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1 survivor reported by AFP, rumours on Pprune of a 2nd, but unconfirmed as yet. Mjroots ( talk) 08:55, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I've removed 5A-ONG as the reg of the a/c involved. Aviation Safety Network is reporting it as an A330-202, 5A-ONG is an A330-243. We should wait for confirmation before adding this info. Mjroots ( talk) 08:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
5A-ONG confirmed now which btw is an A330-202, see: http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Airbus/A330/1024,5A-ONG-Afriqiyah-Airways.php - not sure how to add that properly to the article 85.179.69.122 ( talk) 10:35, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
How many Dutch on board, 62 or 64? The Telegraaf states that two holiday companies had tourist on board. - De touropetarors Kras en Stip reizen melden echter dat zij respectievelijk 26 en 38 mensen aan boord hadden. De Nederlandse toeristen kwamen uit Zuid-Afrika en zouden in Tripoli overstappen op vluchten richting Brussel en Düsseldorf. The lede states 62, but 26 + 38 = 64, although it doesn't categorically state that they were all Dutch nationals. Can anyone provide further info? Mjroots ( talk) 11:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm not 100% sure, but Beeld (Afrikaans) is saying "minstens nege". Now, minstens negen in Dutch is "at least nine". Can anyone confirm. Anchen Dreyer (or is it her brother???) is mentioned by Beeld, seems we have a Wikinotable person involved. Mjroots ( talk) 16:47, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Anton Matthee an active member of the South African 4x4 community (including Tracks4Africa) was a South African amongst those who died. Ref 1. Ref 2 (with additional names) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firefishy ( talk • contribs) 08:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
For the benefit of contributors to this article, the South African casualties are reported as follows by Beeld newspaper, May 14, 2010. [1] JMK ( talk) 10:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
1 Belgian also on board according to Belgian newspaper HLN. source -- 145.53.28.75 ( talk) 20:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
The BBC report at least one Finn aboard. Why is this deemed not reliable enough to appear in the table. The airline's list isn't definitive. Mjroots ( talk) 15:30, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Judging by press photos on which a small mosque is visible, the crash happened somewhere near 32°39′34″N 13°07′04″E / 32.65944°N 13.11778°E. GdB ( talk) 13:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
By the way, my estimation was based on this picture: http://www.corriere.it/gallery/esteri/05-2010/libia/1/tripoli-esplode-aereo_133eabd8-5da5-11df-8e28-00144f02aabe.shtml#7 The GE coordinates of the minaret are 32°39′38″N 13°07′09″E / 32.660579°N 13.119173°E. The bush is probably at 32°39′37″N 13°07′08″E / 32.660286°N 13.118835°E. GdB ( talk) 12:56, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I know this isn't the best place for this discussion but this will get far more traffic than the infobox talk page. Do we really want a category for "sole survivor"? It appears that this was added to the template today for when survivors = 1. The Rambling Man ( talk) 13:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
One of the rescuers informed me about the condition the boy was found. This condition hasn't been released to the press, since the rescue worker isn't allowed to talk to the press. He and another rescuer can confirm the condition the boy was found.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdb10usa ( talk • contribs) 15:12, 12 May 2010
can someone add info on the scheduled flight, what it was supposed to do, were there no accident? 70.29.208.247 ( talk) 22:55, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Ruben was the survivor. I've created a redirect from that title, but I'm not convinced that an article should be created per WP:BLP1E - bearing in mind that we would also be dealing with a BLP of a minor. However, I'm open to others views on this. If there is consensus that he should have an article then one can be created. Mjroots ( talk) 05:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I realise the article is, as of now, about a current event, but I think it would be easier if we wrote everything in past tense. WackyWace talk 12:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Another Ip 195.240.16.66 is adding (twice) that the kid was starkers. Coming from the Netherlands(?), may be blocked user:Mdb10us (mentioned above) again. -- 220.101.28.25 ( talk) 13:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
According to Airbus, this is 1600, not 2600. http://www.airbus.com/crisis/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.53.195.38 ( talk) 15:51, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Someone who knows Arabic needs to start an article on Afriqiyah Airways Flight 771 ASAP. WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
In the article the METAR is already reported, giving meteo conditions on the airdrome. Note that NSC in Metar means "no significant cloud" and VRB01KT gives (if I understand correctly) wind speed = 1 knot. It could be useful to add some decoded information in the article. Truman ( talk) 14:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
The 'nationalities' box needs to be refined a bit more...it lists the nationality of one victim as 'Welsh'. However Wales is not a sovereign country and does as such not issue own passports. The victim ought to be counted among the British. ViennaUK ( talk) 20:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
I disagree with the banner at the top of this talk page. I've been contributing in British English. If any banner is to be used, it is the {{ British English}} one. 05:21, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
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WhisperToMe ( talk) 13:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
And do we want to really check the article against a checklist like [[[edit]List of South African English regionalisms|this]]? Engvar argument is tenuous at best and in practical terms, adopting SA Eng because that's where the aircraft originated will result in endless petty arguments over dialect. I propose this banner is removed once again as we appear to have a consensus against it. The Rambling Man ( talk) 09:22, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
The Afriqiyah bulletin 6 of May 12 is in conflict with the (later) official statement of the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs that 70 people of Dutch nationality are killed. And is also in conflict with other given references in the table, e.g. the Belgian news paper Le Soir says (on May 15) that the Belgian Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirms that two Belgians have died in the crash. So the Afriqiyah bulletin 6 seems to be outdated. -- Crowsnest ( talk) 12:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Is this man the victim listed as 'Zimbabwean'? Surely there should be a footnote explaining his dual-nationality? 90.194.244.28 ( talk) 13:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
This talks about the plane missing someone's house. Would this be a good article to source anything? (I don't know Dutch!) WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:54, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
WhisperToMe ( talk) 12:53, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
http://content1a.omroep.nl/3718da8da151e56c13147b77fa9c2d95/51775ee0/nos/docs/280213_onderzoeksrapport_afriqiyah.pdf - http://www.webcitation.org/6G6weiVD3 - alternate final report links- WhisperToMe ( talk) 04:41, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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"Spatial disorientation (somatogravic perceptual illusion) during go-around" i cannot find any explanation in the accident report about "spatial disorientation". I think it's an incorrect conclusion and this should be removed. Regards Saschaporsche ( talk) 02:50, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
'3.2 Probable Cause
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a good explanation of somatogravic perceptual illusions is at http://aviationknowledge.wikidot.com/aviation:somatogravic-illusion
cheers Woodywoodpeckerthe3rd ( talk) 04:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Seems odd that all three crew members, including the non-flying pilot, had exactly 516 hours on the Airbus 330 but very varied total hours. Cross Reference ( talk) 14:04, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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(Note, I'm from the US and I speak American English) So I saw that there were intially 2 survivors: Ruben Van assouw and another person (who's details are not mentioned). Any information on that initial second survivor? Tigerdude9 ( talk) 19:42, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
A lot of information in this article is still looking like it's part of a current event. I myself have done edits to help make it look less like that, but still, a lot of info still feels like it was just written recently. Post any other comments and questions below. Thank you. Tigerdude9 ( talk) 15:16, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Appendix 8 of the crash report has photos of the side-stick with the Captains priority button not fully serviceable despite the aircraft only being 9 months old. I propose that one is uploaded under wiki fair use policy. A5afety ( talk) 04:32, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
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1 survivor reported by AFP, rumours on Pprune of a 2nd, but unconfirmed as yet. Mjroots ( talk) 08:55, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I've removed 5A-ONG as the reg of the a/c involved. Aviation Safety Network is reporting it as an A330-202, 5A-ONG is an A330-243. We should wait for confirmation before adding this info. Mjroots ( talk) 08:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
5A-ONG confirmed now which btw is an A330-202, see: http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Airbus/A330/1024,5A-ONG-Afriqiyah-Airways.php - not sure how to add that properly to the article 85.179.69.122 ( talk) 10:35, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
How many Dutch on board, 62 or 64? The Telegraaf states that two holiday companies had tourist on board. - De touropetarors Kras en Stip reizen melden echter dat zij respectievelijk 26 en 38 mensen aan boord hadden. De Nederlandse toeristen kwamen uit Zuid-Afrika en zouden in Tripoli overstappen op vluchten richting Brussel en Düsseldorf. The lede states 62, but 26 + 38 = 64, although it doesn't categorically state that they were all Dutch nationals. Can anyone provide further info? Mjroots ( talk) 11:57, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm not 100% sure, but Beeld (Afrikaans) is saying "minstens nege". Now, minstens negen in Dutch is "at least nine". Can anyone confirm. Anchen Dreyer (or is it her brother???) is mentioned by Beeld, seems we have a Wikinotable person involved. Mjroots ( talk) 16:47, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Anton Matthee an active member of the South African 4x4 community (including Tracks4Africa) was a South African amongst those who died. Ref 1. Ref 2 (with additional names) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Firefishy ( talk • contribs) 08:50, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
For the benefit of contributors to this article, the South African casualties are reported as follows by Beeld newspaper, May 14, 2010. [1] JMK ( talk) 10:42, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
1 Belgian also on board according to Belgian newspaper HLN. source -- 145.53.28.75 ( talk) 20:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
The BBC report at least one Finn aboard. Why is this deemed not reliable enough to appear in the table. The airline's list isn't definitive. Mjroots ( talk) 15:30, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Judging by press photos on which a small mosque is visible, the crash happened somewhere near 32°39′34″N 13°07′04″E / 32.65944°N 13.11778°E. GdB ( talk) 13:00, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
By the way, my estimation was based on this picture: http://www.corriere.it/gallery/esteri/05-2010/libia/1/tripoli-esplode-aereo_133eabd8-5da5-11df-8e28-00144f02aabe.shtml#7 The GE coordinates of the minaret are 32°39′38″N 13°07′09″E / 32.660579°N 13.119173°E. The bush is probably at 32°39′37″N 13°07′08″E / 32.660286°N 13.118835°E. GdB ( talk) 12:56, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I know this isn't the best place for this discussion but this will get far more traffic than the infobox talk page. Do we really want a category for "sole survivor"? It appears that this was added to the template today for when survivors = 1. The Rambling Man ( talk) 13:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
One of the rescuers informed me about the condition the boy was found. This condition hasn't been released to the press, since the rescue worker isn't allowed to talk to the press. He and another rescuer can confirm the condition the boy was found.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Mdb10usa ( talk • contribs) 15:12, 12 May 2010
can someone add info on the scheduled flight, what it was supposed to do, were there no accident? 70.29.208.247 ( talk) 22:55, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
Ruben was the survivor. I've created a redirect from that title, but I'm not convinced that an article should be created per WP:BLP1E - bearing in mind that we would also be dealing with a BLP of a minor. However, I'm open to others views on this. If there is consensus that he should have an article then one can be created. Mjroots ( talk) 05:43, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
I realise the article is, as of now, about a current event, but I think it would be easier if we wrote everything in past tense. WackyWace talk 12:59, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Another Ip 195.240.16.66 is adding (twice) that the kid was starkers. Coming from the Netherlands(?), may be blocked user:Mdb10us (mentioned above) again. -- 220.101.28.25 ( talk) 13:03, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
According to Airbus, this is 1600, not 2600. http://www.airbus.com/crisis/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.53.195.38 ( talk) 15:51, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
Someone who knows Arabic needs to start an article on Afriqiyah Airways Flight 771 ASAP. WhisperToMe ( talk) 17:15, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
In the article the METAR is already reported, giving meteo conditions on the airdrome. Note that NSC in Metar means "no significant cloud" and VRB01KT gives (if I understand correctly) wind speed = 1 knot. It could be useful to add some decoded information in the article. Truman ( talk) 14:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
The 'nationalities' box needs to be refined a bit more...it lists the nationality of one victim as 'Welsh'. However Wales is not a sovereign country and does as such not issue own passports. The victim ought to be counted among the British. ViennaUK ( talk) 20:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
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WhisperToMe ( talk) 13:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
And do we want to really check the article against a checklist like [[[edit]List of South African English regionalisms|this]]? Engvar argument is tenuous at best and in practical terms, adopting SA Eng because that's where the aircraft originated will result in endless petty arguments over dialect. I propose this banner is removed once again as we appear to have a consensus against it. The Rambling Man ( talk) 09:22, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
The Afriqiyah bulletin 6 of May 12 is in conflict with the (later) official statement of the Dutch Ministry of Foreign Affairs that 70 people of Dutch nationality are killed. And is also in conflict with other given references in the table, e.g. the Belgian news paper Le Soir says (on May 15) that the Belgian Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirms that two Belgians have died in the crash. So the Afriqiyah bulletin 6 seems to be outdated. -- Crowsnest ( talk) 12:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Is this man the victim listed as 'Zimbabwean'? Surely there should be a footnote explaining his dual-nationality? 90.194.244.28 ( talk) 13:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
This talks about the plane missing someone's house. Would this be a good article to source anything? (I don't know Dutch!) WhisperToMe ( talk) 18:54, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
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"Spatial disorientation (somatogravic perceptual illusion) during go-around" i cannot find any explanation in the accident report about "spatial disorientation". I think it's an incorrect conclusion and this should be removed. Regards Saschaporsche ( talk) 02:50, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
'3.2 Probable Cause
....
Based on elements from the investigation, the accident resulted from:
These events can be explained by the following factors:
a good explanation of somatogravic perceptual illusions is at http://aviationknowledge.wikidot.com/aviation:somatogravic-illusion
cheers Woodywoodpeckerthe3rd ( talk) 04:32, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Seems odd that all three crew members, including the non-flying pilot, had exactly 516 hours on the Airbus 330 but very varied total hours. Cross Reference ( talk) 14:04, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
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(Note, I'm from the US and I speak American English) So I saw that there were intially 2 survivors: Ruben Van assouw and another person (who's details are not mentioned). Any information on that initial second survivor? Tigerdude9 ( talk) 19:42, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
A lot of information in this article is still looking like it's part of a current event. I myself have done edits to help make it look less like that, but still, a lot of info still feels like it was just written recently. Post any other comments and questions below. Thank you. Tigerdude9 ( talk) 15:16, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
Appendix 8 of the crash report has photos of the side-stick with the Captains priority button not fully serviceable despite the aircraft only being 9 months old. I propose that one is uploaded under wiki fair use policy. A5afety ( talk) 04:32, 6 February 2021 (UTC)