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I see nothing in the article about Turing being autistic. An editor has just added a WikiProject Autism tag, and the article is already included in three autism related categories. I submit that unless something well sourced on this is added to the article, those categorisations and the project link are inappropriate. HiLo48 ( talk) 22:06, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I removed the autism project tag and was reverted. So I have asked a question about this at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard to find out if the biographies of people can be put in the autism project when there's no evidence in his biography that he was autistic. Thanks, Parabolooidal ( talk) 21:19, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Just curious Trovatore, though I think I know the answer. Would you feel differently if this was a living individual? Thanks, -- Malerooster ( talk) 02:22, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Muffinator, you suggest we take it up with the project members, on the project page. Well perhaps you should look at section 4.2 of WP:OWN. In this case the founder and main contributor of wikiproject autism seems to be yourself, so we would just be moving this conversation there. Placing a tag on a talkpage, with no explanation of why that tag is there seems very strange to me, and a bit of flaky speculation by a couple of scholars is not enough IMO. Martin451 17:37, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I think it's worth noting here that Muffinator has now been indefinitely topic banned from all articles and talk pages related to Autism. HiLo48 ( talk) 22:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
This isn't the most important issue ever, but might as well have it out. I reverted a recent new editor's BrE -> AmE changes, on WP:ENGVAR grounds, but I let the change from burgle to burglarize remain.
Is that correct? I know that burgle is more used in the UK than in the US, but it still strikes me as a bit informal for an encyclopedia. Really I always thought it was sort of a joke, a play on words.
“ | When the enterprising burglar's not a-burgling (not a-burgling) When the cutthroat isn't occupied in crime (-pied in crime) He loves to hear the little brook a-gurgling (brook a gurgling) And the pealing of the little village chime |
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On the other hand, burglarize is qualified as "chiefly North American" in Wiktionary. Is there burglarise instead? Or is there some more formal word, that doesn't have this jocular quality I hear in burgle? -- Trovatore ( talk) 22:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
According to this well-referenced site - http://www.turing.org.uk/scrapbook/run.html - Alan achieved very high standards in cross country and distance running and I think the inclusion of a section about this would increase the understanding of the man. He said running was very important for him to de-stress from his work and without the release and energy vigorous exercise gave him he may not have been such a successful computer scientist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.162.153 ( talk) 21:04, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
As we all know Turing is a lot of things and he is also being described by numerous publications as a "war hero" as he arguably saved millions of lives by breaking the Enigma code. I'm not confident to put it in the lead paragraph and I just want to know your stands regarding the matter first so here I am. Thoughts? AlanTuringFan ( talk) 08:04, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
I just corrected a sentence that stated that Turing was not aware of churches work. Turing states in his paper [1] that he is aware of Church's work. I quote the paragraph (the last one in the introduction) here:
"In a recent paper Alonzo Church has introduced an idea of "effective calculability", which is equivalent to my "computability", but is very differently defined. Church also reaches similar conclusions about the EntscheidungsproblemJ. The proof of equivalence between "computability" and "effective calculability" is outlined in an appendix to the present paper."
″At the moment, ignoring the standard birth and death dates, there is a large inconsistency with the accuracy of dates used in the lead. Historical dates are given correct to the year (1948, 1952, 1954), yet modern dates are given correct to the day (10 September 2009, 24 December 2013). This is a good example of recentism: the exact dates arose from when editors added the information to the article as the news 'broke' [5] [6], whilst it would be unusual to do the same if we were writing the article in ten years' time. Waldhorn has reinstated the inconsistency twice [7] [8]. Instead of reverting, I would like to ask for a second opinion from others. I am struggling to see any benefit with the current layout. 131.111.185.66 ( talk) 18:51, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Update. I have not received any kind of reply from Waldhorn. I have been bold and made the changes because they clearly represent an improvement to the article: we should not have to wait for a reply that might never come. 131.111.185.66 ( talk) 16:56, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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change "organisation" to "organization". This is located in the Cryptanalysis section, 1st sentence of the 2nd paragraph: "From September 1938, Turing had been working part-time with the GC&CS, the British code breaking organisation." 24.29.53.92 ( talk) 05:09, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I give notice I have deleted the picture, that appears in the section University work, of his statue in Sackville Gardens, Manchester, on the grounds that it is repeated in the section under Tributes, which describes the erection of the Turing memorial. Cloptonson ( talk) 13:45, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
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In the section titled "Tributes by universities," I would like to add turingscraft.com, a website created by Brooklyn College Computer Science professors to help students solve C++ problems. Kaneone ( talk) 08:16, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
What is the actual source for the statement in the lead "Winston Churchill said that Turing made the single biggest contribution to Allied victory in the war against Nazi Germany.[7]" The source given is this BBC News profile. And I see the same claim repeated in various places on the web and in recent books. But what is the actual, direct source to something Churchill said and when and where he said it? None of these places that repeat the statement give the actual details behind it.
I'm asking because it doesn't seem likely that Churchill would have said something like this. I don't see it anywhere in the Hodges biography. Churchill only met Turing once, during a summer 1941 visit to Bletchley Park (Hodges p. 205), and then there is the letter that autumn that Turing and three others wrote to Churchill asking for more administrative resources (Hodges pp. 219-221). Other than that, what contact did they ever have? Now, Churchill may well have thought Ultra made the single largest contribution to winning the war. But why would he had singled out Turing's role, as distinct from the many others working on it? Would he even have remembered who Turing was? And to whom would he have made such a remark? And when was it published? It certainly wasn't published by Churchill during his lifetime, since Ultra was still fully under wraps.
I will be happy to be proven wrong, but I have the feeling that this is one of those cases where one book or news piece makes a mistake somehow and then it just gets picked up and repeated over and over. Wasted Time R ( talk) 22:50, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
The article currently says:
This is misleading. The team did not receive a copy of this Churchill action, and only learned indirectly of the success of their letter to him.
If the article was not locked down and I had the power, I would take out "The effect was electric." And then insert about there wording like this:
The team only learned indirectly over time how successful this plea was: "All that we did notice was that almost from that day the rough ways began miraculously to be made smooth." (P. S. Milner-Barry, ‘‘‘Action This Day’’: The Letter from Bletchley Park Cryptanalysts to the Prime Minister, 21 October 1941’ quoted in www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~aar/turingletter.pdf) - 71.174.175.150 ( talk) 23:44, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
The article says:
This seems anachronistic. The "exposure" of Burgess and Maclean was not until 1956, after Turing died. Until their press conference in Moscow, they were officially "missing diplomats" and it was only speculative that they had defected to the USSR. Burgess was homosexual, but Maclean wasn't. I don't know whether Burgess's homosexuality was well-known at that time.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 17:02, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
If you have read the original Turing article, the essence of the game is imitation, or includes it as a major component. I think the current description adds to the moras of misunderstanding of people who have read the title of the paper but not the paper itself. I'd edit, btu the page appears locked. whoever updates this page should read the original paper, and I would then suggest that they would see the need to include imitatation, which along with Turing, it think is an essential part of intelligence. 146.186.238.35 ( talk) 21:08, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
part of the article notes important friendship, figure caption notes lover. perhaps should be consistent, perhaps left ambiguous 146.186.238.35 ( talk) 21:11, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
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Under the section, "Portrayal in adaptations," please add information about an opera in development about Alan Turing's life. I suggest adding the following text:
In 2012, in honor of the Turing Centennial, American Lyric Theater commissioned an operatic exploration of the life and death of Alan Turing from composer Justine F. Chen and librettist David Simpatico. [1] Titled The Life and Death(s) of Alan Turing, the opera is a historical fantasia on the life of the brilliant scientist. The opera will receive a concert performance in October 2015 in NYC. In November 2014, the opera and several other artistic works inspired by Turing's life were featured on Studio 360. [2]
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Under the section "Hut 8 and Naval Enigma" there is a quote, but it is not marked as a quote in any way and is therefore difficult to read due to the sudden context change. This should be modified so that it is clear what text is quoted.
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Middle Name is actually Matheson Not Mathison Jjpaula ( talk) 20:08, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
The 'known for' section should definitely give mention of his contribution to computational biology. TheGrandmother ( talk) 09:47, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
I recall one of his religious views being of which after his best friend's death he became an atheist but simultaneously kept the belief that consciousness can survive after death - this snippet was also cited and linked to a credible source. So why was it removed?
Here's an old screencapture of the paragraph I'm pertaining to:
He became an atheist and adopted the conviction that all phenomena, including the workings of the human brain, must be materialistic,[21] but he still believed in the survival of the spirit after death.[22][/i]
Citation: The Inspiration of Life and Death, 1928–1932 Alan Turing Scrapbook
http://web.archive.org/web/20130424185723/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#cite_note-22
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Some people do not know what this acronym stands for so you should apell it out, parenthetically, here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.77.111.16 ( talk) 23:10, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
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There is a citation needed behind The Faculty of Informatics and Information Technologies Slovak University of Technology in Bratislava, Slovakia has a lecture room named "Turing Auditorium" line. Here below is a link from official university webpage confirming the name. http://is.stuba.sk/mistnosti/?zobrazit_mistnost=2472;areal=2;budova=172;klic=2472;mistnostpodrobne=1;lang=en 87.197.160.239 ( talk) 12:11, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Added Thank you. Joseph2302 ( talk) 12:18, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
"Turing ... with his friend David Champernowne ... invented "round-the-house" chess: after you move, run around the house, if you get back before your opponent's move you are entitled to a new move."
"He was also a long-distance runner, and while working at Bletchley Park occasionally ran the 64Km to London when he was needed for high-level meetings."
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106.39.113.200 ( talk) 09:45, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Seems this was discussed a while ago: [11]? Martinevans123 ( talk) 14:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
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How likely is it that a person would die from eating the seeds of only one apple? Is there even one single documented case of this on record in all of recorded history? Starhistory22 ( talk) 17:20, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
User:Equilibrium103 has removed cited information from the article with the edit summary "Citation behind paywall, cites no apparent primary sources, and contradicted by letters to Morcom's mother" I've reverted once asking them to take this to talk but have been re-reverted. I'll try again and hopefully this time they will discuss before reverting. Richerman (talk) 09:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
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The use of the term "philosopher" does not seem to be justified by the content of the article. He certainly never described himself as a philosopher: [13]. And note also this change at the turing.org website. Martinevans123 ( talk) 07:33, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
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Re [14]. Was Turing aware of Church's work or not? If so – which is claimed to be very easily shown, as he cites it himself, can we source that properly. Otherwise Hodges' book says he wasn't, and so far that's the only source here. Andy Dingley ( talk) 11:03, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
I heard on the radio this morning about a new biography of Turing, Prof: Alan Turing Decoded written by his nephew Dermot Turing. Dermot is the son of Alan's older brother. Dermot was talking about his uncle on this BBC Radio 4 programme:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06grwnc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.124.57 ( talk) 18:08, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
In the article there is a quote from the book "Alan Turing: His work and Impact": Turing is widely considered to be the father of theoretical computer science and artificial intelligence.[5]
While I totally agree with the first part of the sentence, I find odd that someone can be the father of something that has not been invented to this day. For sure Turing was a pioneer, an important theorist of Artificial Intelligence by writing down some of the fundamentals for researching it and inspiring scientists around the world.
But "father" sounds a bit a overstatement. It can be misleading into believing that A.I. has already been accomplished. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.50.121.64 ( talk) 10:43, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree it is an overstatement. Turing is known for the Turing machine, and the Turing test in AI - but turing machines are mostly conceived as symbol machines that take discrete steps, while most of current AI work seems to revolve around deep thinking and neural networks - which seems to be a different paradigm. It's better to under describe on labels and titles, and instead in detail describe actual accomplishments and work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.196.158.130 ( talk) 17:37, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
The article uses "blue plaque" repeatedly but there's no link and it's not a common term. There is an article on blue plaque. Avocats ( talk) 23:13, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't someone make the Term "Entscheidungsproblem" link to the wikipedia page for it? I understand that the term is somewhat archaic but also a large part of Turing's beginnings on the professional level. 71.1.111.157 ( talk) 11:23, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
"In 1935, at the age of 22, he was elected a fellow of King's on the strength of a dissertation in which he proved the central limit theorem,[32] despite the fact that the committee had failed to identify that it had already been proven, in 1922, by Jarl Waldemar Lindeberg.[33]"
This should read "in which he proved the central limit theorem, [because] the committee had failed to identify that it had already been proven.." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.196.158.130 ( talk) 17:20, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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In the "Recognition and tributes" > "Tributes by universities and research institutions", please change: "The École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne has a road and a square named after Alan Turing (Chemin de Alan Turing and Place de Alan Turing)" to: "The École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne has a road and a square named after Alan Turing (Chemin Alan Turing and Place Alan Turing)"
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Please also change the link at ref 157 to: " https://plan.epfl.ch/?map_x=532751&map_y=152334&map_zoom=11"
thanks - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredjunod ( talk • contribs) 14:46, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Lindeberg's proof of the CLT was well-known by the time Turing rediscovered it. He was permitted to submit his original proof in spite of this; the arbiters of the King's fellowship certainly would have been well aware. This passage: "Unknown to the committee, the theorem had already been proven, in 1922, by Jarl Waldemar Lindeberg" is inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.122.101 ( talk) 10:14, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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At the time of Turing's trial (1952), Burgess and Maclean were known as the "missing diplomats". There was no official acknowledgement that they were spies until they reappeared in Moscow in 1956. Burgess was gay, but I don't think this was commonly known in the early 1950s. And there was no suggestion of entrapment. John Vassall was apparently blackmailed into spying, but he was caught in 1962. The text seems to be anachronistic and to be irrelevant to Turing.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 03:27, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
After my first inclusion was removed, I added this one, which sounds better--less like idle speculation. Marvin Marmalade ( talk) 00:28, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
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In the "Pattern formation and mathematical biology" section, in the first sentence, change "Jamuary" to January. Michaeleason ( talk) 05:29, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Another editor had removed the resting place, I have reinstated it and added a citation based on The Guardian News Report, the location is also noted in many other reports I believe, citation used is https://www.theguardian.com/science/the-northerner/2014/oct/07/the-imitation-game-how-benedict-cumberbatch-brought-turing-to-life
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IEKYF ROMSI ADXUO KVKZC GUBJ
FOUND EROFC OMPUT ERSCI ENCE
The cast bronze bench carries in relief the text 'Alan Mathison Turing 1912–1954', and the motto 'Founder of Computer Science' as it could appear if encoded by an Enigma machine: 'IEKYF ROMSI ADXUO KVKZC GUBJ'
Is not possible as the u in computer is a u in the code and the article previously states
The bombe detected when a contradiction had occurred and ruled out that setting, moving on to the next. Most of the possible settings would cause contradictions and be discarded, leaving only a few to be investigated in detail. A contradiction would occur when an enciphered letter would be turned back into the same plaintext letter – this simply wasn't possible with the Enigma. steve bradshaw Stevebradshaw ( talk) 15:11, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
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Someone just changed all the British spellings and date formats to American ones. But this is a British subject. These changes should be reverted. 2600:1001:B02D:9EE8:4DD:9404:48F7:2A96 ( talk) 13:03, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
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“It didn’t take long before Samuel had a program that played a respectable game of checkers, capable of easily defeating novice players. It was first publicly demonstrated on television on February 24, 1956. Thomas Watson, President of IBM, arranged for the program to be exhibited to shareholders. He predicted that it would result in a fifteen-point rise in the price of IBM stock. It did.” [1]
(This gives an exact release date to the public on his program) 162.89.0.47 ( talk) 22:19, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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Addition under "Alternative death theories" I believe this is relevant:
Author Roger Bristow, who is a founder member of the Bletchley Park trust, and spent almost 30 years researching Turing's life and work [2], did in 2014, while researching for a new book; "Boffins, Bombs, Boats and Balloons", according to several online news media [2] [3] [4] [5], unearth Turing's post mortem report, and found that although the report officially concluded that he died from cyanide poisoning, the final sentence that the pathologist who examined Turing’s body wrote in his report was “Death appears to to be due to violence”. Several media quote Bristow for saying: "If you look at his autopsy report it's quite clear that although there was cyanide in his body the doctor quite clearly states his death was caused by extreme violence." Several of Turing's co-workers at Bleachley, whome Bristow had talked to, said Turing had not appeared suicidal or depressed, and the neighbors even reported that he had seemed cheerful.
Bristow theorized that Turing might have been murdered by the FBI, for having gained information that could embarras or damage american top officials. Turing, he said, had prior to his death been working on a secret operation "Verona" which dealt with the deciphering of wartime radio signals for the identification of Russian agents sent as spies in the United States, of which several were able to penetrate prominent positions in the government including one who became a personal assistant to then US President Franklin Roosevelt. - To support his claim bristow pointed out the hasty "disposal" (Turing died on a Tuesday morning and his remains were buried by Wednesday afternoon) didn't leave enough time to conduct a through investigation. [4]
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I see nothing in the article about Turing being autistic. An editor has just added a WikiProject Autism tag, and the article is already included in three autism related categories. I submit that unless something well sourced on this is added to the article, those categorisations and the project link are inappropriate. HiLo48 ( talk) 22:06, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I removed the autism project tag and was reverted. So I have asked a question about this at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard to find out if the biographies of people can be put in the autism project when there's no evidence in his biography that he was autistic. Thanks, Parabolooidal ( talk) 21:19, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
Just curious Trovatore, though I think I know the answer. Would you feel differently if this was a living individual? Thanks, -- Malerooster ( talk) 02:22, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Muffinator, you suggest we take it up with the project members, on the project page. Well perhaps you should look at section 4.2 of WP:OWN. In this case the founder and main contributor of wikiproject autism seems to be yourself, so we would just be moving this conversation there. Placing a tag on a talkpage, with no explanation of why that tag is there seems very strange to me, and a bit of flaky speculation by a couple of scholars is not enough IMO. Martin451 17:37, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I think it's worth noting here that Muffinator has now been indefinitely topic banned from all articles and talk pages related to Autism. HiLo48 ( talk) 22:07, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
This isn't the most important issue ever, but might as well have it out. I reverted a recent new editor's BrE -> AmE changes, on WP:ENGVAR grounds, but I let the change from burgle to burglarize remain.
Is that correct? I know that burgle is more used in the UK than in the US, but it still strikes me as a bit informal for an encyclopedia. Really I always thought it was sort of a joke, a play on words.
“ | When the enterprising burglar's not a-burgling (not a-burgling) When the cutthroat isn't occupied in crime (-pied in crime) He loves to hear the little brook a-gurgling (brook a gurgling) And the pealing of the little village chime |
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On the other hand, burglarize is qualified as "chiefly North American" in Wiktionary. Is there burglarise instead? Or is there some more formal word, that doesn't have this jocular quality I hear in burgle? -- Trovatore ( talk) 22:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
According to this well-referenced site - http://www.turing.org.uk/scrapbook/run.html - Alan achieved very high standards in cross country and distance running and I think the inclusion of a section about this would increase the understanding of the man. He said running was very important for him to de-stress from his work and without the release and energy vigorous exercise gave him he may not have been such a successful computer scientist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.162.153 ( talk) 21:04, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
As we all know Turing is a lot of things and he is also being described by numerous publications as a "war hero" as he arguably saved millions of lives by breaking the Enigma code. I'm not confident to put it in the lead paragraph and I just want to know your stands regarding the matter first so here I am. Thoughts? AlanTuringFan ( talk) 08:04, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
I just corrected a sentence that stated that Turing was not aware of churches work. Turing states in his paper [1] that he is aware of Church's work. I quote the paragraph (the last one in the introduction) here:
"In a recent paper Alonzo Church has introduced an idea of "effective calculability", which is equivalent to my "computability", but is very differently defined. Church also reaches similar conclusions about the EntscheidungsproblemJ. The proof of equivalence between "computability" and "effective calculability" is outlined in an appendix to the present paper."
″At the moment, ignoring the standard birth and death dates, there is a large inconsistency with the accuracy of dates used in the lead. Historical dates are given correct to the year (1948, 1952, 1954), yet modern dates are given correct to the day (10 September 2009, 24 December 2013). This is a good example of recentism: the exact dates arose from when editors added the information to the article as the news 'broke' [5] [6], whilst it would be unusual to do the same if we were writing the article in ten years' time. Waldhorn has reinstated the inconsistency twice [7] [8]. Instead of reverting, I would like to ask for a second opinion from others. I am struggling to see any benefit with the current layout. 131.111.185.66 ( talk) 18:51, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Update. I have not received any kind of reply from Waldhorn. I have been bold and made the changes because they clearly represent an improvement to the article: we should not have to wait for a reply that might never come. 131.111.185.66 ( talk) 16:56, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
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change "organisation" to "organization". This is located in the Cryptanalysis section, 1st sentence of the 2nd paragraph: "From September 1938, Turing had been working part-time with the GC&CS, the British code breaking organisation." 24.29.53.92 ( talk) 05:09, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I give notice I have deleted the picture, that appears in the section University work, of his statue in Sackville Gardens, Manchester, on the grounds that it is repeated in the section under Tributes, which describes the erection of the Turing memorial. Cloptonson ( talk) 13:45, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
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In the section titled "Tributes by universities," I would like to add turingscraft.com, a website created by Brooklyn College Computer Science professors to help students solve C++ problems. Kaneone ( talk) 08:16, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
What is the actual source for the statement in the lead "Winston Churchill said that Turing made the single biggest contribution to Allied victory in the war against Nazi Germany.[7]" The source given is this BBC News profile. And I see the same claim repeated in various places on the web and in recent books. But what is the actual, direct source to something Churchill said and when and where he said it? None of these places that repeat the statement give the actual details behind it.
I'm asking because it doesn't seem likely that Churchill would have said something like this. I don't see it anywhere in the Hodges biography. Churchill only met Turing once, during a summer 1941 visit to Bletchley Park (Hodges p. 205), and then there is the letter that autumn that Turing and three others wrote to Churchill asking for more administrative resources (Hodges pp. 219-221). Other than that, what contact did they ever have? Now, Churchill may well have thought Ultra made the single largest contribution to winning the war. But why would he had singled out Turing's role, as distinct from the many others working on it? Would he even have remembered who Turing was? And to whom would he have made such a remark? And when was it published? It certainly wasn't published by Churchill during his lifetime, since Ultra was still fully under wraps.
I will be happy to be proven wrong, but I have the feeling that this is one of those cases where one book or news piece makes a mistake somehow and then it just gets picked up and repeated over and over. Wasted Time R ( talk) 22:50, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
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This is misleading. The team did not receive a copy of this Churchill action, and only learned indirectly of the success of their letter to him.
If the article was not locked down and I had the power, I would take out "The effect was electric." And then insert about there wording like this:
The team only learned indirectly over time how successful this plea was: "All that we did notice was that almost from that day the rough ways began miraculously to be made smooth." (P. S. Milner-Barry, ‘‘‘Action This Day’’: The Letter from Bletchley Park Cryptanalysts to the Prime Minister, 21 October 1941’ quoted in www.maths.ed.ac.uk/~aar/turingletter.pdf) - 71.174.175.150 ( talk) 23:44, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
The article says:
This seems anachronistic. The "exposure" of Burgess and Maclean was not until 1956, after Turing died. Until their press conference in Moscow, they were officially "missing diplomats" and it was only speculative that they had defected to the USSR. Burgess was homosexual, but Maclean wasn't. I don't know whether Burgess's homosexuality was well-known at that time.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 17:02, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
If you have read the original Turing article, the essence of the game is imitation, or includes it as a major component. I think the current description adds to the moras of misunderstanding of people who have read the title of the paper but not the paper itself. I'd edit, btu the page appears locked. whoever updates this page should read the original paper, and I would then suggest that they would see the need to include imitatation, which along with Turing, it think is an essential part of intelligence. 146.186.238.35 ( talk) 21:08, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
part of the article notes important friendship, figure caption notes lover. perhaps should be consistent, perhaps left ambiguous 146.186.238.35 ( talk) 21:11, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
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Under the section, "Portrayal in adaptations," please add information about an opera in development about Alan Turing's life. I suggest adding the following text:
In 2012, in honor of the Turing Centennial, American Lyric Theater commissioned an operatic exploration of the life and death of Alan Turing from composer Justine F. Chen and librettist David Simpatico. [1] Titled The Life and Death(s) of Alan Turing, the opera is a historical fantasia on the life of the brilliant scientist. The opera will receive a concert performance in October 2015 in NYC. In November 2014, the opera and several other artistic works inspired by Turing's life were featured on Studio 360. [2]
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Under the section "Hut 8 and Naval Enigma" there is a quote, but it is not marked as a quote in any way and is therefore difficult to read due to the sudden context change. This should be modified so that it is clear what text is quoted.
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Middle Name is actually Matheson Not Mathison Jjpaula ( talk) 20:08, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
The 'known for' section should definitely give mention of his contribution to computational biology. TheGrandmother ( talk) 09:47, 3 February 2015 (UTC)
I recall one of his religious views being of which after his best friend's death he became an atheist but simultaneously kept the belief that consciousness can survive after death - this snippet was also cited and linked to a credible source. So why was it removed?
Here's an old screencapture of the paragraph I'm pertaining to:
He became an atheist and adopted the conviction that all phenomena, including the workings of the human brain, must be materialistic,[21] but he still believed in the survival of the spirit after death.[22][/i]
Citation: The Inspiration of Life and Death, 1928–1932 Alan Turing Scrapbook
http://web.archive.org/web/20130424185723/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#cite_note-22
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Some people do not know what this acronym stands for so you should apell it out, parenthetically, here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.77.111.16 ( talk) 23:10, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
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There is a citation needed behind The Faculty of Informatics and Information Technologies Slovak University of Technology in Bratislava, Slovakia has a lecture room named "Turing Auditorium" line. Here below is a link from official university webpage confirming the name. http://is.stuba.sk/mistnosti/?zobrazit_mistnost=2472;areal=2;budova=172;klic=2472;mistnostpodrobne=1;lang=en 87.197.160.239 ( talk) 12:11, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Added Thank you. Joseph2302 ( talk) 12:18, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
"Turing ... with his friend David Champernowne ... invented "round-the-house" chess: after you move, run around the house, if you get back before your opponent's move you are entitled to a new move."
"He was also a long-distance runner, and while working at Bletchley Park occasionally ran the 64Km to London when he was needed for high-level meetings."
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106.39.113.200 ( talk) 09:45, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Seems this was discussed a while ago: [11]? Martinevans123 ( talk) 14:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
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How likely is it that a person would die from eating the seeds of only one apple? Is there even one single documented case of this on record in all of recorded history? Starhistory22 ( talk) 17:20, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
User:Equilibrium103 has removed cited information from the article with the edit summary "Citation behind paywall, cites no apparent primary sources, and contradicted by letters to Morcom's mother" I've reverted once asking them to take this to talk but have been re-reverted. I'll try again and hopefully this time they will discuss before reverting. Richerman (talk) 09:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
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The use of the term "philosopher" does not seem to be justified by the content of the article. He certainly never described himself as a philosopher: [13]. And note also this change at the turing.org website. Martinevans123 ( talk) 07:33, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
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Re [14]. Was Turing aware of Church's work or not? If so – which is claimed to be very easily shown, as he cites it himself, can we source that properly. Otherwise Hodges' book says he wasn't, and so far that's the only source here. Andy Dingley ( talk) 11:03, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
I heard on the radio this morning about a new biography of Turing, Prof: Alan Turing Decoded written by his nephew Dermot Turing. Dermot is the son of Alan's older brother. Dermot was talking about his uncle on this BBC Radio 4 programme:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06grwnc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.164.124.57 ( talk) 18:08, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
In the article there is a quote from the book "Alan Turing: His work and Impact": Turing is widely considered to be the father of theoretical computer science and artificial intelligence.[5]
While I totally agree with the first part of the sentence, I find odd that someone can be the father of something that has not been invented to this day. For sure Turing was a pioneer, an important theorist of Artificial Intelligence by writing down some of the fundamentals for researching it and inspiring scientists around the world.
But "father" sounds a bit a overstatement. It can be misleading into believing that A.I. has already been accomplished. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.50.121.64 ( talk) 10:43, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
I agree it is an overstatement. Turing is known for the Turing machine, and the Turing test in AI - but turing machines are mostly conceived as symbol machines that take discrete steps, while most of current AI work seems to revolve around deep thinking and neural networks - which seems to be a different paradigm. It's better to under describe on labels and titles, and instead in detail describe actual accomplishments and work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.196.158.130 ( talk) 17:37, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
The article uses "blue plaque" repeatedly but there's no link and it's not a common term. There is an article on blue plaque. Avocats ( talk) 23:13, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Shouldn't someone make the Term "Entscheidungsproblem" link to the wikipedia page for it? I understand that the term is somewhat archaic but also a large part of Turing's beginnings on the professional level. 71.1.111.157 ( talk) 11:23, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
"In 1935, at the age of 22, he was elected a fellow of King's on the strength of a dissertation in which he proved the central limit theorem,[32] despite the fact that the committee had failed to identify that it had already been proven, in 1922, by Jarl Waldemar Lindeberg.[33]"
This should read "in which he proved the central limit theorem, [because] the committee had failed to identify that it had already been proven.." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.196.158.130 ( talk) 17:20, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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In the "Recognition and tributes" > "Tributes by universities and research institutions", please change: "The École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne has a road and a square named after Alan Turing (Chemin de Alan Turing and Place de Alan Turing)" to: "The École Polytechnique Fédérale de Lausanne has a road and a square named after Alan Turing (Chemin Alan Turing and Place Alan Turing)"
(remove the 'de' after Chemin and Place)
Please also change the link at ref 157 to: " https://plan.epfl.ch/?map_x=532751&map_y=152334&map_zoom=11"
thanks - — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fredjunod ( talk • contribs) 14:46, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Lindeberg's proof of the CLT was well-known by the time Turing rediscovered it. He was permitted to submit his original proof in spite of this; the arbiters of the King's fellowship certainly would have been well aware. This passage: "Unknown to the committee, the theorem had already been proven, in 1922, by Jarl Waldemar Lindeberg" is inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.167.122.101 ( talk) 10:14, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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At the time of Turing's trial (1952), Burgess and Maclean were known as the "missing diplomats". There was no official acknowledgement that they were spies until they reappeared in Moscow in 1956. Burgess was gay, but I don't think this was commonly known in the early 1950s. And there was no suggestion of entrapment. John Vassall was apparently blackmailed into spying, but he was caught in 1962. The text seems to be anachronistic and to be irrelevant to Turing.-- Jack Upland ( talk) 03:27, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
After my first inclusion was removed, I added this one, which sounds better--less like idle speculation. Marvin Marmalade ( talk) 00:28, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
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In the "Pattern formation and mathematical biology" section, in the first sentence, change "Jamuary" to January. Michaeleason ( talk) 05:29, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
Another editor had removed the resting place, I have reinstated it and added a citation based on The Guardian News Report, the location is also noted in many other reports I believe, citation used is https://www.theguardian.com/science/the-northerner/2014/oct/07/the-imitation-game-how-benedict-cumberbatch-brought-turing-to-life
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IEKYF ROMSI ADXUO KVKZC GUBJ
FOUND EROFC OMPUT ERSCI ENCE
The cast bronze bench carries in relief the text 'Alan Mathison Turing 1912–1954', and the motto 'Founder of Computer Science' as it could appear if encoded by an Enigma machine: 'IEKYF ROMSI ADXUO KVKZC GUBJ'
Is not possible as the u in computer is a u in the code and the article previously states
The bombe detected when a contradiction had occurred and ruled out that setting, moving on to the next. Most of the possible settings would cause contradictions and be discarded, leaving only a few to be investigated in detail. A contradiction would occur when an enciphered letter would be turned back into the same plaintext letter – this simply wasn't possible with the Enigma. steve bradshaw Stevebradshaw ( talk) 15:11, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
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Someone just changed all the British spellings and date formats to American ones. But this is a British subject. These changes should be reverted. 2600:1001:B02D:9EE8:4DD:9404:48F7:2A96 ( talk) 13:03, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
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“It didn’t take long before Samuel had a program that played a respectable game of checkers, capable of easily defeating novice players. It was first publicly demonstrated on television on February 24, 1956. Thomas Watson, President of IBM, arranged for the program to be exhibited to shareholders. He predicted that it would result in a fifteen-point rise in the price of IBM stock. It did.” [1]
(This gives an exact release date to the public on his program) 162.89.0.47 ( talk) 22:19, 28 July 2017 (UTC)
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Addition under "Alternative death theories" I believe this is relevant:
Author Roger Bristow, who is a founder member of the Bletchley Park trust, and spent almost 30 years researching Turing's life and work [2], did in 2014, while researching for a new book; "Boffins, Bombs, Boats and Balloons", according to several online news media [2] [3] [4] [5], unearth Turing's post mortem report, and found that although the report officially concluded that he died from cyanide poisoning, the final sentence that the pathologist who examined Turing’s body wrote in his report was “Death appears to to be due to violence”. Several media quote Bristow for saying: "If you look at his autopsy report it's quite clear that although there was cyanide in his body the doctor quite clearly states his death was caused by extreme violence." Several of Turing's co-workers at Bleachley, whome Bristow had talked to, said Turing had not appeared suicidal or depressed, and the neighbors even reported that he had seemed cheerful.
Bristow theorized that Turing might have been murdered by the FBI, for having gained information that could embarras or damage american top officials. Turing, he said, had prior to his death been working on a secret operation "Verona" which dealt with the deciphering of wartime radio signals for the identification of Russian agents sent as spies in the United States, of which several were able to penetrate prominent positions in the government including one who became a personal assistant to then US President Franklin Roosevelt. - To support his claim bristow pointed out the hasty "disposal" (Turing died on a Tuesday morning and his remains were buried by Wednesday afternoon) didn't leave enough time to conduct a through investigation. [4]
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