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Iskandar323, could you clarify why you have removed this? Which errors have you referred to? Alaexis Âżquestion? 20:08, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
This specific claim is not attributed to Ariel Kahana, what the article is saying is that some time ago he published the warning of Shin Bet head Ronen Bar who said that 40% of those involved in certain types of violence were the descendants of family unions. The two-thirds claim is sourced to the Israeli Cities Organization (×˘×¨× ×׊ר××) and this claim was also reported on by The Jewish Press. This seems like pertinent information, so I'd like to hear policy-based arguments on why it should not be mentioned. Alaexis Âżquestion? 15:09, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Should we mention that the majority of those arrested and indicted for participation in the riots are descendants of mixed marriages between Palestinians residing in Israel and West Bank?
Alaexis Âżquestion? 17:40, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
the majority of those arrested and indicted for participation in the riots are descendants of mixed marriages between Palestiniansis demonstrated to be correct be a reliable source, when the entire discussion above raises serious questions about source reliability. If you think these reasons are wrong, you should hash it out at WP:RSN. Iskandar323 ( talk) 18:50, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Comment On the face of it, looking at the section preceding this RFC, this seems an end run around the usual RS/consensus procedures. It is notable that the OP has not taken either of Maariv (in Hebrew) or Jewish Press to RSN for an opinion there. The original edit, reverted by an editor, was
and this RFC says "Should we mention that the majority of those arrested and indicted for participation in the riots are descendants of mixed marriages between Palestinians residing in Israel and West Bank?" as if that were a fact.
No mention that the "analysis" is compiled by an activist org (ICO) set up by Jews last year following the "riots" (which riots?). There is no explanation for the discrepancy between the already troublesome figures in our article "On 3 June, the police announced the completion of arrests, of 2,142 arrested, 91% were Arab. As of May 2022, around 90% of 600 people indicted are Arabs." and the source/ICO "The folks at âCities of Israelâ went through more than 120 arrest cases and indictments of Arabs on suspicion of committing acts of violence and terrorism in Lod and Ramla alone." So what about all the rest? Is this all the cases in Lod and Ramla? We are not told.
The whole thing appears as an overtly racist hit piece not reported in any more reputable sources and perhaps ought to be seen in the light of Israeli infighting over the renewal of the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law. Selfstudier ( talk) 19:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
And now Makor Rishon, an absolute trash source, is being seriously offered up above. Unreliable sources do not add to any weight argument, and if the only places you can find racist propaganda to be in sources with a history of pushing racist propaganda, then maybe it is just racist propaganda and not material suited to an encyclopedia article. nableezy - 16:53, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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The figthing was pretty huge and this was a full war why canât this be called as the 2021 gasworks war or 11 days war in Gaza 2600:6C50:1B00:3B6B:CD2:F864:FB5F:7473 ( talk) 08:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
The introduction of this page contains a typo; "who then stormed the Al-Aqsa Mosque compoundl" should become "who then stormed the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound", without the extra "l" at the end. Paljaske01 ( talk) 19:25, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
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Iskandar323, could you clarify why you have removed this? Which errors have you referred to? Alaexis Âżquestion? 20:08, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
This specific claim is not attributed to Ariel Kahana, what the article is saying is that some time ago he published the warning of Shin Bet head Ronen Bar who said that 40% of those involved in certain types of violence were the descendants of family unions. The two-thirds claim is sourced to the Israeli Cities Organization (×˘×¨× ×׊ר××) and this claim was also reported on by The Jewish Press. This seems like pertinent information, so I'd like to hear policy-based arguments on why it should not be mentioned. Alaexis Âżquestion? 15:09, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
Should we mention that the majority of those arrested and indicted for participation in the riots are descendants of mixed marriages between Palestinians residing in Israel and West Bank?
Alaexis Âżquestion? 17:40, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
the majority of those arrested and indicted for participation in the riots are descendants of mixed marriages between Palestiniansis demonstrated to be correct be a reliable source, when the entire discussion above raises serious questions about source reliability. If you think these reasons are wrong, you should hash it out at WP:RSN. Iskandar323 ( talk) 18:50, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
Comment On the face of it, looking at the section preceding this RFC, this seems an end run around the usual RS/consensus procedures. It is notable that the OP has not taken either of Maariv (in Hebrew) or Jewish Press to RSN for an opinion there. The original edit, reverted by an editor, was
and this RFC says "Should we mention that the majority of those arrested and indicted for participation in the riots are descendants of mixed marriages between Palestinians residing in Israel and West Bank?" as if that were a fact.
No mention that the "analysis" is compiled by an activist org (ICO) set up by Jews last year following the "riots" (which riots?). There is no explanation for the discrepancy between the already troublesome figures in our article "On 3 June, the police announced the completion of arrests, of 2,142 arrested, 91% were Arab. As of May 2022, around 90% of 600 people indicted are Arabs." and the source/ICO "The folks at âCities of Israelâ went through more than 120 arrest cases and indictments of Arabs on suspicion of committing acts of violence and terrorism in Lod and Ramla alone." So what about all the rest? Is this all the cases in Lod and Ramla? We are not told.
The whole thing appears as an overtly racist hit piece not reported in any more reputable sources and perhaps ought to be seen in the light of Israeli infighting over the renewal of the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law. Selfstudier ( talk) 19:00, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
And now Makor Rishon, an absolute trash source, is being seriously offered up above. Unreliable sources do not add to any weight argument, and if the only places you can find racist propaganda to be in sources with a history of pushing racist propaganda, then maybe it is just racist propaganda and not material suited to an encyclopedia article. nableezy - 16:53, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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The figthing was pretty huge and this was a full war why canât this be called as the 2021 gasworks war or 11 days war in Gaza 2600:6C50:1B00:3B6B:CD2:F864:FB5F:7473 ( talk) 08:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
The introduction of this page contains a typo; "who then stormed the Al-Aqsa Mosque compoundl" should become "who then stormed the Al-Aqsa Mosque compound", without the extra "l" at the end. Paljaske01 ( talk) 19:25, 5 July 2023 (UTC)