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I'm proposing that the lead photo (in SS uniform) be replaced w/ the photo in the Trial section. The subject's notoriety is largely from his capture & trial, so this image would be more recognizable. Separately, the later photo summarizes Eichmann's life, instead of presenting him as almost a propaganda icon. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 20:57, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Those in favor of the older photo say he should be represented by a picture wearing his uniform of the Nazi regime, not only because they believe he is most well known for the part he played in the holocaust (the reason he ended up in trial), but also because it helps the reader quickly identify the subject's place in history.
While both arguments are solid and follow MOS:LEADIMAGE, the discussion has shown that most editors believe that the 1942 photo would better suit the article and its readers. Editors did note that the 1961 photo could be used in the body of the article.
--( non-admin closure) Isabelle 🏳🌈 02:55, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Should the infobox use A: 1942 photo, B: 1961 photo, or C: 1961 (zoomed in)?
For background, please see discussion above: #Lead_photo. The two images are included below. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 13:35, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Edit: as suggested below, I added Option C. Since it's a variant of the same 1961 image, I would ask the closer to treat B+C as one result. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 22:21, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Also, where does this end? I see recent changes, or attempts to change, the lead images of Göring, Mengele & Himmler. Will this extend to the entire Nazi High Command? Every German officer from WWII? What about other military uniforms that can be associated with mass-death? Russians of the Stalinist or Empire era? Napoleon's Grand Armée? The Khmer Rouge? This is an encycopaedia, we shouldn't be removing image content just because we don't like it. (Or are even disgusted by it.) imo - wolf 01:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Added 'survey' header above for clarity, and moved one vote previously interpolated in the middle of the lead into the survey section. Mathglot ( talk) 20:08, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Tried to add option C: (1961 photo zoomed), but was not able to get it to display the same in both desktop and mobile view, so adding it here instead. Mathglot ( talk) 20:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Comment: I have solicited opinions at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history for this RFC.
Mathglot, I have moved your survey opinion to the correct section, I hope you don't mind. —
Diannaa (
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Since there's a paywall on Ofer Aderet's Haaretz article, which anyway is based on a Süddeutsche Zeitung article, it would be better to replace the Aderet reference (and perhaps its mention in the bibliography) with a reference to the translation of the SZ article [1] which currently doesn't have a paywall. There are several several other articles without paywalls based on the SZ article, among them these [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcljlm ( talk • contribs) 17:56, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
References
Other than replacing the word 'removal' with 'dissolution', the excerpt below comes verbatim from military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann and the article doesn't cite that webpage. Is that okay because it's a 'wiki' or is that plagiarism?
"During this time, he joined the Jungfrontkämpfervereinigung, the youth section of Hermann Hiltl's right-wing veterans movement, and began reading newspapers published by the Nazi Party. The party platform included the dissolution of the Weimar Republic in Germany, rejection of the terms of the Treaty of Versailles, radical antisemitism, and anti-Bolshevism. They promised a strong central government, increased Lebensraum (living space) for Germanic peoples, formation of a national community based on race, and racial cleansing via the active suppression of Jews, who would be stripped of their citizenship and civil rights." Niccast ( talk) 21:46, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Not sure how this works, someone reverting an adjustment i made, twice. Really seems to me it should be "percent" as in how much it is a part (percentage) of, instead of per cent, so much for every cent (?). G Wijnsma ( talk) 22:10, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Arendt’s famous book on Eichmann makes some discussion on his support of Zionism (it was a way to get the Jews to leave Germany and achieve Judenfrei). An awkward part of the article to be sure, and one to be done with care, but something that seems likely to be worth addressing. 2601:601:A400:B5F5:A12E:AF06:499F:2B6B ( talk) 15:24, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
Why would the name of the doctor who played in a critical role in subduing Eichmann that allowed his notorious extradition not be relevant to his Wikipedia page? Especially when there's an entire subsection dedicated to his capture in Argentina. MumpsimusManchuMagi ( talk) 00:15, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
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I'm proposing that the lead photo (in SS uniform) be replaced w/ the photo in the Trial section. The subject's notoriety is largely from his capture & trial, so this image would be more recognizable. Separately, the later photo summarizes Eichmann's life, instead of presenting him as almost a propaganda icon. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 20:57, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Those in favor of the older photo say he should be represented by a picture wearing his uniform of the Nazi regime, not only because they believe he is most well known for the part he played in the holocaust (the reason he ended up in trial), but also because it helps the reader quickly identify the subject's place in history.
While both arguments are solid and follow MOS:LEADIMAGE, the discussion has shown that most editors believe that the 1942 photo would better suit the article and its readers. Editors did note that the 1961 photo could be used in the body of the article.
--( non-admin closure) Isabelle 🏳🌈 02:55, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Should the infobox use A: 1942 photo, B: 1961 photo, or C: 1961 (zoomed in)?
For background, please see discussion above: #Lead_photo. The two images are included below. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 13:35, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Edit: as suggested below, I added Option C. Since it's a variant of the same 1961 image, I would ask the closer to treat B+C as one result. -- K.e.coffman ( talk) 22:21, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Also, where does this end? I see recent changes, or attempts to change, the lead images of Göring, Mengele & Himmler. Will this extend to the entire Nazi High Command? Every German officer from WWII? What about other military uniforms that can be associated with mass-death? Russians of the Stalinist or Empire era? Napoleon's Grand Armée? The Khmer Rouge? This is an encycopaedia, we shouldn't be removing image content just because we don't like it. (Or are even disgusted by it.) imo - wolf 01:42, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Added 'survey' header above for clarity, and moved one vote previously interpolated in the middle of the lead into the survey section. Mathglot ( talk) 20:08, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Tried to add option C: (1961 photo zoomed), but was not able to get it to display the same in both desktop and mobile view, so adding it here instead. Mathglot ( talk) 20:34, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Comment: I have solicited opinions at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history for this RFC.
Mathglot, I have moved your survey opinion to the correct section, I hope you don't mind. —
Diannaa (
talk)
22:53, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Since there's a paywall on Ofer Aderet's Haaretz article, which anyway is based on a Süddeutsche Zeitung article, it would be better to replace the Aderet reference (and perhaps its mention in the bibliography) with a reference to the translation of the SZ article [1] which currently doesn't have a paywall. There are several several other articles without paywalls based on the SZ article, among them these [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcljlm ( talk • contribs) 17:56, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
References
Other than replacing the word 'removal' with 'dissolution', the excerpt below comes verbatim from military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Adolf_Eichmann and the article doesn't cite that webpage. Is that okay because it's a 'wiki' or is that plagiarism?
"During this time, he joined the Jungfrontkämpfervereinigung, the youth section of Hermann Hiltl's right-wing veterans movement, and began reading newspapers published by the Nazi Party. The party platform included the dissolution of the Weimar Republic in Germany, rejection of the terms of the Treaty of Versailles, radical antisemitism, and anti-Bolshevism. They promised a strong central government, increased Lebensraum (living space) for Germanic peoples, formation of a national community based on race, and racial cleansing via the active suppression of Jews, who would be stripped of their citizenship and civil rights." Niccast ( talk) 21:46, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Not sure how this works, someone reverting an adjustment i made, twice. Really seems to me it should be "percent" as in how much it is a part (percentage) of, instead of per cent, so much for every cent (?). G Wijnsma ( talk) 22:10, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Arendt’s famous book on Eichmann makes some discussion on his support of Zionism (it was a way to get the Jews to leave Germany and achieve Judenfrei). An awkward part of the article to be sure, and one to be done with care, but something that seems likely to be worth addressing. 2601:601:A400:B5F5:A12E:AF06:499F:2B6B ( talk) 15:24, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
Why would the name of the doctor who played in a critical role in subduing Eichmann that allowed his notorious extradition not be relevant to his Wikipedia page? Especially when there's an entire subsection dedicated to his capture in Argentina. MumpsimusManchuMagi ( talk) 00:15, 9 January 2024 (UTC)