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Note I went ahead and renamed the article and the AfD to 2019 Hyderabad gang rape, (along the lines of 2012 Delhi gang rape) mainly due to the WP:BLP concerns on the privacy of the victim and her family, also it is against the Indian laws to name a rape victim. Moreover in my opinion the case is notable not the subject. other options for the title are 2019 Shamsabad gang rape or 2019 Shamsabad murder case or 2019 Hyderabad veterinary murder case-- DBig Xrayᗙ 14:23, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
I agree upon the laws and removed it. Abishe ( talk) 08:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
User:Gravestep I found that Gulfnews has a detailed coverage of the event. you can refer this link for more info, since you are helping to improve the page. Regards. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 15:36, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Name of victim can be taken if they’re published in RS. See Kathua case or Nirbhaya case. All case have names of victim namely Asifa Bano and Jyoti Singh. DBigXray, I agree with page move but not with removing name of victim. Hope it clarifies,— Harshil want to talk? 15:55, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
These "other stuff exists" arguments can be valid or invalid.I’m pinging @ Kautilya3: to know whether it is valid to take name of rape victim or not. Thanks, Harshil want to talk? 16:46, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Hey guys. I'm not a registered editor, just a user passing through. My perspective is that Wikipedia looses its core appeal when a quick google search can turn up more in-depth/accurate info on a story than the Wikipedia article can. I think of Wikipedia as the place I come to learn more about a story that I've merely gotten a surface level understanding of from news websites, but intentionally obscuring information, as you're doing here, creates the opposite dynamic. Finally, I feel like the policy you're citing for this is being misapplied here. Look at any other Wikipedia article about high-profile crime cases for a sharp contrast on depth-of-information concerning the victims. For example, Wikipedia's article about Russell Williams (criminal) lists the full names of both of his rape/murder victims. 2601:18A:8300:1920:7C37:5576:622F:7518 ( talk) 04:25, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
I would suggest article title being changed to Death of (name of victim) as is the naming convention. Yogesh Khandke ( talk) 05:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
The victim has not been publicly identified due to India's laws against naming sexual assault victims." On the contrary, to what you claim, there is WP:BLPCRIME. Read the threads above instead of wasting everyone's time-- DBig Xrayᗙ 05:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Is there some reason why the victim's name is not mentioned in the article? I assume that there is. At the same time, however, I found her name mentioned seven times in the "references" section. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 06:47, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
I have some links from reliable sources which proves how this issue was used by some frimges to communalise the issue. We should add it. Edward Zigma ( talk) 16:22, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
References
And user Harshil169 ( talk · contribs) next time instead of again reverting my edits and falling into the disputes for which we both are known about, try to have a discussion in the talk section. I add things with minute care and precautions and again falling into the disruptive behaviour which you have reverted once again, try to have a cool n calm composition. I have added the link with explicitly naming BJP MLAs. Edward Zigma ( talk) 19:09, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Version2 Out of the four accused, there were three Hindus and one Muslim. BJP MLA Raja Singh, BJP’s IT Cell chief Amit Malviya and some party supporters tried to give the incident a false communal spin by selectively focussing on the Muslim accused. Hyderabad Police stated that it will take action against such people and the DCP stated "It is absolutely not communal in nature as the accused are of all communities so it is incorrect to say it is anything related to religion."
Version3 Out of the four accused, there were three Hindus and one was Muslim. BJP MLA Raja Singh, BJP’s IT Cell chief Amit Malviya and some party supporters tried to give the incident a false communal spin by selectively focussing on the Muslim accused. Efforts were made to single out one Muslim out of four perpetrators of the crime and paint it as violence by Muslim against a Hindu girl. Hyderabad Police stated that it will take action against such people and the DCP stated "It is absolutely not communal in nature as the accused are of all communities so it is incorrect to say it is anything related to religion."
Madhu Kishwar who frequently shares fake news and communal and sensitive content tweeted the above Swarajya story claiming, "And they tell us we shouldn't be #Islamophobic If this is what they do when they are a so called minority, imagine our fate when they morph into a majority." [1]
@ DBigXray: Vice-President of India Venkiah Naidu said, "What is required is not a new bill. What is required is political will, administrative skill, change of mindset and then go for kill of the social evil." Can we add this statement directly to Discussion in Parliament section or should I change it into passive voice?-- Unknown3599 ( talk) 18:36, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Why do people want to delete the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by C1MM ( talk • contribs)
The article has been nominated for Afd since 1 December 2019 and I think possibly it will be closed on 7 December 2019. But the issue is why can't we have WP:Non-admin closure for controversial topics. Here most most of them have voted to keep the article. But my issue is I would like to take this article to ITN news section as the accused people have been shot dead. So if we delay further we might not able to nominate the article to the main page. I think the article deserved to be nominated as it is well sourced with abundant information. I don't see copyediting issues here. Abishe ( talk) 11:18, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Is a tweet in this format suitable for the article? I have taken reference to the first line from the section Attempt to communalise:
Cyberabad Police @cyberabadpolice ...All the accused not belongs to one religion. One is Muslim and remaining 3 are Hindus....
5 Dec, 2019 [1]
DTM ( talk) 11:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
References
"The accused have been encountered. And I feel very happy," she said.
[1] --
Kautilya3 (
talk)
14:20, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Does encounter refer to any killing by police, or is it an extrajudicial, i.e. not part of legal process, killing? The Encounter killings by police article, The Guardian and The New York Times seem to say encounter reders to extrajudicial killings. But the police state they were in self-defense. Is that an encounter, or an alleged encounter?— Bagumba ( talk) 17:54, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@
DBigXray: Can there be a police encounter without a killing? In the lead source at
Encounter killings by police, it says Malir saw 195 police encounters from January to October 2012, in which 18 people were killed and 276 arrested
[2], i.e. fewer killings than encounters. In that usage, it seems like standard English usage of encounter.—
Bagumba (
talk)
02:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Encounter killing ... is a term used in South Asia ... to describe extrajudicial killings by the policeif they are not all necessarily extrajudicial. I imagine quite a few non-Indian English speakers would not know. (Even better if reliable sources that explain this can be cited)— Bagumba ( talk) 06:09, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
All four accused were killed in an "encounter", a term used in India for extrajudicial killings by police," I think this is just fine. Here are some sources that can be added. [1] [2] -- DBig Xrayᗙ 09:03, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
References
I have removed the names of the suspects as the non notable accused were not convicted and hence naming them will be a violation of WP:BLPNAME. accordingly I have reverted User:Justlookingforthemoment. Folks can share their opinions on the same in this thread. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 09:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
User:Kautilya3 based on the discussion with you at GCG's talk page, I felt a background section is merited here. I think it is a common thought that comes to the mind, what is happening in India. so I felt this section was needed. Feel free to expand it with relevant content that suits the background. Several news articles on Hyd rape also had background section. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 12:27, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
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Note I went ahead and renamed the article and the AfD to 2019 Hyderabad gang rape, (along the lines of 2012 Delhi gang rape) mainly due to the WP:BLP concerns on the privacy of the victim and her family, also it is against the Indian laws to name a rape victim. Moreover in my opinion the case is notable not the subject. other options for the title are 2019 Shamsabad gang rape or 2019 Shamsabad murder case or 2019 Hyderabad veterinary murder case-- DBig Xrayᗙ 14:23, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
I agree upon the laws and removed it. Abishe ( talk) 08:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
User:Gravestep I found that Gulfnews has a detailed coverage of the event. you can refer this link for more info, since you are helping to improve the page. Regards. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 15:36, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Name of victim can be taken if they’re published in RS. See Kathua case or Nirbhaya case. All case have names of victim namely Asifa Bano and Jyoti Singh. DBigXray, I agree with page move but not with removing name of victim. Hope it clarifies,— Harshil want to talk? 15:55, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
These "other stuff exists" arguments can be valid or invalid.I’m pinging @ Kautilya3: to know whether it is valid to take name of rape victim or not. Thanks, Harshil want to talk? 16:46, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
Hey guys. I'm not a registered editor, just a user passing through. My perspective is that Wikipedia looses its core appeal when a quick google search can turn up more in-depth/accurate info on a story than the Wikipedia article can. I think of Wikipedia as the place I come to learn more about a story that I've merely gotten a surface level understanding of from news websites, but intentionally obscuring information, as you're doing here, creates the opposite dynamic. Finally, I feel like the policy you're citing for this is being misapplied here. Look at any other Wikipedia article about high-profile crime cases for a sharp contrast on depth-of-information concerning the victims. For example, Wikipedia's article about Russell Williams (criminal) lists the full names of both of his rape/murder victims. 2601:18A:8300:1920:7C37:5576:622F:7518 ( talk) 04:25, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
I would suggest article title being changed to Death of (name of victim) as is the naming convention. Yogesh Khandke ( talk) 05:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
The victim has not been publicly identified due to India's laws against naming sexual assault victims." On the contrary, to what you claim, there is WP:BLPCRIME. Read the threads above instead of wasting everyone's time-- DBig Xrayᗙ 05:28, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Is there some reason why the victim's name is not mentioned in the article? I assume that there is. At the same time, however, I found her name mentioned seven times in the "references" section. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 06:47, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
I have some links from reliable sources which proves how this issue was used by some frimges to communalise the issue. We should add it. Edward Zigma ( talk) 16:22, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
References
And user Harshil169 ( talk · contribs) next time instead of again reverting my edits and falling into the disputes for which we both are known about, try to have a discussion in the talk section. I add things with minute care and precautions and again falling into the disruptive behaviour which you have reverted once again, try to have a cool n calm composition. I have added the link with explicitly naming BJP MLAs. Edward Zigma ( talk) 19:09, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Version2 Out of the four accused, there were three Hindus and one Muslim. BJP MLA Raja Singh, BJP’s IT Cell chief Amit Malviya and some party supporters tried to give the incident a false communal spin by selectively focussing on the Muslim accused. Hyderabad Police stated that it will take action against such people and the DCP stated "It is absolutely not communal in nature as the accused are of all communities so it is incorrect to say it is anything related to religion."
Version3 Out of the four accused, there were three Hindus and one was Muslim. BJP MLA Raja Singh, BJP’s IT Cell chief Amit Malviya and some party supporters tried to give the incident a false communal spin by selectively focussing on the Muslim accused. Efforts were made to single out one Muslim out of four perpetrators of the crime and paint it as violence by Muslim against a Hindu girl. Hyderabad Police stated that it will take action against such people and the DCP stated "It is absolutely not communal in nature as the accused are of all communities so it is incorrect to say it is anything related to religion."
Madhu Kishwar who frequently shares fake news and communal and sensitive content tweeted the above Swarajya story claiming, "And they tell us we shouldn't be #Islamophobic If this is what they do when they are a so called minority, imagine our fate when they morph into a majority." [1]
@ DBigXray: Vice-President of India Venkiah Naidu said, "What is required is not a new bill. What is required is political will, administrative skill, change of mindset and then go for kill of the social evil." Can we add this statement directly to Discussion in Parliament section or should I change it into passive voice?-- Unknown3599 ( talk) 18:36, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Why do people want to delete the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by C1MM ( talk • contribs)
The article has been nominated for Afd since 1 December 2019 and I think possibly it will be closed on 7 December 2019. But the issue is why can't we have WP:Non-admin closure for controversial topics. Here most most of them have voted to keep the article. But my issue is I would like to take this article to ITN news section as the accused people have been shot dead. So if we delay further we might not able to nominate the article to the main page. I think the article deserved to be nominated as it is well sourced with abundant information. I don't see copyediting issues here. Abishe ( talk) 11:18, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Is a tweet in this format suitable for the article? I have taken reference to the first line from the section Attempt to communalise:
Cyberabad Police @cyberabadpolice ...All the accused not belongs to one religion. One is Muslim and remaining 3 are Hindus....
5 Dec, 2019 [1]
DTM ( talk) 11:49, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
References
"The accused have been encountered. And I feel very happy," she said.
[1] --
Kautilya3 (
talk)
14:20, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Does encounter refer to any killing by police, or is it an extrajudicial, i.e. not part of legal process, killing? The Encounter killings by police article, The Guardian and The New York Times seem to say encounter reders to extrajudicial killings. But the police state they were in self-defense. Is that an encounter, or an alleged encounter?— Bagumba ( talk) 17:54, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@
DBigXray: Can there be a police encounter without a killing? In the lead source at
Encounter killings by police, it says Malir saw 195 police encounters from January to October 2012, in which 18 people were killed and 276 arrested
[2], i.e. fewer killings than encounters. In that usage, it seems like standard English usage of encounter.—
Bagumba (
talk)
02:05, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Encounter killing ... is a term used in South Asia ... to describe extrajudicial killings by the policeif they are not all necessarily extrajudicial. I imagine quite a few non-Indian English speakers would not know. (Even better if reliable sources that explain this can be cited)— Bagumba ( talk) 06:09, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
All four accused were killed in an "encounter", a term used in India for extrajudicial killings by police," I think this is just fine. Here are some sources that can be added. [1] [2] -- DBig Xrayᗙ 09:03, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
References
I have removed the names of the suspects as the non notable accused were not convicted and hence naming them will be a violation of WP:BLPNAME. accordingly I have reverted User:Justlookingforthemoment. Folks can share their opinions on the same in this thread. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 09:11, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
User:Kautilya3 based on the discussion with you at GCG's talk page, I felt a background section is merited here. I think it is a common thought that comes to the mind, what is happening in India. so I felt this section was needed. Feel free to expand it with relevant content that suits the background. Several news articles on Hyd rape also had background section. -- DBig Xrayᗙ 12:27, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Priyanka Reddy Rape Case. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. signed, Rosguill talk 18:27, 27 December 2019 (UTC)