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Some of the news source like Slate and Al Jazeera start calling this event the Third Intifada.
Example of it: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/05/israel-palestine-third-intifada.html CrusaderToonamiUK ( talk) 16:45, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Is This the Third Intifada?); it doesn't state that it is, it says that it might become it, and specifically lists some reasons why it might not. Definitely not enough to call it that in the article voice yet, and clearly WP:UNDUE for the lead as long as it's just speculative. -- Aquillion ( talk) 18:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Al Jazeera is Qatari state news, and Qatar is involved first as the Hamas activities are commanded from Doha. And Doha provided safeheaven for Hamas operations and operatives. Obviously Al Jazeera should be taken as the least serious source of information. https://thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/15/05/2021/Foreign-Minister-meets-head-of-Hamas-Political-Bureau-in-Doha -- Rectangular dome ( talk) 18:45, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Recently Scroll the Indian news source also coined the term the Third Intifada.
https://scroll.in/article/995100/israel-palestine-conflict-are-we-witnessing-the-early-stages-of-a-third-intifada CrusaderToonamiUK ( talk) 15:47, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
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Please update the casualties infobox:
In the right-hand side, under "Gaza", "change 20ā130 militants killed" to "20ā130+ militants killed", per the BBC source provided.
In the right-hand side, under "East Jerusalem", add "1 Palestinian Killed"
In the left-hand side, add a new section "East Jerusalem", containing "6 Israeli's Injured".
Per Reuters. BilledMammal ( talk) 07:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC) It's already 150+ anyways.(ps. They keep Israel data low for criticsmĀ ;-) that s why they cite Hamas so much, but when it comes to Israel they have more doubts than philosophers.) -- Rectangular dome ( talk) 09:01, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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In the Diplomacy section, please add note of the statement from the USA and UK, saying that Israel has a right to defend itself.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-israel-has-right-to-respond-to-rockets-palestinians-have-right-to-safety/ Ester9001 ( talk) 15:40, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
There has been very little coverage as far as I can see in the foreign press of the outcome of the ruse (and it was, from a purely military perspective very shrewd in its potential for a winning blow) concerning an imminent invasion. We have 3 sources (St atesman) saying it was a major success but now note Maariv states that it was subsequently judged to have been a failure or to have fallen far short of its aims. [1]. Worth keeping an eye out for some reliable report in English on this. Nishidani ( talk) 15:57, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I noticed that children Palestinian casualties keeps getting removed from the infobox. But on the Israeli side we have a breakdown by both nationality (mentioning Indian and Thai) and breakdown by ethnicity (mentioning Arab-Israeli). I think we are going to do a demographic breakdown we should be consistent, otherwise we should only breakdown by combatant and non-combatant. VR talk 16:02, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Hamas ofcourse controls the hospitals and ministry of health which publishes the death certificates and has been accused by Israel of fabricating and inflating number of child deaths. Perhaps that is why it was removed? Ester9001 ( talk) 17:30, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Any suggestion that the Palestinian Ministry of Health inflates child death figures is an anti-Palestinian conspiracy theory. Think how many people would need to be in such a conspiracy to allow this to happen. People who donāt understand the region seem to think that every person in the Gaza administrative bureaucracy is somehow a Hamas militant.
They publish names, locations, ages etc on a regular basis. This type of information is very difficult to fabricate.
If you want additional evidence, note this desperately sad tweet from the
Norwegian Refugee Council today:
[3] We sadly confirmed today that 11 of over 60 children killed by Israeli air strikes in #Gaza over the last week were participating in our programme helping them deal with trauma. All of the children between 5 and 15 years old were killed in their homes
. If just one NGO had been treating 11 of the children, it is entirely reasonable that another 50 children had died given the scale of Gazaās population.
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In total, 212 people, including 61 children and 36 women, have been killed in Gaza since last Monday, according to the Palestinian health ministry. ... United Nations officials said Monday that 116 civilians, including 61 children and three pregnant women, had been killed in Gaza since Israel launched its military operation last week. ... A spokesman for the Gaza health ministry denied manipulating figures, saying it has the names of everyone killed in Gaza and could verify those with international organizations.UN doesn't seem to verify MOH's figures. I guess we could give both sets, however, but I imagine they will be verified once it stops being a current event so don't see the point. Or just attribute separately. ProcSock ( talk) 22:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I think it should be included, perhaps with attribution if other editors feel like it is warranted. CPCEnjoyer ( talk) 14:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
All disputes of neutrality is highlighted in a Bold Italic.
In 2.4 (Arab communities in Israel), it states "In Acre, a Jewish man was attacked and seriously injured by an Arab mob armed with sticks and stones while driving his car. In Bat Yam, Jewish extremists attacked Arab stores and beat pedestrians. An Arab motorist was also beaten in the street, an incident which was caught live by an Israeli news crew. An Israeli soldier was severely beaten in Jaffa, and two civilians including a paramedic and a police officer were shot by Arab assailants in Lod and Ramla. An Israeli news crew was attacked by Jewish extremists in Tel Aviv, and a Jewish family which mistakenly drove into Umm al-Fahm was attacked by a mob before being rescued by other local residents and police."
Usage of "Arab mob" or "Arab assailant" is a possible dispute of neutrality. Using the word Arab could impose that the editor is an anti-Arab. I suggest that "Arab-extremist" be used instead of just using "Arab" as for it sounds as if all Arabs are extremists.
ā Chxeese ( talk) 18:41, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
There is a sentence that does not make sense as follows; can a qualified editor please fix "The land was taken and destroyed by the Jordanian government following the 1948 ArabāIsraeli War.[66]" land has not been destroyed. Perhaps they mean the buildings on the land were destroyed. The Irish Times article cited says the land was "razed". The meaning of that is also unclear but it might mean buildings on the land were razed. The Irish Times article goes on to say "The Palestinian families facing eviction moved ā also legally, according to the Jordanian government ā into the houses before Israel took East Jerusalem in 1967." So if the buildings were "razed" or destroyed" were new buildings built after 1948. If there are no answers to the questions the sentence could simply be removed. Caferoma ( talk) 06:09, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Gaza-Israel Fatalities timeline
Can we please make this into a table? Frankly, using slashes as delimiters is not the way we do things on Wikipedia. Also keep a reference column so we can always verify the reference(s) for each day, as references for Gaza and Israel may be separate. Also, add a total to the bottom that aligns with what we are showing on the infobox. If the war continues for multiple weeks, we could turn this into the basis of a new article just for casualties. ItsGrrreat ( talk) 12:50, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Gaza | West Bank | Israel | ||
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Jewish Israelis | Palestinian Israelis | |||
10 May | 28 | ? | 3 | |
11 May | 4 | ? | 1 | |
12 May | 21 | ? | 4 | |
13 May | 34 | ? | 2 | |
14 May | 39 | ? | 0 | |
15 May | 13 | ? | 1 | |
16 May | 53 | ? | 0 | |
17 May | 20 | ? | 1 |
Onceinawhile ( talk) 15:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Not sure if differentiation between Palestinian Israelis and Jewish Israelis is meaningful, as some Arab-Israelis that were killed were killed by Gaza rockets, while one was killed during protests against Israel. Also, three of civilian casualties in Israel were not Israeli citizens. I think this table should focus more on where they were killed, rather than trying to establish affiliation. ItsGrrreat ( talk) 22:02, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
The Dar Yusuf Nasri Jacir for Art and Research suffered extensive damage caused by a raid of Israeli forces. Any help improving the article would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley ( talk) 15:25, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Why is there not a single picture of a rocket shot from Gaza to Israel (the ones that actually made it to the ground)? Why is there only a picture of the media building, which was used as a human/status shield for Hamas (to fire rockets right next to the building, knowing full well that Israel would be reluctant to conduct an air strike on it because they would get backlash)? The caption reads "Aftermath of Israeli bombing of a building in Gaza, 14 May 2021" in the causes it says " - Planned decision by the Supreme Court of Israel on the eviction of four Palestinian families in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah." " - Closure of the Damascus Gate by Israeli authorities" And " - Storming of the al-Aqsa Mosque by Israeli police"
Why can't it explain that the main reason it was bombed was that Hamas was firing rockets right next to the building(!)?
Iād like to suggest changing āevictionsā in the second paragraph of the intro to any of āforced removalā, āforced displacementā or ādispossessionā. Terms like āevictionā and āproperty disputeā are sanitized to the point of being misleading, and donāt adequately portray the facts on the ground or the legality of the situation. The fact that these terms are strongly preferred by one party (the occupying power) should give us serious pause re: WP:NPOV.
I have a number of sources to support this change, generally endorsed by WP:RSP:
From the International Court of Justice: āIsrael: ICC must investigate forced displacement of Palestinians in Sheikh Jarrah and attacks against civilians in Gazaā
From CBS News: āThe United Nations Commission for Human Rights has called the forced removal of Palestinian families a potential war crime. Israeli officials have called it a āreal-estate dispute between private parties.āā
From Al Jazeera: āSheikh Jarrah residents speak out on Israelās forced expulsionsā
From Haaretz: āDemocrats Urge U.S. to Act Against Israel's 'Abhorrent' East Jerusalem Evictions: Several Democratic lawmakers are calling for an investigation on whether Israelās āforced displacement for Palestiniansā violates U.S. lawsā
I do not want to start people foruming, I just think this merits discussion and probably a change. I think āforced removalā is a more accurate legal description; āevictionā is better suited to a more banal dispute over residential tenancies. WillowCity ( talk) 20:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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The reason for the crisis is mostly the Hamas firing rockets onto Jerusalem and Tel Aviv 188.64.207.189 ( talk) 07:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
So I can recommend adding the hostility were initiated by Hamas launching hundreds of rockets, which is well documented for anyone who read the press. And you can add, Hamas justify its attack on a b & c. Anything else is Stockholm syndrome.Ā :-)-- Rectangular dome ( talk) 10:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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In the "Lebanon and Syria" subsection of "Escalation", within the first line, the words 'from' and 'the' do not have a space inbetween them.
On 13 May at least three rockets were fired fromthe coastal area of Qlaileh just South of the Palestinian refugee camp of Rashidieh in the Southern Lebanese district of Tyre across the IsraeliāLebanese border, landing in the Mediterranean Sea. Hezbollah denied responsibility for the rocket launches and Lebanese Army troops were deployed to the area around the refugee camp, finding several rockets there. Change to: On 13 May at least three rockets were fired from the coastal area of Qlaileh just South of the Palestinian refugee camp of Rashidieh in the Southern Lebanese district of Tyre across the IsraeliāLebanese border, landing in the Mediterranean Sea. Hezbollah denied responsibility for the rocket launches and Lebanese Army troops were deployed to the area around the refugee camp, finding several rockets there. zer0 talk 08:19, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
...the compound of the al-Aqsa Mosque, the third-holiest site in Islam, located on the Temple Mount, which is sacred in Judaism
Why does this sentence clarify the Al-Aqsa Mosque as the third holiest site in Islam, but simply says the Temple Mount is 'sacred in Judaism'? It is the holiest site in Judaism. I believe the article should say the cite is sacred for both faiths, or clarify both parties' relationship with the location. 2A10:8002:83AE:0:C455:1029:DB39:1637 ( talk) 12:39, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Btw you can also add positive stories in your cover. Eg, the Jew killed by "protesters", who gave his kidney to an Arab woman. Or the Arab paramedic who saved a Jew stabbed and lynched in Tamra last week. https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-riot-victims-kidney-gives-new-lease-of-life-to-arab-woman/ -- Rectangular dome ( talk) 15:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
The original request is Ā Done. Another one for a different subject may be added in the usual way.
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Second paragraph should read 'right-wing' as opposed to 'Far-Right' Jewish nationalists - it is a large march which encompasses Jews from various levels on the spectrum. Does source specifically say 'far-right'?
First sentence of third paragraph reads as if Israel should have been expected to accept the ultimatum issued, perhaps consider restructuring the sentence.
Finally please change 'airstrikes on Gaza' to 'on targets in Gaza'. Israel didn't 'strike Gaza', that surely breaches impartiality guidelines. Durdyfiv1 ( talk) 02:43, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Two of the three sources specifically mention 'far-right. " David O. Johnson ( talk) 03:29, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Caferoma ( talk) 06:09, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Yeah David, two left-wing sources and a third which I've noticed doesn't qualify as a reliable source. The editorial position on this page is quite frankly ridiculous. Durdyfiv1 ( talk) 14:21, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Or we could try using sources that aren't generally anti-Israel when referring to Israeli events... That may also work. Durdyfiv1 ( talk) 01:12, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-20-2021/
-- Ester9001 ( talk) 19:22, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Fingers crossed there's no backsliding. Selfstudier ( talk) 22:40, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Is the "Caused by" section of the info box biased? From reading the current three causes is seems the Israeli side caused the crisis alone. I think this needs to be expanded with the referenced information in the section "Background". For example the often delayed election dates in the Palestinian areas could be mentioned. What do you think? 2001:56A:F868:D500:8001:CCDB:C527:D60 ( talk) 04:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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Please change the timing of the conflict from:
(2 weeks and 1 day)
To
(2 weeks and 1 day)
Because the conflict has been ended with armstice 182.1.16.166 ( talk) 05:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
So, In sort, Egypt brokered a cease-fire between Israel and Palestine. Here is the full text for said deal https://www.haaretz.com/the-egyptian-cease-fire-proposal-1.5255539
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210520-israel-confirms-unconditional-gaza-ceasefire-agreed-with-hamas Also, Egypt was enacting alot of pressure on Israel and the United States https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/19/politics/biden-netanyahu-relationship/index.html there are already 2 committees from Egypt as of now monitoring the situation, This is a very good win for Egypt and I think it should be mentioned, because they insisted that the Ceasefire would come into effect at 2 o'clock the same exact hour where Egyptian Forces overran the Bar Lev line and inaugurated the New Suez Canal, it is clearly meant to be a message, also, the amount of medical aid sent via the Rafah Crossing should be mentioned as well as Israel tried to shut it down, but Egypt refused.
All in all, I think the part of Egypt should be acknowledged in this.
I think that it MUST be mentioned in the diplomacy section, Because Egypt in the more detailed article is very empty, and the last thing that came from it is I think the 13th of May, but how so if the major participant and the ones who sponsored, created, and provided this ceasefire proposal is Egypt? I mean, its mentioned by France24, like I linked, and the UN Chief https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/05/1092372
As for the Rafah Border Crossing, the best I got for that is only some local Arab Sources and Anonymous Secruity personeel, however, I think it is verified that an Israeli and Egyptian committee did meet to discuss the border and the fact that the Rafah Border Crossing can provide logistical support to Hamas must be met with force, Egypt apparently had its committe leave and said that there would be no Border Crossing that being shut, it is now indefientnly open, and as for the 2 O'clock thing, while it could be a coincidence, I think its too specific for that, because Apparently the Egyptians insisted very much on it being on 2, a weird and specific time for that, but it could be a message.
There's countries that support one side over the other, the U.S supports Israel, Iran supports Palestine, etc. Should we put those in the parties to civil conflict? Countries that have actually done something in support of one of the parties should be placed imo, not just people who says Israel has a right to self defense or Palestine has a right to exist. For example, to clarify anything, the United States sold $750+ million dollars of weapons to Israel during this conflict and supports Israel, so they can be placed under Supported (Israel) or something. Austria, which just said they support Israel but haven't gotten involved, is not needed. āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:182:381:6820:310B:5AF5:1204:9F40 ( talk) 12:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Isn't this technically a war? This is certainly more than a conflict if they are launching rockets at each other.
I think you misunderstand me, the Gaza War I recently voted to change it to that from conflict. I didn't have any choice because so many RS were describing it like that. However, logically speaking it makes no sense to call the larger problem a conflict while describing an interim event as a war. Selfstudier ( talk) 16:42, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Sources have to first call it a war before we rename it to that, I think itās better if we split this article to one for Palestinian protests against Israel in the west bank, and one for the ongoing intensifying conflict between Gaza and Israel. Some sources seem to be calling the ongoing intensification between gaza and israel a major conflict. Ridax2020 ( talk) 18:34, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
There has been a new violent raid on Al-Aqsa mosque. if this is counted as a violation of the ceasefire it could me renewed fighting. Check citation [1] 146.115.75.143 ( talk) 15:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
You have an issue whereby you quote left-wing, often anti-Israel sources about Israeli matters. The agreement under Oslo was that matters pertaining to security at the compound be handed over to Israel. Don't post propaganda when you can post facts. Durdyfiv1 ( talk) 20:17, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, not quote, I meant cite - you cited CNN. What Oslo proposed would only come into effect once, and only if, the Palestinians accepted peace but it was violated and doesn't really hold any weight. Agree on Shrike's point. Durdyfiv1 ( talk) 19:48, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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I have seen many news article cite the ceasefire as end of ā11-day warā including AP, Chicago Tribune, SCMP ,etc. As least I think very few people would consider this as just a ācrisisā following many rockets and strikes. I would support name change to conflict or war. Thitut ( talk) 16:46, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
We will need a retrospective Damage assessment section now that estimates are flowing in (the NYTs update article I cited mentions 1,000 homes destroyed in Gaza. Of course the section should be divided into Palestinian and Israeli. It can incorporate also material from the Casualties section. Nishidani ( talk) 17:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Hamas history During the 1980s, Hamas sprang from the Muslim Brotherhood, through the 1990s, Hamas evolved as an armed force. After Oslo Accords were signed in 1993, Hamas carried out suicide bombings in Israel. Hamas is opposed to two-state solution, the map of Hamas for the state of Palestine includes the territories of Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank. Since the coup against Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in Gaza, every time Israel and Palestine fight, it is a military battle between Israeli forces and Hamasās Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades. Today, Hamas has emerged as the most powerful political entity in Palestine. [2]
I can't see any need for this. Hamas's background is thoroughly treated in the linked article to the name. Add it, and then one would have to add other articles about the history of Israel's occupation of Gaza, its withdrawal in 2005, its economic strangulation of the territory every since, after it disagreed with the outcome of the Palestinian elections, etc.etc.etc. Why not put then for balance, Israel's background or that of IDF. All you get is bloat. The source itself is marginal: its account is pointy (ignoring that Abbas, the US and Israel tried to stage a coup against Hamas after the latter won the election etc., and it was nipped in the bud by a counter-coup. We still have a lot of stuff to cover as the retrospective political, NGO and scholarly analyses flow/flood in. Nishidani ( talk) 09:58, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
This has been added into the lead but none of the sources say that Molotov cocktails were thrown. The only reference to them is in a BBC source (the last one) where it says they were stockpiled but then later only mentions the stone throwing.
I think we need a source specifically saying they were thrown, I find it odd that all the other sources don't mention this. Selfstudier ( talk) 11:15, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Shrike: Shrike, that source that you have added is not for the same event, that is for the more recent clash and what it says is "Palestinians threw stones and Molotov cocktails towards police near the Al-Aqsa Mosque complex" and then describes where Al-Aqsa is, it doesn't even say that the Palestinians were in the compound. So it would be good if you would revert that please. Selfstudier ( talk) 12:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Do we take this down? Or it needs to stay up a bit longer? Selfstudier ( talk) 18:54, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
I think the figure for 16 May (53) includes the casualties in the massive airstrikes on the residential buildings on 15 May when 42 were killed, many on al-Wehda Street Nishidani ( talk) 20:33, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
The article (section Escalation-Temple Mount) does not mention the fact that around 8:00ā9:00 am on the 10th of May 2021, several rocks were thrown from the Temple Mount plateau/Haram al-Sharif onto the Western Wall Plaza. At the time, the Jewish morning prayer was being held there by students of various Religious Zionist Yeshivot (religious colleges). In my opinion, the mention of this incident, which I have personally witnessed, could add some relevant background information to the police intervention in the al-Aqsa compound. Here are two news reports referring to the event: https://fox40.com/news/national-and-world-news/palestinians-israel-police-clash-at-jerusalem-site-53-hurt/ https://thewest.com.au/news/conflict/hundreds-of-palestinians-injured-in-israel-c-2799130 Elendil 03 ( talk) 21:55, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
I would recommend adding much on this in the context of the Israeli Police on the Temple Mount. There are quire a few links of stones stored in the al Aqsa mosque for the purpose of throwing on Jews at the Kotel down below. For example on Friday May 7, 2021 the police were there to stop the Arabs from trying to kill the Jews. The next night since there was outrage over the police action, some rocks made it over and the Kotel was evacuated. If anyone wants to gather the sources I think it would help even out the article. Saxophonemn ( talk) 12:19, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
@Selfstudier: Youāre right, the articles I linked to refer to the events of the previous day. I was looking for a report about the events I had witnessed, therefore, I forgot to check the date. Admittedly, there werenāt that many rocks (I counted three in my area), this is not something news typically make a fuss about (especially given the same thing had happened the day before). My impression was that the police intervention was in part meant to prevent stone throwing, but in certainly started before any successful attempt to do so judging from the noise. So I might very well have been wrong. Elendil 03 ( talk) 22:18, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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Hello, the allegation against Israel of damaging schools and hospitals is unfounded. Firstly, only the first ref of the long list of refs say so ( the others are there for decorating), and it's actually a quotation from an un envoy, not a forma statement. Secondly Israel has alleged, and provided footage, that some of the rockets fall short (ā25%)... Blaming Israel doesn't respect the NPOV.
Please change it to " according to an UN envoy hospitals and schools have been damaged, by Israeli airstrikes, which Israel deny, and accuses jihadists groups of carelessly shooting rockets from civilan area and falling short on palestinan area". This is supported by many declarations.
EgĀ : " The IDF says some of the Gaza civilian fatalities were killed by the terror groupsā own rockets falling short and exploding in Gaza." https://www.timesofisrael.com/rocket-fire-from-gaza-halts-for-8-hours-then-renews-as-idf-continues-airstrikes/amp/
-- Rectangular dome ( talk) 15:28, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
"More than 800 rockets were fired into Israel from Gaza since Monday, the IDF said, adding that 150 fell inside the Strip, and another 200 were intercepted by the Iron Dome." https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/cogat-announces-closure-of-gaza-border-crossing-over-rocket-fire-667730/
"Since the latest war erupted last week, Palestinian militants have fired more than 3,200 rockets at Israeli cities. Most were intercepted or fell short, in Gaza, but hundreds made it through." https://apnews.com/article/israel-middle-east-israel-palestinian-conflict-e57afb90dbc60ceda6c6cfa6888a4c5b
So far some 1,750 rockets have been fired at Israel, of which 300 fell short in the Gaza Strip, the Israeli military said. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-expects-spiralling-israel-gaza-conflict-end-soon-2021-05-12/
Since then Israel has attacked hundreds of targets in Gaza, causing earth-shaking explosions across the densely populated territory. Gaza militants have fired 1,800 rockets into Israel, including more than 400 that fell short or misfired, according to the military. https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20210514-israel-pounds-gaza-with-air-strikes-paving-way-for-potential-ground-invasion
"Hamas continued to launch rockets almost continuously into the southern part of the country. The Israeli military said more than 2,000 rockets had been fired from Gaza since the fighting began Monday, with about 400 of them falling short and landing in Gaza itself."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/israel-gaza-conflict-latest-updates/%3foutputType=amp
Hamas bombed the Gaza strip with hundreds of rockets, it's important to mention that, instead than partially take blind accusations whitout counterclaims.
Add "allegedly" on claims against Israel. There is absolutely no certainty on that information, it's an allegation (for now). NPOV obliged to not take side on allegations coming from both parties and their supports. -- Rectangular dome ( talk) 21:03, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
The edit request is hereĀ : "Please change it to " according to an UN envoy hospitals and schools have been damaged, by Israeli airstrikes, which Israel deny, and accuses jihadists groups of carelessly shooting rockets from civilan area and falling short on palestinan area"."
Please, change the line in the introduction to precise "according to an UN envoy" and " according to Israel hundreds of rockets have fallen short in the Gaza strip" ( 500 rockets could explain civilan casualties, so it's an important information)
The paragraph in Question, doesn't specify the source or the Israel sideĀ : " Israel began a campaign of airstrikes against Gaza; by 16 May, some 950 targeted attacks had demolished, completely or partially: 18 buildings including four high-rise towers, 40 schools and four hospitals, and also struck the al-Shati refugee camp.[39][40][41][42][43][44] In addition, at least 19 medical facilities have been damaged or destroyed by Israeli bombardment.[45] By 17 May, the United Nations estimated that Israel had demolished 94 buildings in Gaza, comprising 461 housing and commercial units.[46] " -- Rectangular dome ( talk) 19:27, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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"Israel has said it killed at least 225 militants during the fighting" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57195537.amp
The number of militants killed hasn't been updated for days in the infobox. Change "150" to "225+" -- Rectangular dome ( talk) 10:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
I personally think Hamas has a good interest in hiding that its "army" has been obliterated and exagerating civilian casualties. It can be a powerful propaganda .-- Rectangular dome ( talk) 17:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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The ceasefire has been broken by Israeli Defence Force 105.154.145.39 ( talk) 11:24, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Is there any reason to mention police chief Kobi Shabtai and not the cabinit member in charge of the police ( Amir Ohana)? Animal lover 666 ( talk) 13:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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We should update the infobox for Palestinian casualties as more information is being published regarding people who are buried in Gaza tunnels, most likely already dead. It seems IDF wasn't exaggerating when they talked about hundreds of Hamas fighters that died inside their tunnels during the Israeli airstrikes on the 14th. I thought it was a bluff by Israel but now the ministry of health in Gaza is admitting it. Please pay attention to this. I could update the infobox myself but I prefer to wait for the final number to come out. So far they talk about 320 dead in total, which would mean only dozens were killed in the Israeli airstrikes on the 'metro' instead of hundreds (maybe around 80). We should specify the number in text body as well. Also I would like to hear from other editors. Any thoughts on this?-- SoaringLL ( talk) 14:30, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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I think the decision to "close" the conflict with the ceasefire was a bit over-eager, even if the Gaza ceasefire continues to hold, violence is clearly still occurring. I think the article still needs to read as though conflict is still ongoing until we can get at least 24 hours of peace, moving to past tense seems very premature. BSMRD ( talk) 14:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Yes it seems BSMRD is right here.There was just a new raid of the same type that triggered the conflict to begin with, this needs to be reopened. 146.115.75.143 ( talk) 15:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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Remove the drones from the Palestinian casualties in the infobox. Drones are not casualties, we don't report lost guns or planes in a conflict as casualties either. Also, the link to the PFLP should probably link to Abu Ali Mustapha brigades, similar to the al-Aqsa martyrs, especially as the source citing their involvement refers to the brigades, not the party. BSMRD ( talk) 23:46, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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04:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)Is this the only one? https://www.timesofisrael.com/you-believed-in-coexistence-lod-jewish-man-killed-by-arab-mob-laid-to-rest/ Peregrine Fisher ( talk) 14:59, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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On the night of 13 April, the beginning of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, an Israeli police squad raided the Haram al Sharif and, brushing aside mosque attendants, severed the loudspeaker cables used to broadcast the al-Aqsa muezzin's ritual call to prayer so that the speech being delivered by President Reuven Rivlin below, at the Western Wall, for Memorial Day in Israel would not be disturbed. At the same time, they blocked off access to the Damascus Gate where Muslim worshippers congregate during the holiday. [1] [2] The barriers at the Damascus Gate were eventually removed some two weeks later in the wake of protests. [3] On 15 April, a TikTok video of a Palestinian teen slapping an ultra-orthodox Jewish man went viral, leading to several copycat incidents. [4] The next day, tens of thousands of Palestinian worshippers were turned away from al-Aqsa, on the first Friday of Ramadan when Israel imposed a 10,000-person limit on prayers at the mosque. [5] [4] On the same day, a Rabbi was beaten in Jaffa causing two days of protests. [4] On 22 April, the far-right Jewish supremacist group Lehava held a march through Jerusalem chanting "death to Arabs". [4] On 23 April, after a fringe military groups fired 36 rockets at southern Israel, the IDF launched missiles at Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip. [4] In the following days, a Palestinian boy and a 19-year-old Israeli settler were killed. On 6 May, the Israel Police shot and killed a 16 year-old Palestinian during a raid of Nablus in the West Bank. [6]
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On 8 April at 2 AM, 15 Jewish families, accompanied by an Israeli police force, entered houses in Silwan bought from their Palestinian owners by the Ateret Cohanim organization. [7] Fireworks and stones were launched at the houses and at vehicles including that of a Meretz Jerusalem councilmember who came to support Palestinian residents. [8] Al-Aqsa preacher and former Jerusalem grand mufti Ekrima Sa'id Sabri issued a fatwa calling to boycott the sellers. [9] He was arrested two days later on 10 April. [10] On 9 April, Israeli police beat Member of Knesset Ofer Cassif during a protest against planned evictions of Palestinians in Sheikh Jarrah. [11] On 10 April, an Israeli bus was pelted with stones and set on fire in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Isawiya. [12]
On the night of 13 April, the beginning of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, an Israeli police squad raided the Al-Aqsa mosque and, brushing aside mosque attendants, severed the loudspeaker cables used to broadcast the al-Aqsa muezzin's ritual call to prayer so that the speech being delivered by President Reuven Rivlin below, at the Western Wall, for Memorial Day in Israel would not be disturbed. At the same time, they blocked off access to much of the Damascus Gate plaza, a popular place of congregation for local Palestinians, including Muslim worshippers, during the holiday. [13] [14] [1] [15] Spokesmen for police variously claimed the barriers were installed in order to prevent friction and ensure safe access to the Haram al Sharif [16], as preemptive riot control [17] or in order to allow better pedestrian flow into the old city [18] [19] Violent clashes between Israeli police and Palestinians erupted at the Damascus Gate that same night, with Palestinians hurling rocks at passing busses. [20] Clashes continued nightly thereafter until barriers were removed by police on 25 April. [21] [22] On 15 April, a TikTok video of a Palestinian teen slapping an ultra-orthodox Jewish man went viral, leading to several copycat incidents. [4] The next day, tens of thousands of Palestinian worshippers were turned away from al-Aqsa, on the first Friday of Ramadan when Israel limited prayer in the Al-Aqsa mosque to 10,000 vaccinated Palestinians due to "'high morbidity rates' from coronavirus in Palestinian Authority areas". [23] [24] [4] On the same day, a Rabbi enquiring about an apartment was beaten in Jaffa causing two days of protests. Arab protesters chanted "settlers, go home" and clashed, hurling rocks and fireworks, with police who separated between them and a Jewish protest. Tensions have been fueled by gentrification by Jews of traditionally Arab Jaffa. [25] [4] On the night of 21 April, clashes broke between Jews and Arabs in downtown Jerusalem. [26] On the night of 22 April, the far-right Jewish supremacist group Lehava held a march through Jerusalem "to restore Jewish dignity", ending at the Damascus Gate, while chanting "death to Arabs". [27] [4] A group of Jews also attacked a home in the Old City, attempting to set it on fire, while a group of Arabs attacked a Jewish driver and set his vehicle on fire in Wadi Joz [28]. Over 100 Palestinians and 20 policemen were injured in clashes that night. The following days saw a spike in attacks on Jews throughout Jerusalem including stone throwings, firebombings and mob beatings. [29] [30] On 25 April a Jewish youth was attacked by Arabs in the mixed Jewish-Arab city of Ramle while three Arab workers were attacked by a group of Jews in Jerusalem. [31] [32] On 23 April, after fringe military groups fired 36 rockets at southern Israel, the IDF launched missiles at Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip. [4] In the following days, a 19-year-old Israeli settler was killed in a drive-by shooting while waiting for a bus at Tapuach junction in the West Bank and a 16 year-old Palestinian was shot and killed by Israeli troops during a raid of Nablus in the West Bank. [33] [34] [35]"
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"On 8 April at 2 AM, 15 Jewish families, accompanied by an Israeli police force, entered houses in Silwan bought from their Palestinian owners by the Ateret Cohanim organization. [36] Fireworks and stones were launched at the houses and at vehicles including that of a Meretz Jerusalem councilmember who came to support Palestinian residents. [37] Al-Aqsa preacher and former Jerusalem grand mufti Ekrima Sa'id Sabri issued a fatwa calling to boycott the sellers. [38] He was arrested two days later on 10 April. [39] On 9 April, Israeli police beat Member of Knesset Ofer Cassif during a protest against planned evictions of Palestinians in Sheikh Jarrah. [40] On 10 April, an Israeli bus was pelted with stones and set on fire in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Isawiya. [41]
On the night of 13 April, the beginning of the Muslim holy month of
Ramadan, an Israeli police squad raided the
Haram al Sharif
Al-Aqsa mosque and, brushing aside mosque attendants, severed the loudspeaker cables used to broadcast the al-Aqsa
muezzin's
ritual call to prayer so that the speech being delivered by President
Reuven Rivlin below, at the
Western Wall, for
Memorial Day in Israel would not be disturbed. At the same time, they blocked off access to much of to the
Damascus Gate plaza where , a popular place of congregation for local Palestinians, including Muslim worshippers, congregate during the holiday.
[42]
[43]
[1]
[44] Spokesmen for police variously claimed the barriers were installed in order to prevent friction and ensure safe access to the
Haram al Sharif
[45], as preemptive riot control
[46] or in order to allow better pedestrian flow into the old city
[47] The barriers at the Damascus Gate were eventually removed some two weeks later in the wake of protests.
[48] Violent clashes between Israeli police and Palestinians erupted at the Damascus Gate that same night, with Palestinians hurling rocks at passing busses.
[49] Clashes continued nightly thereafter until barriers were removed by police on 25 April.
[50]
[51] On 15 April, a
TikTok video of a Palestinian teen slapping an ultra-orthodox Jewish man went viral, leading to several copycat incidents.
[4] The next day, tens of thousands of Palestinian worshippers were turned away from al-Aqsa, on the first Friday of Ramadan when Israel imposed a limited prayer in the Al-Aqsa mosque to 10,000-person vaccinated Palestinians limit on prayers at the mosque due to "'high morbidity rates' from coronavirus in Palestinian Authority areas".
[52]
[53]
[4] On the same day, a Rabbi enquiring about an apartment was beaten in Jaffa causing two days of protests. Arab protesters chanted "settlers, go home" and clashed, hurling rocks and fireworks, with police who separated between them and a Jewish protest. Tensions have been fueled by
gentrification by Jews of traditionally Arab Jaffa.
[54]
[4] On the night of 21 April, clashes broke between Jews and Arabs in downtown Jerusalem.
[55] On the night of 22 April, the
far-right Jewish supremacist group
Lehava held a march through Jerusalem "to restore Jewish dignity", ending at the Damascus Gate where Palestinians had been protesting nightly, while chanting "death to Arabs".
[56]
[4] A group of Jews also attacked a home in the Old City, attempting to set it on fire, while a group of Arabs attacked a Jewish driver and set his vehicle on fire in
Wadi Joz.
[57] Over 100 Palestinians and 20 policemen were injured in clashes that night. The following days saw a spike in attacks on Jews throughout Jerusalem including stone throwings, firebombings and mob beatings.
[58]
[59] On 25 April a Jewish youth was attacked by Arabs in the mixed Jewish-Arab city of
Ramle while three Arab workers were attacked by a group of Jews in Jerusalem.
[60]
[61] On 23 April, after a fringe military groups fired 36 rockets at southern Israel, the IDF launched missiles at Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip.
[4] In the following days, a Palestinian boy and a 19-year-old Israeli settler was killed in a drive-by shooting while waiting for a bus at
Tapuach junction in the
West Bank were killed. On 6 May, the Israel Police shot and killed and a 16 year-old Palestinian was shot and killed by Israeli troops during a raid of
Nablus in the
West Bank.
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[63]
[64]"
These changes expand on the housing factor to the riots (Silwan, Jaffa, prior protest in Sheikh Jarrah), expand on the sequence of violence and fix factual issues such as the blocking off of the Damascus Gate (the gate itself was open, the steps going down to the plaza were blocked off) and a double report of the death of the same Palestinian teen. All added information is sourced. The original text might have changed a bit since I starting writing this yesterday.
Elsewhere in the article, there appears to be a double mention of the death of a Lebanese protestor, who was also a reserve Hezbollah fighter. The mention in the infobox cites Al Jazeera but I cannot find any other mention on the web of a second protestor dying, and the 3 sources cited for the
mention in the body of the article don't mention a second protestor being killed, just the same man Mohammad Tahhan, while another protestor was injured.
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20:45, 22 May 2021 (UTC)the subarticle here starts with: "The long-running dispute over land in Sheikh Jarrah is considered a microcosm of the IsraeliāPalestinian disputes over land since 1948.[66] Israel's laws allow Jews to file claims over land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem which they have owned prior to 1948, but reject Palestinian claims over land in Israel which they owned.[67][68][69][70]"
well there is a lot of unaccurasy here: 1. every person, Jewish, Muslim, Arab, Druze, and others can claim ownership to property owned prior to 1948 and after it, by law, many non Israeli ciztizens Palestinians fails to claim property ownership in Israel, since Israeli law granted the state of Israel all the lands it had control in after the end of 1947ā1949 Palestine war, the disputed land, was bought by jewish trust prior to the war, and it was residented by Palestinian refugees but Jordan didnt make it an eminent domain after conquering west bank in 1948, and therefore by law, the land ownership remained under its owners of prior to the war. - both laws considered legal by both Israeli and UN Rules. saying that the law is only pro jewish is absurd since Israeli Court also evicted 350 resident of Amona Settelment, after Palestinians showed ownership papers of the land.
in 1982 the residents and the owners came to agreement states that: the resident acknowledge the owner's ownership of the land, and agreed to pay rent to avoid evictions. In 1993 the owners requested eviction of the residents for not paying rent. Some residents asked for cancelation of the agreement, but Israeli court denyied the plea, non agreement between the land owners and its residents, and the residents refusal to pay rent is the main reason of the treat of eviction by the court verdict.
you may add other groups Interpretations of the events, but this is just Interpretations, and not the reasons that given by the court verdict which are being justified by Israel laws.
sorry I am new just learned to sign, ty for the help.
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the subarticle here starts with: "The long-running dispute over land in Sheikh Jarrah is considered a microcosm of the IsraeliāPalestinian disputes over land since 1948.[66] Israel's laws allow Jews to file claims over land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem which they have owned prior to 1948, but reject Palestinian claims over land in Israel which they owned.[67][68][69][70]"
well there is a lot of unaccurasy here: 1. every person, Jewish, Muslim, Arab, Druze, and others can claim ownership to property owned prior to 1948 and after it, by law, many non Israeli ciztizens Palestinians fails to claim property ownership in Israel, since Israeli law granted the state of Israel all the lands it had control in after the end of 1947ā1949 Palestine war, the disputed land, was bought by jewish trust prior to the war, and it was residented by Palestinian refugees but Jordan didnt make it an eminent domain after conquering west bank in 1948. [1]. Therefore by law, the land ownership remained under its owners of prior to the war. [2] - both laws considered legal by both Israeli and UN Rules. saying that the law is only pro jewish is absurd since Israeli Court also evicted 350 resident of Amona Settelment, after Palestinians showed ownership papers of the land.
in 1982 the residents and the owners came to agreement states that: the resident acknowledge the owner's ownership of the land, and agreed to pay rent to avoid evictions. In 1993 the owners requested eviction of the residents for not paying rent. Some residents asked for cancelation of the agreement, but Israeli court denyied the plea, non agreement between the land owners and its residents, and the residents refusal to pay rent is the main reason of the treat of eviction by the court verdict. [3] [4]
you may add other groups Interpretations of the events, but this is just Interpretations, and not the reasons that given by the court verdict which are being justified by Israel laws. Nahnieli ( talk) 19:11, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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Some of the news source like Slate and Al Jazeera start calling this event the Third Intifada.
Example of it: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/05/israel-palestine-third-intifada.html CrusaderToonamiUK ( talk) 16:45, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Is This the Third Intifada?); it doesn't state that it is, it says that it might become it, and specifically lists some reasons why it might not. Definitely not enough to call it that in the article voice yet, and clearly WP:UNDUE for the lead as long as it's just speculative. -- Aquillion ( talk) 18:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Al Jazeera is Qatari state news, and Qatar is involved first as the Hamas activities are commanded from Doha. And Doha provided safeheaven for Hamas operations and operatives. Obviously Al Jazeera should be taken as the least serious source of information. https://thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/15/05/2021/Foreign-Minister-meets-head-of-Hamas-Political-Bureau-in-Doha -- Rectangular dome ( talk) 18:45, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Recently Scroll the Indian news source also coined the term the Third Intifada.
https://scroll.in/article/995100/israel-palestine-conflict-are-we-witnessing-the-early-stages-of-a-third-intifada CrusaderToonamiUK ( talk) 15:47, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
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Please update the casualties infobox:
In the right-hand side, under "Gaza", "change 20ā130 militants killed" to "20ā130+ militants killed", per the BBC source provided.
In the right-hand side, under "East Jerusalem", add "1 Palestinian Killed"
In the left-hand side, add a new section "East Jerusalem", containing "6 Israeli's Injured".
Per Reuters. BilledMammal ( talk) 07:48, 18 May 2021 (UTC) It's already 150+ anyways.(ps. They keep Israel data low for criticsmĀ ;-) that s why they cite Hamas so much, but when it comes to Israel they have more doubts than philosophers.) -- Rectangular dome ( talk) 09:01, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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In the Diplomacy section, please add note of the statement from the USA and UK, saying that Israel has a right to defend itself.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-israel-has-right-to-respond-to-rockets-palestinians-have-right-to-safety/ Ester9001 ( talk) 15:40, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
There has been very little coverage as far as I can see in the foreign press of the outcome of the ruse (and it was, from a purely military perspective very shrewd in its potential for a winning blow) concerning an imminent invasion. We have 3 sources (St atesman) saying it was a major success but now note Maariv states that it was subsequently judged to have been a failure or to have fallen far short of its aims. [1]. Worth keeping an eye out for some reliable report in English on this. Nishidani ( talk) 15:57, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I noticed that children Palestinian casualties keeps getting removed from the infobox. But on the Israeli side we have a breakdown by both nationality (mentioning Indian and Thai) and breakdown by ethnicity (mentioning Arab-Israeli). I think we are going to do a demographic breakdown we should be consistent, otherwise we should only breakdown by combatant and non-combatant. VR talk 16:02, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Hamas ofcourse controls the hospitals and ministry of health which publishes the death certificates and has been accused by Israel of fabricating and inflating number of child deaths. Perhaps that is why it was removed? Ester9001 ( talk) 17:30, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
Any suggestion that the Palestinian Ministry of Health inflates child death figures is an anti-Palestinian conspiracy theory. Think how many people would need to be in such a conspiracy to allow this to happen. People who donāt understand the region seem to think that every person in the Gaza administrative bureaucracy is somehow a Hamas militant.
They publish names, locations, ages etc on a regular basis. This type of information is very difficult to fabricate.
If you want additional evidence, note this desperately sad tweet from the
Norwegian Refugee Council today:
[3] We sadly confirmed today that 11 of over 60 children killed by Israeli air strikes in #Gaza over the last week were participating in our programme helping them deal with trauma. All of the children between 5 and 15 years old were killed in their homes
. If just one NGO had been treating 11 of the children, it is entirely reasonable that another 50 children had died given the scale of Gazaās population.
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In total, 212 people, including 61 children and 36 women, have been killed in Gaza since last Monday, according to the Palestinian health ministry. ... United Nations officials said Monday that 116 civilians, including 61 children and three pregnant women, had been killed in Gaza since Israel launched its military operation last week. ... A spokesman for the Gaza health ministry denied manipulating figures, saying it has the names of everyone killed in Gaza and could verify those with international organizations.UN doesn't seem to verify MOH's figures. I guess we could give both sets, however, but I imagine they will be verified once it stops being a current event so don't see the point. Or just attribute separately. ProcSock ( talk) 22:47, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I think it should be included, perhaps with attribution if other editors feel like it is warranted. CPCEnjoyer ( talk) 14:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
All disputes of neutrality is highlighted in a Bold Italic.
In 2.4 (Arab communities in Israel), it states "In Acre, a Jewish man was attacked and seriously injured by an Arab mob armed with sticks and stones while driving his car. In Bat Yam, Jewish extremists attacked Arab stores and beat pedestrians. An Arab motorist was also beaten in the street, an incident which was caught live by an Israeli news crew. An Israeli soldier was severely beaten in Jaffa, and two civilians including a paramedic and a police officer were shot by Arab assailants in Lod and Ramla. An Israeli news crew was attacked by Jewish extremists in Tel Aviv, and a Jewish family which mistakenly drove into Umm al-Fahm was attacked by a mob before being rescued by other local residents and police."
Usage of "Arab mob" or "Arab assailant" is a possible dispute of neutrality. Using the word Arab could impose that the editor is an anti-Arab. I suggest that "Arab-extremist" be used instead of just using "Arab" as for it sounds as if all Arabs are extremists.
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There is a sentence that does not make sense as follows; can a qualified editor please fix "The land was taken and destroyed by the Jordanian government following the 1948 ArabāIsraeli War.[66]" land has not been destroyed. Perhaps they mean the buildings on the land were destroyed. The Irish Times article cited says the land was "razed". The meaning of that is also unclear but it might mean buildings on the land were razed. The Irish Times article goes on to say "The Palestinian families facing eviction moved ā also legally, according to the Jordanian government ā into the houses before Israel took East Jerusalem in 1967." So if the buildings were "razed" or destroyed" were new buildings built after 1948. If there are no answers to the questions the sentence could simply be removed. Caferoma ( talk) 06:09, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Gaza-Israel Fatalities timeline
Can we please make this into a table? Frankly, using slashes as delimiters is not the way we do things on Wikipedia. Also keep a reference column so we can always verify the reference(s) for each day, as references for Gaza and Israel may be separate. Also, add a total to the bottom that aligns with what we are showing on the infobox. If the war continues for multiple weeks, we could turn this into the basis of a new article just for casualties. ItsGrrreat ( talk) 12:50, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
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10 May | 28 | ? | 3 | |
11 May | 4 | ? | 1 | |
12 May | 21 | ? | 4 | |
13 May | 34 | ? | 2 | |
14 May | 39 | ? | 0 | |
15 May | 13 | ? | 1 | |
16 May | 53 | ? | 0 | |
17 May | 20 | ? | 1 |
Onceinawhile ( talk) 15:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Not sure if differentiation between Palestinian Israelis and Jewish Israelis is meaningful, as some Arab-Israelis that were killed were killed by Gaza rockets, while one was killed during protests against Israel. Also, three of civilian casualties in Israel were not Israeli citizens. I think this table should focus more on where they were killed, rather than trying to establish affiliation. ItsGrrreat ( talk) 22:02, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
The Dar Yusuf Nasri Jacir for Art and Research suffered extensive damage caused by a raid of Israeli forces. Any help improving the article would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley ( talk) 15:25, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Why is there not a single picture of a rocket shot from Gaza to Israel (the ones that actually made it to the ground)? Why is there only a picture of the media building, which was used as a human/status shield for Hamas (to fire rockets right next to the building, knowing full well that Israel would be reluctant to conduct an air strike on it because they would get backlash)? The caption reads "Aftermath of Israeli bombing of a building in Gaza, 14 May 2021" in the causes it says " - Planned decision by the Supreme Court of Israel on the eviction of four Palestinian families in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Sheikh Jarrah." " - Closure of the Damascus Gate by Israeli authorities" And " - Storming of the al-Aqsa Mosque by Israeli police"
Why can't it explain that the main reason it was bombed was that Hamas was firing rockets right next to the building(!)?
Iād like to suggest changing āevictionsā in the second paragraph of the intro to any of āforced removalā, āforced displacementā or ādispossessionā. Terms like āevictionā and āproperty disputeā are sanitized to the point of being misleading, and donāt adequately portray the facts on the ground or the legality of the situation. The fact that these terms are strongly preferred by one party (the occupying power) should give us serious pause re: WP:NPOV.
I have a number of sources to support this change, generally endorsed by WP:RSP:
From the International Court of Justice: āIsrael: ICC must investigate forced displacement of Palestinians in Sheikh Jarrah and attacks against civilians in Gazaā
From CBS News: āThe United Nations Commission for Human Rights has called the forced removal of Palestinian families a potential war crime. Israeli officials have called it a āreal-estate dispute between private parties.āā
From Al Jazeera: āSheikh Jarrah residents speak out on Israelās forced expulsionsā
From Haaretz: āDemocrats Urge U.S. to Act Against Israel's 'Abhorrent' East Jerusalem Evictions: Several Democratic lawmakers are calling for an investigation on whether Israelās āforced displacement for Palestiniansā violates U.S. lawsā
I do not want to start people foruming, I just think this merits discussion and probably a change. I think āforced removalā is a more accurate legal description; āevictionā is better suited to a more banal dispute over residential tenancies. WillowCity ( talk) 20:09, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
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The reason for the crisis is mostly the Hamas firing rockets onto Jerusalem and Tel Aviv 188.64.207.189 ( talk) 07:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
So I can recommend adding the hostility were initiated by Hamas launching hundreds of rockets, which is well documented for anyone who read the press. And you can add, Hamas justify its attack on a b & c. Anything else is Stockholm syndrome.Ā :-)-- Rectangular dome ( talk) 10:45, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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In the "Lebanon and Syria" subsection of "Escalation", within the first line, the words 'from' and 'the' do not have a space inbetween them.
On 13 May at least three rockets were fired fromthe coastal area of Qlaileh just South of the Palestinian refugee camp of Rashidieh in the Southern Lebanese district of Tyre across the IsraeliāLebanese border, landing in the Mediterranean Sea. Hezbollah denied responsibility for the rocket launches and Lebanese Army troops were deployed to the area around the refugee camp, finding several rockets there. Change to: On 13 May at least three rockets were fired from the coastal area of Qlaileh just South of the Palestinian refugee camp of Rashidieh in the Southern Lebanese district of Tyre across the IsraeliāLebanese border, landing in the Mediterranean Sea. Hezbollah denied responsibility for the rocket launches and Lebanese Army troops were deployed to the area around the refugee camp, finding several rockets there. zer0 talk 08:19, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
...the compound of the al-Aqsa Mosque, the third-holiest site in Islam, located on the Temple Mount, which is sacred in Judaism
Why does this sentence clarify the Al-Aqsa Mosque as the third holiest site in Islam, but simply says the Temple Mount is 'sacred in Judaism'? It is the holiest site in Judaism. I believe the article should say the cite is sacred for both faiths, or clarify both parties' relationship with the location. 2A10:8002:83AE:0:C455:1029:DB39:1637 ( talk) 12:39, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Btw you can also add positive stories in your cover. Eg, the Jew killed by "protesters", who gave his kidney to an Arab woman. Or the Arab paramedic who saved a Jew stabbed and lynched in Tamra last week. https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-riot-victims-kidney-gives-new-lease-of-life-to-arab-woman/ -- Rectangular dome ( talk) 15:14, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
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Second paragraph should read 'right-wing' as opposed to 'Far-Right' Jewish nationalists - it is a large march which encompasses Jews from various levels on the spectrum. Does source specifically say 'far-right'?
First sentence of third paragraph reads as if Israel should have been expected to accept the ultimatum issued, perhaps consider restructuring the sentence.
Finally please change 'airstrikes on Gaza' to 'on targets in Gaza'. Israel didn't 'strike Gaza', that surely breaches impartiality guidelines. Durdyfiv1 ( talk) 02:43, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Two of the three sources specifically mention 'far-right. " David O. Johnson ( talk) 03:29, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Caferoma ( talk) 06:09, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Yeah David, two left-wing sources and a third which I've noticed doesn't qualify as a reliable source. The editorial position on this page is quite frankly ridiculous. Durdyfiv1 ( talk) 14:21, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Or we could try using sources that aren't generally anti-Israel when referring to Israeli events... That may also work. Durdyfiv1 ( talk) 01:12, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-may-20-2021/
-- Ester9001 ( talk) 19:22, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Fingers crossed there's no backsliding. Selfstudier ( talk) 22:40, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Is the "Caused by" section of the info box biased? From reading the current three causes is seems the Israeli side caused the crisis alone. I think this needs to be expanded with the referenced information in the section "Background". For example the often delayed election dates in the Palestinian areas could be mentioned. What do you think? 2001:56A:F868:D500:8001:CCDB:C527:D60 ( talk) 04:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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Please change the timing of the conflict from:
(2 weeks and 1 day)
To
(2 weeks and 1 day)
Because the conflict has been ended with armstice 182.1.16.166 ( talk) 05:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
So, In sort, Egypt brokered a cease-fire between Israel and Palestine. Here is the full text for said deal https://www.haaretz.com/the-egyptian-cease-fire-proposal-1.5255539
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210520-israel-confirms-unconditional-gaza-ceasefire-agreed-with-hamas Also, Egypt was enacting alot of pressure on Israel and the United States https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/19/politics/biden-netanyahu-relationship/index.html there are already 2 committees from Egypt as of now monitoring the situation, This is a very good win for Egypt and I think it should be mentioned, because they insisted that the Ceasefire would come into effect at 2 o'clock the same exact hour where Egyptian Forces overran the Bar Lev line and inaugurated the New Suez Canal, it is clearly meant to be a message, also, the amount of medical aid sent via the Rafah Crossing should be mentioned as well as Israel tried to shut it down, but Egypt refused.
All in all, I think the part of Egypt should be acknowledged in this.
I think that it MUST be mentioned in the diplomacy section, Because Egypt in the more detailed article is very empty, and the last thing that came from it is I think the 13th of May, but how so if the major participant and the ones who sponsored, created, and provided this ceasefire proposal is Egypt? I mean, its mentioned by France24, like I linked, and the UN Chief https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/05/1092372
As for the Rafah Border Crossing, the best I got for that is only some local Arab Sources and Anonymous Secruity personeel, however, I think it is verified that an Israeli and Egyptian committee did meet to discuss the border and the fact that the Rafah Border Crossing can provide logistical support to Hamas must be met with force, Egypt apparently had its committe leave and said that there would be no Border Crossing that being shut, it is now indefientnly open, and as for the 2 O'clock thing, while it could be a coincidence, I think its too specific for that, because Apparently the Egyptians insisted very much on it being on 2, a weird and specific time for that, but it could be a message.
There's countries that support one side over the other, the U.S supports Israel, Iran supports Palestine, etc. Should we put those in the parties to civil conflict? Countries that have actually done something in support of one of the parties should be placed imo, not just people who says Israel has a right to self defense or Palestine has a right to exist. For example, to clarify anything, the United States sold $750+ million dollars of weapons to Israel during this conflict and supports Israel, so they can be placed under Supported (Israel) or something. Austria, which just said they support Israel but haven't gotten involved, is not needed. āĀ Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:182:381:6820:310B:5AF5:1204:9F40 ( talk) 12:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Isn't this technically a war? This is certainly more than a conflict if they are launching rockets at each other.
I think you misunderstand me, the Gaza War I recently voted to change it to that from conflict. I didn't have any choice because so many RS were describing it like that. However, logically speaking it makes no sense to call the larger problem a conflict while describing an interim event as a war. Selfstudier ( talk) 16:42, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Sources have to first call it a war before we rename it to that, I think itās better if we split this article to one for Palestinian protests against Israel in the west bank, and one for the ongoing intensifying conflict between Gaza and Israel. Some sources seem to be calling the ongoing intensification between gaza and israel a major conflict. Ridax2020 ( talk) 18:34, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
There has been a new violent raid on Al-Aqsa mosque. if this is counted as a violation of the ceasefire it could me renewed fighting. Check citation [1] 146.115.75.143 ( talk) 15:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
You have an issue whereby you quote left-wing, often anti-Israel sources about Israeli matters. The agreement under Oslo was that matters pertaining to security at the compound be handed over to Israel. Don't post propaganda when you can post facts. Durdyfiv1 ( talk) 20:17, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, not quote, I meant cite - you cited CNN. What Oslo proposed would only come into effect once, and only if, the Palestinians accepted peace but it was violated and doesn't really hold any weight. Agree on Shrike's point. Durdyfiv1 ( talk) 19:48, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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I have seen many news article cite the ceasefire as end of ā11-day warā including AP, Chicago Tribune, SCMP ,etc. As least I think very few people would consider this as just a ācrisisā following many rockets and strikes. I would support name change to conflict or war. Thitut ( talk) 16:46, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
We will need a retrospective Damage assessment section now that estimates are flowing in (the NYTs update article I cited mentions 1,000 homes destroyed in Gaza. Of course the section should be divided into Palestinian and Israeli. It can incorporate also material from the Casualties section. Nishidani ( talk) 17:14, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Hamas history During the 1980s, Hamas sprang from the Muslim Brotherhood, through the 1990s, Hamas evolved as an armed force. After Oslo Accords were signed in 1993, Hamas carried out suicide bombings in Israel. Hamas is opposed to two-state solution, the map of Hamas for the state of Palestine includes the territories of Israel, Gaza, and the West Bank. Since the coup against Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas in Gaza, every time Israel and Palestine fight, it is a military battle between Israeli forces and Hamasās Izzedine al-Qassam Brigades. Today, Hamas has emerged as the most powerful political entity in Palestine. [2]
I can't see any need for this. Hamas's background is thoroughly treated in the linked article to the name. Add it, and then one would have to add other articles about the history of Israel's occupation of Gaza, its withdrawal in 2005, its economic strangulation of the territory every since, after it disagreed with the outcome of the Palestinian elections, etc.etc.etc. Why not put then for balance, Israel's background or that of IDF. All you get is bloat. The source itself is marginal: its account is pointy (ignoring that Abbas, the US and Israel tried to stage a coup against Hamas after the latter won the election etc., and it was nipped in the bud by a counter-coup. We still have a lot of stuff to cover as the retrospective political, NGO and scholarly analyses flow/flood in. Nishidani ( talk) 09:58, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
This has been added into the lead but none of the sources say that Molotov cocktails were thrown. The only reference to them is in a BBC source (the last one) where it says they were stockpiled but then later only mentions the stone throwing.
I think we need a source specifically saying they were thrown, I find it odd that all the other sources don't mention this. Selfstudier ( talk) 11:15, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
@ Shrike: Shrike, that source that you have added is not for the same event, that is for the more recent clash and what it says is "Palestinians threw stones and Molotov cocktails towards police near the Al-Aqsa Mosque complex" and then describes where Al-Aqsa is, it doesn't even say that the Palestinians were in the compound. So it would be good if you would revert that please. Selfstudier ( talk) 12:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
Do we take this down? Or it needs to stay up a bit longer? Selfstudier ( talk) 18:54, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
I think the figure for 16 May (53) includes the casualties in the massive airstrikes on the residential buildings on 15 May when 42 were killed, many on al-Wehda Street Nishidani ( talk) 20:33, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
The article (section Escalation-Temple Mount) does not mention the fact that around 8:00ā9:00 am on the 10th of May 2021, several rocks were thrown from the Temple Mount plateau/Haram al-Sharif onto the Western Wall Plaza. At the time, the Jewish morning prayer was being held there by students of various Religious Zionist Yeshivot (religious colleges). In my opinion, the mention of this incident, which I have personally witnessed, could add some relevant background information to the police intervention in the al-Aqsa compound. Here are two news reports referring to the event: https://fox40.com/news/national-and-world-news/palestinians-israel-police-clash-at-jerusalem-site-53-hurt/ https://thewest.com.au/news/conflict/hundreds-of-palestinians-injured-in-israel-c-2799130 Elendil 03 ( talk) 21:55, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
I would recommend adding much on this in the context of the Israeli Police on the Temple Mount. There are quire a few links of stones stored in the al Aqsa mosque for the purpose of throwing on Jews at the Kotel down below. For example on Friday May 7, 2021 the police were there to stop the Arabs from trying to kill the Jews. The next night since there was outrage over the police action, some rocks made it over and the Kotel was evacuated. If anyone wants to gather the sources I think it would help even out the article. Saxophonemn ( talk) 12:19, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
@Selfstudier: Youāre right, the articles I linked to refer to the events of the previous day. I was looking for a report about the events I had witnessed, therefore, I forgot to check the date. Admittedly, there werenāt that many rocks (I counted three in my area), this is not something news typically make a fuss about (especially given the same thing had happened the day before). My impression was that the police intervention was in part meant to prevent stone throwing, but in certainly started before any successful attempt to do so judging from the noise. So I might very well have been wrong. Elendil 03 ( talk) 22:18, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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Hello, the allegation against Israel of damaging schools and hospitals is unfounded. Firstly, only the first ref of the long list of refs say so ( the others are there for decorating), and it's actually a quotation from an un envoy, not a forma statement. Secondly Israel has alleged, and provided footage, that some of the rockets fall short (ā25%)... Blaming Israel doesn't respect the NPOV.
Please change it to " according to an UN envoy hospitals and schools have been damaged, by Israeli airstrikes, which Israel deny, and accuses jihadists groups of carelessly shooting rockets from civilan area and falling short on palestinan area". This is supported by many declarations.
EgĀ : " The IDF says some of the Gaza civilian fatalities were killed by the terror groupsā own rockets falling short and exploding in Gaza." https://www.timesofisrael.com/rocket-fire-from-gaza-halts-for-8-hours-then-renews-as-idf-continues-airstrikes/amp/
-- Rectangular dome ( talk) 15:28, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
"More than 800 rockets were fired into Israel from Gaza since Monday, the IDF said, adding that 150 fell inside the Strip, and another 200 were intercepted by the Iron Dome." https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/cogat-announces-closure-of-gaza-border-crossing-over-rocket-fire-667730/
"Since the latest war erupted last week, Palestinian militants have fired more than 3,200 rockets at Israeli cities. Most were intercepted or fell short, in Gaza, but hundreds made it through." https://apnews.com/article/israel-middle-east-israel-palestinian-conflict-e57afb90dbc60ceda6c6cfa6888a4c5b
So far some 1,750 rockets have been fired at Israel, of which 300 fell short in the Gaza Strip, the Israeli military said. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/biden-expects-spiralling-israel-gaza-conflict-end-soon-2021-05-12/
Since then Israel has attacked hundreds of targets in Gaza, causing earth-shaking explosions across the densely populated territory. Gaza militants have fired 1,800 rockets into Israel, including more than 400 that fell short or misfired, according to the military. https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20210514-israel-pounds-gaza-with-air-strikes-paving-way-for-potential-ground-invasion
"Hamas continued to launch rockets almost continuously into the southern part of the country. The Israeli military said more than 2,000 rockets had been fired from Gaza since the fighting began Monday, with about 400 of them falling short and landing in Gaza itself."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/05/14/israel-gaza-conflict-latest-updates/%3foutputType=amp
Hamas bombed the Gaza strip with hundreds of rockets, it's important to mention that, instead than partially take blind accusations whitout counterclaims.
Add "allegedly" on claims against Israel. There is absolutely no certainty on that information, it's an allegation (for now). NPOV obliged to not take side on allegations coming from both parties and their supports. -- Rectangular dome ( talk) 21:03, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
The edit request is hereĀ : "Please change it to " according to an UN envoy hospitals and schools have been damaged, by Israeli airstrikes, which Israel deny, and accuses jihadists groups of carelessly shooting rockets from civilan area and falling short on palestinan area"."
Please, change the line in the introduction to precise "according to an UN envoy" and " according to Israel hundreds of rockets have fallen short in the Gaza strip" ( 500 rockets could explain civilan casualties, so it's an important information)
The paragraph in Question, doesn't specify the source or the Israel sideĀ : " Israel began a campaign of airstrikes against Gaza; by 16 May, some 950 targeted attacks had demolished, completely or partially: 18 buildings including four high-rise towers, 40 schools and four hospitals, and also struck the al-Shati refugee camp.[39][40][41][42][43][44] In addition, at least 19 medical facilities have been damaged or destroyed by Israeli bombardment.[45] By 17 May, the United Nations estimated that Israel had demolished 94 buildings in Gaza, comprising 461 housing and commercial units.[46] " -- Rectangular dome ( talk) 19:27, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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"Israel has said it killed at least 225 militants during the fighting" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57195537.amp
The number of militants killed hasn't been updated for days in the infobox. Change "150" to "225+" -- Rectangular dome ( talk) 10:42, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
I personally think Hamas has a good interest in hiding that its "army" has been obliterated and exagerating civilian casualties. It can be a powerful propaganda .-- Rectangular dome ( talk) 17:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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The ceasefire has been broken by Israeli Defence Force 105.154.145.39 ( talk) 11:24, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Is there any reason to mention police chief Kobi Shabtai and not the cabinit member in charge of the police ( Amir Ohana)? Animal lover 666 ( talk) 13:47, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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We should update the infobox for Palestinian casualties as more information is being published regarding people who are buried in Gaza tunnels, most likely already dead. It seems IDF wasn't exaggerating when they talked about hundreds of Hamas fighters that died inside their tunnels during the Israeli airstrikes on the 14th. I thought it was a bluff by Israel but now the ministry of health in Gaza is admitting it. Please pay attention to this. I could update the infobox myself but I prefer to wait for the final number to come out. So far they talk about 320 dead in total, which would mean only dozens were killed in the Israeli airstrikes on the 'metro' instead of hundreds (maybe around 80). We should specify the number in text body as well. Also I would like to hear from other editors. Any thoughts on this?-- SoaringLL ( talk) 14:30, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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I think the decision to "close" the conflict with the ceasefire was a bit over-eager, even if the Gaza ceasefire continues to hold, violence is clearly still occurring. I think the article still needs to read as though conflict is still ongoing until we can get at least 24 hours of peace, moving to past tense seems very premature. BSMRD ( talk) 14:53, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Yes it seems BSMRD is right here.There was just a new raid of the same type that triggered the conflict to begin with, this needs to be reopened. 146.115.75.143 ( talk) 15:45, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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Remove the drones from the Palestinian casualties in the infobox. Drones are not casualties, we don't report lost guns or planes in a conflict as casualties either. Also, the link to the PFLP should probably link to Abu Ali Mustapha brigades, similar to the al-Aqsa martyrs, especially as the source citing their involvement refers to the brigades, not the party. BSMRD ( talk) 23:46, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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On the night of 13 April, the beginning of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, an Israeli police squad raided the Haram al Sharif and, brushing aside mosque attendants, severed the loudspeaker cables used to broadcast the al-Aqsa muezzin's ritual call to prayer so that the speech being delivered by President Reuven Rivlin below, at the Western Wall, for Memorial Day in Israel would not be disturbed. At the same time, they blocked off access to the Damascus Gate where Muslim worshippers congregate during the holiday. [1] [2] The barriers at the Damascus Gate were eventually removed some two weeks later in the wake of protests. [3] On 15 April, a TikTok video of a Palestinian teen slapping an ultra-orthodox Jewish man went viral, leading to several copycat incidents. [4] The next day, tens of thousands of Palestinian worshippers were turned away from al-Aqsa, on the first Friday of Ramadan when Israel imposed a 10,000-person limit on prayers at the mosque. [5] [4] On the same day, a Rabbi was beaten in Jaffa causing two days of protests. [4] On 22 April, the far-right Jewish supremacist group Lehava held a march through Jerusalem chanting "death to Arabs". [4] On 23 April, after a fringe military groups fired 36 rockets at southern Israel, the IDF launched missiles at Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip. [4] In the following days, a Palestinian boy and a 19-year-old Israeli settler were killed. On 6 May, the Israel Police shot and killed a 16 year-old Palestinian during a raid of Nablus in the West Bank. [6]
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On 8 April at 2 AM, 15 Jewish families, accompanied by an Israeli police force, entered houses in Silwan bought from their Palestinian owners by the Ateret Cohanim organization. [7] Fireworks and stones were launched at the houses and at vehicles including that of a Meretz Jerusalem councilmember who came to support Palestinian residents. [8] Al-Aqsa preacher and former Jerusalem grand mufti Ekrima Sa'id Sabri issued a fatwa calling to boycott the sellers. [9] He was arrested two days later on 10 April. [10] On 9 April, Israeli police beat Member of Knesset Ofer Cassif during a protest against planned evictions of Palestinians in Sheikh Jarrah. [11] On 10 April, an Israeli bus was pelted with stones and set on fire in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Isawiya. [12]
On the night of 13 April, the beginning of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, an Israeli police squad raided the Al-Aqsa mosque and, brushing aside mosque attendants, severed the loudspeaker cables used to broadcast the al-Aqsa muezzin's ritual call to prayer so that the speech being delivered by President Reuven Rivlin below, at the Western Wall, for Memorial Day in Israel would not be disturbed. At the same time, they blocked off access to much of the Damascus Gate plaza, a popular place of congregation for local Palestinians, including Muslim worshippers, during the holiday. [13] [14] [1] [15] Spokesmen for police variously claimed the barriers were installed in order to prevent friction and ensure safe access to the Haram al Sharif [16], as preemptive riot control [17] or in order to allow better pedestrian flow into the old city [18] [19] Violent clashes between Israeli police and Palestinians erupted at the Damascus Gate that same night, with Palestinians hurling rocks at passing busses. [20] Clashes continued nightly thereafter until barriers were removed by police on 25 April. [21] [22] On 15 April, a TikTok video of a Palestinian teen slapping an ultra-orthodox Jewish man went viral, leading to several copycat incidents. [4] The next day, tens of thousands of Palestinian worshippers were turned away from al-Aqsa, on the first Friday of Ramadan when Israel limited prayer in the Al-Aqsa mosque to 10,000 vaccinated Palestinians due to "'high morbidity rates' from coronavirus in Palestinian Authority areas". [23] [24] [4] On the same day, a Rabbi enquiring about an apartment was beaten in Jaffa causing two days of protests. Arab protesters chanted "settlers, go home" and clashed, hurling rocks and fireworks, with police who separated between them and a Jewish protest. Tensions have been fueled by gentrification by Jews of traditionally Arab Jaffa. [25] [4] On the night of 21 April, clashes broke between Jews and Arabs in downtown Jerusalem. [26] On the night of 22 April, the far-right Jewish supremacist group Lehava held a march through Jerusalem "to restore Jewish dignity", ending at the Damascus Gate, while chanting "death to Arabs". [27] [4] A group of Jews also attacked a home in the Old City, attempting to set it on fire, while a group of Arabs attacked a Jewish driver and set his vehicle on fire in Wadi Joz [28]. Over 100 Palestinians and 20 policemen were injured in clashes that night. The following days saw a spike in attacks on Jews throughout Jerusalem including stone throwings, firebombings and mob beatings. [29] [30] On 25 April a Jewish youth was attacked by Arabs in the mixed Jewish-Arab city of Ramle while three Arab workers were attacked by a group of Jews in Jerusalem. [31] [32] On 23 April, after fringe military groups fired 36 rockets at southern Israel, the IDF launched missiles at Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip. [4] In the following days, a 19-year-old Israeli settler was killed in a drive-by shooting while waiting for a bus at Tapuach junction in the West Bank and a 16 year-old Palestinian was shot and killed by Israeli troops during a raid of Nablus in the West Bank. [33] [34] [35]"
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"On 8 April at 2 AM, 15 Jewish families, accompanied by an Israeli police force, entered houses in Silwan bought from their Palestinian owners by the Ateret Cohanim organization. [36] Fireworks and stones were launched at the houses and at vehicles including that of a Meretz Jerusalem councilmember who came to support Palestinian residents. [37] Al-Aqsa preacher and former Jerusalem grand mufti Ekrima Sa'id Sabri issued a fatwa calling to boycott the sellers. [38] He was arrested two days later on 10 April. [39] On 9 April, Israeli police beat Member of Knesset Ofer Cassif during a protest against planned evictions of Palestinians in Sheikh Jarrah. [40] On 10 April, an Israeli bus was pelted with stones and set on fire in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Isawiya. [41]
On the night of 13 April, the beginning of the Muslim holy month of
Ramadan, an Israeli police squad raided the
Haram al Sharif
Al-Aqsa mosque and, brushing aside mosque attendants, severed the loudspeaker cables used to broadcast the al-Aqsa
muezzin's
ritual call to prayer so that the speech being delivered by President
Reuven Rivlin below, at the
Western Wall, for
Memorial Day in Israel would not be disturbed. At the same time, they blocked off access to much of to the
Damascus Gate plaza where , a popular place of congregation for local Palestinians, including Muslim worshippers, congregate during the holiday.
[42]
[43]
[1]
[44] Spokesmen for police variously claimed the barriers were installed in order to prevent friction and ensure safe access to the
Haram al Sharif
[45], as preemptive riot control
[46] or in order to allow better pedestrian flow into the old city
[47] The barriers at the Damascus Gate were eventually removed some two weeks later in the wake of protests.
[48] Violent clashes between Israeli police and Palestinians erupted at the Damascus Gate that same night, with Palestinians hurling rocks at passing busses.
[49] Clashes continued nightly thereafter until barriers were removed by police on 25 April.
[50]
[51] On 15 April, a
TikTok video of a Palestinian teen slapping an ultra-orthodox Jewish man went viral, leading to several copycat incidents.
[4] The next day, tens of thousands of Palestinian worshippers were turned away from al-Aqsa, on the first Friday of Ramadan when Israel imposed a limited prayer in the Al-Aqsa mosque to 10,000-person vaccinated Palestinians limit on prayers at the mosque due to "'high morbidity rates' from coronavirus in Palestinian Authority areas".
[52]
[53]
[4] On the same day, a Rabbi enquiring about an apartment was beaten in Jaffa causing two days of protests. Arab protesters chanted "settlers, go home" and clashed, hurling rocks and fireworks, with police who separated between them and a Jewish protest. Tensions have been fueled by
gentrification by Jews of traditionally Arab Jaffa.
[54]
[4] On the night of 21 April, clashes broke between Jews and Arabs in downtown Jerusalem.
[55] On the night of 22 April, the
far-right Jewish supremacist group
Lehava held a march through Jerusalem "to restore Jewish dignity", ending at the Damascus Gate where Palestinians had been protesting nightly, while chanting "death to Arabs".
[56]
[4] A group of Jews also attacked a home in the Old City, attempting to set it on fire, while a group of Arabs attacked a Jewish driver and set his vehicle on fire in
Wadi Joz.
[57] Over 100 Palestinians and 20 policemen were injured in clashes that night. The following days saw a spike in attacks on Jews throughout Jerusalem including stone throwings, firebombings and mob beatings.
[58]
[59] On 25 April a Jewish youth was attacked by Arabs in the mixed Jewish-Arab city of
Ramle while three Arab workers were attacked by a group of Jews in Jerusalem.
[60]
[61] On 23 April, after a fringe military groups fired 36 rockets at southern Israel, the IDF launched missiles at Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip.
[4] In the following days, a Palestinian boy and a 19-year-old Israeli settler was killed in a drive-by shooting while waiting for a bus at
Tapuach junction in the
West Bank were killed. On 6 May, the Israel Police shot and killed and a 16 year-old Palestinian was shot and killed by Israeli troops during a raid of
Nablus in the
West Bank.
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These changes expand on the housing factor to the riots (Silwan, Jaffa, prior protest in Sheikh Jarrah), expand on the sequence of violence and fix factual issues such as the blocking off of the Damascus Gate (the gate itself was open, the steps going down to the plaza were blocked off) and a double report of the death of the same Palestinian teen. All added information is sourced. The original text might have changed a bit since I starting writing this yesterday.
Elsewhere in the article, there appears to be a double mention of the death of a Lebanese protestor, who was also a reserve Hezbollah fighter. The mention in the infobox cites Al Jazeera but I cannot find any other mention on the web of a second protestor dying, and the 3 sources cited for the
mention in the body of the article don't mention a second protestor being killed, just the same man Mohammad Tahhan, while another protestor was injured.
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20:45, 22 May 2021 (UTC)the subarticle here starts with: "The long-running dispute over land in Sheikh Jarrah is considered a microcosm of the IsraeliāPalestinian disputes over land since 1948.[66] Israel's laws allow Jews to file claims over land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem which they have owned prior to 1948, but reject Palestinian claims over land in Israel which they owned.[67][68][69][70]"
well there is a lot of unaccurasy here: 1. every person, Jewish, Muslim, Arab, Druze, and others can claim ownership to property owned prior to 1948 and after it, by law, many non Israeli ciztizens Palestinians fails to claim property ownership in Israel, since Israeli law granted the state of Israel all the lands it had control in after the end of 1947ā1949 Palestine war, the disputed land, was bought by jewish trust prior to the war, and it was residented by Palestinian refugees but Jordan didnt make it an eminent domain after conquering west bank in 1948, and therefore by law, the land ownership remained under its owners of prior to the war. - both laws considered legal by both Israeli and UN Rules. saying that the law is only pro jewish is absurd since Israeli Court also evicted 350 resident of Amona Settelment, after Palestinians showed ownership papers of the land.
in 1982 the residents and the owners came to agreement states that: the resident acknowledge the owner's ownership of the land, and agreed to pay rent to avoid evictions. In 1993 the owners requested eviction of the residents for not paying rent. Some residents asked for cancelation of the agreement, but Israeli court denyied the plea, non agreement between the land owners and its residents, and the residents refusal to pay rent is the main reason of the treat of eviction by the court verdict.
you may add other groups Interpretations of the events, but this is just Interpretations, and not the reasons that given by the court verdict which are being justified by Israel laws.
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the subarticle here starts with: "The long-running dispute over land in Sheikh Jarrah is considered a microcosm of the IsraeliāPalestinian disputes over land since 1948.[66] Israel's laws allow Jews to file claims over land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem which they have owned prior to 1948, but reject Palestinian claims over land in Israel which they owned.[67][68][69][70]"
well there is a lot of unaccurasy here: 1. every person, Jewish, Muslim, Arab, Druze, and others can claim ownership to property owned prior to 1948 and after it, by law, many non Israeli ciztizens Palestinians fails to claim property ownership in Israel, since Israeli law granted the state of Israel all the lands it had control in after the end of 1947ā1949 Palestine war, the disputed land, was bought by jewish trust prior to the war, and it was residented by Palestinian refugees but Jordan didnt make it an eminent domain after conquering west bank in 1948. [1]. Therefore by law, the land ownership remained under its owners of prior to the war. [2] - both laws considered legal by both Israeli and UN Rules. saying that the law is only pro jewish is absurd since Israeli Court also evicted 350 resident of Amona Settelment, after Palestinians showed ownership papers of the land.
in 1982 the residents and the owners came to agreement states that: the resident acknowledge the owner's ownership of the land, and agreed to pay rent to avoid evictions. In 1993 the owners requested eviction of the residents for not paying rent. Some residents asked for cancelation of the agreement, but Israeli court denyied the plea, non agreement between the land owners and its residents, and the residents refusal to pay rent is the main reason of the treat of eviction by the court verdict. [3] [4]
you may add other groups Interpretations of the events, but this is just Interpretations, and not the reasons that given by the court verdict which are being justified by Israel laws. Nahnieli ( talk) 19:11, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=2021_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_crisis&diff=1024662164&oldid=1024660749 Baratiiman ( talk) 13:20, 23 May 2021 (UTC)