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Just a point here about the design of this poll, look at the choice of countries. The neighbors (Korea/Japan/Philippines/etc) are reasonable choices. Most of the other countries are all Westerners or Caucasians. China is supposed to be more popular in many third-world countries where it has development projects.
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Please add about Sinophobia and Tibet and East Turkestan other region of China-- Kaiyr ( talk) 10:52, 29 June 2018 (UTC)
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In the table Results of 2017 Eurobarometer poll there are missing several minus signs in the last column, notably for Belgium, Finland and Slovenia till United Kingdom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.145.170.227 ( talk) 06:27, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
And one poster writes ukranians are angry over the "subsequent accusation of Ukrainian Nazis from Azov Battalion being sent to Hong Kong to assist protesters in Chinese state media" as if they had no right to do that. In what article or source stated that ukiranians are specifically mad at china for that? And is just arbitrary since western media like Vice news etc HAD also published those exact same accusations of the actual Ukrainian nazis in hk protest because they were based on actual facts. The author was making his own conclusions and they aren't appropriate for wikipedia. Editors shouldn't just use their own research and own conclusions but instead use only proper sources to back any statements. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3040625/far-right-ukrainian-activists-say-they-were-only-hong-kong
One of many reasons I found wrong about the whole section is ie, two sources the editors uses were of an insignificant individual Chinese nationalist blogs accusing the nazis in hk for making trouble for china, https://www.guancha.cn/internation/2019_12_03_527229.shtml and then goes to use them as his source to make up his own narrative that it makes a large Ukrainian population angry. That is beyond ridiculous and why I am deleting such abusive editing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/956146263 It's okay to say there are nazis in Ukraine or a hundred Ukrainian activists are supporting HK protest. Tho the latter wouldn't really be actually sinophobia. As it's nothing to do with them being Chinese technically. Sinophobia is more about prejudice for simply being Chinese. If there are legit hate crimes against chinese in Ukraine, then it would be alright to put that in here.
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Sinophobia → Anti-Chinese sentiment – As per WP:NPOV, the proposed title follows the norm of neutrality in line with the articles such as, the Anti-Japanese sentiment, Anti-Korean sentiment and Anti-Indian sentiment etc. Also as per WP:CONSISTENT, it is in line with other articles of related subject such as, the Anti-Chinese sentiment in Japan, Anti-Chinese sentiment in Korea and Anti-Chinese sentiment in the United States. The archaic term "sinophobia" in its broader definition and the "phobia" against the East Asians is already covered in the article Yellow Peril. — Hemant Dabral ( 📞 • ✒) 08:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
If you look at the history, someone anonymous replaced 'China' with ' ching chong'! What the hell is that? Luckily I quickly undid it. With that I request a semi-protection lock. In the midst of this pandemic, this article is very vulnerable. Gerald WL 03:47, 9 July 2020 (UTC) Update: The person, who is anon and is an IP, keeps on bringing back his edit. Please quickly lock it, this article is vulnerable! Gerald WL 06:38, 9 July 2020 (UTC) Update again: the person kept on making racist edits. I don't want a revert war to happen. Please make it semi-protected. This IP user is dangerous. Gerald WL 14:35, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
"Chinese government retaliated by issuing warning travel to Czech Republic, using the lament of rising COVID-19 infection and racism in the country."
Doesn't sound very encyclopedic. It should be clarified what exactly is meant by this sentence. More importantly, there is no mention in the referenced article of China "using" the "lament" to retaliate. Looks like WP:NOR. -- 217.24.224.34 ( talk) 14:29, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
I assure that most of you who wrote this thread are people lived in the West. Therefore, as a Hong Konger , I wanna point out the fact that china is using its economic power to bully other countries. We experience these kind of stuff almost everyday. They would threatening us, trying to cancel us and even sending death threat to us. They are doing this for years. Just take the ongoing Tokoyo Olympics as a example, numerous death threats and bullying messages was send to the Japanese Contestants just because they won. People from the west sometime have this naive thought of these Anti-Chinese sentiment must come from some sort of unfair treatment or discrimination. Maybe part of it is true but the real reason why surrounding countries have such negative views toward china is becasue china have been oppressing us for a long time.
I am not trying to blame you guys as I know the fact that most of you dont even live in Asia. So it makes sense for you guys oversimplifying things. And I just here to provide another experience and prospective.
Woah lads, you are too quick to judge on some complicated topic like this. For example all your ″economic power to bully other countries″ and ″oppressing us for a long time″ arguments as well can be used to describe US politics. Just basic search via Wikipedia shows this: [1], [2], [3]. So we should separate this article then - [4]? Or maybe you should stop viewing politics from the ″good — evil″ perspective and try to grow up a little bit? 5.167.236.63 ( talk) 08:56, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
A very simplified opinion on the matter. You say you're a HKer, but page 8 of this Gallup poll suggests that HKers (esp. the older ones) have had a history of supporting the CCP (see for instance, some of their views on Tibetan independence). These same pro-Chinese govt views can be found from polls in other Asian countries like Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand etc.
So unlike the West where ppl will dislike the PRC govt more than PRC citizens (although with COVID the difference is getting smaller), some of China's Southeast Asian neighbours seem to have it reversed, disliking PRC citizens more than their govt. Whether or not these Southeast Asians' dislike for PRC ppl is justifiable or based on bigotry is another matter (I hear similar views toward Russians can be found in Greece, Cyprus, & Bulgaria, countries which tend to be pro-Putin). Donkey Hot-day ( talk) 05:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
This seems to be creating an artificial difference in terminology where it doesn't exist. Sinophobia has been used to describe discrimination and fear of Chinese people as well as China to the point where it is interchangeable. A cursory google search would provide proof of that. Separation of article into anti-Chinese sentiment and "Sinophobia" would be creating something new in terminology on wikipedia where it didn't exist elsewhere. Basically original research since Sinophobia does not just refer to fear of China. Qiushufang ( talk) 22:27, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
an affective feeling towards a person based on their perceived group membershipor
a preconceived (usually unfavourable) evaluation or classification of another person based on that person's perceived political affiliation, sex, gender, .... That's a different phenomenon (thing) to political dissent and criticism. To take the example that is probably the most attention-seeking in Wikipedia, Antisemitism and Criticism of the Israeli government are distinct topics (though there are some relations between the two). Nobody would accept to merge those into a single article. Boud ( talk) 15:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Fear of or contempt for China, its people, or its culture.,
a strong dislike of or prejudice against China, Chinese people and culture,
a fear or dislike of China, or Chinese people, their language or culture. If that is true, then sinophobia is more expansive than the definition of antisemitism if it does not include criticism or hatred of Israel. Not all definitions of similar concepts or types of prejudice are one to one matches. I am saying that I have not been able to find specific distinctions in the usage of sinophobia where it separates fear and hatred of the government as something else entirely not covered by sinophobia. A recent example being this article where someone says that "Sinophobia is the fear of China and Chinese people." Here another article seems to use sinophobia as fear of China. If there is an urge to split this article it does not reflect how the term is commonly used currently. Qiushufang ( talk) 15:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Encyclopedia articles should begin with a good definition and description of one topic (or a few largely or completely synonymous or otherwise highly related topics), but the article should provide other types of information about that topic as well. An encyclopedic definition is more concerned with encyclopedic knowledge (facts) than linguistic concerns.(italics changed to bold by me).We could add a section about academic debate about the use of the word wikt:Sinophobia, provided that there are good sources. Boud ( talk) 16:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
There are no academic debates, or media debates, or even definition debates about the word "Sinophobia" as far as I can tell. I did not say anything about polling and even said that I am not against making a dedicated article for that type of content. Qiushufang ( talk) 17:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Ratuva 2022, East Asia, 39, 13 says that the US, France and Australia for more than a century have been using anti-Chinese racism as a tool for geopolitical interests, and that Sinophobic narrative has morphed into an everyday political cliché as a result of repetitive enunciation over time...
. He doesn't say that racism and opposition to China are the same thing, though he says that there's a close relation - i.e. state involvement in encouraging racism (not the only case in history of that). A cliché is not a meaningful topic for a Wikipedia article, unless it's to discuss the cliché itself (origin, influence).
There has been some media debate about the Cornish exhibition at the ANU SCMP 2021, and the artist Luke Cornish (Wikipedia notable) distinguishes criticism of China from anti-Chinese racism (he apologised for one artwork and objected to censorship of the other two). Boud ( talk) 17:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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Xx236 ( talk) 06:53, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
This article makes the assumption that sinophobia is congruous with anti-CCP sentiment. The pew poll linked refers to worldwide sentiment vs CCP not ethnic chinese people. Many people in the world distinguish between chinese people and chinese government in their opinions and negative attitude. This article needs serious rewriting. 98.216.50.110 ( talk) 17:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
The off-topic section in this article, which started a confusion between prejudice towards ethnic Chinese versus criticism or feelings against the PRChinese government or state (there's currently essentially no distinction of govt vs state - it's a dictatorship) was started in this edit on 27 July 2018 by a user who has been blocked indefinitely since two days later - 29 July 2018. Unfortunately, later editors didn't seem to have noticed the confusion, and didn't tidy up.
If there are enough sources of material in this article to split off Criticism of China, or to override the current 'redirect' which is anti-China sentiment, then I recommend that anyone willing to should go ahead and WP:SPLIT on the grounds of these being two different topics. The fact that some dictionaries happen to interpret the word wikt:sinophobia as having either or both meanings does not imply that scholars of racism and scholars of China agree that these are a single topic. Obviously, there are likely to be some relations between the two, but that doesn't justify a merger between distinct topics. Racism is not political criticism or opposition.
I was going to try a split myself, but it turned out that the off-topic material started with a copyright violation 4.5 years old. That also puts the rest of the section under a bit of suspicion for copyvios, making it not so easy to start the split article. Boud ( talk) 16:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Reminder from above:
Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary#The dictionary definition trap: Encyclopedia articles should begin with a good definition and description of one topic (or a few largely or completely synonymous or otherwise highly related topics), but the article should provide other types of information about that topic as well. An encyclopedic definition is more concerned with encyclopedic knowledge (facts) than linguistic concerns.
(italics changed to bold by me).
@ Chillabit, Wefwe620, Donkey Hot-day, Horse Eye's Back, Xx236, and SinoDevonian: This is just a ping to non-IP editors who appear to have been recently (talk page 'recent') concerned about keeping the scope of this article to one topic or otherwise discussing scope. Boud ( talk) 17:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Problem: In
this version of 16:12 20 March 2023, the scope was Anti-Chinese sentiment, also known as Sinophobia, is a fear or dislike of China, Chinese people or Chinese culture
. (I modified that but we don't yet have clear consensus for my modification.) This definition and title equate (1) Anti-Chinese sentiment, which will generally be interpreted as
prejudice against people who are perceived as ethnic Chinese, with the more ambiguously defined word (2) Sinophobia, which appears to include both anti-ethnic-Chinese prejudice and criticism or negative sentiment against the
People's Republic of China. The scope statement of 16:12 20 March 2023 makes the scope unclear, and risks readers thinking that sentiment or criticism against China as a state is a form of racism. The sources appear to support deliberate confusion of the two distinct topics by state actors (
Ratuva 2022, East Asia, 39, 13). We need to clarify what the scope of this article should be.
Luke Cornish (a notable artist)
distinguishes criticism of China from anti-Chinese racism and was subject to
a well-known censorship incident related to the distinction, or lack of distinction between racism and state criticism.
Scope proposal:
Please add * Support 1 or * Support 2 or * Oppose 1 or * Oppose 2, with reasons and sources (which do not have to be already present in the article). Clarification: this is not formally a move request, but if consensus is obtained for 2, then an informal move request, after closure of this scope proposal, would be likely to achieve easy consensus. Boud ( talk) 19:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
(Space for longer discussion, as opposed to support/oppose, sources and main arguments) Boud ( talk) 19:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Support 1: I would support having separate articles for Anti-Chinese sentiment, Sinophobia, and Criticism of China/Anti-China sentiment with some caveats. There are obvious overlaps between the three and interconnecting points. For example it is not clear where the anti-China part or anti-Chinese people part of the
China Initiative beings and ends as it affected both Chinese Americans and Chinese nationals ostensibly to combat Chinese state objectives. A non-insignificant number of its victims could make an argument that they were targeted solely for being Chinese. In this instance how would such a topic be categorized or would it just appear in all articles? What is the degree of overlap that is appropriate? Certainly many items could belong solely in one category and not the other but many also would fit in either categories. What is the threshold here?
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Oppose 1: Change to outright oppose due to
below conversation. I am changing my support to an oppose as of currently. Until I am confident that the above proposal can be clearly carried out without haphazard deletions such as by HEB, I can't condone the scope change.
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Oppose split in general: In practice, the exact motivation and intended target can be difficult to differentiate. The language of questionnaires often do not make such distinctions either. I would also venture that Sinophobia and anti-Chinese sentiment are close to being synonymous. Although Wikipedia does not have to follow dictionaries, their broad definition suggest that in practice and in reality, the concepts are interwoven. The political situations involved here also make it even more complicated. Lastly, the series on discrimination often groups nation and ethnicity together already. Anti-Americanism, for example, covers criticism of the country, its government, as well as its people. If any information in an article clearly falls within only a narrower scope, that can simply be noted as such. Vacosea ( talk) 02:20, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
This entire page is Wumao nonsense. It is equating countries being against China and calling that "anti-Chinese sentiment" trying to steal the connotation of "anti-Semitic sentiment" as if it's some kind of racism thing. Despite in reality many of these countries against China hold pro-Taiwan positions (clearly showing it isn't about race/ethnicity). Shame on Wikipedia for allowing the Wumao to spread their propaganda nonsense on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.1.253 ( talk) 01:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Rjensen: if you would like to make a page for sentiments regarding the People's Republic of China you can... But thats not the topic of this page. Horse Eye's Back ( talk) 15:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
The dictionaries in notes 2-3-4-5 all agree that the country is a target. Sinophobia = " strong dislike of or prejudice against China, Chinese people and culture" = Macmillan dictionary note 3. also Sinophobia is "Fear of or contempt for China, its people, or its culture" states note#2 The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language. Also Collins Dictionary = "a fear or dislike of China, or Chinese people, their language or culture". Rjensen ( talk) 15:56, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Here's a current analysis published by the Society for Cultural Anthropology at this link: " Sinophobia, Epidemics, and Interspecies Catastrophe By Christos Lynteris June 23, 2020: "Since January 2020, the Covid-19 pandemic has been accompanied by a wave of racist, xenophobic incidents targeting people perceived by their attackers as Chinese or Asian. A source of particular alarm is the reported pattern of bullying and attacking individuals as “viruses.” ....The nineteenth century saw the establishment of China in Western imagination as the “Sick Man of Asia” and at the same time as the origin of infectious diseases like plague (Lynteris 2018) and smallpox (Craddock 1995; Heinrich 2007), which were beginning to be understood in terms of bacteriology. The outbreak of plague in the British colony of Hong Kong in 1894 and the spread of the disease across the globe in what came to be known as the third plague pandemic played a catalytic role in this identification of China as the breeding ground of pandemics (Echenberg 2007). This global pandemic unfolded at the height of the Yellow Peril, and played an important role in its development (Lynteris 2018). The identification of Chinese urban spaces, especially Chinatowns, as the “breeding grounds” of plague (Lynteris 2017; Engelmann 2018), and of the bodies of Chinese migrants, even Chinese objects (Peckham 2016), as catalysts of contagion was linked at the time with an understanding of China as an empire in decay. Associated with ideas of racial degeneration prevalent at the time, this image fostered an idea that diseases that were supposed to belong to humanity’s past, like plague, festered in China, and thus threatened the modern world with a relapse to the middle ages." Rjensen ( talk) 16:16, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Is it not possible that anyone using the term 'Wumao' are themselves pushing an anti-Chinese agenda? If so, shame on them for spreading propaganda. Given this, does Wikipedia have a policy on the use of racially insulting terms?
Sinophobia is a real problem. The article's preamble is fitting ("Anti-Chinese sentiment, a form of racism against Asians, is a fear or dislike of China, Chinese people or Chinese culture, also referred to as Sinophobia.")
But in much of the text that follows, "anti-Chinese sentiment" is conflated with a critical view on the People's Republic's leaders. According to China's constitution, the people have rights such as freedom of expression and the right to assembly (Article 35). However, these rights are revoked for those who critizice the government. They are routinely charged with "Picking quarrels and provoking trouble" or subversion of the state. Here's one of many cases: [4] By the logic of the present version of the article, any political opposition to the dictatorship is 'a form of racism against Asians'. This is ridiculous. Those who promote the view that universal human rights should also be granted to the people of China, are sinophiles, not sinophobes.
Sometimes, when invoking universal human rights, an accusation of disrespecting Chinese culture and its contrasts to western ideas often surfaces. Nothing could be further from the truth: Chang Peng Chun, a Chinese philosopher, playwright and diplomat was the vice-chair of the drafting committee for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. He has been credited with being one of the philosophical leaders of the deliberations, and introduced ideas from a leading Chinese philosopher, Mengzi (Mencius) because of their universal validity.
It is frankly incredible that e.g. the people of Taiwan are portrayed as having "Anti-Chinese sentiment". They have "Anti-CCP sentiment", which is something completely different: Their sentiment is a defence of freedom for a Chinese people, and the opposite of racism against Asians.
The polling data that are provided are also very misleading. When asked about a favorable or non-favorable view on China, respondents will generally take this to be a question about China's government. When deteriorating poll numbers were seen during the pandemic, the article attributes this to increasing racism. It is likely that some of this change are correctly attributed to racism. But at the same time, the pandemic years coincided with brutal repressions in Hong Kong, and revelations of crimes against humanity through the supression of Uyghurs and other muslim minorities. These circumstances were almost certainly very important in the changing views on the People's Republic of China and its leaders. Yet, this is not discussed at all when the polling data are presented.
In fact, the rulers in Beijing considers all people of Chinese origin outside the People’s Republic to be nationals of China, regardless of their citizenship ( [5]). On multiple occasions, the power elites in Beijing have characterized Chinese people who oppose their authoritarian rule as "race traitors" (e.g. [6]). The Taiwanese' yearn for freedom is not "anti-Chinese". But the attempt to force people of Chinese descent to be agents of the dictatorship, is certainly an expression of "anti-Chinese sentiment". Why is there no mention of this in the article?
I have now explained why I find this article deeply flawed. My recommendation is to keep the section "Sinophobia during the COVID-19 pandemic", scrap the rest, and start from there. And be careful not to fall into the trap of yielding the power of defining what is Chinese to the self-serving power elites in Beijing. Melsom62 ( talk) 21:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
"Depictions of China and Chinese in Anglophone media have been a somewhat underreported subject in general, but most are mainly negative coverage. In 2016, Hong Kong's L. K. Cheah said to South China Morning Post that Western journalists who regard China's motives with suspicion and cynicism cherry-pick facts based on a biased view, and the misinformation that they produce as a result is unhelpful and sympathetic of the resentment against China. According to China Daily, a nationalist daily newspaper in China, Hollywood is accused of negative portrayals of Chinese in movies, such as bandits, thugs, criminals, gangsters, dangerous, cold-blooded, weak, and cruel; while American, as well as European, or Asian characters in general, are depicted as saviors. Even anti-Chinese whitewashing in film is common. Matt Damon, the American actor who appeared in The Great Wall, has also faced criticism that he had participated in "whitewashing" through his involvement in the historical epic and Hollywood-Chinese co-produced movie, which he denied. In practice, anti-Chinese political rhetoric usually puts emphasis on highlighting policies and alleged practices of the Chinese government that are criticised internally – corruption, human rights issues, unfair trade, censorship, violence, military expansionism, political interferences, and historical imperialist legacies. It is often in line with independent media opposing the Chinese government in mainland China as well as in the Special Administrative Regions of China, Hong Kong, and Macau. In defence of this rhetoric, some sources critical of the Chinese government claim that it is Chinese state-owned media and administration who attempt to discredit the "neutral" criticism by generalizing it into indiscriminate accusations of the whole Chinese population, and targeting those who criticize the regime - or sinophobia. Some have argued, however, that the Western media, similar to Russia's depictions, does not make enough distinction between CPC's regime and China and the Chinese, thus effectively vilifying the whole nation."
This section is clearly dissent of the government but it is grouped up into sinophobia, I say this should be deleted and also the section about New Zealand also contains unreliable sources. Also, the hollywood part where "Chinese people are depicted as evil" isnt accurate at all and using china daily a state owned media source as the citation. Rynoip ( talk) 21:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Just a point here about the design of this poll, look at the choice of countries. The neighbors (Korea/Japan/Philippines/etc) are reasonable choices. Most of the other countries are all Westerners or Caucasians. China is supposed to be more popular in many third-world countries where it has development projects.
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In the table Results of 2017 Eurobarometer poll there are missing several minus signs in the last column, notably for Belgium, Finland and Slovenia till United Kingdom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.145.170.227 ( talk) 06:27, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
And one poster writes ukranians are angry over the "subsequent accusation of Ukrainian Nazis from Azov Battalion being sent to Hong Kong to assist protesters in Chinese state media" as if they had no right to do that. In what article or source stated that ukiranians are specifically mad at china for that? And is just arbitrary since western media like Vice news etc HAD also published those exact same accusations of the actual Ukrainian nazis in hk protest because they were based on actual facts. The author was making his own conclusions and they aren't appropriate for wikipedia. Editors shouldn't just use their own research and own conclusions but instead use only proper sources to back any statements. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/3040625/far-right-ukrainian-activists-say-they-were-only-hong-kong
One of many reasons I found wrong about the whole section is ie, two sources the editors uses were of an insignificant individual Chinese nationalist blogs accusing the nazis in hk for making trouble for china, https://www.guancha.cn/internation/2019_12_03_527229.shtml and then goes to use them as his source to make up his own narrative that it makes a large Ukrainian population angry. That is beyond ridiculous and why I am deleting such abusive editing. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/956146263 It's okay to say there are nazis in Ukraine or a hundred Ukrainian activists are supporting HK protest. Tho the latter wouldn't really be actually sinophobia. As it's nothing to do with them being Chinese technically. Sinophobia is more about prejudice for simply being Chinese. If there are legit hate crimes against chinese in Ukraine, then it would be alright to put that in here.
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Sinophobia → Anti-Chinese sentiment – As per WP:NPOV, the proposed title follows the norm of neutrality in line with the articles such as, the Anti-Japanese sentiment, Anti-Korean sentiment and Anti-Indian sentiment etc. Also as per WP:CONSISTENT, it is in line with other articles of related subject such as, the Anti-Chinese sentiment in Japan, Anti-Chinese sentiment in Korea and Anti-Chinese sentiment in the United States. The archaic term "sinophobia" in its broader definition and the "phobia" against the East Asians is already covered in the article Yellow Peril. — Hemant Dabral ( 📞 • ✒) 08:43, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
If you look at the history, someone anonymous replaced 'China' with ' ching chong'! What the hell is that? Luckily I quickly undid it. With that I request a semi-protection lock. In the midst of this pandemic, this article is very vulnerable. Gerald WL 03:47, 9 July 2020 (UTC) Update: The person, who is anon and is an IP, keeps on bringing back his edit. Please quickly lock it, this article is vulnerable! Gerald WL 06:38, 9 July 2020 (UTC) Update again: the person kept on making racist edits. I don't want a revert war to happen. Please make it semi-protected. This IP user is dangerous. Gerald WL 14:35, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
"Chinese government retaliated by issuing warning travel to Czech Republic, using the lament of rising COVID-19 infection and racism in the country."
Doesn't sound very encyclopedic. It should be clarified what exactly is meant by this sentence. More importantly, there is no mention in the referenced article of China "using" the "lament" to retaliate. Looks like WP:NOR. -- 217.24.224.34 ( talk) 14:29, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
I assure that most of you who wrote this thread are people lived in the West. Therefore, as a Hong Konger , I wanna point out the fact that china is using its economic power to bully other countries. We experience these kind of stuff almost everyday. They would threatening us, trying to cancel us and even sending death threat to us. They are doing this for years. Just take the ongoing Tokoyo Olympics as a example, numerous death threats and bullying messages was send to the Japanese Contestants just because they won. People from the west sometime have this naive thought of these Anti-Chinese sentiment must come from some sort of unfair treatment or discrimination. Maybe part of it is true but the real reason why surrounding countries have such negative views toward china is becasue china have been oppressing us for a long time.
I am not trying to blame you guys as I know the fact that most of you dont even live in Asia. So it makes sense for you guys oversimplifying things. And I just here to provide another experience and prospective.
Woah lads, you are too quick to judge on some complicated topic like this. For example all your ″economic power to bully other countries″ and ″oppressing us for a long time″ arguments as well can be used to describe US politics. Just basic search via Wikipedia shows this: [1], [2], [3]. So we should separate this article then - [4]? Or maybe you should stop viewing politics from the ″good — evil″ perspective and try to grow up a little bit? 5.167.236.63 ( talk) 08:56, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
A very simplified opinion on the matter. You say you're a HKer, but page 8 of this Gallup poll suggests that HKers (esp. the older ones) have had a history of supporting the CCP (see for instance, some of their views on Tibetan independence). These same pro-Chinese govt views can be found from polls in other Asian countries like Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand etc.
So unlike the West where ppl will dislike the PRC govt more than PRC citizens (although with COVID the difference is getting smaller), some of China's Southeast Asian neighbours seem to have it reversed, disliking PRC citizens more than their govt. Whether or not these Southeast Asians' dislike for PRC ppl is justifiable or based on bigotry is another matter (I hear similar views toward Russians can be found in Greece, Cyprus, & Bulgaria, countries which tend to be pro-Putin). Donkey Hot-day ( talk) 05:28, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
This seems to be creating an artificial difference in terminology where it doesn't exist. Sinophobia has been used to describe discrimination and fear of Chinese people as well as China to the point where it is interchangeable. A cursory google search would provide proof of that. Separation of article into anti-Chinese sentiment and "Sinophobia" would be creating something new in terminology on wikipedia where it didn't exist elsewhere. Basically original research since Sinophobia does not just refer to fear of China. Qiushufang ( talk) 22:27, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
an affective feeling towards a person based on their perceived group membershipor
a preconceived (usually unfavourable) evaluation or classification of another person based on that person's perceived political affiliation, sex, gender, .... That's a different phenomenon (thing) to political dissent and criticism. To take the example that is probably the most attention-seeking in Wikipedia, Antisemitism and Criticism of the Israeli government are distinct topics (though there are some relations between the two). Nobody would accept to merge those into a single article. Boud ( talk) 15:18, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Fear of or contempt for China, its people, or its culture.,
a strong dislike of or prejudice against China, Chinese people and culture,
a fear or dislike of China, or Chinese people, their language or culture. If that is true, then sinophobia is more expansive than the definition of antisemitism if it does not include criticism or hatred of Israel. Not all definitions of similar concepts or types of prejudice are one to one matches. I am saying that I have not been able to find specific distinctions in the usage of sinophobia where it separates fear and hatred of the government as something else entirely not covered by sinophobia. A recent example being this article where someone says that "Sinophobia is the fear of China and Chinese people." Here another article seems to use sinophobia as fear of China. If there is an urge to split this article it does not reflect how the term is commonly used currently. Qiushufang ( talk) 15:59, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Encyclopedia articles should begin with a good definition and description of one topic (or a few largely or completely synonymous or otherwise highly related topics), but the article should provide other types of information about that topic as well. An encyclopedic definition is more concerned with encyclopedic knowledge (facts) than linguistic concerns.(italics changed to bold by me).We could add a section about academic debate about the use of the word wikt:Sinophobia, provided that there are good sources. Boud ( talk) 16:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
There are no academic debates, or media debates, or even definition debates about the word "Sinophobia" as far as I can tell. I did not say anything about polling and even said that I am not against making a dedicated article for that type of content. Qiushufang ( talk) 17:13, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Ratuva 2022, East Asia, 39, 13 says that the US, France and Australia for more than a century have been using anti-Chinese racism as a tool for geopolitical interests, and that Sinophobic narrative has morphed into an everyday political cliché as a result of repetitive enunciation over time...
. He doesn't say that racism and opposition to China are the same thing, though he says that there's a close relation - i.e. state involvement in encouraging racism (not the only case in history of that). A cliché is not a meaningful topic for a Wikipedia article, unless it's to discuss the cliché itself (origin, influence).
There has been some media debate about the Cornish exhibition at the ANU SCMP 2021, and the artist Luke Cornish (Wikipedia notable) distinguishes criticism of China from anti-Chinese racism (he apologised for one artwork and objected to censorship of the other two). Boud ( talk) 17:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
References
Xx236 ( talk) 06:53, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
This article makes the assumption that sinophobia is congruous with anti-CCP sentiment. The pew poll linked refers to worldwide sentiment vs CCP not ethnic chinese people. Many people in the world distinguish between chinese people and chinese government in their opinions and negative attitude. This article needs serious rewriting. 98.216.50.110 ( talk) 17:32, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
The off-topic section in this article, which started a confusion between prejudice towards ethnic Chinese versus criticism or feelings against the PRChinese government or state (there's currently essentially no distinction of govt vs state - it's a dictatorship) was started in this edit on 27 July 2018 by a user who has been blocked indefinitely since two days later - 29 July 2018. Unfortunately, later editors didn't seem to have noticed the confusion, and didn't tidy up.
If there are enough sources of material in this article to split off Criticism of China, or to override the current 'redirect' which is anti-China sentiment, then I recommend that anyone willing to should go ahead and WP:SPLIT on the grounds of these being two different topics. The fact that some dictionaries happen to interpret the word wikt:sinophobia as having either or both meanings does not imply that scholars of racism and scholars of China agree that these are a single topic. Obviously, there are likely to be some relations between the two, but that doesn't justify a merger between distinct topics. Racism is not political criticism or opposition.
I was going to try a split myself, but it turned out that the off-topic material started with a copyright violation 4.5 years old. That also puts the rest of the section under a bit of suspicion for copyvios, making it not so easy to start the split article. Boud ( talk) 16:39, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Reminder from above:
Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a dictionary#The dictionary definition trap: Encyclopedia articles should begin with a good definition and description of one topic (or a few largely or completely synonymous or otherwise highly related topics), but the article should provide other types of information about that topic as well. An encyclopedic definition is more concerned with encyclopedic knowledge (facts) than linguistic concerns.
(italics changed to bold by me).
@ Chillabit, Wefwe620, Donkey Hot-day, Horse Eye's Back, Xx236, and SinoDevonian: This is just a ping to non-IP editors who appear to have been recently (talk page 'recent') concerned about keeping the scope of this article to one topic or otherwise discussing scope. Boud ( talk) 17:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Problem: In
this version of 16:12 20 March 2023, the scope was Anti-Chinese sentiment, also known as Sinophobia, is a fear or dislike of China, Chinese people or Chinese culture
. (I modified that but we don't yet have clear consensus for my modification.) This definition and title equate (1) Anti-Chinese sentiment, which will generally be interpreted as
prejudice against people who are perceived as ethnic Chinese, with the more ambiguously defined word (2) Sinophobia, which appears to include both anti-ethnic-Chinese prejudice and criticism or negative sentiment against the
People's Republic of China. The scope statement of 16:12 20 March 2023 makes the scope unclear, and risks readers thinking that sentiment or criticism against China as a state is a form of racism. The sources appear to support deliberate confusion of the two distinct topics by state actors (
Ratuva 2022, East Asia, 39, 13). We need to clarify what the scope of this article should be.
Luke Cornish (a notable artist)
distinguishes criticism of China from anti-Chinese racism and was subject to
a well-known censorship incident related to the distinction, or lack of distinction between racism and state criticism.
Scope proposal:
Please add * Support 1 or * Support 2 or * Oppose 1 or * Oppose 2, with reasons and sources (which do not have to be already present in the article). Clarification: this is not formally a move request, but if consensus is obtained for 2, then an informal move request, after closure of this scope proposal, would be likely to achieve easy consensus. Boud ( talk) 19:11, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
(Space for longer discussion, as opposed to support/oppose, sources and main arguments) Boud ( talk) 19:22, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Support 1: I would support having separate articles for Anti-Chinese sentiment, Sinophobia, and Criticism of China/Anti-China sentiment with some caveats. There are obvious overlaps between the three and interconnecting points. For example it is not clear where the anti-China part or anti-Chinese people part of the
China Initiative beings and ends as it affected both Chinese Americans and Chinese nationals ostensibly to combat Chinese state objectives. A non-insignificant number of its victims could make an argument that they were targeted solely for being Chinese. In this instance how would such a topic be categorized or would it just appear in all articles? What is the degree of overlap that is appropriate? Certainly many items could belong solely in one category and not the other but many also would fit in either categories. What is the threshold here?
Qiushufang (
talk)
19:43, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
Oppose 1: Change to outright oppose due to
below conversation. I am changing my support to an oppose as of currently. Until I am confident that the above proposal can be clearly carried out without haphazard deletions such as by HEB, I can't condone the scope change.
Qiushufang (
talk)
16:02, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Oppose split in general: In practice, the exact motivation and intended target can be difficult to differentiate. The language of questionnaires often do not make such distinctions either. I would also venture that Sinophobia and anti-Chinese sentiment are close to being synonymous. Although Wikipedia does not have to follow dictionaries, their broad definition suggest that in practice and in reality, the concepts are interwoven. The political situations involved here also make it even more complicated. Lastly, the series on discrimination often groups nation and ethnicity together already. Anti-Americanism, for example, covers criticism of the country, its government, as well as its people. If any information in an article clearly falls within only a narrower scope, that can simply be noted as such. Vacosea ( talk) 02:20, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
This entire page is Wumao nonsense. It is equating countries being against China and calling that "anti-Chinese sentiment" trying to steal the connotation of "anti-Semitic sentiment" as if it's some kind of racism thing. Despite in reality many of these countries against China hold pro-Taiwan positions (clearly showing it isn't about race/ethnicity). Shame on Wikipedia for allowing the Wumao to spread their propaganda nonsense on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.1.253 ( talk) 01:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Rjensen: if you would like to make a page for sentiments regarding the People's Republic of China you can... But thats not the topic of this page. Horse Eye's Back ( talk) 15:44, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
The dictionaries in notes 2-3-4-5 all agree that the country is a target. Sinophobia = " strong dislike of or prejudice against China, Chinese people and culture" = Macmillan dictionary note 3. also Sinophobia is "Fear of or contempt for China, its people, or its culture" states note#2 The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language. Also Collins Dictionary = "a fear or dislike of China, or Chinese people, their language or culture". Rjensen ( talk) 15:56, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Here's a current analysis published by the Society for Cultural Anthropology at this link: " Sinophobia, Epidemics, and Interspecies Catastrophe By Christos Lynteris June 23, 2020: "Since January 2020, the Covid-19 pandemic has been accompanied by a wave of racist, xenophobic incidents targeting people perceived by their attackers as Chinese or Asian. A source of particular alarm is the reported pattern of bullying and attacking individuals as “viruses.” ....The nineteenth century saw the establishment of China in Western imagination as the “Sick Man of Asia” and at the same time as the origin of infectious diseases like plague (Lynteris 2018) and smallpox (Craddock 1995; Heinrich 2007), which were beginning to be understood in terms of bacteriology. The outbreak of plague in the British colony of Hong Kong in 1894 and the spread of the disease across the globe in what came to be known as the third plague pandemic played a catalytic role in this identification of China as the breeding ground of pandemics (Echenberg 2007). This global pandemic unfolded at the height of the Yellow Peril, and played an important role in its development (Lynteris 2018). The identification of Chinese urban spaces, especially Chinatowns, as the “breeding grounds” of plague (Lynteris 2017; Engelmann 2018), and of the bodies of Chinese migrants, even Chinese objects (Peckham 2016), as catalysts of contagion was linked at the time with an understanding of China as an empire in decay. Associated with ideas of racial degeneration prevalent at the time, this image fostered an idea that diseases that were supposed to belong to humanity’s past, like plague, festered in China, and thus threatened the modern world with a relapse to the middle ages." Rjensen ( talk) 16:16, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Is it not possible that anyone using the term 'Wumao' are themselves pushing an anti-Chinese agenda? If so, shame on them for spreading propaganda. Given this, does Wikipedia have a policy on the use of racially insulting terms?
Sinophobia is a real problem. The article's preamble is fitting ("Anti-Chinese sentiment, a form of racism against Asians, is a fear or dislike of China, Chinese people or Chinese culture, also referred to as Sinophobia.")
But in much of the text that follows, "anti-Chinese sentiment" is conflated with a critical view on the People's Republic's leaders. According to China's constitution, the people have rights such as freedom of expression and the right to assembly (Article 35). However, these rights are revoked for those who critizice the government. They are routinely charged with "Picking quarrels and provoking trouble" or subversion of the state. Here's one of many cases: [4] By the logic of the present version of the article, any political opposition to the dictatorship is 'a form of racism against Asians'. This is ridiculous. Those who promote the view that universal human rights should also be granted to the people of China, are sinophiles, not sinophobes.
Sometimes, when invoking universal human rights, an accusation of disrespecting Chinese culture and its contrasts to western ideas often surfaces. Nothing could be further from the truth: Chang Peng Chun, a Chinese philosopher, playwright and diplomat was the vice-chair of the drafting committee for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. He has been credited with being one of the philosophical leaders of the deliberations, and introduced ideas from a leading Chinese philosopher, Mengzi (Mencius) because of their universal validity.
It is frankly incredible that e.g. the people of Taiwan are portrayed as having "Anti-Chinese sentiment". They have "Anti-CCP sentiment", which is something completely different: Their sentiment is a defence of freedom for a Chinese people, and the opposite of racism against Asians.
The polling data that are provided are also very misleading. When asked about a favorable or non-favorable view on China, respondents will generally take this to be a question about China's government. When deteriorating poll numbers were seen during the pandemic, the article attributes this to increasing racism. It is likely that some of this change are correctly attributed to racism. But at the same time, the pandemic years coincided with brutal repressions in Hong Kong, and revelations of crimes against humanity through the supression of Uyghurs and other muslim minorities. These circumstances were almost certainly very important in the changing views on the People's Republic of China and its leaders. Yet, this is not discussed at all when the polling data are presented.
In fact, the rulers in Beijing considers all people of Chinese origin outside the People’s Republic to be nationals of China, regardless of their citizenship ( [5]). On multiple occasions, the power elites in Beijing have characterized Chinese people who oppose their authoritarian rule as "race traitors" (e.g. [6]). The Taiwanese' yearn for freedom is not "anti-Chinese". But the attempt to force people of Chinese descent to be agents of the dictatorship, is certainly an expression of "anti-Chinese sentiment". Why is there no mention of this in the article?
I have now explained why I find this article deeply flawed. My recommendation is to keep the section "Sinophobia during the COVID-19 pandemic", scrap the rest, and start from there. And be careful not to fall into the trap of yielding the power of defining what is Chinese to the self-serving power elites in Beijing. Melsom62 ( talk) 21:34, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
"Depictions of China and Chinese in Anglophone media have been a somewhat underreported subject in general, but most are mainly negative coverage. In 2016, Hong Kong's L. K. Cheah said to South China Morning Post that Western journalists who regard China's motives with suspicion and cynicism cherry-pick facts based on a biased view, and the misinformation that they produce as a result is unhelpful and sympathetic of the resentment against China. According to China Daily, a nationalist daily newspaper in China, Hollywood is accused of negative portrayals of Chinese in movies, such as bandits, thugs, criminals, gangsters, dangerous, cold-blooded, weak, and cruel; while American, as well as European, or Asian characters in general, are depicted as saviors. Even anti-Chinese whitewashing in film is common. Matt Damon, the American actor who appeared in The Great Wall, has also faced criticism that he had participated in "whitewashing" through his involvement in the historical epic and Hollywood-Chinese co-produced movie, which he denied. In practice, anti-Chinese political rhetoric usually puts emphasis on highlighting policies and alleged practices of the Chinese government that are criticised internally – corruption, human rights issues, unfair trade, censorship, violence, military expansionism, political interferences, and historical imperialist legacies. It is often in line with independent media opposing the Chinese government in mainland China as well as in the Special Administrative Regions of China, Hong Kong, and Macau. In defence of this rhetoric, some sources critical of the Chinese government claim that it is Chinese state-owned media and administration who attempt to discredit the "neutral" criticism by generalizing it into indiscriminate accusations of the whole Chinese population, and targeting those who criticize the regime - or sinophobia. Some have argued, however, that the Western media, similar to Russia's depictions, does not make enough distinction between CPC's regime and China and the Chinese, thus effectively vilifying the whole nation."
This section is clearly dissent of the government but it is grouped up into sinophobia, I say this should be deleted and also the section about New Zealand also contains unreliable sources. Also, the hollywood part where "Chinese people are depicted as evil" isnt accurate at all and using china daily a state owned media source as the citation. Rynoip ( talk) 21:48, 26 June 2024 (UTC)