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Economists and economic newspapers think it is economic luxury to host a sports event of this size in a newly industrialized country like Brazil or Russia. German economists suggest at least two measures to make such events sustainable: first, build less. And second, the organizing associations should participate finance the sports venues. The large stadiums and streets are not used any more after the event. For a football world championship 8 instead of 12 stadiums should be sufficient, only 4 big ones. The Brasilia, Manaus, Cuiaba and Natal stadiums are feared to become so called "white elephants" after the championship as there is no team in the top three domestic divisions. It is known from other cities that the question may turn out into either/or questoins (stadium or hospital e.g.). [1] It is not necessary to distribute the venues across half a continent, public viewing is sufficiently suited to give a similar atmosphere. The effect is especially disastrous if the relation of investments compared to the assets is as low as in Brazil, and the event drains a significant chunk of the total money spent. It As a consequence, they fear that Olympic games and football world championships will in future only be hosted in countries with authoritarian regimes. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] That public spending can be secured is partly attributed to the low cost sports persons have to media in their effort to promote subsidization. [10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThurnerRupert ( talk • contribs) 18:16, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
I've just posted at Talk:2014 FIFA World Cup Group A regarding whether we should be referring to those in charge as 'managers' or 'head coaches', but I thought it might interest some of the people here, and might be more likely to get a response if I notified users here as well. If you're replying, it'd be best to reply on the group A talkpage, rather than here, so that we can keep any comments together. - 97rob ( talk) 20:19, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure why we're seeing the edit war here, but I would prefer to leave the article and discuss here.
Are the main issues the section names (venues vs stadiums) and whether to include capacity, whether it's a new or renovated facility and in which stages the facility will be used?
The main article uses the word "venues" and so it makes sense to use that term here as well. The fact that it was the term used in the South Africa tournament article is also a good reason to use the term. I believe that term was chosen because "stadia" is the preferred term for our British readers, but its not a well-known term in North America, and "stadiums" was causing conflict. WP:COMMONALITY: no one gets to use their preferred term and we settled on venues, which is equally awkward for all English readers.
As for pulling detailed information out because it's in the child article I would ask, why is there a sub-article? As for what the 2010 article contained: linked city name, linked stadium name with a reference, linked coordinates, capacity and stadium image. The image was usually an image of the pitch and one was an aerial image, but South Africa has some copyright issues related to whether external images could be used when the photo was taken from another private building. I won't bore you with the details but the current images in both the venues article and this one are the same, so we don't have to worry for now.
So I'm not sure that we need whether the venue is purpose-built or renovated, or for what stages the venue will be used. Let's talk it out.
FYI: I have requested page protection, so don't be surprised if that happens. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:19, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
It seems that the ticketing section is also contentious. Removing a section is not vandalism if it's clearly explained. It appears to have also been moved to a the venues article. Does anything need to remain here if it's explained in detail there? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:27, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Not sure if it needed to be trimmed, but the removal of content is not vandalism either. What needs to stay and what may go? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:27, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
I like to propose a new current event tag:
the reason being that the normal one just tells you something you already known and doesn't guide you to what's current. It is supposed to be updated with round of 16, quater finals, semi finals, third place play-off and final.
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The 2014 FIFA World Cup is a current event. Information may change rapidly as the event progresses. Time table: Knock-out stage, 28 June - 13 July |
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Update the rankings and keep in line with previous World Cups. Correctron ( talk) 22:51, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
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Anyone can make the kits of all teams? Or at least, open the space to others start helping?
Thks! 188.80.193.166 ( talk) 22:55, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
A section with all the kits (like the ones with squads, or venues, or the fan fests) will improve the article IMHO 188.80.204.197 ( talk) 22:23, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
" Brazilian riot police use tear gas to disperse protesters in São Paulo amid rising tensions between protestors and the government over the cost of the World Cup]]." ... example:
99.181.131.34 ( talk) 22:19, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I don´t have access to google and other pages of www so if someone will add information and photos of the great opening ceremony i think it will b great for all users of Wikpedia and we will b greatfull... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.225.242.246 ( talk) 04:35, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I noticed the times for matches played in Manaus and Cuiaba aren't right. These cities are an hour behind, so the start times should be listed an hour sooner, mirroring the official schedule of FIFA.
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donadio.j ( talk • contribs) 11:21, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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External links Find more about 2014 FIFA World Cup at Wikipedia's sister projects Media from Commons News stories from Wikinews Travel guide from Wikivoyage Database entry Q79859 on Wikidata Portal icon Association football portal Official website Official Brazil government website (Portuguese) (English) (Spanish) Also check out www.wcfooty.blogspot.com 114.143.148.32 ( talk) 13:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Are the doves of peace, scheduled to be released before each of the matches, classed as an "innovation" or a "utility"? It seems that two of the three birds relased before the opening match did not survive: [1], but probably hardly surprising. Martinevans123 ( talk) 11:39, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Could we also have a sound file, or a link to one, in the Note for the name of the event in the info box? Plenty of sources seem to exist: e.g. [2]. Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:17, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Why is the country shown as "Ivory Coast"? I saw the match on the tv, and the teams were "Côte d'Ivoire" and "Japan". Does it mean that FIFA does not decide what is shown on tv? 82.141.66.140 ( talk) 03:41, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Match 30, United States vs. Portugal, starts at 18:00 local time in Manaus (UTC-4), which is 19:00 in UTC−3. According to note 4, all times should be specified in Brasília official time (UTC-3). 85.244.127.238 ( talk) 12:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
'Leading goalscorers' credits this player with having scored two goals in his initial appearance. But I think you will find that one of these was actually an own goal by the opposition goalie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkyHighSelfregard ( talk • contribs) 12:06, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
I suggest someone to standardize the stadiums links. For example, Arena de São Paulo, instead of Arena de São Paulo in this article and the other way in the group and knockout stages detailed articles, and the stadiums with corporate naming ( Arena Fonte Nova and Arena Pernambuco, instead of only Arena Fonte Nova and Arena Pernambuco. Also the kick-off time for United States vs Portugal in Manaus is wrong, given the consensus of putting all the kick-offs at the Brasília Time, it will be 19:00 Brasília Time. Thank you.-- 144.64.78.89 ( talk) 10:54, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
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Muller of Germany is now the top scorer with 3 goals.
You should probably change those top scorers.
Have a nice day!
99.115.12.175 ( talk) 17:45, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Under innovations -> technologies, it says "The previous World Cup was a catalyst for the decision to adopt technology after England were wrongly denied a goal in their round of 16 tie against Germany.[25]". This is incorrect; the match between England and Germany did not result in a tie, but in a 4-1 win for Germany (this is significant because even if the goal were counted, Germany would have won; while England was indeed wrongly denied the goal, it did not affect the overall outcome of the match). [1] [2] Kw1130 ( talk) 20:54, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
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What is the reason for not including discussion on the possible cases on 2nd and 3rd group games? I am sure there are plenty of sources that (will) discuss the possible scenarios, so why not include them temporarily? Nergaal ( talk) 21:19, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
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Extant vandalism of 'Portugal' should be reverted to 'Winner of group G' in Knockout stage section as the team in this position has not yet been determined 82.29.235.78 ( talk) 19:48, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Dear all. I wanted to get some ideas of how other contributors feels about something, and how to handle it. I'm cross-posting to Talk:Adidas Brazuca as well as it involves that page. Certainly on the main Adidas Brazuca there are contributor(s) who feel that the ball is made in Pakistan is worthy of putting in the introductory paragraph. This is despite (1) the fact it is misleading as it is also made in China, and (2) it is mentioned in the production section of the page. I also feel that it is not notable enough to go in the main introduction section. This also applies to the paragraph in 2014 FIFA World Cup where this statement gets repeatedly inserted, where I think it is something that can be seen in the main Adidas Brazuca page. The comment on adding it to the Brazuca page is "Why this gets removed? Hate mongering against Pakistan?". Eventually I will run up to the three revert rule and was seeking concensus with the group how to handle it: (a) delete it, (b) keep it and also add in it is made in China? - With Thanks Master Of Ninja ( talk) 16:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
I suggest that we remove the base camp table, it seems excessively detailed for the parent article. Soerfm ( talk) 17:15, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm a little unclear on the prize money table ( 2014 FIFA World Cup#Prize money). The numbers don't add to 576 million, even if I include the 1.5 million in prep costs per team. What am I doing wrong? Abductive ( reasoning) 00:57, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
So tell me, how much info on the group matches have we actually decided to include in this article? I was under the impression that we had decided only to include the date, time, result and venue, but the way the page is currently set up seems to indicate that people are intending to add goalscorer, attendance and referee info. If we treat this article as similar to 2013–14 UEFA Champions League, I would be vehemently opposed to adding that extra info until we reach the knockout stage. – Pee Jay 12:53, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree, you should keep the info until the group stage ends. I take all the information from this article, especially the games times, now I have to visit every Group's article, and it's a mess, since there are times in UTC-3 and UTC-4. The user who decided to change the layout of Groups A to D (and maybe the rest later) shouldn't have done that. People show a lot of information, so what? it's an event in progress and millions visit the wikipedia article about 2014 WC, it will end in less than a month, and after that, you can reduce the information to meet wikipedia's standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexsd27 ( talk • contribs) 00:30, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
I see two innovations, the goal line technology, and the vanishing spray. They definitely belong under a heading of "Innovations". The only other content is about the name of the ball, which seems far more a commercial promotion than an innovation. I see no utilities. To be honest, I have no idea what is meant by that word. Can anyone explain? HiLo48 ( talk) 08:07, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
RE: The goal line technology supplier, I was listening to Radio Derby this afternoon and they were interviewing a Derbyshire based firm who said they'd suupplied it, so who has? Derbyshire or Germany? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.3 ( talk) 19:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Are the so-called "cooling breaks" not an innovation: [4]? Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:40, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
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122.170.34.92 ( talk) 09:09, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.
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In the "Team base camps" section, it reads "Only five teams have opted to stay in the northern region of Brazil", where it should actually read "Only five teams have opted to stay in the northeastern region of Brazil, and none in the northern or western regions".-- Pedro Aguiar ( talk) 19:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Alexis Sanchez of Chile has scored only one, not two goals.
Already corrected!
What's the MOS about having those mini-tables that state if "X team beat Y team, they'll progress" or if "X team beat Y team and score more goals than Z team, they'll progress", for each group? Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:21, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
With the Colombia 2-1 Cote d'Ivoire result just in, an edit has been made which added that result *and* color-coded Colombia as having secured advancement to the knockout round. The latter is not true -- Colombia is not yet safe. If Japan win their last two matches (against Greece and Colombia), *and* if Cote d'Ivoire win their last match, there can be a three way tie at 6 points and GD will decide the two to advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.250.22.6 ( talk) 18:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Followup -- fixed quickly, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.250.22.6 ( talk) 18:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
James rodriguez has scored 2 goals — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.14.189.28 ( talk) 18:37, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
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Score Uruguay - England 1-0 Fred301278 ( talk) 19:51, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Not done No
WP:LIVESCORES The game is still on.
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Someone has indicated that Colombia is already through to the round of 16. If Japan wins against both Greece and Colombia, and Ivory Coast also wins against Greece, then Colombia could still be eliminated on goal difference. Teams should not be indicated as eliminated or progressed until it is certain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.58.103.197 ( talk) 21:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Colombia is currently not classified. Consider Japan winning 2-0, and in the next matches, Japan and Cote Ivory winning 3-0 each one. They both would be able to classify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.97.110.60 ( talk) 21:22, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
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If Italy defeats both Uruguay and Costa Rica, then England will be able to pass on. 85.74.125.119 ( talk) 04:27, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
England is not eliminated. England will only be eliminated if Italy does not defeat Costa Rica tomorrow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.58.103.197 ( talk) 04:19, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
I was just coming to post this same edit request -- while their likelihood of advancing is quite low, England is not yet eliminated mathematically. This makes four times today I've seen colors set for advancement or elimination prematurely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.149.24 ( talk) 04:24, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Sorry. They would by UEFA rules, but FIFA works with overall goal differences. forget it.
If the current trend continues, the goal average will be the highest since 1958. It's probably too early to put in the article but it's worth keeping an eye on. Sophie means wisdom ( talk) 07:19, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Costa Rica hasn't won the group just yet, so they shouldn't be included in the "Knockout phase"-section at this moment in time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.220.62.78 ( talk) 07:58, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
I wanted to point out, since the lead of the section says "The following players are currently serving suspensions", does that mean we remove them from the list when it's over? Palacios just served his against Ecuador for example, so should he be removed from the list now? Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 00:23, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Important note for those of us who will use preliminary results in group stage to place teams in any specific order, or to mark teams as qualified for playoffs (or lost their chance to qualify):
When teams in a group have equal number of points, then goals for and goals against are considered before their head-to-head game results (see the official rules).
6 points themselves don't guarantee the team qualify for the playoffs (it's possible for three teams within a group to finish group stage with 6 pts).
128.72.179.187 ( talk) 16:03, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Similar to this, in Group D Costa Rica also reserved the 1st place after defeating bont 3-point teams Italy and Uruguay. Any of these would receive another 3 in last match, would finish only on second place independently from what Costa Rica plays. So, top positions in these 2 groups are already given away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.61.110.82 ( talk) 11:44, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
List of 2014 FIFA World Cup matches → 2014 FIFA World Cup
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Les Bleus (France) won twice, that means that they can qualify for the Round of 16. 24.15.125.242 ( talk) 18:40, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Not done They can still be eliminated if both Ecuador and Switzerland win their next matches and with a high enough goal differential, although it would be highly unlikely.
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I don't want to create an edit war so I will ask for others opinions: The opening has been edited to say "but they were eliminated at the group stage by Chile". The phrase by Chile has been added multiple times. In my thinking a team can not be eliminated by one other team in the group stage, it is a combination of multiple losses. It doesn't matter that when they lost to Chile is the moment they were mathematically eliminated, they lost to two teams. Am I mistaken in this? Chris1834 ( talk) 21:05, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Why are they in here? I can think of so many more important things to feature in this article. I will go ahead and remove them. Nergaal ( talk) 22:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure when the change was, but FIFA is no longer referring to to "Arena de São Paulo" but rather to "Arena Corinthians". [5] [6] The PDF report, which isn't the linked reference, uses the other name: [7] as does the main arena page: [8]. I would argue that whatever the referenced report states is what should be used rather than a knee-jerk edit war to keep Arena de São Paulo in place. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 01:30, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
In the group F and G pages both shirts have Adidas and Puma logos respectively and I can't remove only the logos. Is there anyone who can do that?. Thanks.-- The Replicator ( talk) 16:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Goalscores are shown for the wrong team. Please fix it. 91.60.228.104 ( talk) 20:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Karim Benzema is not only top scorer with 4 goals, he scored 3 goals(2 goals on the first match and one goal today). So fix it and add Van Persie, Muller and Robben. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.2.252.139 ( talk) 21:20, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't France be green? 204.77.216.10 ( talk) 23:09, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Yohan Cabaye was booked in the 88th minute and will be suspended for the game against Ecuador, so please include him in the disciplinary section. THX — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.220.62.78 ( talk) 00:00, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
England are not out yet win & uruuag or chile loss and they can go though — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.38.140 ( talk) 20:24, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
That has been on and off in the Group B table. If the top 2 teams have been decided, that should be removed, right? – H T D 13:42, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Were the electronic boards used to signal substitutions and to show added time used at the last World Cup? They seem to have a sponsors name on. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I suggest hilighting Spain and Austrailia (in group B) in red,as they are already eliminated Oskar Kopaczewski ( talk) 19:51, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
This phrasing is meaningless and confusing. There has to be a better way of explaining a team still has games to play but can't advance - I'd suggest simply "Team cannot advance" or "Team cannot mathematically advance"? I don't understand the added benefit of the word 'preliminarily' here, and so I removed it, but someone's immediately reverted the change. ✤ Fosse 8 ✤ 15:51, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
During the second group stage game against Cameroon Croatia-captain Darijo Srna set a FIFA World Cup record of the fastest sprint recorded in the history of the tournament, with a 32.98km/h psrint, beating a record previously set by Arjen Robben at the 2014 World Cup earlier.samw tournament edition [1] [2]
Who can add it to the article? I can't edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.89.66 ( talk) 07:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
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See Talk:Estádio do Maracanã#Requested move to Maracanã Stadium June 2014 for a requested move for Estádio do Maracanã to Maracanã Stadium. Hey mid ( contribs) 17:03, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Since there is a reference to the elimination of Spain at the group stage in the first section, someone could also put a small mention to the fact that this happened for the fourth time in the history of the World Cup (after Brazil in 1966, France in 2002 and Italy in 2010) or somethin like that.-- Nakinn ( talk) 07:59, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Mario Balotelli is listed as having to serve a suspension for a Euro Cup qualifying match, but the 2014 FIFA World Cup disciplinary record page says that players who receive their second yellow in their final match of the World Cup will not be suspended beyond the tournament. This means he should be removed from the list, or am I missing something? -- Geelcat ( talk) 07:30, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
I think now you can add Final Standings where 30th is Australia, 31st is Honduras and 32nd is Cameroon because all the teams left yet to play already have at least one point so we know that standings will be like this for the last 3 places on the WC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.207.46.11 ( talk) 22:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I wanted to bring to your notice that the country Paraguay is not highlighted in the map of qualified teams for the world cup. Paraguay national football team did qualify in the past for many world cups 203.99.208.1 ( talk) 14:06, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Regards, Ronald Wilson India.
Does it make any sense that once all matches in a given group are played, the red color (#fcc) is removed from the eliminated teams? IMO, the red color should stay to help convey the message that all play in that group is over and the results are final. Any thoughts? Johnnyjanko ( talk) 06:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you guys. This makes perfect sense. Johnnyjanko ( talk) 18:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
From now on there are no more teams that have games to play but are eliminated. So I see no point in having red used since if there are 2 green then my default the others are eliminated, and whoever is left in white is not mathematically eliminated. Nergaal ( talk) 19:39, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Under Statistics - Goalscorers, Luis Suarez is in bold, as Uruguay are still in the competition. However, with the header saying "Players rendered in bold are still active in the competition," should he be removed, as he is no longer active? If not, then it should rather say "Players rendered in bold represent nations still active in the competition" or similar. 121.221.167.151 ( talk) 19:01, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
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In 2014 Fifa World Cup Disciplinary Section, The red card Pepe got against Germany is not mentioned. He got suspended for the next match against USA. Please add that. Thank you 124.124.14.25 ( talk) 04:29, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
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Please correct the following sentence below, as it has a couple of errors. First error, please correct 20014 to 2014. Second error, the 24.7 million viewers for the USA / Portugal soccer match does not exceed the 115 million viewers for Super Bowl XLVIII, so should be reworded.
Worldwide, several games have qualified as the most-watched sporting events in their country in 20014, including 42.9 million people in Brazil for the opening game between Brazil and Croatia, the 34.1 million in Japan who saw their team play Ivory Coast, 26.4 million in Germany who saw the home team beat Portugal, and 24.7 million viewers in the U.S. during the game between USA and Portugal.
134.223.230.154 ( talk) 18:26, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Tim Cahill from Australia was suspended from the third game (vs Spain) for second yellow in the tournament (received vs Netherlands). Please update table. Bevstarrunner ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 02:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
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Economists and economic newspapers think it is economic luxury to host a sports event of this size in a newly industrialized country like Brazil or Russia. German economists suggest at least two measures to make such events sustainable: first, build less. And second, the organizing associations should participate finance the sports venues. The large stadiums and streets are not used any more after the event. For a football world championship 8 instead of 12 stadiums should be sufficient, only 4 big ones. The Brasilia, Manaus, Cuiaba and Natal stadiums are feared to become so called "white elephants" after the championship as there is no team in the top three domestic divisions. It is known from other cities that the question may turn out into either/or questoins (stadium or hospital e.g.). [1] It is not necessary to distribute the venues across half a continent, public viewing is sufficiently suited to give a similar atmosphere. The effect is especially disastrous if the relation of investments compared to the assets is as low as in Brazil, and the event drains a significant chunk of the total money spent. It As a consequence, they fear that Olympic games and football world championships will in future only be hosted in countries with authoritarian regimes. [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] That public spending can be secured is partly attributed to the low cost sports persons have to media in their effort to promote subsidization. [10] — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThurnerRupert ( talk • contribs) 18:16, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
I've just posted at Talk:2014 FIFA World Cup Group A regarding whether we should be referring to those in charge as 'managers' or 'head coaches', but I thought it might interest some of the people here, and might be more likely to get a response if I notified users here as well. If you're replying, it'd be best to reply on the group A talkpage, rather than here, so that we can keep any comments together. - 97rob ( talk) 20:19, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure why we're seeing the edit war here, but I would prefer to leave the article and discuss here.
Are the main issues the section names (venues vs stadiums) and whether to include capacity, whether it's a new or renovated facility and in which stages the facility will be used?
The main article uses the word "venues" and so it makes sense to use that term here as well. The fact that it was the term used in the South Africa tournament article is also a good reason to use the term. I believe that term was chosen because "stadia" is the preferred term for our British readers, but its not a well-known term in North America, and "stadiums" was causing conflict. WP:COMMONALITY: no one gets to use their preferred term and we settled on venues, which is equally awkward for all English readers.
As for pulling detailed information out because it's in the child article I would ask, why is there a sub-article? As for what the 2010 article contained: linked city name, linked stadium name with a reference, linked coordinates, capacity and stadium image. The image was usually an image of the pitch and one was an aerial image, but South Africa has some copyright issues related to whether external images could be used when the photo was taken from another private building. I won't bore you with the details but the current images in both the venues article and this one are the same, so we don't have to worry for now.
So I'm not sure that we need whether the venue is purpose-built or renovated, or for what stages the venue will be used. Let's talk it out.
FYI: I have requested page protection, so don't be surprised if that happens. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:19, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
It seems that the ticketing section is also contentious. Removing a section is not vandalism if it's clearly explained. It appears to have also been moved to a the venues article. Does anything need to remain here if it's explained in detail there? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:27, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Not sure if it needed to be trimmed, but the removal of content is not vandalism either. What needs to stay and what may go? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 03:27, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
I like to propose a new current event tag:
the reason being that the normal one just tells you something you already known and doesn't guide you to what's current. It is supposed to be updated with round of 16, quater finals, semi finals, third place play-off and final.
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Update the rankings and keep in line with previous World Cups. Correctron ( talk) 22:51, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
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Anyone can make the kits of all teams? Or at least, open the space to others start helping?
Thks! 188.80.193.166 ( talk) 22:55, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
A section with all the kits (like the ones with squads, or venues, or the fan fests) will improve the article IMHO 188.80.204.197 ( talk) 22:23, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
" Brazilian riot police use tear gas to disperse protesters in São Paulo amid rising tensions between protestors and the government over the cost of the World Cup]]." ... example:
99.181.131.34 ( talk) 22:19, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
I don´t have access to google and other pages of www so if someone will add information and photos of the great opening ceremony i think it will b great for all users of Wikpedia and we will b greatfull... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.225.242.246 ( talk) 04:35, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I noticed the times for matches played in Manaus and Cuiaba aren't right. These cities are an hour behind, so the start times should be listed an hour sooner, mirroring the official schedule of FIFA.
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donadio.j ( talk • contribs) 11:21, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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External links Find more about 2014 FIFA World Cup at Wikipedia's sister projects Media from Commons News stories from Wikinews Travel guide from Wikivoyage Database entry Q79859 on Wikidata Portal icon Association football portal Official website Official Brazil government website (Portuguese) (English) (Spanish) Also check out www.wcfooty.blogspot.com 114.143.148.32 ( talk) 13:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Are the doves of peace, scheduled to be released before each of the matches, classed as an "innovation" or a "utility"? It seems that two of the three birds relased before the opening match did not survive: [1], but probably hardly surprising. Martinevans123 ( talk) 11:39, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Could we also have a sound file, or a link to one, in the Note for the name of the event in the info box? Plenty of sources seem to exist: e.g. [2]. Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:17, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Why is the country shown as "Ivory Coast"? I saw the match on the tv, and the teams were "Côte d'Ivoire" and "Japan". Does it mean that FIFA does not decide what is shown on tv? 82.141.66.140 ( talk) 03:41, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Match 30, United States vs. Portugal, starts at 18:00 local time in Manaus (UTC-4), which is 19:00 in UTC−3. According to note 4, all times should be specified in Brasília official time (UTC-3). 85.244.127.238 ( talk) 12:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
'Leading goalscorers' credits this player with having scored two goals in his initial appearance. But I think you will find that one of these was actually an own goal by the opposition goalie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SkyHighSelfregard ( talk • contribs) 12:06, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
I suggest someone to standardize the stadiums links. For example, Arena de São Paulo, instead of Arena de São Paulo in this article and the other way in the group and knockout stages detailed articles, and the stadiums with corporate naming ( Arena Fonte Nova and Arena Pernambuco, instead of only Arena Fonte Nova and Arena Pernambuco. Also the kick-off time for United States vs Portugal in Manaus is wrong, given the consensus of putting all the kick-offs at the Brasília Time, it will be 19:00 Brasília Time. Thank you.-- 144.64.78.89 ( talk) 10:54, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
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Muller of Germany is now the top scorer with 3 goals.
You should probably change those top scorers.
Have a nice day!
99.115.12.175 ( talk) 17:45, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Under innovations -> technologies, it says "The previous World Cup was a catalyst for the decision to adopt technology after England were wrongly denied a goal in their round of 16 tie against Germany.[25]". This is incorrect; the match between England and Germany did not result in a tie, but in a 4-1 win for Germany (this is significant because even if the goal were counted, Germany would have won; while England was indeed wrongly denied the goal, it did not affect the overall outcome of the match). [1] [2] Kw1130 ( talk) 20:54, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
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What is the reason for not including discussion on the possible cases on 2nd and 3rd group games? I am sure there are plenty of sources that (will) discuss the possible scenarios, so why not include them temporarily? Nergaal ( talk) 21:19, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
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Extant vandalism of 'Portugal' should be reverted to 'Winner of group G' in Knockout stage section as the team in this position has not yet been determined 82.29.235.78 ( talk) 19:48, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Dear all. I wanted to get some ideas of how other contributors feels about something, and how to handle it. I'm cross-posting to Talk:Adidas Brazuca as well as it involves that page. Certainly on the main Adidas Brazuca there are contributor(s) who feel that the ball is made in Pakistan is worthy of putting in the introductory paragraph. This is despite (1) the fact it is misleading as it is also made in China, and (2) it is mentioned in the production section of the page. I also feel that it is not notable enough to go in the main introduction section. This also applies to the paragraph in 2014 FIFA World Cup where this statement gets repeatedly inserted, where I think it is something that can be seen in the main Adidas Brazuca page. The comment on adding it to the Brazuca page is "Why this gets removed? Hate mongering against Pakistan?". Eventually I will run up to the three revert rule and was seeking concensus with the group how to handle it: (a) delete it, (b) keep it and also add in it is made in China? - With Thanks Master Of Ninja ( talk) 16:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
I suggest that we remove the base camp table, it seems excessively detailed for the parent article. Soerfm ( talk) 17:15, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm a little unclear on the prize money table ( 2014 FIFA World Cup#Prize money). The numbers don't add to 576 million, even if I include the 1.5 million in prep costs per team. What am I doing wrong? Abductive ( reasoning) 00:57, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
So tell me, how much info on the group matches have we actually decided to include in this article? I was under the impression that we had decided only to include the date, time, result and venue, but the way the page is currently set up seems to indicate that people are intending to add goalscorer, attendance and referee info. If we treat this article as similar to 2013–14 UEFA Champions League, I would be vehemently opposed to adding that extra info until we reach the knockout stage. – Pee Jay 12:53, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I agree, you should keep the info until the group stage ends. I take all the information from this article, especially the games times, now I have to visit every Group's article, and it's a mess, since there are times in UTC-3 and UTC-4. The user who decided to change the layout of Groups A to D (and maybe the rest later) shouldn't have done that. People show a lot of information, so what? it's an event in progress and millions visit the wikipedia article about 2014 WC, it will end in less than a month, and after that, you can reduce the information to meet wikipedia's standards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexsd27 ( talk • contribs) 00:30, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
I see two innovations, the goal line technology, and the vanishing spray. They definitely belong under a heading of "Innovations". The only other content is about the name of the ball, which seems far more a commercial promotion than an innovation. I see no utilities. To be honest, I have no idea what is meant by that word. Can anyone explain? HiLo48 ( talk) 08:07, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
RE: The goal line technology supplier, I was listening to Radio Derby this afternoon and they were interviewing a Derbyshire based firm who said they'd suupplied it, so who has? Derbyshire or Germany? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.203.254.3 ( talk) 19:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Are the so-called "cooling breaks" not an innovation: [4]? Martinevans123 ( talk) 22:40, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
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122.170.34.92 ( talk) 09:09, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.
DJAMP4444
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In the "Team base camps" section, it reads "Only five teams have opted to stay in the northern region of Brazil", where it should actually read "Only five teams have opted to stay in the northeastern region of Brazil, and none in the northern or western regions".-- Pedro Aguiar ( talk) 19:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Alexis Sanchez of Chile has scored only one, not two goals.
Already corrected!
What's the MOS about having those mini-tables that state if "X team beat Y team, they'll progress" or if "X team beat Y team and score more goals than Z team, they'll progress", for each group? Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:21, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
With the Colombia 2-1 Cote d'Ivoire result just in, an edit has been made which added that result *and* color-coded Colombia as having secured advancement to the knockout round. The latter is not true -- Colombia is not yet safe. If Japan win their last two matches (against Greece and Colombia), *and* if Cote d'Ivoire win their last match, there can be a three way tie at 6 points and GD will decide the two to advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.250.22.6 ( talk) 18:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Followup -- fixed quickly, thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.250.22.6 ( talk) 18:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
James rodriguez has scored 2 goals — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.14.189.28 ( talk) 18:37, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
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Score Uruguay - England 1-0 Fred301278 ( talk) 19:51, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Not done No
WP:LIVESCORES The game is still on.
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Someone has indicated that Colombia is already through to the round of 16. If Japan wins against both Greece and Colombia, and Ivory Coast also wins against Greece, then Colombia could still be eliminated on goal difference. Teams should not be indicated as eliminated or progressed until it is certain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.58.103.197 ( talk) 21:15, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Colombia is currently not classified. Consider Japan winning 2-0, and in the next matches, Japan and Cote Ivory winning 3-0 each one. They both would be able to classify. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.97.110.60 ( talk) 21:22, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
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If Italy defeats both Uruguay and Costa Rica, then England will be able to pass on. 85.74.125.119 ( talk) 04:27, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
England is not eliminated. England will only be eliminated if Italy does not defeat Costa Rica tomorrow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.58.103.197 ( talk) 04:19, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
I was just coming to post this same edit request -- while their likelihood of advancing is quite low, England is not yet eliminated mathematically. This makes four times today I've seen colors set for advancement or elimination prematurely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.149.24 ( talk) 04:24, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Sorry. They would by UEFA rules, but FIFA works with overall goal differences. forget it.
If the current trend continues, the goal average will be the highest since 1958. It's probably too early to put in the article but it's worth keeping an eye on. Sophie means wisdom ( talk) 07:19, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Costa Rica hasn't won the group just yet, so they shouldn't be included in the "Knockout phase"-section at this moment in time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.220.62.78 ( talk) 07:58, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
I wanted to point out, since the lead of the section says "The following players are currently serving suspensions", does that mean we remove them from the list when it's over? Palacios just served his against Ecuador for example, so should he be removed from the list now? Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 00:23, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Important note for those of us who will use preliminary results in group stage to place teams in any specific order, or to mark teams as qualified for playoffs (or lost their chance to qualify):
When teams in a group have equal number of points, then goals for and goals against are considered before their head-to-head game results (see the official rules).
6 points themselves don't guarantee the team qualify for the playoffs (it's possible for three teams within a group to finish group stage with 6 pts).
128.72.179.187 ( talk) 16:03, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Similar to this, in Group D Costa Rica also reserved the 1st place after defeating bont 3-point teams Italy and Uruguay. Any of these would receive another 3 in last match, would finish only on second place independently from what Costa Rica plays. So, top positions in these 2 groups are already given away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.61.110.82 ( talk) 11:44, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
List of 2014 FIFA World Cup matches → 2014 FIFA World Cup
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Les Bleus (France) won twice, that means that they can qualify for the Round of 16. 24.15.125.242 ( talk) 18:40, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Not done They can still be eliminated if both Ecuador and Switzerland win their next matches and with a high enough goal differential, although it would be highly unlikely.
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I don't want to create an edit war so I will ask for others opinions: The opening has been edited to say "but they were eliminated at the group stage by Chile". The phrase by Chile has been added multiple times. In my thinking a team can not be eliminated by one other team in the group stage, it is a combination of multiple losses. It doesn't matter that when they lost to Chile is the moment they were mathematically eliminated, they lost to two teams. Am I mistaken in this? Chris1834 ( talk) 21:05, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
Why are they in here? I can think of so many more important things to feature in this article. I will go ahead and remove them. Nergaal ( talk) 22:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure when the change was, but FIFA is no longer referring to to "Arena de São Paulo" but rather to "Arena Corinthians". [5] [6] The PDF report, which isn't the linked reference, uses the other name: [7] as does the main arena page: [8]. I would argue that whatever the referenced report states is what should be used rather than a knee-jerk edit war to keep Arena de São Paulo in place. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 01:30, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
In the group F and G pages both shirts have Adidas and Puma logos respectively and I can't remove only the logos. Is there anyone who can do that?. Thanks.-- The Replicator ( talk) 16:06, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Goalscores are shown for the wrong team. Please fix it. 91.60.228.104 ( talk) 20:58, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Karim Benzema is not only top scorer with 4 goals, he scored 3 goals(2 goals on the first match and one goal today). So fix it and add Van Persie, Muller and Robben. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.2.252.139 ( talk) 21:20, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't France be green? 204.77.216.10 ( talk) 23:09, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Yohan Cabaye was booked in the 88th minute and will be suspended for the game against Ecuador, so please include him in the disciplinary section. THX — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.220.62.78 ( talk) 00:00, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
England are not out yet win & uruuag or chile loss and they can go though — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.38.140 ( talk) 20:24, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
That has been on and off in the Group B table. If the top 2 teams have been decided, that should be removed, right? – H T D 13:42, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Were the electronic boards used to signal substitutions and to show added time used at the last World Cup? They seem to have a sponsors name on. Martinevans123 ( talk) 18:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
I suggest hilighting Spain and Austrailia (in group B) in red,as they are already eliminated Oskar Kopaczewski ( talk) 19:51, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
This phrasing is meaningless and confusing. There has to be a better way of explaining a team still has games to play but can't advance - I'd suggest simply "Team cannot advance" or "Team cannot mathematically advance"? I don't understand the added benefit of the word 'preliminarily' here, and so I removed it, but someone's immediately reverted the change. ✤ Fosse 8 ✤ 15:51, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
During the second group stage game against Cameroon Croatia-captain Darijo Srna set a FIFA World Cup record of the fastest sprint recorded in the history of the tournament, with a 32.98km/h psrint, beating a record previously set by Arjen Robben at the 2014 World Cup earlier.samw tournament edition [1] [2]
Who can add it to the article? I can't edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.209.89.66 ( talk) 07:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
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See Talk:Estádio do Maracanã#Requested move to Maracanã Stadium June 2014 for a requested move for Estádio do Maracanã to Maracanã Stadium. Hey mid ( contribs) 17:03, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Since there is a reference to the elimination of Spain at the group stage in the first section, someone could also put a small mention to the fact that this happened for the fourth time in the history of the World Cup (after Brazil in 1966, France in 2002 and Italy in 2010) or somethin like that.-- Nakinn ( talk) 07:59, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Mario Balotelli is listed as having to serve a suspension for a Euro Cup qualifying match, but the 2014 FIFA World Cup disciplinary record page says that players who receive their second yellow in their final match of the World Cup will not be suspended beyond the tournament. This means he should be removed from the list, or am I missing something? -- Geelcat ( talk) 07:30, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
I think now you can add Final Standings where 30th is Australia, 31st is Honduras and 32nd is Cameroon because all the teams left yet to play already have at least one point so we know that standings will be like this for the last 3 places on the WC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.207.46.11 ( talk) 22:47, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I wanted to bring to your notice that the country Paraguay is not highlighted in the map of qualified teams for the world cup. Paraguay national football team did qualify in the past for many world cups 203.99.208.1 ( talk) 14:06, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Regards, Ronald Wilson India.
Does it make any sense that once all matches in a given group are played, the red color (#fcc) is removed from the eliminated teams? IMO, the red color should stay to help convey the message that all play in that group is over and the results are final. Any thoughts? Johnnyjanko ( talk) 06:31, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you guys. This makes perfect sense. Johnnyjanko ( talk) 18:23, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
From now on there are no more teams that have games to play but are eliminated. So I see no point in having red used since if there are 2 green then my default the others are eliminated, and whoever is left in white is not mathematically eliminated. Nergaal ( talk) 19:39, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Under Statistics - Goalscorers, Luis Suarez is in bold, as Uruguay are still in the competition. However, with the header saying "Players rendered in bold are still active in the competition," should he be removed, as he is no longer active? If not, then it should rather say "Players rendered in bold represent nations still active in the competition" or similar. 121.221.167.151 ( talk) 19:01, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
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In 2014 Fifa World Cup Disciplinary Section, The red card Pepe got against Germany is not mentioned. He got suspended for the next match against USA. Please add that. Thank you 124.124.14.25 ( talk) 04:29, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
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Please correct the following sentence below, as it has a couple of errors. First error, please correct 20014 to 2014. Second error, the 24.7 million viewers for the USA / Portugal soccer match does not exceed the 115 million viewers for Super Bowl XLVIII, so should be reworded.
Worldwide, several games have qualified as the most-watched sporting events in their country in 20014, including 42.9 million people in Brazil for the opening game between Brazil and Croatia, the 34.1 million in Japan who saw their team play Ivory Coast, 26.4 million in Germany who saw the home team beat Portugal, and 24.7 million viewers in the U.S. during the game between USA and Portugal.
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Tim Cahill from Australia was suspended from the third game (vs Spain) for second yellow in the tournament (received vs Netherlands). Please update table. Bevstarrunner ( talk) — Preceding undated comment added 02:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)