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It hasn't yet been confirmed that Helio won't be driving for Penske if he is acquitted of tax evasion charges before the season begins. I believe that he should be listed as the #3's driver with a note that he may be removed depending on his trial status. At least until we've heard something from Penske on the matter. Opinions? Bolt Crank ( talk) 22:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
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Here's an alternate, reference-style listing of the schedule, based on the same chart from the 2008 Talk page. it can be used for quick reference. It doesn't have a place on the main page, but it may have some use here on the talk page. Doctorindy ( talk) 12:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Date | Race |
---|---|
April 5 | St. Pete |
April 11-12 | (Easter weekend) |
April 19 | Long Beach |
April 26 | Kansas |
May 3 | Indy 500 Rookie Orientation |
May 9-10 | Indy 500 Time Trials |
May 16-17 | Indy 500 Time Trials |
May 24 | Indianapolis 500 |
May 31 | Milwaukee |
June 6 | Texas |
June 14-15 | |
June 21 | Iowa |
June 27 | Richmond |
July 5 | Watkins Glen |
July 12 | Toronto |
July 19 | |
July 26 | Edmonton |
August 1 | Kentucky |
August 9 | Mid-Ohio |
August 16-17 | |
August 23 | Sonoma |
August 29 | Chicagoland |
September 6 | |
September 12-13 | |
September 19 | Motegi |
September 26-27 | |
October 3-4 | |
October 10-11 | Homestead |
October 17-18 | |
October 24-25 |
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I was just wondering what sources would be needed to add information to the drivers/teams list. Looking on the IndyCar.com drivers list, there are several drivers and teams there that either aren't listed in the list or are listed with different drivers.
Are we just waiting for a proper source for those drivers, or can the page itself be enough of a source? TheChrisD Rants• Edits 03:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
The IndyCar.com list is somewhat outdated and not a reliable source during the off-season. For example, the #96 team no longer exists. We are only listing team and driver combinations that have been formally announced by their teams for the 2009 season. - Drdisque ( talk) 03:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Per several Indycar sources with the most notable being Newman Haas Lanigan Racing via their official website, the current IndyCar chassis is the IR5. The IR5 is fundamentally the same chassis as the IR3 but with minor aerodynamic updates which were solidified for the 2005 IndyCar season. The IR5 has been fabricated by Panoz and Dallara.
http://www.newman-haas.com/cars.html
http://www.samhornish.com/team/index.cfm?cid=2645&subnavkey=carspecs&wide=true
(User: thebatsignal) 22:43, 19 February, 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebatsignal ( talk • contribs)
Doctorindy ( talk) 14:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
That forum link is speculative in nature. The official website from IndyCar's Newman Haas Lanigan Racing and also IndyCar veteran Sam Hornish Jr. clearly identify the current IndyCar Dallara chassis as the IR5.
-- Thebatsignal ( talk) 05:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Roger Yasukawa (Dreyer & Reinbold) has officially announced he is confirmed at Motegi only. Yasukawa also verbalized interest in racing at Indianapolis, but Yasukawa should be moved regardless to the part-time entries section based upon confirmed information.
(User: thebatsignal) 17:44, 19 March, 2009 (UTC)
I suggest reducing the race summary box to the TOP THREE. Posting the top 5, or top 10 as tossed around in the past seems excessive if there are going to be individual race "Report" pages. The top three represents...dare I say...the podium finishers. Anyone who wants to see the rest of the finishers can check the race report. In addition, it allows for a slightly shorter page by the end of the year, and less work for editors.
Top Three Finishers | ||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Fin. Pos |
St. Pos |
Car No. |
Driver | Team | Laps | Time | Laps Led | |
1 | 0 | 0:00:00.0000 | 0 | |||||
2 | 0 | +0.000 | 0 | |||||
3 | 0 | +0.000 | 0 | |||||
Race average speed: 0.000 mph (0 km/h) | ||||||||
Lead changes: 0 between 0 drivers | ||||||||
Cautions: 0 for 0 laps |
Doctorindy ( talk) 15:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Are we really going to have the USELESS information in the top schedule box like "Fastest Lap" and "Most Laps Led" and "Pole Winner"....in late 2008, someone (probably from Europe) decided to add all that junk to the 'winners' summary table. All of the other info is already listed in the individual race summaries on down the page. I think the table should look like the one from 2007 here. People want a quick reference at the top to see who won. If they want to know more detailed info, they'll scroll down to look at the rest. I say show race winners only. Doctorindy ( talk) 13:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Date | Race Name | Track | Location | Pole Position | Fastest Lap | Most Laps Led | Winner |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
March 29 |
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Homestead-Miami Speedway | Homestead |
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April 6 |
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Streets of St. Petersburg | St. Petersburg |
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Date | Race Name | Location | Winner | |
---|---|---|---|---|
March 24 (night) | XM Satellite Radio Indy 300 | Homestead-Miami Speedway |
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The three letter name abbreviations are an unnecessary addition to the page. Unlike F1, I've never seen such a system used in conjunction with IndyCar races. It also makes it harder for someone who just wants to look at the standings page to do so without having to go up to the driver chart just to find out what each abbreviation stands for. Thecrookedcap ( talk) 17:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Is this really necessary? We're 4 races into the 2009 season and already some cars have changed paint schemes three times. Yet I notice the colors for some cars has changed as they change by race. Are the colors (and for that matter, list of sponsors) going to only list the most recent race, or the most popular color over the season, or what?
They serve no purpose and have no explanation in the article. The list of sponsors also suffers from recentism and should have all primary sponsors, or none. For instance, Danica's Indy 500 car has Boost Mobile, but now this season page makes no mention that her primary sponsor is actually Motorola. IIIVIX ( Talk) 03:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I removed the entries from the team and driver chart that went unused at the 500 (the Foyt #48, Fisher #68, the Roth entries). They're unlikely to get filled during the rest of the season, so they are superfluous. Thecrookedcap ( talk) 02:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
For as long as I've been following sports, I have never seen initial names with a space between them (e.g. A. J. or T. J.). However, the Wikipedia articles for A.J. Foyt IV and E.J. Viso are as such (i'm sure that there are plenty others for each case). I understand why there is a space, but I don't see any other media or literature that actually has it spelled that way (even IndyCar.com, ESPN.go.com, or CBSSportsline.com doesn't spell those names with a space between them). I don't know if this has been discussed or not (I apologize if it has been already), but I believe that there should be no space between the initials. Let me know what you all think. Manningmbd 00:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) suggests that the space should exist, even though it doesn't officially say so. Often the media contradict what we here believe is the most encyclopedic way to write something (for example, the media often also excludes the comma in Dale Earnhardt Jr.). Perhaps you could ask on the talk page of that project-space page if the space is an official protocol and if it is to place it somewhere on that page and if it isn't to at least note that. - Drdisque ( talk) 02:11, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I was wondering if you guys would be onboard for making some minor changes to the format of the page. It would basically involve making the schedule table JUST the race schedule (i.e. removing race winners), making a separate race winners table, and removing the Race Summaries section (as the race winners table has links to reports for each race). It's pretty similar to the way F1 season articles work, and I think it's a much more efficient layout. Also I've already made the results table, so if no one is opposed I can implement it pretty quickly. Eightball ( talk) 20:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Still though, it's a motorsport article. Motorsport fans will read it. Why should we tailor it to non motorsport fans? Eightball ( talk) 06:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
The "half-blending" technique that was used to fit together the 3, 12, 23 and 43 cars based on driver availibility is cute but disorienting to the reader, especially on low resolutions. I've chosen to do away with it, and while I was at it included comment tags so you can pick out where each team starts and ends when editing. If you want to put the old blended arrangements back, here they are: 172.130.202.151 ( talk) 05:39, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
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Dallara | Honda | 3 |
![]() |
Mobil 1/ Verizon Wireless |
Will Power replaced Hélio Castroneves in the #3 car for the St. Petersburg race due to Castroneves' then ongoing tax evasion trial. With Castroneves being acquitted on all tax evasion charges, he returned to the #3 car starting at Long Beach, with Power running the #12 car, for Long Beach, the Indy 500 and 5 additional races at Toronto, Edmonton, Kentucky, Sonoma and Homestead in the No. 12 Penske Truck Rental Dallara/Honda. #3 and #6 cars appear with unbranded Marlboro colors and logos in accordance with the MSA. |
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12 |
Penske Truck Rental/ Mobil 1/ Verizon Wireless | |||||
6 |
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Mobil 1/ Verizon Wireless |
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Dallara | Honda | 24 |
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Henkel/ Dad's Root Beer/ Roll Coater | Henkel's Purex brand on car for Indy 500. |
23 |
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Charter Communications | Confirmed for St. Petersburg and Long Beach only but more races possible | |||
![]() |
CITGO | Nine races, encompassing all super-speedway and road course races in the US. | ||||
![]() |
TBA | Motegi Only | ||||
![]() |
Charter Communications/ Mona Vie | Milwaukee, Iowa and Richmond only | ||||
43 | Mona Vie | Nine of the 12 rounds from Texas onwards. Will not start at Edmonton, Toronto and Watkins Glen. Car empty for Iowa and Richmond as Scheckter switches to the #23. |
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It hasn't yet been confirmed that Helio won't be driving for Penske if he is acquitted of tax evasion charges before the season begins. I believe that he should be listed as the #3's driver with a note that he may be removed depending on his trial status. At least until we've heard something from Penske on the matter. Opinions? Bolt Crank ( talk) 22:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
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Here's an alternate, reference-style listing of the schedule, based on the same chart from the 2008 Talk page. it can be used for quick reference. It doesn't have a place on the main page, but it may have some use here on the talk page. Doctorindy ( talk) 12:33, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Date | Race |
---|---|
April 5 | St. Pete |
April 11-12 | (Easter weekend) |
April 19 | Long Beach |
April 26 | Kansas |
May 3 | Indy 500 Rookie Orientation |
May 9-10 | Indy 500 Time Trials |
May 16-17 | Indy 500 Time Trials |
May 24 | Indianapolis 500 |
May 31 | Milwaukee |
June 6 | Texas |
June 14-15 | |
June 21 | Iowa |
June 27 | Richmond |
July 5 | Watkins Glen |
July 12 | Toronto |
July 19 | |
July 26 | Edmonton |
August 1 | Kentucky |
August 9 | Mid-Ohio |
August 16-17 | |
August 23 | Sonoma |
August 29 | Chicagoland |
September 6 | |
September 12-13 | |
September 19 | Motegi |
September 26-27 | |
October 3-4 | |
October 10-11 | Homestead |
October 17-18 | |
October 24-25 |
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I was just wondering what sources would be needed to add information to the drivers/teams list. Looking on the IndyCar.com drivers list, there are several drivers and teams there that either aren't listed in the list or are listed with different drivers.
Are we just waiting for a proper source for those drivers, or can the page itself be enough of a source? TheChrisD Rants• Edits 03:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
The IndyCar.com list is somewhat outdated and not a reliable source during the off-season. For example, the #96 team no longer exists. We are only listing team and driver combinations that have been formally announced by their teams for the 2009 season. - Drdisque ( talk) 03:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Per several Indycar sources with the most notable being Newman Haas Lanigan Racing via their official website, the current IndyCar chassis is the IR5. The IR5 is fundamentally the same chassis as the IR3 but with minor aerodynamic updates which were solidified for the 2005 IndyCar season. The IR5 has been fabricated by Panoz and Dallara.
http://www.newman-haas.com/cars.html
http://www.samhornish.com/team/index.cfm?cid=2645&subnavkey=carspecs&wide=true
(User: thebatsignal) 22:43, 19 February, 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thebatsignal ( talk • contribs)
Doctorindy ( talk) 14:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
That forum link is speculative in nature. The official website from IndyCar's Newman Haas Lanigan Racing and also IndyCar veteran Sam Hornish Jr. clearly identify the current IndyCar Dallara chassis as the IR5.
-- Thebatsignal ( talk) 05:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Roger Yasukawa (Dreyer & Reinbold) has officially announced he is confirmed at Motegi only. Yasukawa also verbalized interest in racing at Indianapolis, but Yasukawa should be moved regardless to the part-time entries section based upon confirmed information.
(User: thebatsignal) 17:44, 19 March, 2009 (UTC)
I suggest reducing the race summary box to the TOP THREE. Posting the top 5, or top 10 as tossed around in the past seems excessive if there are going to be individual race "Report" pages. The top three represents...dare I say...the podium finishers. Anyone who wants to see the rest of the finishers can check the race report. In addition, it allows for a slightly shorter page by the end of the year, and less work for editors.
Top Three Finishers | ||||||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Fin. Pos |
St. Pos |
Car No. |
Driver | Team | Laps | Time | Laps Led | |
1 | 0 | 0:00:00.0000 | 0 | |||||
2 | 0 | +0.000 | 0 | |||||
3 | 0 | +0.000 | 0 | |||||
Race average speed: 0.000 mph (0 km/h) | ||||||||
Lead changes: 0 between 0 drivers | ||||||||
Cautions: 0 for 0 laps |
Doctorindy ( talk) 15:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Are we really going to have the USELESS information in the top schedule box like "Fastest Lap" and "Most Laps Led" and "Pole Winner"....in late 2008, someone (probably from Europe) decided to add all that junk to the 'winners' summary table. All of the other info is already listed in the individual race summaries on down the page. I think the table should look like the one from 2007 here. People want a quick reference at the top to see who won. If they want to know more detailed info, they'll scroll down to look at the rest. I say show race winners only. Doctorindy ( talk) 13:04, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Date | Race Name | Track | Location | Pole Position | Fastest Lap | Most Laps Led | Winner |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
March 29 |
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Homestead-Miami Speedway | Homestead |
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April 6 |
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Streets of St. Petersburg | St. Petersburg |
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Date | Race Name | Location | Winner | |
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March 24 (night) | XM Satellite Radio Indy 300 | Homestead-Miami Speedway |
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The three letter name abbreviations are an unnecessary addition to the page. Unlike F1, I've never seen such a system used in conjunction with IndyCar races. It also makes it harder for someone who just wants to look at the standings page to do so without having to go up to the driver chart just to find out what each abbreviation stands for. Thecrookedcap ( talk) 17:56, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Is this really necessary? We're 4 races into the 2009 season and already some cars have changed paint schemes three times. Yet I notice the colors for some cars has changed as they change by race. Are the colors (and for that matter, list of sponsors) going to only list the most recent race, or the most popular color over the season, or what?
They serve no purpose and have no explanation in the article. The list of sponsors also suffers from recentism and should have all primary sponsors, or none. For instance, Danica's Indy 500 car has Boost Mobile, but now this season page makes no mention that her primary sponsor is actually Motorola. IIIVIX ( Talk) 03:47, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I removed the entries from the team and driver chart that went unused at the 500 (the Foyt #48, Fisher #68, the Roth entries). They're unlikely to get filled during the rest of the season, so they are superfluous. Thecrookedcap ( talk) 02:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
For as long as I've been following sports, I have never seen initial names with a space between them (e.g. A. J. or T. J.). However, the Wikipedia articles for A.J. Foyt IV and E.J. Viso are as such (i'm sure that there are plenty others for each case). I understand why there is a space, but I don't see any other media or literature that actually has it spelled that way (even IndyCar.com, ESPN.go.com, or CBSSportsline.com doesn't spell those names with a space between them). I don't know if this has been discussed or not (I apologize if it has been already), but I believe that there should be no space between the initials. Let me know what you all think. Manningmbd 00:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) suggests that the space should exist, even though it doesn't officially say so. Often the media contradict what we here believe is the most encyclopedic way to write something (for example, the media often also excludes the comma in Dale Earnhardt Jr.). Perhaps you could ask on the talk page of that project-space page if the space is an official protocol and if it is to place it somewhere on that page and if it isn't to at least note that. - Drdisque ( talk) 02:11, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I was wondering if you guys would be onboard for making some minor changes to the format of the page. It would basically involve making the schedule table JUST the race schedule (i.e. removing race winners), making a separate race winners table, and removing the Race Summaries section (as the race winners table has links to reports for each race). It's pretty similar to the way F1 season articles work, and I think it's a much more efficient layout. Also I've already made the results table, so if no one is opposed I can implement it pretty quickly. Eightball ( talk) 20:55, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Still though, it's a motorsport article. Motorsport fans will read it. Why should we tailor it to non motorsport fans? Eightball ( talk) 06:26, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
The "half-blending" technique that was used to fit together the 3, 12, 23 and 43 cars based on driver availibility is cute but disorienting to the reader, especially on low resolutions. I've chosen to do away with it, and while I was at it included comment tags so you can pick out where each team starts and ends when editing. If you want to put the old blended arrangements back, here they are: 172.130.202.151 ( talk) 05:39, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
![]() |
Dallara | Honda | 3 |
![]() |
Mobil 1/ Verizon Wireless |
Will Power replaced Hélio Castroneves in the #3 car for the St. Petersburg race due to Castroneves' then ongoing tax evasion trial. With Castroneves being acquitted on all tax evasion charges, he returned to the #3 car starting at Long Beach, with Power running the #12 car, for Long Beach, the Indy 500 and 5 additional races at Toronto, Edmonton, Kentucky, Sonoma and Homestead in the No. 12 Penske Truck Rental Dallara/Honda. #3 and #6 cars appear with unbranded Marlboro colors and logos in accordance with the MSA. |
![]() | ||||||
12 |
Penske Truck Rental/ Mobil 1/ Verizon Wireless | |||||
6 |
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Mobil 1/ Verizon Wireless |
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Dallara | Honda | 24 |
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Henkel/ Dad's Root Beer/ Roll Coater | Henkel's Purex brand on car for Indy 500. |
23 |
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Charter Communications | Confirmed for St. Petersburg and Long Beach only but more races possible | |||
![]() |
CITGO | Nine races, encompassing all super-speedway and road course races in the US. | ||||
![]() |
TBA | Motegi Only | ||||
![]() |
Charter Communications/ Mona Vie | Milwaukee, Iowa and Richmond only | ||||
43 | Mona Vie | Nine of the 12 rounds from Texas onwards. Will not start at Edmonton, Toronto and Watkins Glen. Car empty for Iowa and Richmond as Scheckter switches to the #23. |
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