![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | On 28 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Albert Levy (soldier), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Bert "Yank" Levy, who taught the British Home Guard and coauthored one of the first books on Guerrilla Warfare, said you could use a cheese cutter as a weapon? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Albert Levy (soldier). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
The DYK project ( nominate) 16:03, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
![]() | Daily page views
|
1) OK, I think that Levy is notable for his publication alone, plus his adventures. 2) I don't consider the website that gives his date of death to be reliable in the full Wikipedia sense. I've included it because it's th only source. 3) I'll tidy up the references tomorrow, and then i'll be done. 4) I've stuck with a UK military stub template because he was part of a British unit and the home guard (although he was never actually a member of the latter, I suspect, same grounds as Wintringham).-- Red Deathy 14:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to Yank Levy. We have decisive consensus that "Albert" is incorrect and the article must be moved. Participants are split on whether to rename the article Bert Levy or Yank Levy (as noted, any variant including quote marks should be avoided per WP:NICKNAME), but it appears a preference for Yank is emerging. No prejudice against reopening if it turns out Bert is more common, but the main thing is that "Albert" is removed. Cúchullain t/ c 14:44, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Albert Levy (soldier) →
Bert "Yank" Levy – --Relisted.
Andrewa (
talk) 06:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
18:40, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
According to the American National Biography article we have misnamed this, as he was born and is Bert, not Albert Levy. Levine, Allan E. "Bert "Yank" Levy". American National Biography on line. Oxford University Press. Retrieved April 16, 2014. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 12:53, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm good with either of those. Or just "Bert Levy" for the official title, with "Yank" Bert in the lead paragraph. I would note that the information we have about him in the Spanish Revolution refers to him as "yank" Levy, and there is even one book that is reproduced on one of the websites. Unfortunately, I don't know the books author or title. he was called "Yank" Levy in the comic book. If there is a policy against having the Nickname in the title, then so be it. Take a look a the list of references, as I took care to record the exact name used in any titles of articles. It makes no great difference, other than having this be "Albert" is an abomination, especially when this is on the main page today!
7&6=thirteen (
☎) 20:59, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
There are 31 referenced sources in the article, and all you have to do is click on them. And within some of them there are other uncredited sources. That is the evidence. With the exception of
Levine, Allan E.
"Bert "Yank" Levy".
American National Biography on line.
Oxford University Press. Archived from
the original on April 20, 2014. Retrieved April 16, 2014. {{
cite web}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; April 21, 2014 suggested (
help); Unknown parameter |deadurl=
ignored (|url-status=
suggested) (
help) nobody actually discusses his name in any of them. They just use his name without further elaboration. I can write the article and source it, but I am not going to spend that time relisting what is already there. If you choose not to bother reading the articles, you could just read the titles in the referenced sources. If you choose not to read them, I can't make you.
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
12:12, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
{{
cite web}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; April 21, 2014 suggested (
help); Unknown parameter |deadurl=
ignored (|url-status=
suggested) (
help) republished at The University Libraries, The
University of Iowa is particularly instrucitbve. It is his oswn spekaer brochure.
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
12:17, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
{{
cite web}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; April 22, 2014 suggested (
help); Unknown parameter |deadurl=
ignored (|url-status=
suggested) (
help)CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (
link) refers to him strictly as "yank" Levy, and contains a book that does so, too. IUnfortuantnley, I cna't figure out the author or title of the book.
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
12:23, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: others (
link)
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
12:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Bert "Yank" Levy and just "Yank" Levy. Rae, George Menendez, Pencils (February 1944).
"Jewish War Heroes" (Comic book) (1).
Canadian Jewish Congress: 3. Archived from
the original on April 18, 2014. Retrieved April 18, 2014. {{
cite journal}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; April 19, 2014 suggested (
help); Cite journal requires |journal=
(
help); Unknown parameter |deadurl=
ignored (|url-status=
suggested) (
help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
14:21, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
OK, I'm no longer confident that Bert Levy is the best title, Yank Levy is the other possibility. Three questions then:
Note that I'm not acting as an admin here, or offering to close the RM. Any editor, involved or not, can make an alternative proposal, and/or attempt to summarise where we are up to. Closing an RM is different, it must be an uninvolved editor, and most often an uninvolved admin. Andrewa ( talk) 18:08, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Could somebody fix that with a bot. I managed to miss it up. Thanks.
![]() | This help request has been answered. If you need more help, you can , contact the responding user(s) directly on their user talk page, or consider visiting the Teahouse. |
7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 22:38, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Albert Levy (soldier)
I have some suggestions for further modifications on this article.
Here. Feel free to use them. Remember to paraphrase, as those are all direct quotes.
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
21:46, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
G'day, in response to the message on my talk page, sorry I don't have the time to get in too deep with that article and have to limit myself to a quick copy edit, I'm afraid. Anyway, I do have a couple of suggestions, though:
Anyway, that's it from me. Good work on the article so far, and thanks for your efforts. Good luck with taking the article further. Once you are done, you might consider putting it up for peer review, as that might help generate more suggestions/comments/helpers. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 22:09, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
A date is a specific fact, is it not? A relationship is a specific fact? An event is, too. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 16:00, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
It wasn't George Weston (as stated in ANBO entry for Levy) but Garfield Weston who was responsible for funding the repatriation of Canadian Mac-Pap veterans. George died in 1924. The citation for this info is (according to the Wiki article) "World's baking king now Canada's biggest grocer", Toronto Daily Star, October 4, 1947. Xanthomelanoussprog ( talk) 20:34, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
The article currently asserts that, after he was released from Falangist custody, he was exchanged, and "personally recruited 1,200 volunteers for the Republican cause." To me that implies he recruited 1,200 volunteers who traveled to Spain to fight for the Republicans. Hello. How many Canadians, total, traveled to Spain? The Mackenzie-Papineau unit was only a battalion -- not a brigade.
Levy may have made this assertion, but it shouldn't be reported, as fact. He may have meant he convinced 1,200 individuals to go to Spain, or donate money, or other support that could be done within Canada. I think this assertion should be rewritten. How about replace 1,200 with many? Geo Swan ( talk) 22:03, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I've tried to give some areas, in particular the "Training officer and Consultant" section, a more encyclopedic and NPOV tone, though I still feel there are some tweaks to be made and other issues with the overabundance of inline quotations and the relevance of some information. I haven't had the chance to go through the sources more thoroughly but hope to give them a look with a view to increasing the general cohesion. Gnomenea ( talk) 08:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
![]() | This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
![]() | On 28 April 2014, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Albert Levy (soldier), which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Bert "Yank" Levy, who taught the British Home Guard and coauthored one of the first books on Guerrilla Warfare, said you could use a cheese cutter as a weapon? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Albert Levy (soldier). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. |
The DYK project ( nominate) 16:03, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
![]() | Daily page views
|
1) OK, I think that Levy is notable for his publication alone, plus his adventures. 2) I don't consider the website that gives his date of death to be reliable in the full Wikipedia sense. I've included it because it's th only source. 3) I'll tidy up the references tomorrow, and then i'll be done. 4) I've stuck with a UK military stub template because he was part of a British unit and the home guard (although he was never actually a member of the latter, I suspect, same grounds as Wintringham).-- Red Deathy 14:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move to Yank Levy. We have decisive consensus that "Albert" is incorrect and the article must be moved. Participants are split on whether to rename the article Bert Levy or Yank Levy (as noted, any variant including quote marks should be avoided per WP:NICKNAME), but it appears a preference for Yank is emerging. No prejudice against reopening if it turns out Bert is more common, but the main thing is that "Albert" is removed. Cúchullain t/ c 14:44, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Albert Levy (soldier) →
Bert "Yank" Levy – --Relisted.
Andrewa (
talk) 06:38, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
18:40, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
According to the American National Biography article we have misnamed this, as he was born and is Bert, not Albert Levy. Levine, Allan E. "Bert "Yank" Levy". American National Biography on line. Oxford University Press. Retrieved April 16, 2014. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 12:53, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm good with either of those. Or just "Bert Levy" for the official title, with "Yank" Bert in the lead paragraph. I would note that the information we have about him in the Spanish Revolution refers to him as "yank" Levy, and there is even one book that is reproduced on one of the websites. Unfortunately, I don't know the books author or title. he was called "Yank" Levy in the comic book. If there is a policy against having the Nickname in the title, then so be it. Take a look a the list of references, as I took care to record the exact name used in any titles of articles. It makes no great difference, other than having this be "Albert" is an abomination, especially when this is on the main page today!
7&6=thirteen (
☎) 20:59, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
There are 31 referenced sources in the article, and all you have to do is click on them. And within some of them there are other uncredited sources. That is the evidence. With the exception of
Levine, Allan E.
"Bert "Yank" Levy".
American National Biography on line.
Oxford University Press. Archived from
the original on April 20, 2014. Retrieved April 16, 2014. {{
cite web}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; April 21, 2014 suggested (
help); Unknown parameter |deadurl=
ignored (|url-status=
suggested) (
help) nobody actually discusses his name in any of them. They just use his name without further elaboration. I can write the article and source it, but I am not going to spend that time relisting what is already there. If you choose not to bother reading the articles, you could just read the titles in the referenced sources. If you choose not to read them, I can't make you.
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
12:12, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
{{
cite web}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; April 21, 2014 suggested (
help); Unknown parameter |deadurl=
ignored (|url-status=
suggested) (
help) republished at The University Libraries, The
University of Iowa is particularly instrucitbve. It is his oswn spekaer brochure.
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
12:17, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
{{
cite web}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; April 22, 2014 suggested (
help); Unknown parameter |deadurl=
ignored (|url-status=
suggested) (
help)CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (
link) refers to him strictly as "yank" Levy, and contains a book that does so, too. IUnfortuantnley, I cna't figure out the author or title of the book.
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
12:23, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
{{
cite journal}}
: CS1 maint: others (
link)
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
12:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Bert "Yank" Levy and just "Yank" Levy. Rae, George Menendez, Pencils (February 1944).
"Jewish War Heroes" (Comic book) (1).
Canadian Jewish Congress: 3. Archived from
the original on April 18, 2014. Retrieved April 18, 2014. {{
cite journal}}
: |archive-date=
/ |archive-url=
timestamp mismatch; April 19, 2014 suggested (
help); Cite journal requires |journal=
(
help); Unknown parameter |deadurl=
ignored (|url-status=
suggested) (
help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
14:21, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
OK, I'm no longer confident that Bert Levy is the best title, Yank Levy is the other possibility. Three questions then:
Note that I'm not acting as an admin here, or offering to close the RM. Any editor, involved or not, can make an alternative proposal, and/or attempt to summarise where we are up to. Closing an RM is different, it must be an uninvolved editor, and most often an uninvolved admin. Andrewa ( talk) 18:08, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Could somebody fix that with a bot. I managed to miss it up. Thanks.
![]() | This help request has been answered. If you need more help, you can , contact the responding user(s) directly on their user talk page, or consider visiting the Teahouse. |
7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 22:38, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Template:Did you know nominations/Albert Levy (soldier)
I have some suggestions for further modifications on this article.
Here. Feel free to use them. Remember to paraphrase, as those are all direct quotes.
7&6=thirteen (
☎)
21:46, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
G'day, in response to the message on my talk page, sorry I don't have the time to get in too deep with that article and have to limit myself to a quick copy edit, I'm afraid. Anyway, I do have a couple of suggestions, though:
Anyway, that's it from me. Good work on the article so far, and thanks for your efforts. Good luck with taking the article further. Once you are done, you might consider putting it up for peer review, as that might help generate more suggestions/comments/helpers. Regards, AustralianRupert ( talk) 22:09, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
A date is a specific fact, is it not? A relationship is a specific fact? An event is, too. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 16:00, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
It wasn't George Weston (as stated in ANBO entry for Levy) but Garfield Weston who was responsible for funding the repatriation of Canadian Mac-Pap veterans. George died in 1924. The citation for this info is (according to the Wiki article) "World's baking king now Canada's biggest grocer", Toronto Daily Star, October 4, 1947. Xanthomelanoussprog ( talk) 20:34, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
The article currently asserts that, after he was released from Falangist custody, he was exchanged, and "personally recruited 1,200 volunteers for the Republican cause." To me that implies he recruited 1,200 volunteers who traveled to Spain to fight for the Republicans. Hello. How many Canadians, total, traveled to Spain? The Mackenzie-Papineau unit was only a battalion -- not a brigade.
Levy may have made this assertion, but it shouldn't be reported, as fact. He may have meant he convinced 1,200 individuals to go to Spain, or donate money, or other support that could be done within Canada. I think this assertion should be rewritten. How about replace 1,200 with many? Geo Swan ( talk) 22:03, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I've tried to give some areas, in particular the "Training officer and Consultant" section, a more encyclopedic and NPOV tone, though I still feel there are some tweaks to be made and other issues with the overabundance of inline quotations and the relevance of some information. I haven't had the chance to go through the sources more thoroughly but hope to give them a look with a view to increasing the general cohesion. Gnomenea ( talk) 08:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)