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In the section on ancient predecessors there is a request for a source on how those things affected the Christian Eschatology. One source is "The Apocalyptic Imagination; An Introduction to Jewish Apocalyptic Literature", by John J. Collins (2nd Edition, Eerdmans Publishing 1998). I still have difficulty adding references and citations to articles, so could someone please add this? Otherwise I might have to learn something... Setitup ( talk) 03:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
The French novel Ravage, by René Barjavel, could usefully feature in that article. Its theme of a new patriarcal society relates to the French occupation and reaction during the WW2 (the novel was written in 1942). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.115.66 ( talk) 04:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I find it odd that the BBC television show 'The Surviors' didn't get mentioned. It's a great fictional work...
28 Days Later isn't exactly about the end of the world since it's clear in the end that only the UK is affected. That can perhaps be stated in a note afterwards or something?
Also, I find it strange that the new version of Dawn of the Dead is under Pandemic while Romero's original and his other movies are under "The decline and fall of the human race". I see the zombie infection as a pandemic in all of those movies and not an effect of social events or something.
It seems to me that we sould probably divide these two topics, it would resolve questions of what is viable on the list. technically, apocalyptic fiction is any fiction wherein the world and/or civilization is close to destruction, post-apocalyptic concerns what happens thereafter. (even though, ironically, for it to be a true apocalypse, there would have to be no one left at all; therefore post-apocalyptic is really not even a valid genre) at least this is my impression. thoughts? Gizzakk 18:18, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone oppose moving this to Apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction (ie. remove the "science")? It's pretty clear that a large number of these articles are not science fiction, at least how it's described on Wikipedia -- for instance The Day After. Christopher Parham (talk) 09:34, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
"Due to the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in its modern past, Japanese popular culture is rife with apocalyptic themes. Much of Japan's manga and anime is loaded with apocalyptic imagery." Anybody cite source?
The anime Cowboy Bebop is about a team of bounty hunters in the future. In the year that the anime is set in, Mars and other planets have been colonized but Earth is desolate and most of it's residents have left it due to the Gate Accident many years earlier, causing a meteorite falls every two days, changing the landscape. Couldn't this therefore classify under post-apocalyptic? -- Isequals 01:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Post apocalypse (WW III) literature:
I'll try to think of some others; there are "scads" (many).
Also, if "After the fall of space-based civilization" is a category, the floodgates are wide-open. Just for a start, there's Against the Fall of Night and The City and the Stars (both by Arthur C. Clarke); The Mote in God's Eye (Niven & Pournelle); The Dragon Masters (Jack Vance) (and arguably his The Last Castle); and Chad Oliver's poignant Transfusion.
OTOH, maybe we should just pick a few representative samples for each category, rather than trying to make up an exhaustive list. -- ChrisWinter 21:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Movies: mad max, waterworld and will smiths newest one? games: post apocalyptic is maybe a even more popular theme here than in any other media, for example the Fallout series
This may just be me, but I do not see how halo is post-apocalyptic
I'd say TORG should go into the religious / supernatural category, as the High Lords use supernatural forces to invade Earth (their powers derive from the Darkness Devices, which were created by the Nameless One to fight creation and possibility). -- Nils Jeppe 14:54, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I think Stephen King's novel Cell should be in this list (the story focuses on a sort of virus transmitter by cell phone signals, and anyone who uses a cell phone becomes insane and cannibalistic (zombie-ish, though these people are still alive, as in the movie 28 Days Later)). I'm not sure what category to put this novel under. -- RazorICE 10:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
-G —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.231.135.156 ( talk) 05:43, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
This article as it is should be renamed "List of Apocalyptic and Post Apocalyptic Fiction", and leave room for an article actually describing the genre, its origins, etc.-- SidiLemine 13:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Could use votes to save this article, thanks MapleTree 22:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Just letting the editors of this article know that there is a discussion on Talk:Alternate future about the encyclopedicness of that article that I think editors of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction might be interested in participating in. — Lowellian ( reply) 21:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Post-apocalyptic fiction was a major genre back in the 1960s and '70s. I would rate this article as Mid importance. Avt tor 03:19, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Support, post-apocalyptic is more common terms and Holocaust has different connotations.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Support, it's the same topic under a different name. Noclevername 00:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Merged. Christopher Parham (talk) 02:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
"The first atomic weapon in fiction appeared in Robert Cromie's "The Crack of Doom", published in 1895" This line cannot be accurate...right? Mwv2 02:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Why isn't there a Category:Apocalyptic fiction? Almost every film, book and TV series about an alien invasion fits the category. Also, all these of the "eschatological fiction" genre.-- Nohansen 21:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
And where does the "Planet of the Apes" fit into post-apocalyptic fiction? I'm amazed this body of work has been overlooked —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.27.11.89 ( talk) 10:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
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that PA is inspited by biblical acounts in uncontroversial, and that the Bible contains descriptions of them
Our inclusion criterion is not controversiality, it is verifiability. If a section remains unsourced despite being flagged for sources, then there's nothing wrong with removing it. Either sources should be found soon or this paragraph removed again. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I started this to improve the history or; well, anyway, I have an idea on something I think should be added to 'Ancient Predecessors':
7h3 3L173 (
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05:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
While surfing the internet I stumbled across something all you will find very interesting. http://encyclopedia.vbxml.net/Apocalyptic_and_post-apocalyptic_fiction
if you clicked the link and looked at the page you will realize that either the author of this wiki page plagiarized this ENTIRE article or this web site plagiarized us. In either case, proper action must be taken. -- Kurtcool2 ( talk) 03:25, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is becoming a list again, as people wander in and tack their favorite example on the end. For instance, the mention of I Am Legend is clearly an afterthought by someone who just saw the movie: no citation, no mention of the novel, no mention of Omega Man. Obviously unresearched. dbw ( talk) 19:23, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
I removed this from the "nuclear apocalypse" section, where it does not belong. To be honest, though, I do not know where it does belong, as it does not seem post-apocalyptic to me.
Anyone have any ideas of what should be done with this? --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 15:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
The majority of readers and critics see the devastation in 'The Road' as the result of climate change, not nuclear war. Wether this is right or not, the disaster is never spacified as nuclear war so it shouldnt be listed as a post-nuclear novel. Pedantic i know, but still. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.2.46.174 ( talk) 16:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Everyone. I don't want to cause a fuss, but I am wondering how adding post peak oil could be considered pushing a point of view. There are many works that deal with what happens when oil runs out. The movie the Road Warrior movies were about that, so I think was the Kevin Costner Movie the Postman. The questionable quality of those, might be an issue but I would think that that scenario would qualify as a kind of post apocolyptic fiction. I frankly never even considered that there might be "official" sub genres in this area. Is there some Science Fiction governing bodie that decides these things? However even if there is, it seems to me that the purpose of the article is to help people see the different kinds of themes that authors pursue when speculating about the end of civilization as we know it. Not that I am a fan, but it would seem that books like the "Left Behind" series are part of this genre. I ask these things in all seriousness. I went to the talk page of Dream Guy and he has a kind of prickly message that had me think that I might have been mistaken for someone elese. Elmmapleoakpine ( talk) 23:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
"The Matrix" is listed under "Failure of Modern Technology", but shouldn't it be in a category like "Uprising of Modern Technology" or "Robot Apocalypse"? (Along with a movie like "Terminator"). Also, shouldn't there be a "Zombie Apocalypse" section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.195.141.148 ( talk) 22:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
This article seemed to me to be a better destination for searches regarding doomsday films. That other article lacks cites and seems to be a general list, the films mentioned within would all seem to logically fall under the umbrella of this article. Any thoughts? Alastairward ( talk) 21:21, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
After the link to "Survivalism" in the See Also section, many of the other elements would be appropriately listed in the main text, or removed entirely.
The Fallout Game series could instead be a link to the section "2.5 Games" in the "List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction" page.
Tank Girl, Mad Max, Fist of the North Star and MD Geist are all pop culture examples of post-apocalyptic fiction and have appropriate sections already in the main body. Though I admit MD Geist's synopsis has me confused as to what is actually going on (as it doesn't read like the actual genre).
Reading the synopsis of Robotech: Invasion shows that the material isn't about an apocalypse/Armageddon/post-apocalypse as it is about an Alien Invasion. As Alien Invasion science-fiction isn't entirely covered in this article it should probably be removed. Since War of the Worlds is included, I could see how someone would add Robotech: Invasion, but the Alien Invasion subgenre being so developed, there is probably more of a case to remove both references instead.
99.65.197.20 ( talk) 07:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)Nathan
In this article it says: "Andre Norton wrote one of the definitive, post apocalyptic novels, Star Man's Son (AKA, Daybreak 2250), published in 1952, where a young man, Fors, begins an Arthurian quest for lost knowledge, through a radiation ravaged landscape, with the aid of a telepathic, mutant cat. He encounters mutated creatures, "the beast things," which are possibly a degenerated form of humans."
Who decided this is one of the definitive post-apocalyptic novels? If it's such an important book why is it not in print with the dozens of other novels written by Andre Norton? A new copy of this book cannot be found anywhere I've searched. Does anyone know of the actual importance/relevance of "Star Man's Son, 2250 A.D" as it seems it is most commonly called? 67.169.57.180 ( talk) 10:44, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
"Original research," I'm sure, but I always took the beast things to be mutant rats. 24.61.4.237 ( talk) 02:20, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Two fine examples of this sub-genre in literature are Memoirs of a Survivor by Doris Lessing and Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler. Of course, I know most Wiki users don't read books as main references are films and videogames. Anyway, it makes sense the mention to Jack London's "The scarlet plague" as his story anticipated all the typical stuff of the sub-genre. Indeed, the article is becoming a low-quality list. 153.109.42.97 ( talk) 21:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand completely the prefixation in english, if there are rational rules (I'm spanish native and I know very well its rules; only a few of english), but why do you write post-apocalyptic and not postapocalyptic, which is, at my point of view, the correct form. I will thank a reply. Greetings, An unknown user. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.38.24.132 ( talk) 14:13, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
It seems to be a
dialect and style manual thing, according to the
hyphen article. Generally hyphen is preferred in British English and omitted in American English; but there are some specific rules defining cases where hyphenation is mandatory - see
Hyphen#Prefixes_and_suffixes.
Arloz (
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16:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to increase the list the causes of a post-apocalyptic event at the beginning of this article. I believe this is necessary due to the wide array of scenarios that have evolved in modern fiction. I've tried recently but my edits were removed on the basis that they need to be discussed first. Thus, I welcome any comments or concerns for this proposal.( Hyperionsteel ( talk) 20:17, 14 February 2011 (UTC))
The Death of Grass (1956) could be listed as a early epidemic environnemental disaster. Lacrymocéphale 22:04, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Should video games be here under fiction, or in a separate article? — JerryFriedman (Talk) 20:45, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Looking through the list, I began to think that including dystopias as a sub-genre should be considered. I haven't researched the idea, but I noticed Anthem (a dystopia) made the Post-apocalyptic list. I would add Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four and also Brave New World. Small group but very indicative of a sub-genre of Post-apocalyptic fiction that I re-read. There are probably many others. Comments? Jacqke ( talk) 00:09, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
The novel The Postman written in 1985 by David Brin should be added into the post 1900 war section. Set in a post limited-nuclear war America, it fits perfectly under that heading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.94.214 ( talk) 18:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Raising this for the third time: the article is an example farm. This exact same issue was previously raised in 2006 and 2009, and apparently nothing was done either time. Either delete the bulk of the "examples", or split them off into a list article. The article as it stands says very little about the subject, and is just a fancruft dump. 12.233.146.130 ( talk) 02:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
To better avoid the issue of this just being a list of different works w/ post apocalyptic and apocalyptic fic, order by type of media instead of by date? Or at least, break up the dates into smaller sections besides pre/post 1900.
There's a lot of potential for a good discussion, but there really needs to be a section on themes, the history of the subsubgenre, and then maybe major NOTABLE works, everything else can always be listed on another page or made as a category.
Tons of research/writing exists on this topic, the effort just needs to be expended to get it on here.MSK 04:52, 15 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meagansk ( talk • contribs)
Some 'surreal' examples of Post-Apocalyptic fiction
This is just personal interpretation, but I thought I'd throw it out there. It always struck me that the following films and short story used themes or aesthetics of post-apocalypse, while not generally being about them (pardon me if they are already in the article and I missed them):
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream (Harlan Ellison)
Eraserhead (David Lynch)
Tetsuo the Iron Man (Shinya Tsukamoto)
Begotten (E. Elias Mehrige) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.199.220 ( talk) 23:13, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
This is just personal interpretation, but I thought I'd throw it out there. It always struck me that the following films and stories used themes or aesthetics of post-apocalypse, while not generally being about them (pardon me if they are already in the article and I missed them):
The Atrocity Exhibition (J.G. Ballard)
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream (Harlan Ellison)
Eraserhead (David Lynch)
Tetsuo the Iron Man (Shinya Tsukamoto)
Begotten (E. Elias Mehrige) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.199.220 ( talk) 23:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I would doubt that The War of the Worlds has become famous "due to the famous radio adaptation of the novel by Orson Welles on his show, The Mercury Theatre on the Air". It was famous amongst those who could read long before American radio listeners heard the dramatization. 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 07:28, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
I believe the theme is based on catastrophe, but is it necessarily always sci-fi? because the science in sci-fi is not the same as our science so if there's a post apocalyptic fiction movie or book but not showing any sign of differing science, is it really sci-fi? Normally it is, but I'm just bringing up the unique cases-- Taeyebaar ( talk) 22:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
I agree-- Taeyebaar ( talk) 03:45, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
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In the section on ancient predecessors there is a request for a source on how those things affected the Christian Eschatology. One source is "The Apocalyptic Imagination; An Introduction to Jewish Apocalyptic Literature", by John J. Collins (2nd Edition, Eerdmans Publishing 1998). I still have difficulty adding references and citations to articles, so could someone please add this? Otherwise I might have to learn something... Setitup ( talk) 03:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
The French novel Ravage, by René Barjavel, could usefully feature in that article. Its theme of a new patriarcal society relates to the French occupation and reaction during the WW2 (the novel was written in 1942). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.204.115.66 ( talk) 04:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
I find it odd that the BBC television show 'The Surviors' didn't get mentioned. It's a great fictional work...
28 Days Later isn't exactly about the end of the world since it's clear in the end that only the UK is affected. That can perhaps be stated in a note afterwards or something?
Also, I find it strange that the new version of Dawn of the Dead is under Pandemic while Romero's original and his other movies are under "The decline and fall of the human race". I see the zombie infection as a pandemic in all of those movies and not an effect of social events or something.
It seems to me that we sould probably divide these two topics, it would resolve questions of what is viable on the list. technically, apocalyptic fiction is any fiction wherein the world and/or civilization is close to destruction, post-apocalyptic concerns what happens thereafter. (even though, ironically, for it to be a true apocalypse, there would have to be no one left at all; therefore post-apocalyptic is really not even a valid genre) at least this is my impression. thoughts? Gizzakk 18:18, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
Would anyone oppose moving this to Apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction (ie. remove the "science")? It's pretty clear that a large number of these articles are not science fiction, at least how it's described on Wikipedia -- for instance The Day After. Christopher Parham (talk) 09:34, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
"Due to the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in its modern past, Japanese popular culture is rife with apocalyptic themes. Much of Japan's manga and anime is loaded with apocalyptic imagery." Anybody cite source?
The anime Cowboy Bebop is about a team of bounty hunters in the future. In the year that the anime is set in, Mars and other planets have been colonized but Earth is desolate and most of it's residents have left it due to the Gate Accident many years earlier, causing a meteorite falls every two days, changing the landscape. Couldn't this therefore classify under post-apocalyptic? -- Isequals 01:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Post apocalypse (WW III) literature:
I'll try to think of some others; there are "scads" (many).
Also, if "After the fall of space-based civilization" is a category, the floodgates are wide-open. Just for a start, there's Against the Fall of Night and The City and the Stars (both by Arthur C. Clarke); The Mote in God's Eye (Niven & Pournelle); The Dragon Masters (Jack Vance) (and arguably his The Last Castle); and Chad Oliver's poignant Transfusion.
OTOH, maybe we should just pick a few representative samples for each category, rather than trying to make up an exhaustive list. -- ChrisWinter 21:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Movies: mad max, waterworld and will smiths newest one? games: post apocalyptic is maybe a even more popular theme here than in any other media, for example the Fallout series
This may just be me, but I do not see how halo is post-apocalyptic
I'd say TORG should go into the religious / supernatural category, as the High Lords use supernatural forces to invade Earth (their powers derive from the Darkness Devices, which were created by the Nameless One to fight creation and possibility). -- Nils Jeppe 14:54, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I think Stephen King's novel Cell should be in this list (the story focuses on a sort of virus transmitter by cell phone signals, and anyone who uses a cell phone becomes insane and cannibalistic (zombie-ish, though these people are still alive, as in the movie 28 Days Later)). I'm not sure what category to put this novel under. -- RazorICE 10:07, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
-G —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.231.135.156 ( talk) 05:43, August 23, 2007 (UTC)
This article as it is should be renamed "List of Apocalyptic and Post Apocalyptic Fiction", and leave room for an article actually describing the genre, its origins, etc.-- SidiLemine 13:37, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Could use votes to save this article, thanks MapleTree 22:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Just letting the editors of this article know that there is a discussion on Talk:Alternate future about the encyclopedicness of that article that I think editors of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction might be interested in participating in. — Lowellian ( reply) 21:54, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Post-apocalyptic fiction was a major genre back in the 1960s and '70s. I would rate this article as Mid importance. Avt tor 03:19, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Support, post-apocalyptic is more common terms and Holocaust has different connotations.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 19:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
Support, it's the same topic under a different name. Noclevername 00:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Merged. Christopher Parham (talk) 02:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
"The first atomic weapon in fiction appeared in Robert Cromie's "The Crack of Doom", published in 1895" This line cannot be accurate...right? Mwv2 02:04, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Why isn't there a Category:Apocalyptic fiction? Almost every film, book and TV series about an alien invasion fits the category. Also, all these of the "eschatological fiction" genre.-- Nohansen 21:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
And where does the "Planet of the Apes" fit into post-apocalyptic fiction? I'm amazed this body of work has been overlooked —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.27.11.89 ( talk) 10:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
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that PA is inspited by biblical acounts in uncontroversial, and that the Bible contains descriptions of them
Our inclusion criterion is not controversiality, it is verifiability. If a section remains unsourced despite being flagged for sources, then there's nothing wrong with removing it. Either sources should be found soon or this paragraph removed again. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 16:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I started this to improve the history or; well, anyway, I have an idea on something I think should be added to 'Ancient Predecessors':
7h3 3L173 (
talk)
05:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
While surfing the internet I stumbled across something all you will find very interesting. http://encyclopedia.vbxml.net/Apocalyptic_and_post-apocalyptic_fiction
if you clicked the link and looked at the page you will realize that either the author of this wiki page plagiarized this ENTIRE article or this web site plagiarized us. In either case, proper action must be taken. -- Kurtcool2 ( talk) 03:25, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is becoming a list again, as people wander in and tack their favorite example on the end. For instance, the mention of I Am Legend is clearly an afterthought by someone who just saw the movie: no citation, no mention of the novel, no mention of Omega Man. Obviously unresearched. dbw ( talk) 19:23, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
I removed this from the "nuclear apocalypse" section, where it does not belong. To be honest, though, I do not know where it does belong, as it does not seem post-apocalyptic to me.
Anyone have any ideas of what should be done with this? --- RepublicanJacobite The'FortyFive' 15:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
The majority of readers and critics see the devastation in 'The Road' as the result of climate change, not nuclear war. Wether this is right or not, the disaster is never spacified as nuclear war so it shouldnt be listed as a post-nuclear novel. Pedantic i know, but still. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.2.46.174 ( talk) 16:38, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi Everyone. I don't want to cause a fuss, but I am wondering how adding post peak oil could be considered pushing a point of view. There are many works that deal with what happens when oil runs out. The movie the Road Warrior movies were about that, so I think was the Kevin Costner Movie the Postman. The questionable quality of those, might be an issue but I would think that that scenario would qualify as a kind of post apocolyptic fiction. I frankly never even considered that there might be "official" sub genres in this area. Is there some Science Fiction governing bodie that decides these things? However even if there is, it seems to me that the purpose of the article is to help people see the different kinds of themes that authors pursue when speculating about the end of civilization as we know it. Not that I am a fan, but it would seem that books like the "Left Behind" series are part of this genre. I ask these things in all seriousness. I went to the talk page of Dream Guy and he has a kind of prickly message that had me think that I might have been mistaken for someone elese. Elmmapleoakpine ( talk) 23:37, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
"The Matrix" is listed under "Failure of Modern Technology", but shouldn't it be in a category like "Uprising of Modern Technology" or "Robot Apocalypse"? (Along with a movie like "Terminator"). Also, shouldn't there be a "Zombie Apocalypse" section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.195.141.148 ( talk) 22:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
This article seemed to me to be a better destination for searches regarding doomsday films. That other article lacks cites and seems to be a general list, the films mentioned within would all seem to logically fall under the umbrella of this article. Any thoughts? Alastairward ( talk) 21:21, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
After the link to "Survivalism" in the See Also section, many of the other elements would be appropriately listed in the main text, or removed entirely.
The Fallout Game series could instead be a link to the section "2.5 Games" in the "List of apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic fiction" page.
Tank Girl, Mad Max, Fist of the North Star and MD Geist are all pop culture examples of post-apocalyptic fiction and have appropriate sections already in the main body. Though I admit MD Geist's synopsis has me confused as to what is actually going on (as it doesn't read like the actual genre).
Reading the synopsis of Robotech: Invasion shows that the material isn't about an apocalypse/Armageddon/post-apocalypse as it is about an Alien Invasion. As Alien Invasion science-fiction isn't entirely covered in this article it should probably be removed. Since War of the Worlds is included, I could see how someone would add Robotech: Invasion, but the Alien Invasion subgenre being so developed, there is probably more of a case to remove both references instead.
99.65.197.20 ( talk) 07:18, 13 February 2010 (UTC)Nathan
In this article it says: "Andre Norton wrote one of the definitive, post apocalyptic novels, Star Man's Son (AKA, Daybreak 2250), published in 1952, where a young man, Fors, begins an Arthurian quest for lost knowledge, through a radiation ravaged landscape, with the aid of a telepathic, mutant cat. He encounters mutated creatures, "the beast things," which are possibly a degenerated form of humans."
Who decided this is one of the definitive post-apocalyptic novels? If it's such an important book why is it not in print with the dozens of other novels written by Andre Norton? A new copy of this book cannot be found anywhere I've searched. Does anyone know of the actual importance/relevance of "Star Man's Son, 2250 A.D" as it seems it is most commonly called? 67.169.57.180 ( talk) 10:44, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
"Original research," I'm sure, but I always took the beast things to be mutant rats. 24.61.4.237 ( talk) 02:20, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Two fine examples of this sub-genre in literature are Memoirs of a Survivor by Doris Lessing and Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler. Of course, I know most Wiki users don't read books as main references are films and videogames. Anyway, it makes sense the mention to Jack London's "The scarlet plague" as his story anticipated all the typical stuff of the sub-genre. Indeed, the article is becoming a low-quality list. 153.109.42.97 ( talk) 21:03, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand completely the prefixation in english, if there are rational rules (I'm spanish native and I know very well its rules; only a few of english), but why do you write post-apocalyptic and not postapocalyptic, which is, at my point of view, the correct form. I will thank a reply. Greetings, An unknown user. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.38.24.132 ( talk) 14:13, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
It seems to be a
dialect and style manual thing, according to the
hyphen article. Generally hyphen is preferred in British English and omitted in American English; but there are some specific rules defining cases where hyphenation is mandatory - see
Hyphen#Prefixes_and_suffixes.
Arloz (
talk)
16:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to increase the list the causes of a post-apocalyptic event at the beginning of this article. I believe this is necessary due to the wide array of scenarios that have evolved in modern fiction. I've tried recently but my edits were removed on the basis that they need to be discussed first. Thus, I welcome any comments or concerns for this proposal.( Hyperionsteel ( talk) 20:17, 14 February 2011 (UTC))
The Death of Grass (1956) could be listed as a early epidemic environnemental disaster. Lacrymocéphale 22:04, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Should video games be here under fiction, or in a separate article? — JerryFriedman (Talk) 20:45, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Looking through the list, I began to think that including dystopias as a sub-genre should be considered. I haven't researched the idea, but I noticed Anthem (a dystopia) made the Post-apocalyptic list. I would add Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four and also Brave New World. Small group but very indicative of a sub-genre of Post-apocalyptic fiction that I re-read. There are probably many others. Comments? Jacqke ( talk) 00:09, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
The novel The Postman written in 1985 by David Brin should be added into the post 1900 war section. Set in a post limited-nuclear war America, it fits perfectly under that heading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.94.214 ( talk) 18:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Raising this for the third time: the article is an example farm. This exact same issue was previously raised in 2006 and 2009, and apparently nothing was done either time. Either delete the bulk of the "examples", or split them off into a list article. The article as it stands says very little about the subject, and is just a fancruft dump. 12.233.146.130 ( talk) 02:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
To better avoid the issue of this just being a list of different works w/ post apocalyptic and apocalyptic fic, order by type of media instead of by date? Or at least, break up the dates into smaller sections besides pre/post 1900.
There's a lot of potential for a good discussion, but there really needs to be a section on themes, the history of the subsubgenre, and then maybe major NOTABLE works, everything else can always be listed on another page or made as a category.
Tons of research/writing exists on this topic, the effort just needs to be expended to get it on here.MSK 04:52, 15 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meagansk ( talk • contribs)
Some 'surreal' examples of Post-Apocalyptic fiction
This is just personal interpretation, but I thought I'd throw it out there. It always struck me that the following films and short story used themes or aesthetics of post-apocalypse, while not generally being about them (pardon me if they are already in the article and I missed them):
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream (Harlan Ellison)
Eraserhead (David Lynch)
Tetsuo the Iron Man (Shinya Tsukamoto)
Begotten (E. Elias Mehrige) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.199.220 ( talk) 23:13, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
This is just personal interpretation, but I thought I'd throw it out there. It always struck me that the following films and stories used themes or aesthetics of post-apocalypse, while not generally being about them (pardon me if they are already in the article and I missed them):
The Atrocity Exhibition (J.G. Ballard)
I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream (Harlan Ellison)
Eraserhead (David Lynch)
Tetsuo the Iron Man (Shinya Tsukamoto)
Begotten (E. Elias Mehrige) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.3.199.220 ( talk) 23:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I would doubt that The War of the Worlds has become famous "due to the famous radio adaptation of the novel by Orson Welles on his show, The Mercury Theatre on the Air". It was famous amongst those who could read long before American radio listeners heard the dramatization. 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 07:28, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
I believe the theme is based on catastrophe, but is it necessarily always sci-fi? because the science in sci-fi is not the same as our science so if there's a post apocalyptic fiction movie or book but not showing any sign of differing science, is it really sci-fi? Normally it is, but I'm just bringing up the unique cases-- Taeyebaar ( talk) 22:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
I agree-- Taeyebaar ( talk) 03:45, 22 August 2014 (UTC)