Armenia's official motto. -- Երևանցի talk 21:35, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
I've never seen an advertisement on Wikipedia before today, and it is on this page. It is in the middle which is fairly intrusive as well. It does not seem right to put them on a country's page either. dj_ansi ( talk) 08:50, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
User:AcidSnow keeps adding a questionable source to this article. Since when is Int'l Business Publications a reliable source for such information? I've added a peer-reviewed academic journal, dedicated to Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan, which states that more Armenians prefer their children learning English than Russian. How is their data not reliable?
The second issue is that even if Int'l Business Publications is reliable, the source says 94% not 84%. At least take a few second to read the sources you use. -- Երևանցի talk 22:51, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Under the subheading ‘Culture’, there are modern-day, young internationally-known Armenian musicians, artists, and movie directors which Wikepedia editors have failed to acknowledge so far. This is the portion of the article ‘Armenia’ that needs to be added to. I have decided to briefly explain the biography of well-known Armenian director, writer, and producer Atom Egoyan, as well as list some of the movies he has directed. Furthermore, under the subtitle ‘music’, I would include the singers Inga and Anush, Armen Gondrachyan (also known as Armenchik), and Canadian opera singer Isabel Bayrakdarian. I would provide their brief biographies with pictures, and links to their most famous songs.
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Wait... What ?! - "was surrounded by hostile countries that forcibly ended its independence in 1920" ??? Is that Correct ?!
Quote:
After the death of Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin took the reins of power and began an era of renewed fear and terror for Armenians. [1]
Actual quote from this page of the book:
Under Stalin the Communist Party of Armenia (CPA) used police terror to strengthen its political hold on the population and suppress all expressions of nationalism. At the height of the Great Terror orchestrated by Stalin in 1936—37, the ranks of CPA leaders and intellectuals were decimated by Lavrenti Beria, political commissar for the Transcaucasian republics.
Stalin's enforced social and economic engineering improved literacy and education and built communications and industrial infrastructures where virtually none had existed in tsarist times. As they emerged from the Stalin era in the 1950s, Armenians were more mobile, better educated, and ready to benefit from the less repressive policies of Stalin's successor, Nikita S. Khrushchev (in power 1953—64). The years of industrialization had promoted an upward social mobility through which peasants became workers; workers became foremen or managers; and managers became party and state officials [2].
I suggest removing or replacing by actual quote, except for second sentence, which itself needs sources.
MahSim ( talk) 08:12, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
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Citation is not provided since 2009, please remove: As with various other ethnic groups who lived in the Soviet Union during Stalin's Great Purge, tens of thousands of Armenians were either executed or deported. citation needed MahSim ( talk) 08:29, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I noticed the addition of this map not long ago:
I haven't seen it on another country's article and, especially with the OCHA logo and the "ARMENIA" heading, feels a bit odd and misplaced.
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Hi,
One of the administrators, Alessandro57, reverted my removal of the repetitive image from Armenia site. At his recommendation, I'm re-posting my reason here and provide additional details.
Note that I explained the reason in my original post on Armenia site as well. This image "File:İrəvan qalasının Çar Rusiyası trəfindən alınması.jpg." is the same as on Yerevan site (capital of Armenia) and on Erivan fortress site (the old Yerevan). Note that no other picture repetitively appears in all those sites. I think the administrators should watch for these instances and prevent such cases themselves.
This picture is not of such importance to be represented in all three sites, especially on the country (Armenia) site, unless there is some hidden reason for this. If the goal of the picture is to show old Yerevan fortress, then "File:Erivan1796.jpg" better reflects that reality depicting both the whole fortress, an Armenian church and a Persian mosque. If it is to show the battle between Russians and Persians for Yerevan, then it could stay only on Yerevan site, since there was no much Armenian involvement in this event. Yet, it is clear that it would have been better then to use some painting depicting a battle between Armenians and invaders of their homeland.
Most likely, the reason is for showing that Yerevan had mosques and nothing else, and, therefore, it was a predominantly Muslim city. It is not surprising that there were mosques in the city since the area of modern-day Armenia has been under Persian rule for several centuries. If this is the case, then the picture is misleading, as Muslims, in spite of their large proportion at some point in history, never dominated the city and the existence of numerous Armenian churches in the city in that period is also well-known.
Probably, the administrators should first of all note the origin of this picture file and users who prefer seeing the image in question on all sites related to Armenia.
Regards,
Cyber-Policeman ( talk) 21:26, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Whats the official population of Armenia? I keep hearing Armenians claiming its under 1.5 million and the government is lying, yet they provide no source. WTF is going on with the population, demographic trends, and emigration in Armenia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melting Pot of Friendship ( talk • contribs) 21:24, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
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Armenia has also been very successful in chess, winning the World Champion in 2011 and the World Chess Olympiad on three occasions. [3] 70.65.124.210 ( talk) 04:55, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
References
Typo needs to be corrected under CUISINE
Armenian cuisine is as ancient as the history of Armenia, a combination of different tastes and aromas. The food often has quite a distinct smell. Closely related to eastern and Mediterranean cuisine, various spices, vegetables, fish, and fruits combine to present unique dishes. The main characteristics of Armenian cuisine are a reliance on the quality of the ingredients rather than heavily spicing food, the use of herbs, the use of wheat in a variety of forms, of legumes, nuts, and fruit (as a main ingredient as well aa to sour food), and the stuffing of a wide variety of leaves.
Recommend change aa to as.
lol
Looks to me that the square of the location graphic is wrong. It's pointing to an area south of Armenia.
The Letter J ( talk) 17:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
“After the death of Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin took the reins of power and began an era of renewed fear and terror for Armenians.[57]
Armenia was not the scene of any battles in World War II. An estimated 500,000 Armenians (nearly a third of the population) served in the military during the war, and 175,000 died.[58]
Fears decreased when Stalin died in 1953 ...“
Such inappropriate subjective emotional statements may not be a part of encyclopedic article.
They FEARED. 'til 53, as Stalin dies, fears subsided.
Are you sure they feared? No explanation in the article, why Armenians should have feared Stalin.
Do english speakers take it just like that? All Armenians apparently just feared because they just feared. Well... From telling of old men and women from former Soviet Union actually none feared Stalin, just Nazi-Germany. And under rule of Stalin soviet people drove this horror off.
Just above “Armenians enjoyed a period of relative stability under Soviet rule. They received medicine, food, and other provisions from Moscow, ..“ apparently (well I doubt that all this was made in Moscow, it would be correct to say - they received it from Soviet Union)
So, why they have to fear Stalin?
Is it again a sample of manipulative implanting into ones subconsciousness of the aversion to Stalin, Soviet Union, communism and anticapitalism? I propose to revise this part of article and throw out all subjective implants.-- 84.57.89.92 ( talk) 14:22, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Armenia is listed as a country in Europe, but according to modern definition, Armenia is entirely within Asia. -- Vitzque ( talk) 17:30, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Your consensus is not correct as the South Caucasus is realistically in Eastern Europe according to many sources. Please do not provide false information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MELB1110 ( talk • contribs) 03:42, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
It Is not located just in Western Asia, this is not accurate and must be changed immediately, it is a breach of impartiality and there is only 2 references provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MELB1110 ( talk • contribs) 03:47, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Hey guys, Ok let me get this straight LouisAragon, it seems you have a thing of pushing us as Asian country. Most Armenians would consider themselves NOT Asian and NOT Middle-eastern, we historically originated in the Caucasus and thus the Caucasus is in Europe, if you would like to confirm that, read a few books on Armenians.
I am Armenian as background, so Iam sure most fellow users will understand.
1) To be a member of the COUNCIL OF EUROPE; A COUNTRY MUST BE LOCATED GEOGRAPHICALLY IN EUROPE, ARMENIA IS A MEMBER. 2) WORLDATLAS.COM IS A RELIABLE EDUCATIONAL SOURCE.
Also, Armenians don't look Asian at all and are unrelated to their neighbours what so ever, we are an individual ethnic group. closest related are the Georgians and in other ways Russians. So my source was accurate I don't know why you are degrading us by placing us purely in Asia,
I personally find it offensive. I am sure most people will agree with me.
I will soon change it back to the original format, I will place the same worldatlas.com source, located at the crossroads.
I am sure most users will agree that Armenia can be considered part of Europe via the Caucasus region. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MELB1110 ( talk • contribs) 07:38, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
I am going to have to include it until I find an extra source. In addition, it is a map based on geography, as the Worldatlas.com defines it. The Political and Economic trends are an inclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MELB1110 ( talk • contribs) 12:19, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Haha, Alessandro57 and LouisAragon, I have to admit, you can place Armenia where ever you want, we will always be part of Europe geographically and in our minds and hearts. Your lack of communication and understanding is disappointing. The lack of professionalism is very bad and upsetting. There is some something you two have against Armenia, by trying to push it into Asia.
Alessandro57 your from another place, why are you even deciding the geography of another country. LouisAragon, I am suspicious of your agenda.
I made myself clear that my background is Armenian, yet you still very rudely and badly keep on downplaying my source as political. Ok then, I will assume this is a motivated negative targeting of a country. Eastern partnership in the European Union is a good example of Armenia being EUROPEAN, GET THE POINT.
I explained my purpose of my source is geographical not just political. Yet you still brazenly and rudely change it back.
I will keep on working on this campaign, in order to bring fairness.
By the way, Armenia is more European than some other European countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MELB1110 ( talk • contribs) 15:15, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
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Armenia is not listed correctly by its regional location, it is in Transcaucasia- which should be described just the same way as Georgia and Azerbaijan <....of the situated at the crossroads of Eastern Europe and Western Asia, Transcaucasia> such as all the referenced materials do not match what you have listed as located in West Asia. 8.42.24.5 ( talk) 16:03, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
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It is time to stop. Please discuss what countries should be chosen to compare Armenia to with respect to its freedom rating. Any comparison made using a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE is pure WP:OR imo. So I would not make any comparison. But others may have different opinions. Dr. K. 05:01, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Please note that this is like the third time in a short period that you change and/or remove well-verifiable content without having done some actual research yourself, and as a result people have to correct and revert you. As its on a repetitive basis, this is clear disruptive editing. The Armenian Oblast was made in 1828 the same year Iran ceded Armenia (Erivan and Nakhchivan Khanates) per the Treaty of Turkmenchay. Therefore, I fail to see from where you got your statement " in the course of the 19th century" from, regarding Eastern Armenia. The soil of the modern-day country of Armenia, which almost entirely overlaps with Eastern Armenia, came in Russian hands by 1828, and theres unfortunately nothing ambiguous about that.
"In 1639, the Iranians and Ottomans ended their long period of hostility and partitioned Armenia. Two thirds of historic Armenia became known as western Armenia or Turkish Armenia, while the remaining one-third became eastern or Persian Armenia. The division lasted for over two centuries, until Russia conquered eastern Armenia and made it Russian Armenia."
"1828 -- Russian forces complete occupation of Persian khanate (principality) of Yerevan. Eastern Armenia brought under Russian control. Treaty of Turkmenchay signed between Russia and Iran formally ends second Russo-Persian War and establishes the Arax river as the boundary separating the two countries."
"Persian Armenia was the last territory to be conquered by the Russians during the Russo-Persian Wars of 1804-1813 and 1826-1828. Immediately following the Treaty of Torkmanchay (1828), the Russians began to set up their administrative apparatus in the region. Although the Persian government, in resposne to article III of that treaty, had submitted their tax records to the victors ... (...)"
"The shah sued for peace, and the treaty of Turkmenchay was signed in 1828, according to the terms of which the Khanates of Erivan and Nakhijevan were annexed to Russia. Thus Eastern Armenia became part of Russia. (...) The victories against Iran in 1813 and 1828 and the unification of eastern Armenia with Russia (...)""
"(...) and disputes over the frontier led to a second war from 1826 to 1828 when, by the Treaty of Turkmenchay, Russia gained the conveted Aras frontier and Iranian Armenia"
Parts of Western Armenia indeed came in Russian hands for some decades through wars with Turkey (amongst which the Kars Oblast), but thats rather irrelevant and undue to this specific article. Eastern Armenia which almost entirely congruates with what is modern-day Armenia didn't switch hands after 1828 until 1991.
If you have any source that proves that Eastern Armenia was still being questioned after 1828 (upon which you "based" your edit here), then feel free to show us. Bests - LouisAragon ( talk) 18:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
The problem here is due to the ambiguous and vague border between Western and Eastern Armenias. Kars can be considered part of both. Nowadays, Western Armenia usually refers to formerly Armenian-populated areas of modern Turkey, including Kars. Some might argue that the border lies within the Akhurian and Aras rivers, but Surmali (Igdir and Mt. Ararat, which lie south of Aras) was part of both the Erivan Khanate and Erivan Governorate. Here are several academic sources stating that Kars is considered part of Eastern Armenia:
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Armenia was founded in 331 BC Jivebop ( talk) 14:18, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
About the geographic location of Armenia (we are talking about physical geography), the issue has been discussed many times, and the last thread is at the top of this page: at that time, consensus was that the country lies geographically in Asia. A short summary: the overwhelming majority of the RS in physical geography put the border between Asia and Europe on the watershed of Caucasus (some of them also further north). In order to start a discussion, we need an alternative definition of the physical borders of Europe, and this definition should come from reliable geographical sources (the reliability of the cited web site worldatlas.com has been discussed above). I hope that the terms of the question are clear: we don't need to find sources which put Armenia "in Europe", but reliable sources which give us an alternative physical border of Europe which is scientifically plausible. Thanks, Alex2006 ( talk) 19:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
There are far too many pictures, and all are aligned down the right-hand side.
Pictures on topography and geography are split with pictures of genocide and the soviet army invading ...
Hardly ANY of them line up with the topics they are relevant to.
Maybe some should be removed, others put into drop-downs or at least in a horizontal strip in the section to which they ARE relevant?
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Should be removed that Armenia is in Western Asia. As an informative page, this is going to confuse readers, first off because it's not an Asian people, and second of all Western Asia unanimously in the Western World refers to the Middle East. Armenians don't consider themselves Asians. Eurasia, Caucasus, and crossbed between Europe and Asia is more appropriate. Please fix it if possible. Varj26 ( talk) 19:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
This CIA source states that Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Kazakhstan fall within both Europe and Asia based on the political map of CIA. Loooking at the CIA map of Europe, I don't see Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Kazakhstan. Based on this, I consider CIA an unreliable source.-- Cheetah (talk) 07:48, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Reading the cited source, I see "Armenia and Cyprus, which lie completely in Western Asia". I don't see how there is a contradiction within the CIA Factbook sources. Both the text and the map indicate it is not in Europe. Their website ( https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/am.html) notes that Armenia thinks of itself as being a part of Europe regardless of geographical location. What you've highlighted does not make the CIA Factbook an unreliable source. Rhialto ( talk) 14:36, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I granted a request for full protection to encourage discussion in the currently ongoing dispute. Please discuss. Samsara 11:13, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
The reason that what is valid for Armenia is not valid for Azerbaijan, is that while Armenia is located south of the watershed of Caucasus (this watershed being defined by the sources which have been removed yesterday from article as part of the boundary between Europe and Asia), some valleys of northern Azerbaijan lie north of the watershed, and this means that Azerbaijan is a transcontinental country. If you don't agree with the definition of Azerbaijan as transcontinental country you can open a thread on that article, but the fact that Armenia is geographically wholly part of western Asia is very well sourced (with or without CIA Factbook). Alex2006 ( talk) 17:19, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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There is debate whether Armenia is in Eastern Europe or Western Asia. One thing we can agree on is that it is not in the Middle East, so whoever is vandalizing, please stop. Nowhere on the Middle East Wiki does it show the Caucasus or list any Caucasian countries such as Armenia. Whoever is vandalizing please stop.
As a wiki to educate the public, it confuses readers to say it is in Western Asia. We should just specifically put that Armenia is located in the Caucasus between Europe and Asia. This is the most clear and precise statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varj26 ( talk • contribs) 03:47, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
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On the Armenia Wikipedia page, at the bottom there is a section for the military.
I was thinking of replacing the pictures with one of these. We should vote and negotiate which to add. I'm from the US and I'm an American so I don't know much about the Armenian military or what the uniforms are. But based on the blue berets, flag patches, and shirts, I would think they are.
http://imgur.com/IRPwC Europe301 (talk) 21:06, 11 April 2011
I've noticed that one picture of the Republic Square Parade (located in the "military" section of the Armenia page) says that the APCs there are BTR-70s. The Armenian Army page shows the same photograph near the bottom, but says that the vehicles are BTR-70s. I've looked over the two vehicles and I think that they look too similar for me to judge which is which. Can someone fix this error? ( TheEvanCat ( talk) 12:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC))
This article is poorly written, poorly cited, and poorly organized. If one looks at the articles for many European countries ( Germany being an exemplary example) one could see just how beautifully structured they are. Armenia's page is riddled with excess photographs, entire sections lacking serious citation, and egregious use of lists, a problem which plagues the Wikipedia article for Yerevan as well. At the same time, some sections (History, Geography, Demographics) are scantily written. Montyofarabia ( talk) 01:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
I've also come to realize that the Armenia article completely lacks sections for Transportation and Science/Technology, and the culture section could be expanded considerably. The 'lists' are embarrassingly dull and aesthetically unappealing. Montyofarabia ( talk) 02:27, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
Sthana in Sanskrit means place. While Usthan in Persian means province. Rigvedic Sanskrit and Avestan Persian are twin languages and the oldest Aryan languages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.88.88.175 ( talk) 20:38, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I propose that we just leave out "Southwest Asia" or "Eurasia" and instead just say "is a landlocked mountainous country in the South Caucasus region." This was a solution used for Georgia, and is a good one in my view as it will prevent further complaints and warring. MosMusy ( talk) 23:02, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree that Armenia definitely should not be considered in Southwest Asia. Southwest? You will make the readers think Armenia is no where near the border of Asia/Europe. If Cyprus is completely in Asia, then why on the Cyprus page does it say that Cyprus is a Eurasian country? Can't the location be edited to say that Armenia is in Eurasia? You are basing the country just because of location. The country has nothing to do with Middle eastern culture, traditions, religions, or politics. I for one am tired of seeing debates about the location of Armenia. Why do the moderators try so hard to exclude Armenia from Europe. Just because it is out of the boundaries does not mean it isn't European. It is a member of the Council of Europe, and only European nations may join this organization. Just change the location to Eurasia, since geographically it's in Asia, but culturally,politically, and socially it is European...I live in the U.S. and in all my history school books, Armenia is listed in both Asia and Europe. Probably 60% of the Armenians I meet consider themselves European and those that consider themselves Middle eastern probably had family come from Lebanon,Syria,etc. Europe301 ( talk) 16:29, 10 April 2011
BTW, where can I find a listing of all the purposed maps for Armenia?-- Moosh88 ( talk) 01:31, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
That is why I thought saying just "South Caucasus" was a good fix. It's not controversial, it's accurate and indisputable, and it is also necessary because the Caucasus region as a whole is rather unique and is in many respects (geography, culture, history, etc.) its own entity separate from Anatolia, Middle East, etc. The mention of Armenia's current integration with Europe is clearly stated in the opening. MosMusy ( talk) 03:12, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
As I know the temple at Garni is Armenian. It can be considered Hellenistic(from architectural point of view), but not Roman in any case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tigransh ( talk • contribs) 05:30, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
Armenia has a national motto? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.232.72.49 ( talk) 13:07, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
The Russian census for 1897 is not for the Republic of Armenia, but Erivan governorate. The two areas are different (the governorate contained Nakhichevan and Igdir, the Republic contains Lori, Tavush and Syunik) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erivan_Governorate
Does this picture is Azeri propaganda? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.32.184.197 ( talk) 18:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
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This article does not make it clear if it is Europe or Asia. The same for the rest of the Caucus states. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.2.61.172 ( talk) 02:44, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Please change the data for Armenia's HDI. It has grown to 0.716 since 2010
http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2011_EN_Complete.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by XdeX ( talk • contribs) 15:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
I don't seem to have permission to edit the article, but it says "In 1920, Turkish nationalist forces invaded the fledgling Armenian republic from the east and the Turkish-Armenian War began." It should of course say that the republic was invaded from the west. Wikiboer ( talk) 06:14, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
The introduction says that Armenia is an emerging democracy. Isn't this alittle inaccurate? Shouldn't the article mention that Armenia has an autocratic or semi-autocratic regime? After all, Freedom House calls the country "Not Free."
Also, shouldn't the article mention the genocide of Azerbaijanis by Armenia in 1988-1994? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.214.240.145 ( talk) 01:14, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
"The Government of Armenia holds European integration as a key priority in its foreign policy as it is considered a European country by the European Union." This raises some questions. Is Armenia considered a European country by the Soviet Union? Will the dropping of trade barriers with Europe create dumping of German kebabs on the Armenian market? How many times per week do Armenians eat kebab? Is Constantinople considered a European country by the European Union? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.125.86.17 ( talk) 02:21, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Old text: [...] becoming the first officially Christian state, ten years before the Roman Empire granted Christianity an official toleration under Galerius, and 36 years before Constantine the Great was baptized.
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Armenia was the first nation to adopt Christianity as a state religion, an event traditionally dated to AD 301.[95][96][97][98]
This is inaccurate. The first Christian state (officially) was Antiohia (en Antioch) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioch
Quote: Late Antiquity[edit]
ChristianityAntioch was a chief center of early Christianity. The city had a large population of Jewish origin in a quarter called the Kerateion, and so attracted the earliest missionaries.[6] Evangelized, among others, by Peter himself, according to the tradition upon which the Antiochene patriarchate still rests its claim for primacy,[7] and certainly later[8] by Barnabas and Paul during Paul's first missionary journey. Its converts were the first to be called Christians.[9] This is not to be confused with Antioch in Pisidia, to which the early missionaries later travelled.[10]
A bronze coin from Antioch depicting the emperor Julian. Note the pointed beard.The population was estimated by Chrysostom at about 100,000 people at the time of Theodosius I. Between 252 and 300, ten assemblies of the church were held at Antioch and it became the seat of one of the four original patriarchates, along with Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Rome (see Pentarchy). Today Antioch remains the seat of a patriarchate of the Oriental Orthodox churches. One of the canonical Eastern Orthodox churches is still called the Antiochian Orthodox Church, although it moved its headquarters from Antioch to Damascus, Syria, several centuries ago (see list of Patriarchs of Antioch), and its prime bishop retains the title "Patriarch of Antioch," somewhat analogous to the manner in which several Popes, heads of the Roman Catholic Church remained "Bishop of Rome" even while residing in Avignon, France in the 14th century. — Preceding
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I was doing some grammatical cleanup, but since I can't figure out what the following sentence is trying to say, it's hard to fix it. 'In the next centuries Armenia was on the orbit Persian Empire.' Can anyone with knowledge of the subject help fix this one? (it's in the "Antiquity" section) - Special-T ( talk) 00:25, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I've rephrased it. Adrian two ( talk) 18:51, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
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hi there i just found something dont worry i am armenian and my name is Sarkis Aramian. so when you scroll down to the armenian genocide section youll find in the end that you said:about estimated 600,000 Armenians died during the Armenian Genocide in 1915....... but its not 600,000 its 1.000.000 one million and a half.. thanks ..
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Please, someone update the population data for the country.
As of June 2012, Armenia has a population of 3,275,700
Reference link: http://www.armstat.am/en/?nid=126&id=11001
Daugvapils ( talk) 05:25, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
"According to the research conducted by Arnold J. Toynbee an estimated 600,000 Armenians died during the Armenian Genocide in 1915–16."
1.500.000 Armenians, officialy! Check it out! Thanks! Gar!k Avak!an
Could someone please change the time zone to read:
As per List of time zone abbreviations. And also link up the parts like other country pages (e.g. Uruguay)
Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.133.253 ( talk) 22:16, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
Fair notice. I plan to edit out in short order the two cites currently showing as numbers 18 and 19, put there in support of the statement that the European Union considers Armenia to be a part of Europe. Neither cite supports the statement. Armenia is included under the EU's European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP) of 2004——but then so are Tunisia, Morocco, and Egypt, among others. There is no mention by the EU, nor on the EU's behalf, of Armenia (to say nothing of Egypt, Tunisia, etc.) being a European country... only a suggestion of it's being in some fashion in the EU's neighborhood. Bedkt chi ga vor Hyastanè Yevrobagan yergir èlla, garevor èllalu... See also http://ec.europa.eu/world/enp/policy_en.htm Xenophonix ( talk) 15:11, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
"...and Armenia's borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan remain closed." This is mentioned twice, and said to have severe detrimental impact [cite needed] on the Armenian economy, because the roadway and railway into Turkey and Azerbaijan are vastly superior [cite needed] to the ones into Iran and Georgia. I'm not disputing the fact that the borders are closed, but additional information is necessary -- at minimum, the phrase "as of 2013[cite needed]" seems to be required. Furthermore, it would be awesome if somebody with actual on-the-ground knowledge of the Armenian economy could provide some info on the following pertinent info: who is closing the borders, i.e. which govt(s)? How tight are the closures, i.e. is there a black market which traffics across them? Cf the USA-Mexico border, which is officially controlled-not-closed but in practice has plenty of black-market crossings for human-trafficking and narcotic- trafficking and so forth. Is there no smuggling in Armenia? Or just 'officially' no smuggling.... Is there a no-man's-land separating the countries, cf the border between north korea and south korea, as an example where smuggling is extremely unlikely to occur, over the land route anyways. What percent of imports and exports (in realdollar terms -- by industry if possible or by generic mfg/ag/svc sectors otherwise) traverse the Iran-Armenia border, and what percent traverse the Georgia-Armenia border? What about air freight, what is the overall percentage, and which international destinations dominate? I have other questions, but this should be enough to get some wikipedia editor possessing the relevant knowledge interested in filling in the gaps, and perhaps correcting the problems I'm pointing out. 69.46.48.134 ( talk) 02:06, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
The President of Armenia is NOT the head of government, he is the head of state. Armenia has a Prime Minister who is dependent upon the legislature, so the system is a parliamentary republic, not a presidential one. It would be good if someone could correct the misstatement in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.110.216.193 ( talk) 21:23, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
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Please remove the missing image YSU-BatimentCentral.jpg (The Yerevan State University) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anthonygerrard ( talk • contribs) 21 March 2013
Yes. -- SuperArmenian ( talk) 14:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
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Chrisveniz with miley ( talk) 05:29, 17 August 2013 (UTC)
A request was made on the feedback page (in Armenian) for a more detailed map. My personal opinion is that the current maps are sufficient, but I am transferring the request here for the consideration of those who are more familiar with the subject. — WFC— FL wishlist 21:41, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
The Nagorno-Karabakh Republic is in reality part of Armenia. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]
Indeed, Nagomo- Karabakh is de facto part of Armenia.
While internationally recognized as Azerbaijani territory, the enclave has declared itself an independent republic but is administered as a de facto part of Armenia.
Following the war, the territories that fell under Armenian control, in particular Mountainous Karabakh itself, were slowly integrated into Armenia. Officially, Karabakh and Armenia remain separate political entities, but for most practical matters the two entities are unified.
I suggest that we fix the map of Armenia by adding NKR in light green, similar to the map in Azerbaijan article (which is a GA) as seen on the left. And we can put a caption such as "Location of Armenia. Nagorno-Karabakh, de facto controlled by Armenia, shown in light green." -- Երևանցի talk 22:02, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
See WP:LEAD. "Apart from trivial basic facts, significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." 4 paragraphs is the reccommended longest length. Dougweller ( talk) 06:11, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
This is not and has never been Armenia's official motto. -- Երևանցի talk 21:35, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
I've never seen an advertisement on Wikipedia before today, and it is on this page. It is in the middle which is fairly intrusive as well. It does not seem right to put them on a country's page either. dj_ansi ( talk) 08:50, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
User:AcidSnow keeps adding a questionable source to this article. Since when is Int'l Business Publications a reliable source for such information? I've added a peer-reviewed academic journal, dedicated to Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan, which states that more Armenians prefer their children learning English than Russian. How is their data not reliable?
The second issue is that even if Int'l Business Publications is reliable, the source says 94% not 84%. At least take a few second to read the sources you use. -- Երևանցի talk 22:51, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Under the subheading ‘Culture’, there are modern-day, young internationally-known Armenian musicians, artists, and movie directors which Wikepedia editors have failed to acknowledge so far. This is the portion of the article ‘Armenia’ that needs to be added to. I have decided to briefly explain the biography of well-known Armenian director, writer, and producer Atom Egoyan, as well as list some of the movies he has directed. Furthermore, under the subtitle ‘music’, I would include the singers Inga and Anush, Armen Gondrachyan (also known as Armenchik), and Canadian opera singer Isabel Bayrakdarian. I would provide their brief biographies with pictures, and links to their most famous songs.
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Wait... What ?! - "was surrounded by hostile countries that forcibly ended its independence in 1920" ??? Is that Correct ?!
Quote:
After the death of Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin took the reins of power and began an era of renewed fear and terror for Armenians. [1]
Actual quote from this page of the book:
Under Stalin the Communist Party of Armenia (CPA) used police terror to strengthen its political hold on the population and suppress all expressions of nationalism. At the height of the Great Terror orchestrated by Stalin in 1936—37, the ranks of CPA leaders and intellectuals were decimated by Lavrenti Beria, political commissar for the Transcaucasian republics.
Stalin's enforced social and economic engineering improved literacy and education and built communications and industrial infrastructures where virtually none had existed in tsarist times. As they emerged from the Stalin era in the 1950s, Armenians were more mobile, better educated, and ready to benefit from the less repressive policies of Stalin's successor, Nikita S. Khrushchev (in power 1953—64). The years of industrialization had promoted an upward social mobility through which peasants became workers; workers became foremen or managers; and managers became party and state officials [2].
I suggest removing or replacing by actual quote, except for second sentence, which itself needs sources.
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Citation is not provided since 2009, please remove: As with various other ethnic groups who lived in the Soviet Union during Stalin's Great Purge, tens of thousands of Armenians were either executed or deported. citation needed MahSim ( talk) 08:29, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
I noticed the addition of this map not long ago:
I haven't seen it on another country's article and, especially with the OCHA logo and the "ARMENIA" heading, feels a bit odd and misplaced.
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Hi,
One of the administrators, Alessandro57, reverted my removal of the repetitive image from Armenia site. At his recommendation, I'm re-posting my reason here and provide additional details.
Note that I explained the reason in my original post on Armenia site as well. This image "File:İrəvan qalasının Çar Rusiyası trəfindən alınması.jpg." is the same as on Yerevan site (capital of Armenia) and on Erivan fortress site (the old Yerevan). Note that no other picture repetitively appears in all those sites. I think the administrators should watch for these instances and prevent such cases themselves.
This picture is not of such importance to be represented in all three sites, especially on the country (Armenia) site, unless there is some hidden reason for this. If the goal of the picture is to show old Yerevan fortress, then "File:Erivan1796.jpg" better reflects that reality depicting both the whole fortress, an Armenian church and a Persian mosque. If it is to show the battle between Russians and Persians for Yerevan, then it could stay only on Yerevan site, since there was no much Armenian involvement in this event. Yet, it is clear that it would have been better then to use some painting depicting a battle between Armenians and invaders of their homeland.
Most likely, the reason is for showing that Yerevan had mosques and nothing else, and, therefore, it was a predominantly Muslim city. It is not surprising that there were mosques in the city since the area of modern-day Armenia has been under Persian rule for several centuries. If this is the case, then the picture is misleading, as Muslims, in spite of their large proportion at some point in history, never dominated the city and the existence of numerous Armenian churches in the city in that period is also well-known.
Probably, the administrators should first of all note the origin of this picture file and users who prefer seeing the image in question on all sites related to Armenia.
Regards,
Cyber-Policeman ( talk) 21:26, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
Whats the official population of Armenia? I keep hearing Armenians claiming its under 1.5 million and the government is lying, yet they provide no source. WTF is going on with the population, demographic trends, and emigration in Armenia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Melting Pot of Friendship ( talk • contribs) 21:24, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
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Armenia has also been very successful in chess, winning the World Champion in 2011 and the World Chess Olympiad on three occasions. [3] 70.65.124.210 ( talk) 04:55, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
References
Typo needs to be corrected under CUISINE
Armenian cuisine is as ancient as the history of Armenia, a combination of different tastes and aromas. The food often has quite a distinct smell. Closely related to eastern and Mediterranean cuisine, various spices, vegetables, fish, and fruits combine to present unique dishes. The main characteristics of Armenian cuisine are a reliance on the quality of the ingredients rather than heavily spicing food, the use of herbs, the use of wheat in a variety of forms, of legumes, nuts, and fruit (as a main ingredient as well aa to sour food), and the stuffing of a wide variety of leaves.
Recommend change aa to as.
lol
Looks to me that the square of the location graphic is wrong. It's pointing to an area south of Armenia.
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“After the death of Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin took the reins of power and began an era of renewed fear and terror for Armenians.[57]
Armenia was not the scene of any battles in World War II. An estimated 500,000 Armenians (nearly a third of the population) served in the military during the war, and 175,000 died.[58]
Fears decreased when Stalin died in 1953 ...“
Such inappropriate subjective emotional statements may not be a part of encyclopedic article.
They FEARED. 'til 53, as Stalin dies, fears subsided.
Are you sure they feared? No explanation in the article, why Armenians should have feared Stalin.
Do english speakers take it just like that? All Armenians apparently just feared because they just feared. Well... From telling of old men and women from former Soviet Union actually none feared Stalin, just Nazi-Germany. And under rule of Stalin soviet people drove this horror off.
Just above “Armenians enjoyed a period of relative stability under Soviet rule. They received medicine, food, and other provisions from Moscow, ..“ apparently (well I doubt that all this was made in Moscow, it would be correct to say - they received it from Soviet Union)
So, why they have to fear Stalin?
Is it again a sample of manipulative implanting into ones subconsciousness of the aversion to Stalin, Soviet Union, communism and anticapitalism? I propose to revise this part of article and throw out all subjective implants.-- 84.57.89.92 ( talk) 14:22, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Armenia is listed as a country in Europe, but according to modern definition, Armenia is entirely within Asia. -- Vitzque ( talk) 17:30, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Your consensus is not correct as the South Caucasus is realistically in Eastern Europe according to many sources. Please do not provide false information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MELB1110 ( talk • contribs) 03:42, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
It Is not located just in Western Asia, this is not accurate and must be changed immediately, it is a breach of impartiality and there is only 2 references provided. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MELB1110 ( talk • contribs) 03:47, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
Hey guys, Ok let me get this straight LouisAragon, it seems you have a thing of pushing us as Asian country. Most Armenians would consider themselves NOT Asian and NOT Middle-eastern, we historically originated in the Caucasus and thus the Caucasus is in Europe, if you would like to confirm that, read a few books on Armenians.
I am Armenian as background, so Iam sure most fellow users will understand.
1) To be a member of the COUNCIL OF EUROPE; A COUNTRY MUST BE LOCATED GEOGRAPHICALLY IN EUROPE, ARMENIA IS A MEMBER. 2) WORLDATLAS.COM IS A RELIABLE EDUCATIONAL SOURCE.
Also, Armenians don't look Asian at all and are unrelated to their neighbours what so ever, we are an individual ethnic group. closest related are the Georgians and in other ways Russians. So my source was accurate I don't know why you are degrading us by placing us purely in Asia,
I personally find it offensive. I am sure most people will agree with me.
I will soon change it back to the original format, I will place the same worldatlas.com source, located at the crossroads.
I am sure most users will agree that Armenia can be considered part of Europe via the Caucasus region. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MELB1110 ( talk • contribs) 07:38, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
I am going to have to include it until I find an extra source. In addition, it is a map based on geography, as the Worldatlas.com defines it. The Political and Economic trends are an inclusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MELB1110 ( talk • contribs) 12:19, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Haha, Alessandro57 and LouisAragon, I have to admit, you can place Armenia where ever you want, we will always be part of Europe geographically and in our minds and hearts. Your lack of communication and understanding is disappointing. The lack of professionalism is very bad and upsetting. There is some something you two have against Armenia, by trying to push it into Asia.
Alessandro57 your from another place, why are you even deciding the geography of another country. LouisAragon, I am suspicious of your agenda.
I made myself clear that my background is Armenian, yet you still very rudely and badly keep on downplaying my source as political. Ok then, I will assume this is a motivated negative targeting of a country. Eastern partnership in the European Union is a good example of Armenia being EUROPEAN, GET THE POINT.
I explained my purpose of my source is geographical not just political. Yet you still brazenly and rudely change it back.
I will keep on working on this campaign, in order to bring fairness.
By the way, Armenia is more European than some other European countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MELB1110 ( talk • contribs) 15:15, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
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Armenia is not listed correctly by its regional location, it is in Transcaucasia- which should be described just the same way as Georgia and Azerbaijan <....of the situated at the crossroads of Eastern Europe and Western Asia, Transcaucasia> such as all the referenced materials do not match what you have listed as located in West Asia. 8.42.24.5 ( talk) 16:03, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
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It is time to stop. Please discuss what countries should be chosen to compare Armenia to with respect to its freedom rating. Any comparison made using a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE is pure WP:OR imo. So I would not make any comparison. But others may have different opinions. Dr. K. 05:01, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Please note that this is like the third time in a short period that you change and/or remove well-verifiable content without having done some actual research yourself, and as a result people have to correct and revert you. As its on a repetitive basis, this is clear disruptive editing. The Armenian Oblast was made in 1828 the same year Iran ceded Armenia (Erivan and Nakhchivan Khanates) per the Treaty of Turkmenchay. Therefore, I fail to see from where you got your statement " in the course of the 19th century" from, regarding Eastern Armenia. The soil of the modern-day country of Armenia, which almost entirely overlaps with Eastern Armenia, came in Russian hands by 1828, and theres unfortunately nothing ambiguous about that.
"In 1639, the Iranians and Ottomans ended their long period of hostility and partitioned Armenia. Two thirds of historic Armenia became known as western Armenia or Turkish Armenia, while the remaining one-third became eastern or Persian Armenia. The division lasted for over two centuries, until Russia conquered eastern Armenia and made it Russian Armenia."
"1828 -- Russian forces complete occupation of Persian khanate (principality) of Yerevan. Eastern Armenia brought under Russian control. Treaty of Turkmenchay signed between Russia and Iran formally ends second Russo-Persian War and establishes the Arax river as the boundary separating the two countries."
"Persian Armenia was the last territory to be conquered by the Russians during the Russo-Persian Wars of 1804-1813 and 1826-1828. Immediately following the Treaty of Torkmanchay (1828), the Russians began to set up their administrative apparatus in the region. Although the Persian government, in resposne to article III of that treaty, had submitted their tax records to the victors ... (...)"
"The shah sued for peace, and the treaty of Turkmenchay was signed in 1828, according to the terms of which the Khanates of Erivan and Nakhijevan were annexed to Russia. Thus Eastern Armenia became part of Russia. (...) The victories against Iran in 1813 and 1828 and the unification of eastern Armenia with Russia (...)""
"(...) and disputes over the frontier led to a second war from 1826 to 1828 when, by the Treaty of Turkmenchay, Russia gained the conveted Aras frontier and Iranian Armenia"
Parts of Western Armenia indeed came in Russian hands for some decades through wars with Turkey (amongst which the Kars Oblast), but thats rather irrelevant and undue to this specific article. Eastern Armenia which almost entirely congruates with what is modern-day Armenia didn't switch hands after 1828 until 1991.
If you have any source that proves that Eastern Armenia was still being questioned after 1828 (upon which you "based" your edit here), then feel free to show us. Bests - LouisAragon ( talk) 18:45, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
The problem here is due to the ambiguous and vague border between Western and Eastern Armenias. Kars can be considered part of both. Nowadays, Western Armenia usually refers to formerly Armenian-populated areas of modern Turkey, including Kars. Some might argue that the border lies within the Akhurian and Aras rivers, but Surmali (Igdir and Mt. Ararat, which lie south of Aras) was part of both the Erivan Khanate and Erivan Governorate. Here are several academic sources stating that Kars is considered part of Eastern Armenia:
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Armenia was founded in 331 BC Jivebop ( talk) 14:18, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
About the geographic location of Armenia (we are talking about physical geography), the issue has been discussed many times, and the last thread is at the top of this page: at that time, consensus was that the country lies geographically in Asia. A short summary: the overwhelming majority of the RS in physical geography put the border between Asia and Europe on the watershed of Caucasus (some of them also further north). In order to start a discussion, we need an alternative definition of the physical borders of Europe, and this definition should come from reliable geographical sources (the reliability of the cited web site worldatlas.com has been discussed above). I hope that the terms of the question are clear: we don't need to find sources which put Armenia "in Europe", but reliable sources which give us an alternative physical border of Europe which is scientifically plausible. Thanks, Alex2006 ( talk) 19:13, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
There are far too many pictures, and all are aligned down the right-hand side.
Pictures on topography and geography are split with pictures of genocide and the soviet army invading ...
Hardly ANY of them line up with the topics they are relevant to.
Maybe some should be removed, others put into drop-downs or at least in a horizontal strip in the section to which they ARE relevant?
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Should be removed that Armenia is in Western Asia. As an informative page, this is going to confuse readers, first off because it's not an Asian people, and second of all Western Asia unanimously in the Western World refers to the Middle East. Armenians don't consider themselves Asians. Eurasia, Caucasus, and crossbed between Europe and Asia is more appropriate. Please fix it if possible. Varj26 ( talk) 19:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
This CIA source states that Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Kazakhstan fall within both Europe and Asia based on the political map of CIA. Loooking at the CIA map of Europe, I don't see Azerbaijan, Georgia, and Kazakhstan. Based on this, I consider CIA an unreliable source.-- Cheetah (talk) 07:48, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Reading the cited source, I see "Armenia and Cyprus, which lie completely in Western Asia". I don't see how there is a contradiction within the CIA Factbook sources. Both the text and the map indicate it is not in Europe. Their website ( https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/am.html) notes that Armenia thinks of itself as being a part of Europe regardless of geographical location. What you've highlighted does not make the CIA Factbook an unreliable source. Rhialto ( talk) 14:36, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I granted a request for full protection to encourage discussion in the currently ongoing dispute. Please discuss. Samsara 11:13, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
The reason that what is valid for Armenia is not valid for Azerbaijan, is that while Armenia is located south of the watershed of Caucasus (this watershed being defined by the sources which have been removed yesterday from article as part of the boundary between Europe and Asia), some valleys of northern Azerbaijan lie north of the watershed, and this means that Azerbaijan is a transcontinental country. If you don't agree with the definition of Azerbaijan as transcontinental country you can open a thread on that article, but the fact that Armenia is geographically wholly part of western Asia is very well sourced (with or without CIA Factbook). Alex2006 ( talk) 17:19, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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There is debate whether Armenia is in Eastern Europe or Western Asia. One thing we can agree on is that it is not in the Middle East, so whoever is vandalizing, please stop. Nowhere on the Middle East Wiki does it show the Caucasus or list any Caucasian countries such as Armenia. Whoever is vandalizing please stop.
As a wiki to educate the public, it confuses readers to say it is in Western Asia. We should just specifically put that Armenia is located in the Caucasus between Europe and Asia. This is the most clear and precise statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varj26 ( talk • contribs) 03:47, 28 January 2017 (UTC)