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@ Kierzek: I attempted to add the category People declared dead in absentia, which you reverted on the basis that "there's no question or issue that he was dead. Confirmed by the dental remains found, examined and tested; in addition to evidence at the scene and testimony under oath." I was not attempting to deny any of that.
Our apparent disagreement is over how the category itself should be understood. I think it means, as stated on the category page, that the person was declared dead through a presumption of death, rather than a more immediate certification, officiated in the presence of a corpse. In other words, while there were many good arguments that Hitler was dead that were made in the immediate years after 1945, this was not officially recognized until 1956. By then, the 10 years of Germany's 'disappearance law' had passed. As no forensic evidence was present at the 1956 declaration proceedings, the body can be considered in absentia.
And yes, the dental remains were identified by Hitler's dental staff in 1945, but these were not present in 1956. It was further logically established that he was dead by eyewitness testimony, supported by Michael Musmanno's seminal argument that the body had been burned to ashes, and the FBI/CIA's lending no credence to fringe leads alleging his survival. Hitler was definitely dead, but the evidence was under Soviet lock and key. Only in the late 1960s were photographs of the bridges and jawbone fragment published that could be properly peer-reviewed by scientists, recently reconfirmed by Charlier et al.; but this evidence wasn't needed to declare Hitler dead in 1956, because he hadn't resurfaced for over a decade. UpdateNerd ( talk) 03:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
There is no evidence that any actual bodily remains of Hitler or Braun – with the exception of the dental bridges – were found by the Soviets, which could be identified as their remainscited to Joachimsthaler, Fest and Kershaw. Is a dental bridge actually remains of a body? I’m no dental expert but Bridge (dentistry) suggests it’s the man-made part of the dental work, not a part of the teeth and therefore not “remains”. DeCausa ( talk) 21:45, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
I removed a [ statement] in the category that casted doubt on whether the people thus categorized are actually dead. Clicking through a few at random, it seems there are many biographies here of people who are definitely dead and their means of death are well understood in spite of the lack of a body. (For example, Charles_W._Whittlesey.) From this and the plain meaning of the language, it seems clear to me that Hitler belongs in the category for the reasons UpdateNerd articulated. We ought not shape Wikipedia to avoid mention of innocuous facts that unreasonable people might seize upon to further their conspiratorial thinking -- they're going to do that regardless. -- causa sui ( talk) 16:27, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
the absence of a body at the time of the legal declaration of deathin the context of the fall of Berlin and collapse of Germany, what was the legal declaration of his death anyway? Also what percentage of those dying in war are declared dead solely on the basis of witnesses or or evidence other than a physically-present 'intact' corpse? I still don't see how adding this category adds anything at all to knowing about AH. There are hundreds of categories which AH could be (and often has been) added to at some point. Plus, as I understand it, the Soviets had identifiable portions of his remains shortly after his death - his body, such as it was, was not absent. Pincrete ( talk) 19:36, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm willing to give up on this topic after everyone has generously contributed their time and stated their viewpoints. I defer to the argument that this isn't a defining feature of this biography article. However, I think it's relevant to the Death article, and the category has plenty of articles titled with "Death of " or "Disappearance of" in their titles, sorted by last name. So I'll try that categorization instead and see what objections arise, if any. UpdateNerd ( talk) 04:04, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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In the citizenship entry in the infobox, I was gonna wikilink "stateless" to Wikipedia page "statelessness" Victor obini ( talk) 20:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
We previously had a lengthy discussion around the replacement of the term "evil" with the watered-down term "gravely immoral" in the closing sentences of the intro. We had concluded that this was extraordinarily poor wording and changed it. I have noticed it is back again. What is going on here? Cheating on your spouse is gravely immoral. Murdering millions of people is *evil.* This word-choice doesn't come across as "neutral" or "objective" - it sounds suspiciously like a reluctance to cast Hitler in a negative light, hidden behind equivocations around site rules. 73.60.215.239 ( talk) 20:05, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
I totally disagree with this edit. "Gravely immoral" has a more serious objective gravity to it. "Evil" sounds much more childish, and lacking seriousness. Comic book villains are "evil". People have called Alister Crowley "evil". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.238.3.243 ( talk) 08:04, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
"the Nazi regime was responsible for the genocide of about six million Jews and millions of other victims" sounds a little informal. "the Nazi regime was responsible for the genocide of approximately six million Jews and millions of other victims" ("about" -> "approximately"), or similar, might sound more appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:152:305:1E39:E916:BC9D:F707:EBDD ( talk) 10:39, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
What needs "attention" in the article? Adamdaley ( talk) 07:44, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
How did Adolf Hitler managed to get rid of all Jews in Germany
What strategies did he used to get the support from other Germans 102.252.68.23 ( talk) 08:52, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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Add "Hitler is considered by historians to be one of the most evil historical figures of all time". -- 2A01:36D:1200:4F8:D15F:707:91A9:4BE9 ( talk) 07:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
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the man was born in Austria-Hungary, Austria in Braunau am Inn. 116.240.135.227 ( talk) 05:07, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Joaquin89uy: Hitler having dealing with Jews prior to WW1 does speak to the origins of his anti-semitism dating post WW1. This is explained in the bit following your template. Kleuske ( talk) 13:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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In the lead, removed the mention of Hitler's corpse being burned and change "of about six million Jews and millions of other victims" to "of about six million Jews and tens of millions of other victims" In the lead, change" By November 1932, the Nazi Party held the most seats in the German Reichstag, but did not have a majority. . As a result, no party was able to form a majority parliamentary coalition in support of a candidate for chancellor." to " By November 1932, the Nazi party held the most seats in the German Reichstag but did not have a majority. Both the Nazi and Communist parties were unwilling to form coalition governments and together controlled approximately 50% of seats in the Reichstag. As a result, no party was able to form a majority parliamentary coalition in support of a candidate for chancellor." Originalcola ( talk) 22:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Commenting on KlayCax's recent addition about Hitler's views on religion. The edit added quite a bit to the lead regarding religion. The content added to the lead doesn't really sum up the content in the article and contains content not actually covered in the body; rather it appears to be a summary of the article Religious views of Adolf Hitler. Maybe we should have a word in the lead about persecution of religions other than Jews in the lead, but it needs to be shorter, and it needs to be based on the content of this article only. How about making a suggestion here on the talk page?
Second problem: the content added to the body was placed prior to a citation to Bullock; I have a copy of Bullock right here, and the addition is not covered by that citation. You may not realize it, but this is a Good Article, meticulously maintained, and every single passage has a citation. So pasting in unsourced material, even if it's known to be true or sourceable, is not welcome, because if we are going to keep it someone will have to dig up the source. If you want to add something, please source it yourself. However,
Third problem: Wikipedia has a guideline that the maximum size of an article should be around 10,000 words. As soon as an article gets to be that size, we start creating sub-articles and give a shortened version of its content (or even just a wikilink). So adding more content that is already in a sub-article is not necessarily welcome. This article currently has a word count of 12280 words. — Diannaa ( talk) 14:07, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
The IPA transcription is wrong. The vowel of the first syllable is LONG, which is phonemic in German. This is evident from both the audio recording and the spelling (the rules of German orthography dictate that /adolf/ must be written *Addolf). It should be trivial to find a dictionary reference too, e.g. Duden. The syllabification is also hilariously wrong (the first syllable would be open either way). Now even other Wikipedias are copying this atrocity. How can one trust anything here when such basic and obvious details are all wrong and not allowed to be corrected? 95.37.241.249 ( talk) 18:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Without doubt, Hitler was evil and his crimes remain as a black mark in the annals of history. However, it is not the mission of Wikipedia to tell someone was good or bad. We should instead neutrally document his deeds, and our readers can judge his actions for themselves. Therefore, I suggest removing this sentence from the article abstract or changing it to something more appropriate such as "Hitler's crimes against humanity are universally condemned." Please refer to WP:ASSERT for the relevant policy. Madame Necker ( talk) 08:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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So I want to add his real name (Christened) on this page. I want to add (born as Adolphus Hitler) or something like that. Minor edit Allan Polatcan ( talk) 21:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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Under the tab Nazi Germany, and the topic 'Rearmament and new alliances' the paragraph "In January 1935, over 90 per cent of the people of the Saarland, then under League of Nations administration, voted to unite with Germany." - - it should say 90 percent (percent being one word, not two) TheRealMsGalaxy ( talk) 08:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
@ Endwise Please can we discuss our dispute here? The second article you linked says not to use the word Neo-Nazi but that sentiment doesn't apply here, since Hitler was a Nazi. Similarly, there is overwhelming historical evidence and sources - used in the article - which say Nazism is racist. I think it's the right thing to call it racist and that it'd be a problem not to. We acknowledge he was antisemitic in the rest of the article and the same thing applies here.
However, since I made that edit I have been thinking about the part that acknowledges:
"...millions of other victims, whom he and his followers deemed Untermenschen".
Some of the other people killed in the Holocaust were killed in ways that weren't racist - like disabled people, gay people and trans people. I think the sentence should be reworked to acknowledge this, whilst acknowledging most people killed in the Holocaust were killed for antisemitic reasons. Stephanie921 ( talk) 15:34, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Under Hitler's leadership and racially motivated ideology, the Nazi regime was responsible for the genocide of about six million Jews and millions of other victims, whom he and his followers deemed Untermenschen (subhumans) or socially undesirable.Just so others can be clear on what you are discussing, you changed the piped link from [[Nazi racial theories|racially motivated ideology]] to [[Nazi racial theories|racist ideology]], and Endwise reverted your edit. And Endwise did not actually link to articles in the edit summary; their links point to the NPOV policy page and the Manual of Style. — Diannaa ( talk) 20:37, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
OP Stephanie921 has today been blocked as a sockpuppet. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ariana Williscroft. — Diannaa ( talk) 22:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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Change A to B for the purpose of improving clarity (see below):
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Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadoːlf ˈhɪt.lɐ] ; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician who led Germany from 1933 until his death in 1945.
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Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadoːlf ˈhɪt.lɐ] ; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician who was the leader of Germany from 1933 until his death in 1945. Rosedaler ( talk) 12:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
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I mostly agree with those the oppose the proposal. I'd like to note that the article is currently included in Category:German revolutionaries. If there are high-quality RS that describe him as such, I'd suggest adding them to the body of the article first (I'm not convinced that they'd belong at the political views subarticle) for potential summary in the lead later (not the first sentence). I think removal of his role in genocide from the first paragraph is unwise. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 16:13, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
...an Austrian-born German politician who held the office of führer of the Nazi Party (NSDAP) and took power as chancellor of Germany in 1933. He was the leader of Germany until his death in 1945. His political ideology and policies are known as National Socialism (popularly known as Nazism) and were inspired by fascism, social Darwinism, and the Völkisch movement.
Let's add, he was a Vegitarian, a dog lover, was against smoking, etc etc (all of which are in fact well-sourced and have had a cultural impact, in fact, a far greater impact on culture and popular perception than him being a solder or revolutionary (see Reductio ad Hitlerum). Slatersteven ( talk) 16:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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I am still interested in improving the lede. Because it just seems disingenuous and insulting to the reader's intelligence to immediately introduce a historic person as such. Genghis Khan's article does not begin by declaring he was a "warlord who killed an estimated 40 million people". Similarly Hideki Tojo's article does not immediately introduce him as a "dictator who killed x number of people". Dictator too is a problematic term because unless one is discussing Ancient Rome it is always an epithet addressed toward an authoritarian ruler one does not like. For an example of a dictator on the polar opposite end of the spectrum to Hitler, Enver Hoxha is described as the "authoritarian ruler", not "dictator". TheCurrencyGuy ( talk) 20:36, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
Hitler supported Bavarian Soviet Republic 31.8.233.237 ( talk) 17:50, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
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Hitler killed himself and his wife after he saw that Germany was being captured, because he knew that the Americans or the British would hunt him down, and quite possibly kill him. So he took his wife, Eva, to his secret bunker. After he heard the Americans above him, he shot his wife and then killed himself. The Russians vowed to hide his body and have no respect for him. So, what they decided to do was hide his body to the point where even the Russian president couldn't find him! He demanded a full on search for his body, but some of his soldiers did not know where it was, because it was hidden so well. But after the president did the search, they finally found the body. His body was buried in a grave. Today, not very many people know where his body is, only the Russians. (//75.89.52.04/)November 26, 2022 (edit) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.106.30.246 ( talk) 14:43, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Slatersteven, I want you to add that topic that I briefly described about Hitler's body to the main page talking about him. I figured I could do it this way so that I could tell you.
Please? I mean, I'm only 12, and I used good grammar and a good source. 75.106.30.246 ( talk) 14:58, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
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1.The Infographics show (might not be too accurate) 2. Other Wikipedia pages (they are small and accurate) 3. History and Geography books and others 4. Some parts of the web, like Google and Chrome 5. Some archives and web sources 6.Actual published books from the library 75.106.30.246 ( talk) 15:09, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Actually NVM bro, don't publish that on there. I just found out that my info was wrong
Don't publish that stuff on there. I thought that the Russians had hidden his body, but I was wrong. There are also other things that are wrong with it too. 75.106.30.246 ( talk) 15:12, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
My edit has been reverted. -- Thedarkknightli ( talk) 06:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Alois Hitler bought this house in November 1898 for 7700 Krones and moved his family to Leondig already in February 1899. A couple of small rooms with a low ceiling, a small kitchen and a pear garden with a cemetery on the opposite side of the narrow village road where Alois and Clara Hitler are buried.The Hitler family had lived here from February 1899 until 21 June 1905. https://goo. https://goo.gl/maps/kR73pT2xBHUicTsBA Jcollmart (discussion) 12:06 9 Nov 2022 (UTC) Friedhof cemetery, located opposite their home, where Alois and Clara are buried.In 2012, local authorities moved the gravestones in an attempt to reduce interest in this place among modern Nazi admirers and extremists. In fact, the cemetery is small in size, so it was not difficult to find the actual site of the graves that are still underground. The site is located near the stone wall, opposite Michaelsbegstrasse and Hitler's former house. <nowiki> https://goo.gl/maps/ehu44c3TFMxa9Qun8 Jcollmart ( talk) 16:38, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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Revert "racist" back to "racially motivated". We all know it's racist, but this is an article, not a hit piece. Neutral language should be used 2601:2C1:8200:7700:EAFB:A85B:145D:6A34 ( talk) 08:06, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
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change German: [ˈadoːlf ˈhɪt.lɐ] to German: [ˈaːdɔlf ˈhɪt.lɐ], sound sample correct, IPA transcription still does not fit See this. 2003:EE:8F1B:6345:CD7E:FF1E:6C8D:B90E ( talk) 11:30, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
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As far as I can tell, the only use of the term 'far-right' in this article describes Hitler's seating position relative to his army comrades in a photograph. This is in stark contrast to many of our BLPs, where editors are often falling over themselves to apply this label to politicians, media figures, etc. What's up with that? Tewdar 21:01, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Hitlerian has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 21 § Hitlerian until a consensus is reached. An anonymous username, not my real name 04:03, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Is anything known about the High School Grades of Hitler? Was his second name Siegesmund? If so why was this named dropped when he dropped out of High School? Is anything known about the co-authors of Mein Kampf vol 1 & 2; i.e. retired Generals of World War 1? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Odenwald Monkey ( talk • contribs) 04:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
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I need to fix some minor issues with Hitler. Grantdetmermsu ( talk) 03:31, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
I would like to change the parties bit, because the nazi party was founded in 1920 from the dissolved German Workers' party in 1920, and was a member of the nazi party from one day iirc. Death Editor 2 ( talk) 18:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
My edit has been reverted without any explanations so I'm confused. Thedarkknightli ( talk) 03:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
How about changing the current image to this? 83.52.72.154 ( talk) 13:49, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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The following picture caption should be changed or removed: "Hitler on 20 April 1945 in his last public appearance, in the Reich Chancellery garden, ten days before he and Eva Braun committed suicide." The caption should be changed to "Hitler on 20 March 1945 in his last filmed public appearance, in the Reich Chancellery garden, one month before he and Eva Braun committed suicide. The date given for the event in the photo is 20 March 1945. Mark Felton Productions. (2018). The Last Photo of Hitler. YouTube. Retrieved June 23, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpHfAdKeXkQ&ab_channel=MarkFeltonProductions.
At a minimum, we know the photo's date is not 20 April 1945. It comes from a German propaganda film released on 22 March 1945. United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. (2022, July 28). Hitler and Hitler Youth in last newsreel. https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1004475 CalledGame ( talk) 00:59, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Partially implemented split the difference to reflect the latter source. Regarding the former, I'm leery of WP:YT. Iseult Δx parlez moi 15:10, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Second sentence in "Path to defeat" is:
This offensive (codenamed Operation Barbarossa) was intended to destroy the Soviet Union and seize its natural resources for subsequent aggression against the Western powers.
This is a new one to me, and I suspect it's revisionism (there are two refs but I can't read them). Mainstream thought has it as, in no particular order:
And resources too, sure, but for general use, not particularly for further aggression in the west. Hitler wanted peace with Britain and had no desire or plans to fight America, at that time.
Refs for this abound, but atm I'm too stretched to dig them up. But at any rate pointing this out. Herostratus ( talk) 05:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
it seems Hitler was a high school drop out. Is anything more known about his education? MonkeySwinging ( talk) 09:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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The first line of paragraph two in sub-section titled "Austria and Czechoslovakia," under section "Nazi Germany," should see the intro "In April Hitler ordered the OKW..." with "In April, Hitler ordered the OKW..." AdornmentXCX ( talk) 15:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
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I was wondering if it was possible for subtitles to be added to the given audio sample. This way, we can understand what is being said. 2600:100F:B1BF:F9FF:B483:D6E0:76C8:E0A0 ( talk) 03:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Recently "Generalplan Ost" was added to the final sentence of the lead para The sentence which summarises AH's most notable deeds. The sentence now reads: During his dictatorship, he initiated World War II in Europe by invading Poland on 1 September 1939. He was closely involved in military operations throughout the war and was central to the perpetration of the Holocaust and Generalplan Ost: resulting in the genocide of about six million Jews and millions of other victims.
The final sentence previously read: and was central to the perpetration of the Holocaust: the genocide of about six million Jews and millions of other victims.
I'm not very familiar with the "Generalplan Ost" and the linked article isn't that informative, though I'm obviously aware that killings of non-German civilian on the Eastern Front were horrendous, and even greater ethnic-cleansing was planned there. Therefore I can see the value of the addition if "Generalplan Ost" is the best name for the broader ethnic-cleansing that was carried out "in the East" - though that planned wouldn't logically fit in our text.
BUT … the text now reads in such a way that it is possible for the uninitiated to think that "Generalplan Ost", rather than the Holocaust was what killed 6 million Jews (and millions of others) and the link " about six million Jews and millions of other victims", takes one to 'Holocaust victims' rather than a more generic link covering both the Holocaust and "Generalplan Ost" victims - if such exists.
I don't see an easy fix and am insufficiently familiar with "Generalplan Ost" to have a useful opinion as to whether it belongs where it is, or possibly earlier in the para or not in the opening para at all. Thoughts. Pincrete ( talk) 06:23, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
"lead section is an introduction to an article and a summary of its most important contents..notability of the article's subject is usually established in the first few sentences"
At Hitler’s ‘Werwolf’ headquarters in Ukraine on 6 August 1942, the Führer emphasised: ‘We shall absorb or expel a ridiculous hundred million Slavs.’ 6 He insisted that public announcements would emphasise that the occupation would proceed in the interests of the population; privately, he noted that the Nazis would do what was necessary to ensure that the occupation turned into permanent German domination: ‘All necessary measures – shooting, deportation etc. – we will and can do despite this [public stance.] [1]
On 22 August 1939, Hitler assembled leading military officers at his retreat in the Bavarian mountains. he made it clear that this would not be an ordinary military campaign. ‘Our war aim’, he stated, ‘is not to attain a particular line [in the east], but the physical destruction of the enemy’ The invasion should be carried out with ‘the greatest brutality and without mercy’... he added: ‘Who, after all, speaks today about the annihilation of the Armenians?’ [2]
Shadowwarrior8 ( talk) 12:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)Hitler was perfectly aware of what was going on. He is said to have commented to confidantes in 1941 that the death of Soviet prisoners was a useful means of accomplishing the decimation of the ‘Slavic masses’ [3]
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In the "Views on religion" section, there are several references to Speer, but it's not made clear of who he is. The first of these is as follows: "Speer states that Hitler railed against the church to his political associates, and though he never officially left the church, he had no attachment to it."
I wonder if firstly, we could change it to say "Albert Speer", and secondly, if we could make this a link to his Wikipedia page. To someone not familiar with the subject, it reads as if Speer is a historian of some description, as opposed to a Nazi architect.
I also note that a few lines down from that, his full name is used. I wonder if this would be worth abbreviating to Speer, assuming we carry out the proposed edit above. 2A02:6B61:28B5:0:A5A3:46C5:D149:38C1 ( talk) 10:47, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
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change "hitler was decorated during his service in the German Army in ww1" to "hitler was decorated during his service in the Bavarian Army in ww1", as hitler did not serve for the Germans in ww1. 61.8.28.182 ( talk) 04:58, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
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he was abbreviated by Fuehrer 2402:8100:310A:19AA:DC1:C534:60B:139E ( talk) 15:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
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I admit I know nothing about resolutions or AI upscaling, but to my eye the image (shown right) has more detail than the current lead image (shown left). If the objection is that the second image has been somehow enhanced, I would note that we use a retouched version of the Mona Lisa as the lead image in that article. Why not here? 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 ( talk) 15:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
AI upscaling software should generally not be used to increase the resolution or quality of an old or low-resolution image. Original historical images should always be used in place of AI upscaled versions. If an AI-upscaled image is used in an article, this fact should be noted in its caption.Wow ( talk) 15:46, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Until recently, Hitler's position as commander-in-chief of the German Army was represented as an office in the infobox ( Special:Permalink/1173062159). I believe that the removal of this was correct, as it was not a civilian office but a military position that should be placed in the infobox's "Military service" section. This raises the broader question of whether the full details of Hitler's WW2 military career should be included, as opposed to just the WW1 details. This is a revision I prepared which includes details on his service in both wars: Special:Permalink/1173732293.
Based on my observations, in articles such as those on U.S. presidents (where the subject was a civilian commander-in-chief by virtue of an office they held), we do not include the details in the "Military service" section. In the case of Hitler (as well as Stalin), the military command was held outside of any office listed above, so I think there is a better case for listing it in this section. In particular, I think listing the commands that Hitler held (commander-in-chief of Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (from 1938), of the German Army (from 1941), and of Army Group A (1942)) is highly informative for the reader because it displays, as the first paragraph of the lead states, his "close involvement in military operations throughout the war". As explained in the article (which states that "Hitler dominated his country's war effort during World War II to a greater extent than any other national leader"), his elimination of the Ministry of War in 1938 and assumption of personal control was an important step in preparing for war, and his assumption of the army's supreme command after 1941 (to the point of taking direct command of an army group on the Eastern Front for two months in 1942) was a major deepening of his involvement.
I was reverted based on a concern about length, but I think these details are crucial to understanding his life and career and are thus appropriate to list. Thoughts? — Goszei ( talk) 05:53, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
There is a clause in this section that I think should be removed. "...spending nearly half his time at the regimental headquarters in Fournes-en-Weppes, well behind the front lines" in the sentence: "Posted to the Bavarian Reserve Infantry Regiment 16 (1st Company of the List Regiment), he served as a dispatch runner on the Western Front in France and Belgium, spending nearly half his time at the regimental headquarters in Fournes-en-Weppes, well behind the front lines."
This is misleading. It implies that other troops were spending more than half of their time at the front which was not the case. Attitude and inflection on Hitler's service in WWI has shifted back and forth since he became a public figure. A reading of Volker Ullrich's two volume recent bio of Hitler got me curious about this aspect and I looked into it--reviewing some of the big WWI standards (Keegan, Meyer, Gilbert, 'Forgotten Voices' audio interviews etc.) as well Groom's monograph on Ypres and at the climax of this research I found myself actually sitting down to read a big chunk of "Histories of Two Hundred and Fifty-One Divisions of the German Army Which Participated in the War (1914-1918)" which is the closest thing to a complete dataset of what every division and regiment of the Germany Army army did during the war.
I don't think it's appropriate or necessary to valorize Hitler's time as a soldier during World War I. But the idea that he had an easy time in the army or was in any way a shirker seems like a defensive smear--an excuse not to actually consider the life or experience that conditioned the character of his later career and world-historically dreadful catastrophes and crimes against humanity associated with his period of success in leadership. His regiment spent most of the war in and around Ypres--saw more action than most divisions and his regiment is one of the regiments where total casualty figures over the course of the war are pretty ambiguous (ie. a reserve regiment) but seem likely to have had a greater than 100% burn rate (basically everyone starting off in 1914 including the officers died, got wounded badly enough to be relieved from combat duty permanently and was replaced...with Hitler being one of the very few exceptions). Had he not been a runner, in other words, it is something like a near actuarial certainty that he would have either died or gone home much earlier. In his first few weeks as a runner, out of the 8 runners that his division started off with, only three survived into the year 1915.
Without meaning any disrespect to Weber's scholarship (despite finding my own view closer to the main current of consensus history presented by Ullrich's recent scholarly standard), I would advance that presenting Hitler's military career as less harrowing than the average German soldier's or as a comparatively easy tour would be....precisely and diametrically opposite to the picture that emerges when all available documents and all available testimony is looked at together.
And so, if no one objects, I'll be deleting the second clause of that sentence mentioned above. ThomasMikael ( talk) 19:57, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
"His father beat him, although his mother tried to protect him." If this journal exists, we're taking a MSM article's word on Adolf Hitler's family dynamics. This does not belong on this website; please confirm and remove this if no better source is found. Protect the integrity of this website and do a better job on this page, everyone. Note: only Extended Confirmed Users can edit this, so I can only say something about this. CazadorDeLobo ( talk) 06:27, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
@ Dianaa, Herr Hitler’s paintings have a dedicated article and, at least in the 2010s, regularly sold for tens or hundreds of thousands of U.S. dollars. My edit added a single clause - not even a sentence - to the lede mentioning this. Why is his time as a painter unworthy of less than a sentence in the lede of the article? Asperthrow ( talk) 01:35, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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I request to edit his death date. 2405:3800:83B:5D4C:60BF:60FF:FE7F:ED76 ( talk) 11:27, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Why isn't there a colorized image of Hitler at the beginning of the page? Why don't we just use this file: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hitler_portrait_crop_(colorized).jpg EditorEpic ( talk) 13:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Even though he is Austrian-born indeed, he renounced his Austrian citizenship in 1925 to become a German citizen, having lived in Germany since 1913. Also, according to MOS:ETHNICITY, one's ethnicity should not be listed on the first sentence of an article because it doesn't impact on the way one self identifies with. That's not how I view it, that's how Wikipedia views it. Zapho653 ( talk) 23:05, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
It doesn’t describe him as a painter in the introduction. 2600:2B00:8D6A:6300:BD23:7689:5023:D9D4 ( talk) 17:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
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change [Chancellor of Germany] to [Reichskanzler of Germany], as that's the official name, and used in other members of the chancellorship. Also "Chancellor" itself is incorrect due to it historically being "Imperial Chancellor", although "Reichskanzler" fits fine. I've already made these edits to several other chancellors but clearly can't edit this one due to the protection. Justyourkamerad ( talk) 01:07, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
This main AH article points out that Hitler was "released early" from his trial and conviction of his beer hall 'putsch' / coup attempt. The wiki article on the putsch riot itself does point out that he only served 9 months. I think that this main article on AH should specifically make the point, and say he only served 9 months (less than even a year), on a five year sentence. Not simply that he was "released early". Released early can easily be interpreted as perhaps a year or two getting shaved off a longer sentence. (It is likely that his fellow German citizens saw the very short prison stay as a light slap on the wrist, and therefore that "this fine fellow might not be all that bad after all!) FWIW. 2600:1700:BF10:69D0:AC90:34F4:B23:4604 ( talk) 14:39, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm guessing the "time on remand" accounts for the discrepancy between nine months and "just over a year". In any case, it's not "on [sic] a five year sentence"; it's "OF a five-year sentence". "ON" is not an all-purpose preposition. TheScotch ( talk) 15:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
I write not to re-open what has been an extensive set of discussions about the precise wording of the lead, but to inquire if someone could summarize briefly why or how the wording was decided (guiding principles): Adolf Hitler was an Austrian-born German politician who was the dictator of Germany... I have been thinking specifically about labels in leads of late, and how oftentimes such labels are misused, or, indeed, just rather odd (e.g., Lee Harvey Oswald was a U.S. Marine veteran... or Charles Milles Manson was an American criminal, cult leader and musician...). In this article, you all have selected "politician" and "dictator" as the initial labels for Hitler. I thought "politician" was odd...a politician (IMO) being someone who crafts policy solutions to difficult societal issues through argument and compromise; doesn't seem what AH is notable for. Looking over some of the past discussions, the phrase "what he is known for" is often used, whereas, I think more precisely "what he is notable for" should be the guiding rule for lead sentences. (If it were me, I would rewrite the lead sentence as: "Adolf Hitler was the Austrian-born dictator of Germany..." since I don't view Hitler as a notable politician (he more often did things by threats, force, and violence?) and "German politician" is redundant if he is dictator of Germany. And brevity. But that's not why I post this inquiry.) We are working on an essay: Wikipedia talk:Crime labels. As a suggestion, the Donald Trump article Talk page has a box at the top that lists the numerous points of consensus on hard-fought issues to fend off the problem of resolved issues being continually reopened; perhaps this article could use such a box? Bdushaw ( talk) 12:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Obsessive compulsive, I can't stand it and make a suggestion for a revision of the first paragraph of the lead. I recognize and acknowledge that there has already been extensive discussion about this...but the paragraph seems redundant and not on point. I'll just make the suggestion and let you all sort out whether it is worth it or not.
Presently the lead is:
I propose this lead:
There. I've done my duty. :) Bdushaw ( talk) 20:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
his suicide at the end of World War II in 1945is also redundant and forces the latter sentence to use the phrasing
war in Europe (1939-1945)which is also less than ideal. ~ F4U ( talk • they/it) 00:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
I'll list the changes I made and the reasons for them. (1) I view starting the lead with "Austrian-born German politician" is off the mark. Is "Austrian-born" so important that it must start the lead? I read through some of the talk archives, I am not the first to question labeling Hitler a "politician". A whitewash; grossly misleading. (2) I somewhat agree that "totalitarian dictator" is redundant, but it was easy to find that it has a not so uncommon usage. Seems appropriate for this dictator. (3) Reorder the sentences so that the Holocaust, obviously more important than describing how Hitler came to power, is stated up front. (I've noted that Wikipedians often "bury the lead".) (4) Added "in 1921" to be more informative and to write parallel phrasing to subsequent phrases. (5) deleted "during his dictatorship"; not needed. (6) Changed "initiated" to "precipitated". The invasion of Poland was the culmination of several years of obvious steps toward war; by the time of the invasion, war was almost a foregone conclusion, widely expected. General: Contemplating this lead, I note that it is acting as a lead for the lead, to a large extent. It, in fact, states points redundant with the other paragraphs. I would suggest breaking the treaty of Versailles by rearming Germany, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, etc might make better, less redundant points for the first paragraph of the lead. In short...I think you all can do better. But that's it for me; I am not in an argumentative mood - I just like things to be well written. (and I would still like to hear your opinions on how/why the lead labels were used; it's for a project...) Bdushaw ( talk) 14:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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Known as the most hated man in history for being a tyrannical dictator Hansserd ( talk) 19:07, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
Austrian German has got NOTHING to do with dialect! Hitler was from Braunau am Inn - the dialect there is Westmittelbairisch (as classified in science). Bavarian is spoken in almost all of Austria, minus Vorarlberg. With regard to dialect, there is nothing called :Austrian" - instead the dialects are named after the region where they are spoken. 45.65.90.136 ( talk) 18:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
Hitler's German language 45.65.90.136 ( talk) 18:57, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
There he acquired the distinctive lower Bavarian dialect, rather than Austrian German, which marked his speech throughout his life.It doesn't say he spoke "Austrian" it says he spoke the Bavarian dialect. It also only refers to Bavarian as an actual dialect. Austrian German isn't referred to as a dialect - it links to our article on it which makes it clear that it is not a dialect but just a variety of Standard German. So, as far as I can see, the article is consistent with what you are saying. What am I missing? DeCausa ( talk) 20:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I was wondering what people thought of adding the theory of Hitler faking his suicide and moving to South America to the page. It's not one I believe myself but there are plenty of people who do and thus writings about such a theory. Let me know if this is worth researching and adding, Thanks. B1GMelman613 ( talk) 14:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
His official title was Fuhrer, not “dictator”. “Dictator” is what his opponents label him, and not his official title. Let’s not be biased here. Rizzle685 ( talk) 19:18, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
reaching a consistent treatment of such political figures- the consistency lies in basing articles on the balance of best sources for each figure, filtered through the same editorial process. I'm no expert on Mao, but it's possible that his need to exercise power through the CCP and other agencies, and the less visible power structures of PRC mean that sources place less emphasis on his 'absolute' power. Stalin wasn't initially a dictator, though he became one, which his article reflects. Castro, for many reasons, is much less commonly called a dictator by neutral sources than the others you mention. The "one size fits all" approach doesn't necessarily work. It would be very hard to find any source that didn't characterise Hitler as a dictator though. Pincrete ( talk) 10:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Is Führer a prefix ? for that matter, is Duce a prefix? Nobody ever says "Führer Adolf Hitler" or "Duce Benito Mussolini" do they? They are both either referred to by their names, or "der Führer/il Duce" are they not? Pincrete ( talk) 16:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
proposal to change the first words of the article from:
"was an Austrian-born German politician" to "was an Austrian-born German politician and, for a brief time, also a painter" Zoppozoppo ( talk) 16:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
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In my view the article should have a short segment outlining/summarizing Hitler's political views. Adding a link onto a longer article is fine but imo there needs to be something on the page itself. Firestar47 ( talk) 10:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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I am requesting to add more about the way Hitler died,, though, yes, he did shoot himself in the head with a sidearm, and yes, his new wife did take a cyanide capsule, but, it was the Minister of Hitler Youth who found them dead. Afterwards, they put Hitler and his wife in an Artillery Hole, where they poured gasoline on it and burnt their corpses, they then buried it and Russian Soldiers then dug it up since it was fresh dirt, where they stole the body. TheFrenchyPari ( talk) 23:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I just created/translated the page " Naturalization of Adolf Hitler" (from dewiki + new english references and some customization). Could we reference to it on this page, perhaps with a wl in the "Personal life" section, in some way?
The naturalization of Adolf Hitler is a very intriguing history indeed. Like a soap opera or a sitcom. XD
Regards and thank you all for the attention given to me. LucaLindholm ( talk) 17:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
The sentence "Many victims of the Holocaust were murdered in gas chambers, while others died of starvation or disease or while working as slave labourers." should be updated to say " Many victims of the Holocaust were murdered in gas chambers, while others died of starvation or disease or while working as slave labourers, or killed in mass shootings." Mchcopl ( talk) 07:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi there. It is now more accepted to use Antisemitism instead of the outdated 'Anti-semitism'. The latter was a term created as a pseudo-scientific explanation for the hatred of Jews, often associated with the Nazi ideology of racial classification ( https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/spelling-antisemitism / https://www.adl.org/spelling-antisemitism-vs-anti-semitism). Thanks 81.108.69.245 ( talk) 01:09, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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"Nazi official Hans Frank suggested that Alois's mother had been employed as a housekeeper by a Jewish family in Graz."
This is wrong. Frank did not suggest this. He described it as the accussation which he investigated for Hitler. Frank himself said that he did not believe it to be true, and that he did not find any support for this. The article should be corrected. 47.156.172.168 ( talk) 23:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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I have removed content sourced to this article, where it states that at the time, the term "Nazi" was considered derogatory, because there's a German word "Naczi", "which was an insulting term for a 'foolish clumsy person'". I don't think we should mention that it was considered derogatory, because while it's an interesting bit of trivia, it's too much detail for an article about Hitler. This article is already too long, so including off-topic details is not a good idea in my opinion. The term is no longer considered derogatory as far as I am aware, and explaining why they found it to be so is way off-topic. Perhaps consider including it at Nazi Party instead? Discussion welcome. — Diannaa ( talk) 13:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
"Hitler and the Nazi regime were also responsible for the deliberate killing of an estimated 19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war. In addition, 28.7 million soldiers and civilians died as a result of military action in the European theatre."
Two words "In addition" seem to be typo error, because if we add 10 million Chinese killed besides millions of Japanese, Americans and other Asians and Africans, total killed in WW2 will be around 70 million, but most of the sources say 50 millions. Hence there is nearly 20 million discrepancy. Therefore, the above segment should be thus:-
"Hitler and the Nazi regime were also responsible for the deliberate killing of an estimated 19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war. 28.7 million soldiers and civilians (which includes 19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war, besides 9.4 millions soldiers in Europe) died as a result of military action in the European theatre." VJha ( talk) 02:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC) (Vinay Jha)
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@ Kierzek: I attempted to add the category People declared dead in absentia, which you reverted on the basis that "there's no question or issue that he was dead. Confirmed by the dental remains found, examined and tested; in addition to evidence at the scene and testimony under oath." I was not attempting to deny any of that.
Our apparent disagreement is over how the category itself should be understood. I think it means, as stated on the category page, that the person was declared dead through a presumption of death, rather than a more immediate certification, officiated in the presence of a corpse. In other words, while there were many good arguments that Hitler was dead that were made in the immediate years after 1945, this was not officially recognized until 1956. By then, the 10 years of Germany's 'disappearance law' had passed. As no forensic evidence was present at the 1956 declaration proceedings, the body can be considered in absentia.
And yes, the dental remains were identified by Hitler's dental staff in 1945, but these were not present in 1956. It was further logically established that he was dead by eyewitness testimony, supported by Michael Musmanno's seminal argument that the body had been burned to ashes, and the FBI/CIA's lending no credence to fringe leads alleging his survival. Hitler was definitely dead, but the evidence was under Soviet lock and key. Only in the late 1960s were photographs of the bridges and jawbone fragment published that could be properly peer-reviewed by scientists, recently reconfirmed by Charlier et al.; but this evidence wasn't needed to declare Hitler dead in 1956, because he hadn't resurfaced for over a decade. UpdateNerd ( talk) 03:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
There is no evidence that any actual bodily remains of Hitler or Braun – with the exception of the dental bridges – were found by the Soviets, which could be identified as their remainscited to Joachimsthaler, Fest and Kershaw. Is a dental bridge actually remains of a body? I’m no dental expert but Bridge (dentistry) suggests it’s the man-made part of the dental work, not a part of the teeth and therefore not “remains”. DeCausa ( talk) 21:45, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
I removed a [ statement] in the category that casted doubt on whether the people thus categorized are actually dead. Clicking through a few at random, it seems there are many biographies here of people who are definitely dead and their means of death are well understood in spite of the lack of a body. (For example, Charles_W._Whittlesey.) From this and the plain meaning of the language, it seems clear to me that Hitler belongs in the category for the reasons UpdateNerd articulated. We ought not shape Wikipedia to avoid mention of innocuous facts that unreasonable people might seize upon to further their conspiratorial thinking -- they're going to do that regardless. -- causa sui ( talk) 16:27, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
the absence of a body at the time of the legal declaration of deathin the context of the fall of Berlin and collapse of Germany, what was the legal declaration of his death anyway? Also what percentage of those dying in war are declared dead solely on the basis of witnesses or or evidence other than a physically-present 'intact' corpse? I still don't see how adding this category adds anything at all to knowing about AH. There are hundreds of categories which AH could be (and often has been) added to at some point. Plus, as I understand it, the Soviets had identifiable portions of his remains shortly after his death - his body, such as it was, was not absent. Pincrete ( talk) 19:36, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
I'm willing to give up on this topic after everyone has generously contributed their time and stated their viewpoints. I defer to the argument that this isn't a defining feature of this biography article. However, I think it's relevant to the Death article, and the category has plenty of articles titled with "Death of " or "Disappearance of" in their titles, sorted by last name. So I'll try that categorization instead and see what objections arise, if any. UpdateNerd ( talk) 04:04, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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In the citizenship entry in the infobox, I was gonna wikilink "stateless" to Wikipedia page "statelessness" Victor obini ( talk) 20:22, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
We previously had a lengthy discussion around the replacement of the term "evil" with the watered-down term "gravely immoral" in the closing sentences of the intro. We had concluded that this was extraordinarily poor wording and changed it. I have noticed it is back again. What is going on here? Cheating on your spouse is gravely immoral. Murdering millions of people is *evil.* This word-choice doesn't come across as "neutral" or "objective" - it sounds suspiciously like a reluctance to cast Hitler in a negative light, hidden behind equivocations around site rules. 73.60.215.239 ( talk) 20:05, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
I totally disagree with this edit. "Gravely immoral" has a more serious objective gravity to it. "Evil" sounds much more childish, and lacking seriousness. Comic book villains are "evil". People have called Alister Crowley "evil". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.238.3.243 ( talk) 08:04, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
"the Nazi regime was responsible for the genocide of about six million Jews and millions of other victims" sounds a little informal. "the Nazi regime was responsible for the genocide of approximately six million Jews and millions of other victims" ("about" -> "approximately"), or similar, might sound more appropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:152:305:1E39:E916:BC9D:F707:EBDD ( talk) 10:39, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
What needs "attention" in the article? Adamdaley ( talk) 07:44, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
How did Adolf Hitler managed to get rid of all Jews in Germany
What strategies did he used to get the support from other Germans 102.252.68.23 ( talk) 08:52, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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Add "Hitler is considered by historians to be one of the most evil historical figures of all time". -- 2A01:36D:1200:4F8:D15F:707:91A9:4BE9 ( talk) 07:46, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
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the man was born in Austria-Hungary, Austria in Braunau am Inn. 116.240.135.227 ( talk) 05:07, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
@ Joaquin89uy: Hitler having dealing with Jews prior to WW1 does speak to the origins of his anti-semitism dating post WW1. This is explained in the bit following your template. Kleuske ( talk) 13:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
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In the lead, removed the mention of Hitler's corpse being burned and change "of about six million Jews and millions of other victims" to "of about six million Jews and tens of millions of other victims" In the lead, change" By November 1932, the Nazi Party held the most seats in the German Reichstag, but did not have a majority. . As a result, no party was able to form a majority parliamentary coalition in support of a candidate for chancellor." to " By November 1932, the Nazi party held the most seats in the German Reichstag but did not have a majority. Both the Nazi and Communist parties were unwilling to form coalition governments and together controlled approximately 50% of seats in the Reichstag. As a result, no party was able to form a majority parliamentary coalition in support of a candidate for chancellor." Originalcola ( talk) 22:29, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
Commenting on KlayCax's recent addition about Hitler's views on religion. The edit added quite a bit to the lead regarding religion. The content added to the lead doesn't really sum up the content in the article and contains content not actually covered in the body; rather it appears to be a summary of the article Religious views of Adolf Hitler. Maybe we should have a word in the lead about persecution of religions other than Jews in the lead, but it needs to be shorter, and it needs to be based on the content of this article only. How about making a suggestion here on the talk page?
Second problem: the content added to the body was placed prior to a citation to Bullock; I have a copy of Bullock right here, and the addition is not covered by that citation. You may not realize it, but this is a Good Article, meticulously maintained, and every single passage has a citation. So pasting in unsourced material, even if it's known to be true or sourceable, is not welcome, because if we are going to keep it someone will have to dig up the source. If you want to add something, please source it yourself. However,
Third problem: Wikipedia has a guideline that the maximum size of an article should be around 10,000 words. As soon as an article gets to be that size, we start creating sub-articles and give a shortened version of its content (or even just a wikilink). So adding more content that is already in a sub-article is not necessarily welcome. This article currently has a word count of 12280 words. — Diannaa ( talk) 14:07, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
The IPA transcription is wrong. The vowel of the first syllable is LONG, which is phonemic in German. This is evident from both the audio recording and the spelling (the rules of German orthography dictate that /adolf/ must be written *Addolf). It should be trivial to find a dictionary reference too, e.g. Duden. The syllabification is also hilariously wrong (the first syllable would be open either way). Now even other Wikipedias are copying this atrocity. How can one trust anything here when such basic and obvious details are all wrong and not allowed to be corrected? 95.37.241.249 ( talk) 18:32, 16 June 2022 (UTC)
Without doubt, Hitler was evil and his crimes remain as a black mark in the annals of history. However, it is not the mission of Wikipedia to tell someone was good or bad. We should instead neutrally document his deeds, and our readers can judge his actions for themselves. Therefore, I suggest removing this sentence from the article abstract or changing it to something more appropriate such as "Hitler's crimes against humanity are universally condemned." Please refer to WP:ASSERT for the relevant policy. Madame Necker ( talk) 08:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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So I want to add his real name (Christened) on this page. I want to add (born as Adolphus Hitler) or something like that. Minor edit Allan Polatcan ( talk) 21:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
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Under the tab Nazi Germany, and the topic 'Rearmament and new alliances' the paragraph "In January 1935, over 90 per cent of the people of the Saarland, then under League of Nations administration, voted to unite with Germany." - - it should say 90 percent (percent being one word, not two) TheRealMsGalaxy ( talk) 08:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
@ Endwise Please can we discuss our dispute here? The second article you linked says not to use the word Neo-Nazi but that sentiment doesn't apply here, since Hitler was a Nazi. Similarly, there is overwhelming historical evidence and sources - used in the article - which say Nazism is racist. I think it's the right thing to call it racist and that it'd be a problem not to. We acknowledge he was antisemitic in the rest of the article and the same thing applies here.
However, since I made that edit I have been thinking about the part that acknowledges:
"...millions of other victims, whom he and his followers deemed Untermenschen".
Some of the other people killed in the Holocaust were killed in ways that weren't racist - like disabled people, gay people and trans people. I think the sentence should be reworked to acknowledge this, whilst acknowledging most people killed in the Holocaust were killed for antisemitic reasons. Stephanie921 ( talk) 15:34, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
Under Hitler's leadership and racially motivated ideology, the Nazi regime was responsible for the genocide of about six million Jews and millions of other victims, whom he and his followers deemed Untermenschen (subhumans) or socially undesirable.Just so others can be clear on what you are discussing, you changed the piped link from [[Nazi racial theories|racially motivated ideology]] to [[Nazi racial theories|racist ideology]], and Endwise reverted your edit. And Endwise did not actually link to articles in the edit summary; their links point to the NPOV policy page and the Manual of Style. — Diannaa ( talk) 20:37, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
OP Stephanie921 has today been blocked as a sockpuppet. Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ariana Williscroft. — Diannaa ( talk) 22:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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Change A to B for the purpose of improving clarity (see below):
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Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadoːlf ˈhɪt.lɐ] ; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician who led Germany from 1933 until his death in 1945.
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Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadoːlf ˈhɪt.lɐ] ; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician who was the leader of Germany from 1933 until his death in 1945. Rosedaler ( talk) 12:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
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I mostly agree with those the oppose the proposal. I'd like to note that the article is currently included in Category:German revolutionaries. If there are high-quality RS that describe him as such, I'd suggest adding them to the body of the article first (I'm not convinced that they'd belong at the political views subarticle) for potential summary in the lead later (not the first sentence). I think removal of his role in genocide from the first paragraph is unwise. Firefangledfeathers ( talk / contribs) 16:13, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
...an Austrian-born German politician who held the office of führer of the Nazi Party (NSDAP) and took power as chancellor of Germany in 1933. He was the leader of Germany until his death in 1945. His political ideology and policies are known as National Socialism (popularly known as Nazism) and were inspired by fascism, social Darwinism, and the Völkisch movement.
Let's add, he was a Vegitarian, a dog lover, was against smoking, etc etc (all of which are in fact well-sourced and have had a cultural impact, in fact, a far greater impact on culture and popular perception than him being a solder or revolutionary (see Reductio ad Hitlerum). Slatersteven ( talk) 16:34, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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I am still interested in improving the lede. Because it just seems disingenuous and insulting to the reader's intelligence to immediately introduce a historic person as such. Genghis Khan's article does not begin by declaring he was a "warlord who killed an estimated 40 million people". Similarly Hideki Tojo's article does not immediately introduce him as a "dictator who killed x number of people". Dictator too is a problematic term because unless one is discussing Ancient Rome it is always an epithet addressed toward an authoritarian ruler one does not like. For an example of a dictator on the polar opposite end of the spectrum to Hitler, Enver Hoxha is described as the "authoritarian ruler", not "dictator". TheCurrencyGuy ( talk) 20:36, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
Hitler supported Bavarian Soviet Republic 31.8.233.237 ( talk) 17:50, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
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Hitler killed himself and his wife after he saw that Germany was being captured, because he knew that the Americans or the British would hunt him down, and quite possibly kill him. So he took his wife, Eva, to his secret bunker. After he heard the Americans above him, he shot his wife and then killed himself. The Russians vowed to hide his body and have no respect for him. So, what they decided to do was hide his body to the point where even the Russian president couldn't find him! He demanded a full on search for his body, but some of his soldiers did not know where it was, because it was hidden so well. But after the president did the search, they finally found the body. His body was buried in a grave. Today, not very many people know where his body is, only the Russians. (//75.89.52.04/)November 26, 2022 (edit) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.106.30.246 ( talk) 14:43, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Slatersteven, I want you to add that topic that I briefly described about Hitler's body to the main page talking about him. I figured I could do it this way so that I could tell you.
Please? I mean, I'm only 12, and I used good grammar and a good source. 75.106.30.246 ( talk) 14:58, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
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1.The Infographics show (might not be too accurate) 2. Other Wikipedia pages (they are small and accurate) 3. History and Geography books and others 4. Some parts of the web, like Google and Chrome 5. Some archives and web sources 6.Actual published books from the library 75.106.30.246 ( talk) 15:09, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
Actually NVM bro, don't publish that on there. I just found out that my info was wrong
Don't publish that stuff on there. I thought that the Russians had hidden his body, but I was wrong. There are also other things that are wrong with it too. 75.106.30.246 ( talk) 15:12, 26 November 2022 (UTC)
My edit has been reverted. -- Thedarkknightli ( talk) 06:41, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Alois Hitler bought this house in November 1898 for 7700 Krones and moved his family to Leondig already in February 1899. A couple of small rooms with a low ceiling, a small kitchen and a pear garden with a cemetery on the opposite side of the narrow village road where Alois and Clara Hitler are buried.The Hitler family had lived here from February 1899 until 21 June 1905. https://goo. https://goo.gl/maps/kR73pT2xBHUicTsBA Jcollmart (discussion) 12:06 9 Nov 2022 (UTC) Friedhof cemetery, located opposite their home, where Alois and Clara are buried.In 2012, local authorities moved the gravestones in an attempt to reduce interest in this place among modern Nazi admirers and extremists. In fact, the cemetery is small in size, so it was not difficult to find the actual site of the graves that are still underground. The site is located near the stone wall, opposite Michaelsbegstrasse and Hitler's former house. <nowiki> https://goo.gl/maps/ehu44c3TFMxa9Qun8 Jcollmart ( talk) 16:38, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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Revert "racist" back to "racially motivated". We all know it's racist, but this is an article, not a hit piece. Neutral language should be used 2601:2C1:8200:7700:EAFB:A85B:145D:6A34 ( talk) 08:06, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
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change German: [ˈadoːlf ˈhɪt.lɐ] to German: [ˈaːdɔlf ˈhɪt.lɐ], sound sample correct, IPA transcription still does not fit See this. 2003:EE:8F1B:6345:CD7E:FF1E:6C8D:B90E ( talk) 11:30, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
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As far as I can tell, the only use of the term 'far-right' in this article describes Hitler's seating position relative to his army comrades in a photograph. This is in stark contrast to many of our BLPs, where editors are often falling over themselves to apply this label to politicians, media figures, etc. What's up with that? Tewdar 21:01, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
The redirect Hitlerian has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 February 21 § Hitlerian until a consensus is reached. An anonymous username, not my real name 04:03, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Is anything known about the High School Grades of Hitler? Was his second name Siegesmund? If so why was this named dropped when he dropped out of High School? Is anything known about the co-authors of Mein Kampf vol 1 & 2; i.e. retired Generals of World War 1? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Odenwald Monkey ( talk • contribs) 04:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
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I need to fix some minor issues with Hitler. Grantdetmermsu ( talk) 03:31, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
I would like to change the parties bit, because the nazi party was founded in 1920 from the dissolved German Workers' party in 1920, and was a member of the nazi party from one day iirc. Death Editor 2 ( talk) 18:04, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
My edit has been reverted without any explanations so I'm confused. Thedarkknightli ( talk) 03:08, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
How about changing the current image to this? 83.52.72.154 ( talk) 13:49, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
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The following picture caption should be changed or removed: "Hitler on 20 April 1945 in his last public appearance, in the Reich Chancellery garden, ten days before he and Eva Braun committed suicide." The caption should be changed to "Hitler on 20 March 1945 in his last filmed public appearance, in the Reich Chancellery garden, one month before he and Eva Braun committed suicide. The date given for the event in the photo is 20 March 1945. Mark Felton Productions. (2018). The Last Photo of Hitler. YouTube. Retrieved June 23, 2023, from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpHfAdKeXkQ&ab_channel=MarkFeltonProductions.
At a minimum, we know the photo's date is not 20 April 1945. It comes from a German propaganda film released on 22 March 1945. United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. (2022, July 28). Hitler and Hitler Youth in last newsreel. https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1004475 CalledGame ( talk) 00:59, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Partially implemented split the difference to reflect the latter source. Regarding the former, I'm leery of WP:YT. Iseult Δx parlez moi 15:10, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
Second sentence in "Path to defeat" is:
This offensive (codenamed Operation Barbarossa) was intended to destroy the Soviet Union and seize its natural resources for subsequent aggression against the Western powers.
This is a new one to me, and I suspect it's revisionism (there are two refs but I can't read them). Mainstream thought has it as, in no particular order:
And resources too, sure, but for general use, not particularly for further aggression in the west. Hitler wanted peace with Britain and had no desire or plans to fight America, at that time.
Refs for this abound, but atm I'm too stretched to dig them up. But at any rate pointing this out. Herostratus ( talk) 05:57, 30 June 2023 (UTC)
it seems Hitler was a high school drop out. Is anything more known about his education? MonkeySwinging ( talk) 09:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
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The first line of paragraph two in sub-section titled "Austria and Czechoslovakia," under section "Nazi Germany," should see the intro "In April Hitler ordered the OKW..." with "In April, Hitler ordered the OKW..." AdornmentXCX ( talk) 15:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
Done Xan747 ( talk) 15:54, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
I was wondering if it was possible for subtitles to be added to the given audio sample. This way, we can understand what is being said. 2600:100F:B1BF:F9FF:B483:D6E0:76C8:E0A0 ( talk) 03:00, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
Recently "Generalplan Ost" was added to the final sentence of the lead para The sentence which summarises AH's most notable deeds. The sentence now reads: During his dictatorship, he initiated World War II in Europe by invading Poland on 1 September 1939. He was closely involved in military operations throughout the war and was central to the perpetration of the Holocaust and Generalplan Ost: resulting in the genocide of about six million Jews and millions of other victims.
The final sentence previously read: and was central to the perpetration of the Holocaust: the genocide of about six million Jews and millions of other victims.
I'm not very familiar with the "Generalplan Ost" and the linked article isn't that informative, though I'm obviously aware that killings of non-German civilian on the Eastern Front were horrendous, and even greater ethnic-cleansing was planned there. Therefore I can see the value of the addition if "Generalplan Ost" is the best name for the broader ethnic-cleansing that was carried out "in the East" - though that planned wouldn't logically fit in our text.
BUT … the text now reads in such a way that it is possible for the uninitiated to think that "Generalplan Ost", rather than the Holocaust was what killed 6 million Jews (and millions of others) and the link " about six million Jews and millions of other victims", takes one to 'Holocaust victims' rather than a more generic link covering both the Holocaust and "Generalplan Ost" victims - if such exists.
I don't see an easy fix and am insufficiently familiar with "Generalplan Ost" to have a useful opinion as to whether it belongs where it is, or possibly earlier in the para or not in the opening para at all. Thoughts. Pincrete ( talk) 06:23, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
"lead section is an introduction to an article and a summary of its most important contents..notability of the article's subject is usually established in the first few sentences"
At Hitler’s ‘Werwolf’ headquarters in Ukraine on 6 August 1942, the Führer emphasised: ‘We shall absorb or expel a ridiculous hundred million Slavs.’ 6 He insisted that public announcements would emphasise that the occupation would proceed in the interests of the population; privately, he noted that the Nazis would do what was necessary to ensure that the occupation turned into permanent German domination: ‘All necessary measures – shooting, deportation etc. – we will and can do despite this [public stance.] [1]
On 22 August 1939, Hitler assembled leading military officers at his retreat in the Bavarian mountains. he made it clear that this would not be an ordinary military campaign. ‘Our war aim’, he stated, ‘is not to attain a particular line [in the east], but the physical destruction of the enemy’ The invasion should be carried out with ‘the greatest brutality and without mercy’... he added: ‘Who, after all, speaks today about the annihilation of the Armenians?’ [2]
Shadowwarrior8 ( talk) 12:26, 21 July 2023 (UTC)Hitler was perfectly aware of what was going on. He is said to have commented to confidantes in 1941 that the death of Soviet prisoners was a useful means of accomplishing the decimation of the ‘Slavic masses’ [3]
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In the "Views on religion" section, there are several references to Speer, but it's not made clear of who he is. The first of these is as follows: "Speer states that Hitler railed against the church to his political associates, and though he never officially left the church, he had no attachment to it."
I wonder if firstly, we could change it to say "Albert Speer", and secondly, if we could make this a link to his Wikipedia page. To someone not familiar with the subject, it reads as if Speer is a historian of some description, as opposed to a Nazi architect.
I also note that a few lines down from that, his full name is used. I wonder if this would be worth abbreviating to Speer, assuming we carry out the proposed edit above. 2A02:6B61:28B5:0:A5A3:46C5:D149:38C1 ( talk) 10:47, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
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change "hitler was decorated during his service in the German Army in ww1" to "hitler was decorated during his service in the Bavarian Army in ww1", as hitler did not serve for the Germans in ww1. 61.8.28.182 ( talk) 04:58, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
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he was abbreviated by Fuehrer 2402:8100:310A:19AA:DC1:C534:60B:139E ( talk) 15:17, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
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I admit I know nothing about resolutions or AI upscaling, but to my eye the image (shown right) has more detail than the current lead image (shown left). If the objection is that the second image has been somehow enhanced, I would note that we use a retouched version of the Mona Lisa as the lead image in that article. Why not here? 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 ( talk) 15:21, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
AI upscaling software should generally not be used to increase the resolution or quality of an old or low-resolution image. Original historical images should always be used in place of AI upscaled versions. If an AI-upscaled image is used in an article, this fact should be noted in its caption.Wow ( talk) 15:46, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
Until recently, Hitler's position as commander-in-chief of the German Army was represented as an office in the infobox ( Special:Permalink/1173062159). I believe that the removal of this was correct, as it was not a civilian office but a military position that should be placed in the infobox's "Military service" section. This raises the broader question of whether the full details of Hitler's WW2 military career should be included, as opposed to just the WW1 details. This is a revision I prepared which includes details on his service in both wars: Special:Permalink/1173732293.
Based on my observations, in articles such as those on U.S. presidents (where the subject was a civilian commander-in-chief by virtue of an office they held), we do not include the details in the "Military service" section. In the case of Hitler (as well as Stalin), the military command was held outside of any office listed above, so I think there is a better case for listing it in this section. In particular, I think listing the commands that Hitler held (commander-in-chief of Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (from 1938), of the German Army (from 1941), and of Army Group A (1942)) is highly informative for the reader because it displays, as the first paragraph of the lead states, his "close involvement in military operations throughout the war". As explained in the article (which states that "Hitler dominated his country's war effort during World War II to a greater extent than any other national leader"), his elimination of the Ministry of War in 1938 and assumption of personal control was an important step in preparing for war, and his assumption of the army's supreme command after 1941 (to the point of taking direct command of an army group on the Eastern Front for two months in 1942) was a major deepening of his involvement.
I was reverted based on a concern about length, but I think these details are crucial to understanding his life and career and are thus appropriate to list. Thoughts? — Goszei ( talk) 05:53, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
There is a clause in this section that I think should be removed. "...spending nearly half his time at the regimental headquarters in Fournes-en-Weppes, well behind the front lines" in the sentence: "Posted to the Bavarian Reserve Infantry Regiment 16 (1st Company of the List Regiment), he served as a dispatch runner on the Western Front in France and Belgium, spending nearly half his time at the regimental headquarters in Fournes-en-Weppes, well behind the front lines."
This is misleading. It implies that other troops were spending more than half of their time at the front which was not the case. Attitude and inflection on Hitler's service in WWI has shifted back and forth since he became a public figure. A reading of Volker Ullrich's two volume recent bio of Hitler got me curious about this aspect and I looked into it--reviewing some of the big WWI standards (Keegan, Meyer, Gilbert, 'Forgotten Voices' audio interviews etc.) as well Groom's monograph on Ypres and at the climax of this research I found myself actually sitting down to read a big chunk of "Histories of Two Hundred and Fifty-One Divisions of the German Army Which Participated in the War (1914-1918)" which is the closest thing to a complete dataset of what every division and regiment of the Germany Army army did during the war.
I don't think it's appropriate or necessary to valorize Hitler's time as a soldier during World War I. But the idea that he had an easy time in the army or was in any way a shirker seems like a defensive smear--an excuse not to actually consider the life or experience that conditioned the character of his later career and world-historically dreadful catastrophes and crimes against humanity associated with his period of success in leadership. His regiment spent most of the war in and around Ypres--saw more action than most divisions and his regiment is one of the regiments where total casualty figures over the course of the war are pretty ambiguous (ie. a reserve regiment) but seem likely to have had a greater than 100% burn rate (basically everyone starting off in 1914 including the officers died, got wounded badly enough to be relieved from combat duty permanently and was replaced...with Hitler being one of the very few exceptions). Had he not been a runner, in other words, it is something like a near actuarial certainty that he would have either died or gone home much earlier. In his first few weeks as a runner, out of the 8 runners that his division started off with, only three survived into the year 1915.
Without meaning any disrespect to Weber's scholarship (despite finding my own view closer to the main current of consensus history presented by Ullrich's recent scholarly standard), I would advance that presenting Hitler's military career as less harrowing than the average German soldier's or as a comparatively easy tour would be....precisely and diametrically opposite to the picture that emerges when all available documents and all available testimony is looked at together.
And so, if no one objects, I'll be deleting the second clause of that sentence mentioned above. ThomasMikael ( talk) 19:57, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
"His father beat him, although his mother tried to protect him." If this journal exists, we're taking a MSM article's word on Adolf Hitler's family dynamics. This does not belong on this website; please confirm and remove this if no better source is found. Protect the integrity of this website and do a better job on this page, everyone. Note: only Extended Confirmed Users can edit this, so I can only say something about this. CazadorDeLobo ( talk) 06:27, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
@ Dianaa, Herr Hitler’s paintings have a dedicated article and, at least in the 2010s, regularly sold for tens or hundreds of thousands of U.S. dollars. My edit added a single clause - not even a sentence - to the lede mentioning this. Why is his time as a painter unworthy of less than a sentence in the lede of the article? Asperthrow ( talk) 01:35, 28 August 2023 (UTC)
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I request to edit his death date. 2405:3800:83B:5D4C:60BF:60FF:FE7F:ED76 ( talk) 11:27, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Why isn't there a colorized image of Hitler at the beginning of the page? Why don't we just use this file: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hitler_portrait_crop_(colorized).jpg EditorEpic ( talk) 13:12, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
Even though he is Austrian-born indeed, he renounced his Austrian citizenship in 1925 to become a German citizen, having lived in Germany since 1913. Also, according to MOS:ETHNICITY, one's ethnicity should not be listed on the first sentence of an article because it doesn't impact on the way one self identifies with. That's not how I view it, that's how Wikipedia views it. Zapho653 ( talk) 23:05, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
It doesn’t describe him as a painter in the introduction. 2600:2B00:8D6A:6300:BD23:7689:5023:D9D4 ( talk) 17:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
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change [Chancellor of Germany] to [Reichskanzler of Germany], as that's the official name, and used in other members of the chancellorship. Also "Chancellor" itself is incorrect due to it historically being "Imperial Chancellor", although "Reichskanzler" fits fine. I've already made these edits to several other chancellors but clearly can't edit this one due to the protection. Justyourkamerad ( talk) 01:07, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
This main AH article points out that Hitler was "released early" from his trial and conviction of his beer hall 'putsch' / coup attempt. The wiki article on the putsch riot itself does point out that he only served 9 months. I think that this main article on AH should specifically make the point, and say he only served 9 months (less than even a year), on a five year sentence. Not simply that he was "released early". Released early can easily be interpreted as perhaps a year or two getting shaved off a longer sentence. (It is likely that his fellow German citizens saw the very short prison stay as a light slap on the wrist, and therefore that "this fine fellow might not be all that bad after all!) FWIW. 2600:1700:BF10:69D0:AC90:34F4:B23:4604 ( talk) 14:39, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
I'm guessing the "time on remand" accounts for the discrepancy between nine months and "just over a year". In any case, it's not "on [sic] a five year sentence"; it's "OF a five-year sentence". "ON" is not an all-purpose preposition. TheScotch ( talk) 15:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
I write not to re-open what has been an extensive set of discussions about the precise wording of the lead, but to inquire if someone could summarize briefly why or how the wording was decided (guiding principles): Adolf Hitler was an Austrian-born German politician who was the dictator of Germany... I have been thinking specifically about labels in leads of late, and how oftentimes such labels are misused, or, indeed, just rather odd (e.g., Lee Harvey Oswald was a U.S. Marine veteran... or Charles Milles Manson was an American criminal, cult leader and musician...). In this article, you all have selected "politician" and "dictator" as the initial labels for Hitler. I thought "politician" was odd...a politician (IMO) being someone who crafts policy solutions to difficult societal issues through argument and compromise; doesn't seem what AH is notable for. Looking over some of the past discussions, the phrase "what he is known for" is often used, whereas, I think more precisely "what he is notable for" should be the guiding rule for lead sentences. (If it were me, I would rewrite the lead sentence as: "Adolf Hitler was the Austrian-born dictator of Germany..." since I don't view Hitler as a notable politician (he more often did things by threats, force, and violence?) and "German politician" is redundant if he is dictator of Germany. And brevity. But that's not why I post this inquiry.) We are working on an essay: Wikipedia talk:Crime labels. As a suggestion, the Donald Trump article Talk page has a box at the top that lists the numerous points of consensus on hard-fought issues to fend off the problem of resolved issues being continually reopened; perhaps this article could use such a box? Bdushaw ( talk) 12:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Obsessive compulsive, I can't stand it and make a suggestion for a revision of the first paragraph of the lead. I recognize and acknowledge that there has already been extensive discussion about this...but the paragraph seems redundant and not on point. I'll just make the suggestion and let you all sort out whether it is worth it or not.
Presently the lead is:
I propose this lead:
There. I've done my duty. :) Bdushaw ( talk) 20:08, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
his suicide at the end of World War II in 1945is also redundant and forces the latter sentence to use the phrasing
war in Europe (1939-1945)which is also less than ideal. ~ F4U ( talk • they/it) 00:08, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
I'll list the changes I made and the reasons for them. (1) I view starting the lead with "Austrian-born German politician" is off the mark. Is "Austrian-born" so important that it must start the lead? I read through some of the talk archives, I am not the first to question labeling Hitler a "politician". A whitewash; grossly misleading. (2) I somewhat agree that "totalitarian dictator" is redundant, but it was easy to find that it has a not so uncommon usage. Seems appropriate for this dictator. (3) Reorder the sentences so that the Holocaust, obviously more important than describing how Hitler came to power, is stated up front. (I've noted that Wikipedians often "bury the lead".) (4) Added "in 1921" to be more informative and to write parallel phrasing to subsequent phrases. (5) deleted "during his dictatorship"; not needed. (6) Changed "initiated" to "precipitated". The invasion of Poland was the culmination of several years of obvious steps toward war; by the time of the invasion, war was almost a foregone conclusion, widely expected. General: Contemplating this lead, I note that it is acting as a lead for the lead, to a large extent. It, in fact, states points redundant with the other paragraphs. I would suggest breaking the treaty of Versailles by rearming Germany, Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, etc might make better, less redundant points for the first paragraph of the lead. In short...I think you all can do better. But that's it for me; I am not in an argumentative mood - I just like things to be well written. (and I would still like to hear your opinions on how/why the lead labels were used; it's for a project...) Bdushaw ( talk) 14:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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Known as the most hated man in history for being a tyrannical dictator Hansserd ( talk) 19:07, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
Austrian German has got NOTHING to do with dialect! Hitler was from Braunau am Inn - the dialect there is Westmittelbairisch (as classified in science). Bavarian is spoken in almost all of Austria, minus Vorarlberg. With regard to dialect, there is nothing called :Austrian" - instead the dialects are named after the region where they are spoken. 45.65.90.136 ( talk) 18:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
Hitler's German language 45.65.90.136 ( talk) 18:57, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
There he acquired the distinctive lower Bavarian dialect, rather than Austrian German, which marked his speech throughout his life.It doesn't say he spoke "Austrian" it says he spoke the Bavarian dialect. It also only refers to Bavarian as an actual dialect. Austrian German isn't referred to as a dialect - it links to our article on it which makes it clear that it is not a dialect but just a variety of Standard German. So, as far as I can see, the article is consistent with what you are saying. What am I missing? DeCausa ( talk) 20:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone, I was wondering what people thought of adding the theory of Hitler faking his suicide and moving to South America to the page. It's not one I believe myself but there are plenty of people who do and thus writings about such a theory. Let me know if this is worth researching and adding, Thanks. B1GMelman613 ( talk) 14:43, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
His official title was Fuhrer, not “dictator”. “Dictator” is what his opponents label him, and not his official title. Let’s not be biased here. Rizzle685 ( talk) 19:18, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
reaching a consistent treatment of such political figures- the consistency lies in basing articles on the balance of best sources for each figure, filtered through the same editorial process. I'm no expert on Mao, but it's possible that his need to exercise power through the CCP and other agencies, and the less visible power structures of PRC mean that sources place less emphasis on his 'absolute' power. Stalin wasn't initially a dictator, though he became one, which his article reflects. Castro, for many reasons, is much less commonly called a dictator by neutral sources than the others you mention. The "one size fits all" approach doesn't necessarily work. It would be very hard to find any source that didn't characterise Hitler as a dictator though. Pincrete ( talk) 10:33, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
Is Führer a prefix ? for that matter, is Duce a prefix? Nobody ever says "Führer Adolf Hitler" or "Duce Benito Mussolini" do they? They are both either referred to by their names, or "der Führer/il Duce" are they not? Pincrete ( talk) 16:39, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
proposal to change the first words of the article from:
"was an Austrian-born German politician" to "was an Austrian-born German politician and, for a brief time, also a painter" Zoppozoppo ( talk) 16:52, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
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In my view the article should have a short segment outlining/summarizing Hitler's political views. Adding a link onto a longer article is fine but imo there needs to be something on the page itself. Firestar47 ( talk) 10:29, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
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I am requesting to add more about the way Hitler died,, though, yes, he did shoot himself in the head with a sidearm, and yes, his new wife did take a cyanide capsule, but, it was the Minister of Hitler Youth who found them dead. Afterwards, they put Hitler and his wife in an Artillery Hole, where they poured gasoline on it and burnt their corpses, they then buried it and Russian Soldiers then dug it up since it was fresh dirt, where they stole the body. TheFrenchyPari ( talk) 23:20, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I just created/translated the page " Naturalization of Adolf Hitler" (from dewiki + new english references and some customization). Could we reference to it on this page, perhaps with a wl in the "Personal life" section, in some way?
The naturalization of Adolf Hitler is a very intriguing history indeed. Like a soap opera or a sitcom. XD
Regards and thank you all for the attention given to me. LucaLindholm ( talk) 17:23, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
The sentence "Many victims of the Holocaust were murdered in gas chambers, while others died of starvation or disease or while working as slave labourers." should be updated to say " Many victims of the Holocaust were murdered in gas chambers, while others died of starvation or disease or while working as slave labourers, or killed in mass shootings." Mchcopl ( talk) 07:04, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi there. It is now more accepted to use Antisemitism instead of the outdated 'Anti-semitism'. The latter was a term created as a pseudo-scientific explanation for the hatred of Jews, often associated with the Nazi ideology of racial classification ( https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/spelling-antisemitism / https://www.adl.org/spelling-antisemitism-vs-anti-semitism). Thanks 81.108.69.245 ( talk) 01:09, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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"Nazi official Hans Frank suggested that Alois's mother had been employed as a housekeeper by a Jewish family in Graz."
This is wrong. Frank did not suggest this. He described it as the accussation which he investigated for Hitler. Frank himself said that he did not believe it to be true, and that he did not find any support for this. The article should be corrected. 47.156.172.168 ( talk) 23:06, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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I have removed content sourced to this article, where it states that at the time, the term "Nazi" was considered derogatory, because there's a German word "Naczi", "which was an insulting term for a 'foolish clumsy person'". I don't think we should mention that it was considered derogatory, because while it's an interesting bit of trivia, it's too much detail for an article about Hitler. This article is already too long, so including off-topic details is not a good idea in my opinion. The term is no longer considered derogatory as far as I am aware, and explaining why they found it to be so is way off-topic. Perhaps consider including it at Nazi Party instead? Discussion welcome. — Diannaa ( talk) 13:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
"Hitler and the Nazi regime were also responsible for the deliberate killing of an estimated 19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war. In addition, 28.7 million soldiers and civilians died as a result of military action in the European theatre."
Two words "In addition" seem to be typo error, because if we add 10 million Chinese killed besides millions of Japanese, Americans and other Asians and Africans, total killed in WW2 will be around 70 million, but most of the sources say 50 millions. Hence there is nearly 20 million discrepancy. Therefore, the above segment should be thus:-
"Hitler and the Nazi regime were also responsible for the deliberate killing of an estimated 19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war. 28.7 million soldiers and civilians (which includes 19.3 million civilians and prisoners of war, besides 9.4 millions soldiers in Europe) died as a result of military action in the European theatre." VJha ( talk) 02:23, 28 April 2024 (UTC) (Vinay Jha)
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