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Do we have anything about this? Szopen ( talk) 09:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Help is much appreciated with this freshly created article, see Raids on communist prisons in Poland (1944-1946). Thanks in advance. Tymek ( talk) 05:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I wish to thank all editors who supported me during the blockade. While I don't see myself engaging as much as I did before, at least untill certain issues on Wikipedia aren't dealt with-be certain that I will continue to provide needed information and historic data as well as consult possible improvements to all articles.
Thank you once again.
-- Molobo ( talk) 21:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
I was surprised to see that Wikipedia did not have article on this person, anyway, better late than never. Please help out, as this is a very interesting and talked about topic. See Stanislaw Pyjas. Tymek ( talk) 18:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
User:Ajh1492 seems to have made a unilateral decision (citing official sources) to rename Podlachian to Podlaskie Voivodeship, and is amending numerous articles accordingly. Are people happy with this?-- Kotniski ( talk) 11:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
In the case of this Polish province (" voivodeship"), I would use the actual Polish name, " Podlaskie." (I would also call such an administrative unit a "province" — the 18th-century Polish-Lithuanian "provinces" ("prowincyje") would be better rendered in English as " Regions.") Nihil novi ( talk) 17:21, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
From my post on the
Podlachian Voivodeship talk page where there was an extensive, multi-year discussion on the name through 1 AUG 2007 with no consensus.
(quote)
Checking the following official Polish government english websites:
We should respect the Polish Government and use their translation to English - Podlaskie.
Plus, as mentioned above, the EU uses Podlaskie - European Commission - Rural Development
(/quote)
We should be using the official english translation as defined by the Polish government. I just don't see where extra discussion is needed.
Ajh1492 ( talk) 18:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
The name was determined after a long discussion at now inactive Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography of Poland (see its talk). Unfortunately, I believe that all editors involved in this discussion - Balcer, Lysy, Appleseed - are now retired :( -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Podlachian Voivodeship was set to redirect to Podlaskie Voivodeship.
On use of "Wschodnia Saksonia Południowa", It's the same reason why it's hot dogi and not gorący pies in Polish . . .
Here's a solution. Wikipedia should use the English translation for proper place names in a country as defined by the Foreign Ministry / Department of State of that country. Simple solution.
en.wp does not use translations merely because they are official. Huh? I think that train of thought would just lead en.wp to irrelevance.
Ajh1492 ( talk) 22:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I will finish merging the pages. The Podlaskie page was originally a copy of the Podlachian page, but I have updated it with additional material and references.
Ajh1492 ( talk) 02:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Categories: Universities in Lithuania | History of Lithuania | Education in Vilnius | Educational institutions established in the 1570s | Education in the Soviet Union | Recipients of the Order of the Red Banner of Labour | 1579 establishments
No cathegory informs about Polish past 1920-1939. An example of Soviet language in the article: the Polish inhabitants of Lithuania were given a choice to leave for Poland. Xx236 ( talk) 14:01, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I did it in March and got comment looks like someone is using a grossly outdated map. Xx236 ( talk) 13:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Lokyz keeps to write his version of history. Germans were expelled from Lithuania, the Poles had a choice. Poor Germans and happy Poles. Xx236 ( talk) 13:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
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Since I am particularly interested in the last days of the Second Polish Republic, I have started this article 1939 in Poland, help will be appreciated, as there is a lot of stuff to be added. Tymek ( talk) 18:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Could someone please take a look at the 'Early History' section of Szczebrzeszyn? I'm trying to copy-edit this article but due to less-than-desirable understanding of Polish history, I am unsure how to write a good transition between trade rights (paragraph 2) and familial ownership/rule (paragraph 3). I'm unsure if a good transition would even be possible, but the sudden discussion of familial ownership/rule is jarring as it has no explanation what-so-ever. Thanks for your assistance! -- gardsmyg ( talk) 07:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Note: The following statement has been included in Talk:Kraków, under Notable residents? Make sure to check it out.
There’s a continuous, unremitting problem with the so called notable residents of most Polish cities. The choices are always arbitrary and suspiciously selective. The names are added by chance and equally quickly removed and than reinserted. The "section" idea poses unnecessary challenges for metropolitan cities such as Kraków, where notable residents would count in thousands. The problem with smaller cities is even worse, where red links and attempts at self-promotion abound. Various special interest groups often use this channel to prove a point about their own ethnic presence ahead of everybody else. The question is, should we continue with this practise, or perhaps aim at creating sub-articles for those cities, and call them "Notable residents of such and such city" instead? The section is widely discouraged by the League of Copyeditors and absent in practically all quality articles on world cities anyway. -- Poeticbent talk 18:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
My preference is to continue along the lines of Category:Lists of people by city, i.e. List of people from Poznań, a subcategory of Category:Lists of people by Polish cities / Category:Lists of people by place in Poland / etc. Note that List of people from Gdańsk already exists. Olessi ( talk) 19:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
History of the Jews in Poland - this once good article has recently became subject of edit wars, in which some users try to hide unwanted facts and promote their particular agendas. And please do not delete this topic. Tymek ( talk) 01:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I need this title translated [5] -- Molobo ( talk) 23:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
This discussion apparently took place without seeking input from this project, and was decided for deleting the "Polish Americans" category, though the comments were 6 to 4 against such a deletion. Badagnani ( talk) 19:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
According to an alleged expert in Polish matters she was a Polish novelist and politician. She played an important role in the formation of communist government in Poland. After World War II she lived in Moscow. Almost every word here is false or unprecise. Xx236 ( talk) 13:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
If you are interested in Wanda Wasilewska, join the editing. Xx236 ( talk) 14:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
[6] Comments ? -- Molobo ( talk) 20:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
This guy doesn't believe that there's a problem with the phrase Polish death camp and started an edit war. [7] Please intervene? -- Poeticbent talk 22:25, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia and I decided to dive right into translating :) Łyse into English, but how do I know when I'm done? Does everything need to be translated? For example, on the Polish page there's a reference to a new sports complex? being built -- should that be translated as well? I'm just wondering if that information is relevant to Wikipedia. Also the Polish page doesn't have any references... for example, the unemployment rate seems like a high claim -- JanKokular ( talk) 20:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Some parts of the article are biased. Sometimes stereotypes are quoted.
Can someone check, what Dr Libionka writes in his article? Xx236 ( talk) 08:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
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Poland (allegedly fought wars) with Czechoslovakia over Cieszyn Silesia, with Germany over Poznań and with Ukrainians over Eastern Galicia (Galician War).
I don't remember such war with Czechoslovakia, it was an annexation without Polish defence. An article about Babel should rather contain a list of wars fought in Russia. Xx236 ( talk) 06:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
User M.K now removed info that Ignacy Domeyko was Polish without any discussion and added Lithuanian site as reference he was Lithuanian and claimed he always will be Lithuanian. As multiple reliable sources exist that describe Ignacy as Polish I don't think this is appropriate. -- Molobo ( talk) 20:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Category:Alumni of Jagiellonian University is terribly underpopulated (only 7 articles now). Many, many people who have articles on EN Wiki graduated or studied there, so please help populate it or at least remember such category exists, so you can use it in the future. - Darwinek ( talk) 21:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The article contains a number of misinformations. Xx236 ( talk) 13:30, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
As if I have a team of experts to fix tens of dumb articles about Poland. Xx236 ( talk) 10:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Flight and expulsion of Germans during and after World War II |
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( demographic estimates) |
Background |
Wartime flight and evacuation |
Post-war flight and expulsion |
Later emigration |
Other themes |
This template imposes German POV. The same a Polish victims of WWII template should be imposed in almost any WWII article and Expulsion of Poles in many articles. Xx236 ( talk) 10:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
The Holocaust template doesn't contain any picture. Xx236 ( talk) 11:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
You have your German POV. You are a German so you may have a problem to understand a non-German POV.
If such important subject as the Holocaust doean't use any picture, why do you introduce a relatively big picture in your template? It's not any Godwin's law, but pushing your POV.
If any nation exterminated by Germans introduces its big template with a big picture, you will see what I mean. It's a Wikipedia, not a Germanopedia. Xx236 ( talk) 12:49, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
That template has an obvious German POV; that however doesn't make it wrong (see WP:NPOV - neutrality means not taking sides, BUT it does mean showing their POVs). Of course, as Xx236 noted, we should have an equivalent Polish template for similar Poland related events. That's all. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Not exactly all.
Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates confirms some of my former critics. Xx236 ( talk) 08:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
If you design a template, it's your task to learn the rules. Xx236 ( talk) 08:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Xx236 ( talk) 09:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Response to comment by user:Piotrus That template has an obvious German POV Would you please explain what POV is expressed by that template? Noone did that so far. The template does nothing but to guide the reader through closely related articles, that cover information that as well could all be included into one article if that wouldn't make that article too large. It is dealing with a "German" issue, that is not a POV. I would agree with the template being inadequate when added to all articles somehow related to the expulsions (eg WWII, Pomerania, Silesia, articles on former German municipalities or expulsions of other peoples). That is not the case. All the articles connected by the template exclusively deal with the expulsions. A background and see also section links the "bigger picture" (while the template of course is not introduced to these articles) as it is common usage (see eg the Territorial changess of Poland series template - that by the way is also introducced to articles not exclusively dealing with the territorial changes of Poland, eg Oder-Neisse line). Skäpperöd ( talk) 08:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Response to comment by user:Piotrus we should have an equivalent Polish template That is a completely different issue. If an article series exists for Expulsion of Poles after World War II noone opposes that to have a template. As far as I overlook this matter, so far there are the 2 Repatriation of Poles articles, one of which is a stub and could as well be merged into the other. (By the way, the use of Repatriation in the title looks like a remnant of post-war propaganda, it makes these expulsions and resettlements look like a voluntary call-back of Poles that did not actually belong to the territories they were expelled from, thus it gives that issue a positive touch - that is a POV) Skäpperöd ( talk) 08:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
See also Expulsion of Poles by Germany and Massacres of Poles in Volhynia. Xx236 ( talk) 08:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC) Generalplan Ost. Xx236 ( talk) 08:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Dear Polish Gents-you have fallen into a trap by the German nationalists. To present population transfer of largerly pro-Nazi German population that in majority voted for a certain guy(the one screeming exterminate the Jews and Poles !) with the planned extermination of Polish and Jewish nations(named by the German state "untermenschen") is one of the cornerstones of modern German nationalism. Please don't fall into the trap. Neither were the Germans "untermenschen", neither were they to be exterminated, and can't be compared to their victims. The template is worthless, at best the demonstration of German nationalists mindset.-- TheNoiseBringer ( talk) 10:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
-- TheNoiseBringer ( talk) 11:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
The legality of the expulsion (repatriation) of Poles (1944–1946) is comparable to the one of expulsion of Germans. I have copied a text. Xx236 ( talk) 11:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
If anybody can provide information on the estimated number of Polish collaborators in the Holocaust, please do so - it is being discussed here (after recent edits in history of Polish Jews and Holocaust in Poland claimed that there was one million of Polish Holocaust collaborators).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
A relevant discussion, concerning whether the main article should or shouldn't mention claims about in September '39 "The mutilations [of German by the Poles] included stab wounds to the eyes and missing limbs... The dead in Bydgoszcz included priests, pregnant women, children and the elderly..." In a more reasonable debate, there is a request for reliable info on German civilian losses in Poland at Talk:Invasion_of_Poland_(1939)#Civlian_losses. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have access to a better image of this spectacular location? Either new photography or historic public domain material--I'll restore the latter if it's sufficient quality. This would be the perfect topic for a featured picture, if only we had an image worthy of the location. Please leave me a note at my user talk to follow up. Best wishes, Durova Charge! 19:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
This one wasn't fully rebuilt after the war. Think it would be a good choice? Durova Charge! 22:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
A Ukrainian Wikipedist, Galassi, has introduced allegations into the " Chopin" and " Mickiewicz" articles that it has been proven that Chopin's and Mickiewicz's mothers were descended from Frankist Jewish families. He cites as evidence for both these assertions "M. Mieses, Polacy–Chrześcianie pochodzenia żydowskiego, I–IV vol., Warszawa, 1938," giving no specific volume or page numbers. In the same " Chopin" article he makes an analogous assertion concerning the ancestry of Countess Skarbek, merely citing a Russian newspaper, Kaskad.
I've read of hypotheses that Mickiewicz's mother might have been of Jewish ancestry — just that, unproven hypotheses. I've never before, however, seen allegations that Chopin's mother was of Jewish ancestry.
I don't care whether Chopin, Mickiewicz or Skarbek were descended from Jews, Maoris or Eskimos. But I do care about the truth. Can someone shed light on these allegations? Nihil novi ( talk) 02:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
According to a more recent than 1938 article by a Belarusian archivist Mickiewicz's mother had Tatar roots. Xx236 ( talk) 10:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
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I wonder if this concept is notable enough to be a stand-alone article? I have just written pl:Grupa pułkowników, I am thinking about translating it and merging Piłsudskiite into it. Comments? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no mass conclusion. Recommend that each situation should be proposed individually and adequate evidence provided before any decision to move (or not) is made. JPG-GR ( talk) 05:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I need additional opinions on the mass moves for the
Template:Administrative division of Congress Poland and the related pages. It appears that an editor made some significant movement of articles (approximately 11 15 articles) to unsupportable english-language names on EN.WP, ex.
Avgustov Governorate vs
Augustow Governorate /
Augustów Governorate on 2 July 2008.
Affected pages / templates & moves made include -
I reference the following documents to support my claim:
I have put a request onto WP:RM asking to have the pages rolled back to the prior state before the edits.
I don't have an axe to grind here, I just want the EN.WP historical names to reasonably reflect maps of the era and general usage in English-language sources.
Ajh1492 ( talk) 12:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The link to the exact
WP:RM request.
Ajh1492 ( talk) 13:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Google doesn't support Keltse Governorate, OR? Xx236 ( talk) 14:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
In any case, this discussion should be moved to a general interest article - I'd suggest Talk:Administrative division of Congress Poland - and I'd suggest notyfing editors of Russian noticeboard of it, and perhaps filling a formal WP:RM.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The
WP:RM request has been submitted already.
With the discussion pointed here.
Looking to modern english usage, Genealogy sites, dealing with the era in question (1831-1915), refer to anglicized spellings.
Ajh1492 ( talk) 18:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The new names are either vanishingly rare or never used in English; the Google results refer only to Wikipedia mirrors. Wikipedia is not here to establish neologisms or prescribe usage in the English language - the names are completely unsuitable; ones from English-language texts should be found and used. Knepflerle ( talk) 18:31, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
ceased to exist - a masterpiece of propaganda. BTW, not all believers shared your view Podlachian martyrs. Xx236 ( talk) 13:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Exec ( talk · contribs) who in late 2005 made a brief appearance with heavy anti-Polish pro-German POV ( ex.) has now reappeared with a dubious map of 1912 Polish population, adding it to several articles. Please consider commenting at commons:Image talk:Polska-ww1-nation.png; I wonder if the map is reliable enough to be kept or should it be removed? A major problem with the map is that it classifies Polish minority as 40-50% and thus territories with less than 40% Polish minority are colored as "non-Polish minority"... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
... and where they should (not) be added is discussed on Portal_talk:History#Wehrmacht_warcrimes. Skäpperöd ( talk) 07:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
... is discussed at both template talk:German borders and template talk:borders of Poland. The merged template is used already in:
...and would look like this:
German border template | + Polish border template | = merged template (?) | ||||||||||||||
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Skäpperöd ( talk) 16:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Against I think you're trying to be too minimalist. If you take the thought to a logical conclusion then there should only be one for Border Changes in Europe - 20th Century. My 2 cents would be to leave the two separate ones and not combine them. Ajh1492 ( talk) 01:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I do not support having a merged template. The merged template does not talk about Russia and the Kresy. It is better to have the templates stay on a per country basis. Maybe have the templates be able to hide their sections linke the navboxes 199.243.154.132 ( talk) 01:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
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I have upgraded Template:Borders of Poland to use Template:Navbox with collapsible groups to try and cut down the amount of screen real estate used. Ajh1492 ( talk) 03:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
The title presents only Lithuanian POV. A war about Wilno region isn't a Lithuanian War of Independence. Xx236 ( talk) 08:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
I have but I believe that the majority of Polish readers aren't aware that such article exists. Xx236 ( talk) 06:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Are there any proves he used such name? Xx236 ( talk) 11:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Without any result. Xx236 ( talk) 06:25, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Anybody would like expand this important article? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:42, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
A number of Polish history articles has been corrected recently in a specific German way. The expulsion starts with Magna Germania, many reverts. Much fun. examples: Wolf children, Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit Xx236 ( talk) 12:41, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I have voiced my concerns about radical editings by Skäpperöd and the answer was Holidays? Hmmm . Xx236 ( talk) 14:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I'd suggest asking on German noticeboards for active users to police the IP themselves. Disruptive edits from 70s... are nothing new. User:Space Cadet I believe is habitually cleaning up vandalism from that range.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
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Is it possible to upload this useful atlas ? It contains many interesting maps of early XX century Poland and its resources, people, administration. The atlas is fully available here: [8] -- Molobo ( talk) 18:48, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Czerlejewo - Darwinek ( talk) 11:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Either we use historical names Danzig - Gdańsk and Wilno - Vilnius or contemporary ones Gdańsk and Wilno. The current situation - Gdansk vote and Vilnius - is incompatible. Xx236 ( talk) 13:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Guys, it seems things are bit off with this subject on WP. There is a good reference book available at google books Herbarz polski Kaspra Niesieckiego, s. j By Kasper Niesiecki Published by Waif, 1846 that seems to be very good source giving a comprehensive overview that includes all administrative divisions, bishoprics etc, of Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. Please comment.-- Termer ( talk) 03:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Are you saying that you can't see the book? maybe anybody who can could help? It has all coat of arms of the Voivodeships , all leaders listed including Polish kings and Lithuanian dukes , Bishops ; it includes the Russian territories etc, basically everything about the subject imaginable. I was planning to add the missing coat of arms to relevant articles but since the Administrative division template is a bit off compared to the book. Like I asked about Duchy of Warmia, I got stuck with it. So it would be nice to get the book checked out by someone who's fluent in Polish. The bottom line, What I don't want to do, start fixing the subject without consulting with you guys first. Thanks!-- Termer ( talk) 04:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The article is biased, it doesn't mention Ukrainian victims of Ukrainian terror, Soviet and Nazi influence, situation of Ukrainians in other countries (SU, Czechoslovakia). Xx236 ( talk) 08:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Any experts here? Xx236 ( talk) 13:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Since March Joseph Conrad was a Polish writer. I have restored the previous version and realised that the article doesn't inform about JC attitude toward Poland. It would be good to add one-two sentences. Xx236 ( talk) 06:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Molobo for the link to The Project Gutenberg eBook: Notes on Life and Letters, by Joseph Conrad. I had fun scrolling through it. Here’s something I picked up from the chapter called "Poland Revisited":
"Cracow is the town where I spent with my father the last eighteen months of his life. It was in that old royal and academical city that I ceased to be a child, became a boy, had known the friendships, the admirations, the thoughts and the indignations of that age. It was within those historical walls that I began to understand things, form affections, lay up a store of memories and a fund of sensations with which I was to break violently by throwing myself into an unrelated existence... I was pleased with the idea of showing my companions what Polish country life was like; to visit the town where I was at school before the boys by my side should grow too old... the memories of that corner of the Earth where my own boyhood had received its earliest independent impressions." -- Joseph Conrad, "POLAND REVISITED", Notes on Life and Letters
-- Poeticbent talk 19:49, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
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When I edit this page I get an "Attention" notice at the top saying it's very unlikely that anyone will view this page and respond. Presumably this now appears at the top of all "Portal talk" pages. Any way we can get rid of it?-- Kotniski ( talk) 20:05, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
A request for move was initiated to move Settlement Commission from current name to Royal Prussian Settlement Commission in the provinces of West Prussia and Posen [11]
Interested editors are welcomed to engage in debate and discussion.-- Molobo ( talk) 09:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
See here [12] -- Molobo ( talk) 17:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
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A user has, at the head of the " Chopin" article, replaced the elegant portrait of Chopin by Delacroix with a very primitive one by Ary Scheffer that makes the composer look like Pinocchio. If you wish to express your view regarding this substitution, there is voting underway here. Nihil novi ( talk) 03:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Central Europe
Main article: Expulsion of Germans after World War II
I have removed the German POV, but without a result. What to do now? Xx236 ( talk) 06:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
You only deleted any information that Poland was involved (somehow), is that what you call NPOV? 84.139.205.167 ( talk) 15:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
See [13], and discuss on talk if interested. I am currently thinking about who is right :) What about your thoughts? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 13:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Poosible under martial law, but not till 1990. Xx236 ( talk) 13:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Lithuanian minority in Poland. Do you know a cooperative Lithuanian editor? I don't. Xx236 ( talk) 07:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I believe that both of them were imprisoned, now only one article informs about it. Xx236 ( talk) 09:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
They have a Polish father, which started several disputes, also around Poles in Lithuania. Xx236 ( talk) 06:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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Read all about it in increasingly destabilized Żydokomuna article... see talk for relevant discussions. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 05:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
From the Białogard article:
The Red Army occupied the town on March 4, 1945. As a result of the Potsdam Conference following World War II, Belgard was placed under Polish administration in 1945; its German population was expelled and replaced with Poles, many themselves expellees from Polish areas annexed by the Soviet Union.
This is a jarring style to me I'd re-phrase that as integrated into Poland's territory in 1945. Uncontroversial and neutral.
I'd also prefer removed to expelled and populated to replaced.
Kpjas (
talk) 15:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
To answer the question raised in the section's title: Yes, there is an official position in relation to this kind of wording:
The phrase "placed under Polish administration" is the (almost) exact phrase used in the Potsdam Agreement where it reads "shall be under the administration of the Polish State". A re-phrasing should thus not be necessary, eg "integrated into Poland's territory" would be a more troublesome wording as this could be challenged, you all know that the de facto status was quiet clear after the war, but the de jure status was not, and there are different POVs about whether or not it was "Polish territory administered by Poland" or "German territory administered by Poland" back then. What was and is unchallenged is "only" the "territory under Polish administration" (isn't that sufficient?). Given the scope of the article, it would be best to follow the phrasing of the Potsdam Agreement instead of using the "Polish territory" term, that way one must not further debate that issue getting forced by WP:NPOV to represent the different POVs. The phrase "expelled" is also the widely accepted term for the removal of the former German population, so why change?
Now what I don't get is what you mean by POV-pushing and non-neutral wording. Skäpperöd ( talk) 17:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Well we were talking about 1945 events, and about the official wording for these events, weren't we? And until the various border treaties that Piotrus mentioned were drawn, the Potsdam Agreement was the only legal basis. Border revisionism? Justifications for political decisions of superpowers? Calm down, what are you talking about in the first place? Skäpperöd ( talk) 20:17, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I understand you mistaken the Potsdam terminology for a unique historical phrase only used in this agreement meaningless to all further phrases used. That is not the case, this wording was and is used to describe the 1945+ events (see eg Condi Rice et al, 1997, find others via web searches), and no this is not used in a POV sense but merely to most accurately describe the situation without an interpretation. The rendering of the term to express a certain POV was done by (a) attributing the term "temporarily" (West German government POV) or (b) basing a final territorial claim on the Potsdam agreement ignoring the explicit postponing of this matter to a "final peace settlement" which never was drawn (Polish government POV), and that was only substituted by the 2+4 treaty prior to German reunification and the respective PL-GE-border treaties. I am not interested in using only contemporary phrases to describe historical events, which indeed would not make sense, but instead I am interested in proper adressing historical issues.
You see I am trying to be most neutral, and I am astonished of you not bothering to study the matter first and instead yell POV and border revisionism at me. For the controversity I mentioned above, see eg Ryszard W. Piotrowicz et al, 1997 who gives a small overview stating a little more detailed what I summarized above, there are other books going into much more detail if you really are interested. Skäpperöd ( talk) 07:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
To go into much detail is just what I want to avoid, we have consensus on that. The aim is to find a terminology that does not express a POV and is immune against challenging, so we have a stable, NPOV version without detailed information that would violate WP:UNDUE. I think we have consensus about that, too.
@Kotniski: "Purely from a language point of view, "placed under Polish administration" implies to me that it didn't become part of Poland, just that Poles were acting as the authorities there" That is exactly what happened. And after the administration was turned over to the Polish authorities by the Red Army, the Polish authorities did integrate Belgard into the post-war Polish state, unlike the situation in eg Afghanistan today. Yet it is questionable if they were legitimized to do so by the Potsdam Agreement, there we have different POVs (in literature as shown above, please don't make that a personal issue). So either we let out the Potsdam Agreement as the cause of the integration into Poland, or we mention the Potsdam Agreement as a cause but let out the "part of Poland". Or we mention the Potsdam Agreement saying it placed Belgard under Polish administration, which it did (no more no less). The current (?) terminology used in the article, "became Polish", is also perfectly alright, yet you asked for the "official" one. Skäpperöd ( talk) 10:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
As I said above that's one way to do that. "Post-war boundary changes" is a good choice, it combines all changes de facto, de jure, by force, by treaty, without going into detail about that or mentioning actual dates for which the situation would have to be described more accurately. The question is whether to wikilink that to Territorial changes of Poland after World War II as this seems to be a low-developed merge candidate, or rather to Oder-Neisse line which bears much more information, but is not in best shape either. (Maybe it won't really matter to which article we link at all because all the respective articles are interlinked...) Skäpperöd ( talk) 14:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Because there has been no further input, I assume consensus and changed the line in the article accordingly, linking this discussion in the edit summary. Skäpperöd ( talk) 17:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I was asked in my discussion to translate this into English (it's now in Polish), but I checked on the wikipedia-pl on IRC, and admins there were not overly enthusiastic. He is not in the pl wiki or referenced there. The opinion (to be fair, of one Silesian admin) was that the biogram was unlikely to pass muster on the English Wikipedia as notable.
So I punt this project over to you. :) -- Mareklug talk 14:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Do you find a standard behaviour to declare that an editor confirmed his nationality with a DNA testing? I find such statement racist and totally unrelevant to editing this Wikipedia. In this case it was allegedly a non-Polish DNA (what is it a Polish DNA ?), but I wouldn't like any such declaration about any nationality. Xx236 ( talk) 07:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
See, [14]. - Darwinek ( talk) 19:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus 2, which started as a series of complaining about User:Piotrus (whom you I am sure all know), has now expanded ( [15]) with claims that our Project/Noticeboard is a "cabal" and that all Polish editors are biased and likely support Piotrus in some terrible plan to undermine Wikipedia. Example arguments include: "...there is a small group of Polish nationals on Wikipedia"..."It has been happening all over Polish articles, with topics that they never edited before suddenly being besieged by Polish editors, and rules everyone else follows being swept aside by their block voting"..."Since Piotrus has a vast array of IRC and IM friends, happy to blindly revert to Piotrus's edits I doubt that it would work, but we can try"... Among other things, Gadu-Gadu is portrayed as a vehicle for cabalism :) It looks like about half of members of this Project/Board are mentioned there as contributing in some shape and form to the Piotrus-led Polish cabal - if you've ever interacted with Piotrus, you may find that and other diffs presented there as proof you are a member of his cabal. This would be funny if it wasn't serious (some editors who have been harassing Piotrus, and to a lesser extent, me and other members of this project) want to ban Piotrus and portray our WikiProject as an evil cabal. I hesitated to bring this issue here since at first it was about Piotrus, not our WikiProject, but now I think the line has been crossed. I am not very familiar with ArbCom, but I believe good places to post are:
An anti-Polish witch-haunt. Who will be the next after Piotrus? Xx236 ( talk) 05:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Because slandering accusations have been brought against users of the Poland-related Wikipedia notice board I think we might consider making a statement to the ArbCom and the Board. Kpjas ( talk) 05:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Nothing new for me. Many places in this Wikipedia stink, some nations and some views are better than others and Poles are frequently underdogs. Very Christian Gazeta Wyborcza model of admitting all possible crimes doesn't work here, probably other nations don't have their Gazeta Wyborczas. Xx236 ( talk) 06:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh people, didn't you noticed that there is a new phase of Wikipedia and it is already being edited by special interest groups (i.e CAMERA), movements and influenced by intelligence community ? The days of enthusiast editors are mostly gone in areas of interest to politics. -- Molobo ( talk) 15:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd like, if I may, to put in a request for a translation of pl:Kościół św. Rocha w Białymstoku - I fell in love with it when I was in Poland, but alas my knowledge of the language is so poor as to preclude any decent attempt at translating on my own. Also I'd like to see an article on the priest who served there, if possible.
Dziękuję! -- User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 14:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I encourage everyone to get a copy of the current "Polityka" weekly magazine. There is a very interesting article about hunger in post-WWII Poland. This article is very interesting in the context of Polish post-war antisemitism (for eg Kilece Pogrom could be explained as baisicly a food riot.) and the failior of post-war anti-communist resistance can be viewed as a result of apathy caused by hunger. Mieciu K ( talk) 16:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Franek Dolas ( talk · contribs) seems to be engaging in creating a series of Sołtanowicz family hoaxes similar to those of the blocked Potocki ( talk · contribs). I've left him a message on his user talk; how long should we wait before mass revertions and blocking? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Ethnic_and_cultural_conflicts_noticeboard#Bishopric_of_Ermland.2FWarmia: IP wars in progress, input from experienced editors needed.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 04:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
There is a new article on Czeslaw Lejewski. Trying to find related sources, I saw the given name spelled somewhere with a Ł. Is it always the case? Is it in his, anyway? If it is correct, the article should be moved. trespassers william ( talk) 13:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Polish-Jewish_ethnicity_in_lead.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Please update with important anniversaries. I took the liberty of removing some entries such as June 11, 1952: birth of Bronislaw Wildstein, Polish journalist. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 22:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I would appreciate some expert feedback on Talk:Pomerania#Terminology_of_the_Pomeranian_regions - the current English naming of the Polish parts of Pomerania. Skäpperöd ( talk) 17:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Ethnic conflicts in western Poland, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ethnic conflicts in western Poland. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Skäpperöd ( talk) 16:52, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
See WP:RSN#Nationalist Polish newspapers for discussion of whether certain Polish newspapers are reliable or not.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Template:PD-Poland (on commons, commons:Template:PD-Polish) was updated to reflect that it is based on 1926 law. Btw, should we move one so their names are the same? Any suggestions? For the record, I don't have the priviliges to move the commons one, but I can move the one here. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
The title of the article Gross Aktion is being disputed by two users - myself (as 74.15.29.56 and 76.64.212.106) and The PiedCow). In short, while we agree that the subject was a grossaktion, it is not known to English-speakers as ‘’the’’ grossaktion. We have suggested “Gross Aktion in the Warsaw Ghetto “and “Grossaktion in Warsaw” as possible alternatives. Poeticbent, the creator of the article, disagrees. The issue is discussed at Talk:Gross Aktion. 76.64.212.106 ( talk) 11:46, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Good Afternoon,
I am trying to find some information on my husband's uncle, Michael Solanik. Michael passed away in Scotland around 10 yrs ago. We have inherited Michael's art collection and we are now looking at selling, if there is a market for his work. Our email address is ...
sikorsk@tpg.com.au
Kind regards,
Lynn & Joe Sikorski. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.180.137 ( talk) 03:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I recently worked on the Treaty of Stettin articles. The Treaty of Stettin (1570) is categorized a Polish peace treaty, yet I cannot find sources for Polish involvement (and if, what kind of an involvement that would be). Can you? Skäpperöd ( talk) 10:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Lots of names waiting. Milczanowski, Cielecka, Myśliwski, Skrzynecka, Morgenstern.
Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Biographies#Poland
-- Revery ( talk) 16:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
According to WP:BIO Dariusz Ratajczak isn't notable.
The Political activity section informs Ratajczak was considered as a candidate to sejmik. It's not nottable to be considered a candidate.
right-wing links to Right-wing politics, which discusses mostly economic freedom. The LPR wasn't a right wing party, rather a nationalistic one with a leftist economical program. Dariusz Ratajczak isn't a place to discuss LPR's program. Xx236 ( talk) 13:34, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh really? You mean any Polish doktor of history being notable here? Where are their biographical articles? Doktors are removed routinely from Polish Wikipedia. No English language book in the article. Xx236 ( talk) 06:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC) No book has its ISBN mentioned here. So either the article is far from being complete, or these are no books but rather leaflets. Xx236 ( talk) 08:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
The English Wiki isn't a sum of all Wikis. A person notable for Polish language readers isn't always notable for English langauge readers, especially if the person doesn't write, sing in English. It's not the matter what I can (I have put "notability", removed - because "BBC mentioned him once". Is any peson mentioned by the BBC notable?), but what to do with this poorly edited article. Any nation has a number of Ratjczaks, unfortunately some Poles seem to be proud of him, like in the WWII joke - We are the best, we have the biggest bed-bugs. Xx236 ( talk) 11:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I have heard about him, and I read some interviews about him. Mostly because he is controversial (the Irving issue et al). Don't know if this (known and controversial) means "notable". Szopen ( talk) 09:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
A series of articles was written about the spouses of various Polish noblemen. Based on the very sparse information give there, & the equally sparse information in the Polish Wikipedia, they probably cannot stand on their own. (Personally, I am usually reluctant to invoke NOT#INHERITED, but it does seem to fit for these.) they were prodded. As reviewing I decided to redirect them when possible rather than delete. I did this for Zofia Zamoyska; but others among them were married successively to two different noblemen such as Róża Potocka, Konstancja Potocka & Maria Zofia Sieniawska. There's no way I know of for doing an appropriate redirect in this circumstance, unlike, say, when the same man had several spouses not themselves significant. QA proper database should have such a way, but we don't seem to. I have therefore considered this a situation not provided for, and appropriate for IAR, and left the articles,though I anticipate some trouble defending them. This isn't unique, and has occasionally arisen in other contexts also. How shall we handle this? It would be better to centralize the discussion at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography#spouses DGG ( talk) 22:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi. There's an ongoing discussion about the deletion of article "Towns in the Former RSK "
[18]. The article is a list of Croatian towns that were occupied by greaterserbianists during Serbian aggression on Croatia in 1990's; direct occupation and rule from Serbia was hidden by self-proclaimed (and internationally unrecognised) para-state RSK.
Keeping this article would be a precedent for cases like "Towns in former Third Reich". Please, give your opinion.
Kubura (
talk) 07:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
After years of lobbying, the survey is finally here. Please take a few minutes and participate in it. As a research of Wikipedia myself, I cannot stress the importance of this project. Thank you, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 07:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
i started an article about the chessplayer Grzegorz Gajewski who is the member of the Polish team at Dresden chess olympiad which is in progress at the moment. unfortunately somebody tagged the article for speedy deletion due to lack of notability!?!? Loosmark ( talk) 20:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
The category seems to be dominated by WWII events. Should we create a subcat Category:Germany–Poland relations during WWII? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
This new article by Poeticbent has been tagged as a possible copyvio. Please help to rewrite the article and offer comments on talk in the ongoing discussion. Personally I don't think it is a copyvio, but input from others will be certainly appreciated - and the article does need some further expansion and rewriting. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
The article, now Rescue of Jews by Poles during the Holocaust, includes several doubtful or wrong informations. Xx236 ( talk) 15:24, 19 November 2008 (UTC) The List of communities is a disaster, it doesn't inform about anything. Xx236 ( talk) 15:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Lower Silesia also became a Polish war aim, as well as the Baltic coast west of Stettin as far as Rostock and occupation of the Kiel Canal - I don't know anything about such war aims, even German sources don't confirm it. The source is allegedly a Naimark's book. Xx236 ( talk) 09:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Czech opinion about NN's book [20]. Xx236 ( talk) 13:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Would there be interest in resurrecting Wikipedia:Polish Wikipedians' notice board/PLCOTW? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I have a question about the exact correct translation of the full name of Solidarity/Solidarność. On the article's talk page an editor asked: What does "Niezależny Samorządny Związek Zawodowy Solidarność" mean precisely? The reply was: The Independent and Self-Governing Trade Union ‘Solidarność’.
What I would like to know is whether the English word "Trade" is a literal, exact translation of the Polish word. In other words, in Poland, are workers' unions referred to as "trade unions" or as "labor unions"? (Or is that distinction even made?)
Thanks in advance! Cgingold ( talk) 15:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
While expanding Province of Pomerania, I added a paragraph about the fate of the Jewish Pomeranians. They were all deported in February 1940 to a "reservation" near Lublin in what was then Nazi-occupied Poland. I did not however find an article on wiki about this reservation (which was more like a giant open air concentration camp comprising several villages), nor did I find an article that mentions this reservation. Does anyone here know if such an article exists (maybe I searched for wrong titles) or if an article with a broader topic covers this reservation, too? (cross posted from Jewish history portal talk) Skäpperöd ( talk) 14:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
A number of Polish politicans' articles contain old data. Xx236 ( talk) 10:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I just found this: "In 1939, the German Wehrmacht invaded Poland. Atrocities were committed on both sides during and after the invasion.[3][4][5]" From : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pomerania_(1933-present) To me this is unacceptable take on history. You can express your comment here [21]
-- Molobo ( talk) 20:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Please take note of this event. Voting ends in mid-December.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 22:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I have several times protested against the anti-Polish propaganda idea of the Polish Corridor. The Polish name was Pomeranian Voivodeship. Please don't support German nationalistic (even Nazi) POV. Xx236 ( talk) 07:34, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I hardly can oppose all editors. I ask them to read and to reflect.
A number of concepts existed, but aren't described in this Wikipedia or are described as POV. Masters' opinions about former colonies aren't generally quoted as academic. Xx236 ( talk) 10:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
pl:Korytarz polski quotes Józef Beck and informs about an academic book, using "korytarz" in parantheses. Xx236 ( talk) 10:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I bet that many US newspapers used to write N* about Afroamericans, but they don't anymore. So please don't write N* about Poles. Xx236 ( talk) 11:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
A more academic explanation you can find in texts by Norman Davies and Ewa Thompson. Xx236 ( talk) 11:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
They refer to Western/Russian imperialism oriented against smaller cultures and Thompson refers to people (e.g. Polish ones), who accept cultural imperialism. Xx236 ( talk) 11:18, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Polish (Gdansk/Danzig) Corridor and Pomeranian Vovodeship are two different concepts. Yes, the first one is a creation of German Nazi propaganda. So? It is still notable and deserves its own article.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC) Untermensch is an example of an article about German propaganda idea. The Polish Corridor is about the legitimate Polish territory from German POV. Symetriclaly we need an article about German Upper Silesia or Ziemia Złotowska as potentially Polish areas. Xx236 ( talk) 07:25, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
My spelling error, it's of course Boockmann. I can give you a google book snippet for now from the page cited in the article (I have looked, it is indeed from the book cited above). The snippet is of course in German, but it is at least verifiable that the source really states that it was first used in Poland, and then became adopted elsewhere ( [22]). Skäpperöd ( talk) 19:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I inserted a terminology section in the article and felt free to start this section with the sourced information given here. Everyone welcome to expand. Skäpperöd ( talk) 10:23, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
pl:Korytarz polski quotes minister Józef Beck's opinion. The region had official and academic Polish names and such names should be preferred. A Polish academic text uses "korytarz" (in parantheses). Xx236 ( talk) 12:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC) Sikorski talked to French journalists, using their ideas. Xx236 ( talk) 12:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
In Communist Poland Józef Beck was also a subject of jokes, on one picture he rode a goat, who bleated Beck, Beck. Funny those Poles, aren't they? Xx236 ( talk) 08:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure where the above discussion is supposed to be going, but it occurs to me that "Corridor" oughtn't to be capitalized. Anyone for a move to Polish corridor?-- Kotniski ( talk) 16:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I linked the discussion here from the article's talk page already a while ago, and a divirging discussion evolved there already. I'd really prefer to have this all in one place and the proper place is the article's talk page, not a noticeboard. Skäpperöd ( talk) 08:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Dar%C5%82owo&diff=254788752&oldid=254785533 Mysterious for me changes, regarding the Potsdam conference.
The first lines in the History paragraph present radical German bias. Rügen doesn't confirm that Wizlaw IVth was a German duke. Xx236 ( talk) 08:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
We still lack a article on Ukrainians in Second Polish Republic-it is an interesting history, and should cover attempts to reconcile in Volhyn area by Polish authorities as well as pacification of Ukrainian villages by Polish police before the war as well as attempts to colonise Ukrainian territories by Polish settlers.-- Molobo ( talk) 01:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
User Skäpperöd has started to remove information in regards to Polish topics from a town's page, claiming that official authorities are not reliable source of information. He additionally asked the reliable noticeboard if official authorities of Polish administration are to be used on Wikipedia as source of information. As the result of such decision could limit our sources and result in deletion of countless information about Polish history in several cities I am engaged the discussion, noting that official authorities of locations are notable enough that their stance should be presented regarding their locations. You are welcomed to express your opinion. I believe this is a important subject: [25] -- Molobo ( talk) 16:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Nazi propaganda pictures have been recently included. It's a part of thousands of Nazi pictures from Bundesarchive. Nazi propaganda was very good. Xx236 ( talk) 09:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I made some work on Polish corridor but more is needed. Layout improvements, more info on usage by German propaganda, the intelligence and sabotage role of German minority organisations against Second Polish Republic Polish state and so on needs to be covered more in the article. Also correction changes in grammar, spelling would be appreciated-- Molobo ( talk) 18:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Please review the co-existence of Piotrowskis - Tatar knezes and Piotrowski. NVO ( talk) 19:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Jan Pawel Pietrzak, a Polish-American Marine Corps Sergeant. Murdered together with his wife in October 2008. Interestingly enough, for some mysterious reasons, U.S. mainstream media wrote very little or nothing about him. Those interested are asked to help out with the article. Tymek ( talk) 17:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I would like to remove entirely the section "Polish reactions to alleged complicity" from " Extermination Camps" article which is about extermination camps and not about misleading term Polish camps used by some media. Please comment. Thanks-- Jacurek ( talk) 22:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Done. Please revue. Thanks-- Jacurek ( talk) 19:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Almost all Kreis articles present Prussian POV. They don't inform about Polish population, frequently a majority. They don't inform about Nazi occupation. I have modified the lead, but there are tens such articles. I believe that names of cities and villages should be linked, when possible. Xx236 ( talk) 11:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Dear All: I thought it would be a good idea to have a category to link all the Katyn Massacre articles. What I done is started Category:Katyn Massacre with two sub-categories Category:Katyn Massacre Memorials and Category:Katyn Massacre Victims. Hopefully I done it right ((any advice is welcome)). Assuming members here think it is a good idea, my plan is to complete these sections and start others e.g. perhaps one for Individuals connected to the Katyn Massacre such Zdzisław Peszkowski, Andrzej Wajda, Vasili Blokhin and Rudolf Christoph Freiherr von Gersdorff. Anyway if you hate the idea I will removed the categories already created otherwise once indications of support here will work on expanding the material. Jniech ( talk) 16:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Agreed-- Jacurek ( talk) 19:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
To Tymek: I have added Pawłokoma, Brzuska and World War II crimes in Poland to the Category:Massacres of Poles in Volhynia. Is it worth adding 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Galicia (1st Ukrainian) and Ukrainian Insurgent Army? Jniech ( talk) 19:53, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
To Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus: You tagged Category:Katyn Massacre Victims for renaming which I support. My mistake. Should I correct the 13 articles already linked to it? The parent category Category:Katyn Massacre has 3 more articles. The other sub-category Category:Katyn Massacre memorials has another 3. I want to create at least one more sub-category with Individuals connected to the Katyn Massacre as one and maybe another called Katyn Murders. What do you think? Jniech ( talk) 20:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
To Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus and all: Thanks for the help. Hopefully it won’t be too long unstill I stop making basic mistakes and having to ask questions. I was wondering if it was worth starting a list of all the victims of Katyn as a Wikipedia page. The idea is to list the thousands who were murdered with reference sources for each but are not famous enough for a page of their own. Do you think it worth the effort? Jniech ( talk) 10:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Talk:Jarosław_Kaczyński#Controversial_incidents. Thanks-- Jacurek ( talk) 21:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
As far as controversies go, Lech_Wałęsa#Alleged_cooperation_with_communist_security_service is also worth a look.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:15, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Should this be a disambig? Currently it's a redirect to Invasion of Poland (1939).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 22:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
See Talk:First_Partition_of_Poland#Corwin_and_exile_of_senators.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 02:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
On 25th November on the Nazi crimes against ethnic Poles discussion page I raised the question why the redirect was to that page rather than the World War II crimes in Poland. No-one has replied but reading the previous discussion my impression is that there were problems with World War II crimes in Poland which lead to merger suggestions. Recent changes to World War II crimes in Poland mean it now covers crimes by various parties (e.g. Germans, Ukrainians, Soviet Union, Poles). The World War II crimes in Poland needs more work which I am hoping to do over the Christmas break but suggest the redirect for World War II atrocities in Poland goes to World War II crimes in Poland. Any comments from the rest of you would be appreciated. Jniech ( talk) 14:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Would it be correct to say that this football player was often known only as "Deyna"? I was trying to find him on Wikipedia but could not remember his first name. Deyna is a redirect to a fiction character in a book and there was no other link.
I look at stats.grok.se, and the Polish footballer is more popular; he gets 1942 views in November 2008 compared to 270 for the redirect. I think Deyna should redirect to the football player, and at the top of the page we should say "for the character, see..." with a link. But I want to know first if I am right about his name. Bedankt, Zuiver jo ( talk) 18:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Presidents Lech Kaczyński page needs serious attention and should be improved. Right now some sections lack neutrality and the president is portrayed as a "homophobic potato". Please compare it to the Polish version or the pages of the other presidents such as Valdas Adamkus for example. Thanks-- Jacurek ( talk) 18:29, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
A while ago I expressed my concerns at this board of having the expulsions of Poles named "repatriation" not only by the post-war Communists, but also in 2008 wikipedia. I'd also like to merge both articles on this topic because the article on the second wave is only four sentences long. Please discuss at Talk:Repatriation of Poles. Skäpperöd ( talk) 19:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
A beautiful Polish Christmas carol, the article I have just created Bog sie rodzi. Those interested are welcome to help with expansion of it for future DYK nomination. Tymek ( talk) 20:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
There's an ongoing problem stretching over a number of articles about Polish-Jewish history, i.e.: personal memoirs of Holocaust survivors, so eagerly quoted here by some editors. The diaries often contradict the evidence collected over the following decades by professional historians. Aside from the detailed description of individual experiences—which can be considered accurate—personal memoirs written by contemporaries usually include a barrage of normative opinions written without any historical perspective. It looks like, each and every one of those articles featuring quote-farms of normative statements needs to be dealt with separately.
Take as an example, the following Google copy-paste job in the article Rescue of Jews by Poles during the Holocaust. [27] Polish-Jewish contemporary historian, Emanuel Ringelblum, wrote in 1943, clearly unaware of how little was being done in the West to save the Jews from the Holocaust: "…Polish people. It is they whom we blame for the fact that Poland has not taken an equal place alongside the Western European countries in rescuing Jews." Ringelblum surviving in the Warsaw Ghetto could not have been aware of what the West was doing, nor did he know about the clandestine work of people such as Jerzy Jan Lerski or Stefan Korboński. Korboński “sent many telegrams to London to alert the world about the destruction of the Jews, telling that 700 daily were being loaded into freight wagons and dispatched to Treblinka where they were all gassed. But the BBC was silent, nobody abroad believed it: neither the [Western] Jews nor the British authorities. London was flooded with telegrams about Jews being brought from the Balkans, Hungary, Holland to Auschwitz. Even Jews being thus transported from abroad in trains with suitcases and valuables and told by Germans that they are transferred for work, did not believe when some Polish railway men whispered them the truth.” ( Anna Poray) Ringelblum’s statement therefore, is an expression of his depth of despair. It is NOT a statement of historical fact and therefore cannot be quoted in Wikipedia for informational value. But it is...without as much as a footnote.
There are other, endless examples of how selected quotes from individual memoirs are being taken out of personal context and copy-pasted here for the shock value of their normative statements. I wrote about this already during the latest ArbCom case against Piotrus. Unfortunately, I do not have time to go over every article featuring these sort of misrepresentations of facts. The restoration of balance is going to take joint effort and so, I’d like to appeal to editors interested in this subject to please consider helping out as part of your New Year’s resolution maybe. Thanks. -- Poeticbent talk 21:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous editor added the Infobox Former Country to November Uprising. The box actually seems useful, but perhaps not necessarily where it is know. Comments? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 01:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
hi everyone,
I saw this template Template:WikiProject Poland here, which shows an image of today's Poland with the Polish national colours. I have a slight problem with that, because the historical Poland was much bigger than today. By showing only today's borders, it would imply that the project only concern what happened in today's borders, which is not case though. I was thinking about replacing the image File:Poland map flag.svg with File:Herb Polski.svg instead, since it has more of a historical dimension. Also the user boxes already feature the Polish eagle. sincerely Gryffindor 21:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Please see recent changes to Gallus Anonymus. In addition to removal of the Polish name, the article now reads as to suggest he never existed. I will do some more research on this, but more input is appreciated.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 12:14, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
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Do we have anything about this? Szopen ( talk) 09:54, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Help is much appreciated with this freshly created article, see Raids on communist prisons in Poland (1944-1946). Thanks in advance. Tymek ( talk) 05:34, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
I wish to thank all editors who supported me during the blockade. While I don't see myself engaging as much as I did before, at least untill certain issues on Wikipedia aren't dealt with-be certain that I will continue to provide needed information and historic data as well as consult possible improvements to all articles.
Thank you once again.
-- Molobo ( talk) 21:53, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
I was surprised to see that Wikipedia did not have article on this person, anyway, better late than never. Please help out, as this is a very interesting and talked about topic. See Stanislaw Pyjas. Tymek ( talk) 18:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
User:Ajh1492 seems to have made a unilateral decision (citing official sources) to rename Podlachian to Podlaskie Voivodeship, and is amending numerous articles accordingly. Are people happy with this?-- Kotniski ( talk) 11:05, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
In the case of this Polish province (" voivodeship"), I would use the actual Polish name, " Podlaskie." (I would also call such an administrative unit a "province" — the 18th-century Polish-Lithuanian "provinces" ("prowincyje") would be better rendered in English as " Regions.") Nihil novi ( talk) 17:21, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
From my post on the
Podlachian Voivodeship talk page where there was an extensive, multi-year discussion on the name through 1 AUG 2007 with no consensus.
(quote)
Checking the following official Polish government english websites:
We should respect the Polish Government and use their translation to English - Podlaskie.
Plus, as mentioned above, the EU uses Podlaskie - European Commission - Rural Development
(/quote)
We should be using the official english translation as defined by the Polish government. I just don't see where extra discussion is needed.
Ajh1492 ( talk) 18:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
The name was determined after a long discussion at now inactive Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography of Poland (see its talk). Unfortunately, I believe that all editors involved in this discussion - Balcer, Lysy, Appleseed - are now retired :( -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:42, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
Podlachian Voivodeship was set to redirect to Podlaskie Voivodeship.
On use of "Wschodnia Saksonia Południowa", It's the same reason why it's hot dogi and not gorący pies in Polish . . .
Here's a solution. Wikipedia should use the English translation for proper place names in a country as defined by the Foreign Ministry / Department of State of that country. Simple solution.
en.wp does not use translations merely because they are official. Huh? I think that train of thought would just lead en.wp to irrelevance.
Ajh1492 ( talk) 22:49, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I will finish merging the pages. The Podlaskie page was originally a copy of the Podlachian page, but I have updated it with additional material and references.
Ajh1492 ( talk) 02:17, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
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No cathegory informs about Polish past 1920-1939. An example of Soviet language in the article: the Polish inhabitants of Lithuania were given a choice to leave for Poland. Xx236 ( talk) 14:01, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I did it in March and got comment looks like someone is using a grossly outdated map. Xx236 ( talk) 13:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Lokyz keeps to write his version of history. Germans were expelled from Lithuania, the Poles had a choice. Poor Germans and happy Poles. Xx236 ( talk) 13:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
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Since I am particularly interested in the last days of the Second Polish Republic, I have started this article 1939 in Poland, help will be appreciated, as there is a lot of stuff to be added. Tymek ( talk) 18:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Could someone please take a look at the 'Early History' section of Szczebrzeszyn? I'm trying to copy-edit this article but due to less-than-desirable understanding of Polish history, I am unsure how to write a good transition between trade rights (paragraph 2) and familial ownership/rule (paragraph 3). I'm unsure if a good transition would even be possible, but the sudden discussion of familial ownership/rule is jarring as it has no explanation what-so-ever. Thanks for your assistance! -- gardsmyg ( talk) 07:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Note: The following statement has been included in Talk:Kraków, under Notable residents? Make sure to check it out.
There’s a continuous, unremitting problem with the so called notable residents of most Polish cities. The choices are always arbitrary and suspiciously selective. The names are added by chance and equally quickly removed and than reinserted. The "section" idea poses unnecessary challenges for metropolitan cities such as Kraków, where notable residents would count in thousands. The problem with smaller cities is even worse, where red links and attempts at self-promotion abound. Various special interest groups often use this channel to prove a point about their own ethnic presence ahead of everybody else. The question is, should we continue with this practise, or perhaps aim at creating sub-articles for those cities, and call them "Notable residents of such and such city" instead? The section is widely discouraged by the League of Copyeditors and absent in practically all quality articles on world cities anyway. -- Poeticbent talk 18:00, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
My preference is to continue along the lines of Category:Lists of people by city, i.e. List of people from Poznań, a subcategory of Category:Lists of people by Polish cities / Category:Lists of people by place in Poland / etc. Note that List of people from Gdańsk already exists. Olessi ( talk) 19:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
History of the Jews in Poland - this once good article has recently became subject of edit wars, in which some users try to hide unwanted facts and promote their particular agendas. And please do not delete this topic. Tymek ( talk) 01:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I need this title translated [5] -- Molobo ( talk) 23:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
This discussion apparently took place without seeking input from this project, and was decided for deleting the "Polish Americans" category, though the comments were 6 to 4 against such a deletion. Badagnani ( talk) 19:29, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
According to an alleged expert in Polish matters she was a Polish novelist and politician. She played an important role in the formation of communist government in Poland. After World War II she lived in Moscow. Almost every word here is false or unprecise. Xx236 ( talk) 13:21, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
If you are interested in Wanda Wasilewska, join the editing. Xx236 ( talk) 14:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
[6] Comments ? -- Molobo ( talk) 20:02, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
This guy doesn't believe that there's a problem with the phrase Polish death camp and started an edit war. [7] Please intervene? -- Poeticbent talk 22:25, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm new to Wikipedia and I decided to dive right into translating :) Łyse into English, but how do I know when I'm done? Does everything need to be translated? For example, on the Polish page there's a reference to a new sports complex? being built -- should that be translated as well? I'm just wondering if that information is relevant to Wikipedia. Also the Polish page doesn't have any references... for example, the unemployment rate seems like a high claim -- JanKokular ( talk) 20:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Some parts of the article are biased. Sometimes stereotypes are quoted.
Can someone check, what Dr Libionka writes in his article? Xx236 ( talk) 08:24, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
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Poland (allegedly fought wars) with Czechoslovakia over Cieszyn Silesia, with Germany over Poznań and with Ukrainians over Eastern Galicia (Galician War).
I don't remember such war with Czechoslovakia, it was an annexation without Polish defence. An article about Babel should rather contain a list of wars fought in Russia. Xx236 ( talk) 06:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
User M.K now removed info that Ignacy Domeyko was Polish without any discussion and added Lithuanian site as reference he was Lithuanian and claimed he always will be Lithuanian. As multiple reliable sources exist that describe Ignacy as Polish I don't think this is appropriate. -- Molobo ( talk) 20:43, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
Category:Alumni of Jagiellonian University is terribly underpopulated (only 7 articles now). Many, many people who have articles on EN Wiki graduated or studied there, so please help populate it or at least remember such category exists, so you can use it in the future. - Darwinek ( talk) 21:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The article contains a number of misinformations. Xx236 ( talk) 13:30, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
As if I have a team of experts to fix tens of dumb articles about Poland. Xx236 ( talk) 10:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Flight and expulsion of Germans during and after World War II |
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( demographic estimates) |
Background |
Wartime flight and evacuation |
Post-war flight and expulsion |
Later emigration |
Other themes |
This template imposes German POV. The same a Polish victims of WWII template should be imposed in almost any WWII article and Expulsion of Poles in many articles. Xx236 ( talk) 10:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
The Holocaust template doesn't contain any picture. Xx236 ( talk) 11:12, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
You have your German POV. You are a German so you may have a problem to understand a non-German POV.
If such important subject as the Holocaust doean't use any picture, why do you introduce a relatively big picture in your template? It's not any Godwin's law, but pushing your POV.
If any nation exterminated by Germans introduces its big template with a big picture, you will see what I mean. It's a Wikipedia, not a Germanopedia. Xx236 ( talk) 12:49, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
That template has an obvious German POV; that however doesn't make it wrong (see WP:NPOV - neutrality means not taking sides, BUT it does mean showing their POVs). Of course, as Xx236 noted, we should have an equivalent Polish template for similar Poland related events. That's all. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
Not exactly all.
Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates confirms some of my former critics. Xx236 ( talk) 08:13, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
If you design a template, it's your task to learn the rules. Xx236 ( talk) 08:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Xx236 ( talk) 09:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Response to comment by user:Piotrus That template has an obvious German POV Would you please explain what POV is expressed by that template? Noone did that so far. The template does nothing but to guide the reader through closely related articles, that cover information that as well could all be included into one article if that wouldn't make that article too large. It is dealing with a "German" issue, that is not a POV. I would agree with the template being inadequate when added to all articles somehow related to the expulsions (eg WWII, Pomerania, Silesia, articles on former German municipalities or expulsions of other peoples). That is not the case. All the articles connected by the template exclusively deal with the expulsions. A background and see also section links the "bigger picture" (while the template of course is not introduced to these articles) as it is common usage (see eg the Territorial changess of Poland series template - that by the way is also introducced to articles not exclusively dealing with the territorial changes of Poland, eg Oder-Neisse line). Skäpperöd ( talk) 08:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Response to comment by user:Piotrus we should have an equivalent Polish template That is a completely different issue. If an article series exists for Expulsion of Poles after World War II noone opposes that to have a template. As far as I overlook this matter, so far there are the 2 Repatriation of Poles articles, one of which is a stub and could as well be merged into the other. (By the way, the use of Repatriation in the title looks like a remnant of post-war propaganda, it makes these expulsions and resettlements look like a voluntary call-back of Poles that did not actually belong to the territories they were expelled from, thus it gives that issue a positive touch - that is a POV) Skäpperöd ( talk) 08:22, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
See also Expulsion of Poles by Germany and Massacres of Poles in Volhynia. Xx236 ( talk) 08:29, 29 July 2008 (UTC) Generalplan Ost. Xx236 ( talk) 08:38, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Dear Polish Gents-you have fallen into a trap by the German nationalists. To present population transfer of largerly pro-Nazi German population that in majority voted for a certain guy(the one screeming exterminate the Jews and Poles !) with the planned extermination of Polish and Jewish nations(named by the German state "untermenschen") is one of the cornerstones of modern German nationalism. Please don't fall into the trap. Neither were the Germans "untermenschen", neither were they to be exterminated, and can't be compared to their victims. The template is worthless, at best the demonstration of German nationalists mindset.-- TheNoiseBringer ( talk) 10:59, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
-- TheNoiseBringer ( talk) 11:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
The legality of the expulsion (repatriation) of Poles (1944–1946) is comparable to the one of expulsion of Germans. I have copied a text. Xx236 ( talk) 11:10, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
If anybody can provide information on the estimated number of Polish collaborators in the Holocaust, please do so - it is being discussed here (after recent edits in history of Polish Jews and Holocaust in Poland claimed that there was one million of Polish Holocaust collaborators).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:16, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
A relevant discussion, concerning whether the main article should or shouldn't mention claims about in September '39 "The mutilations [of German by the Poles] included stab wounds to the eyes and missing limbs... The dead in Bydgoszcz included priests, pregnant women, children and the elderly..." In a more reasonable debate, there is a request for reliable info on German civilian losses in Poland at Talk:Invasion_of_Poland_(1939)#Civlian_losses. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Does anyone have access to a better image of this spectacular location? Either new photography or historic public domain material--I'll restore the latter if it's sufficient quality. This would be the perfect topic for a featured picture, if only we had an image worthy of the location. Please leave me a note at my user talk to follow up. Best wishes, Durova Charge! 19:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
This one wasn't fully rebuilt after the war. Think it would be a good choice? Durova Charge! 22:32, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
A Ukrainian Wikipedist, Galassi, has introduced allegations into the " Chopin" and " Mickiewicz" articles that it has been proven that Chopin's and Mickiewicz's mothers were descended from Frankist Jewish families. He cites as evidence for both these assertions "M. Mieses, Polacy–Chrześcianie pochodzenia żydowskiego, I–IV vol., Warszawa, 1938," giving no specific volume or page numbers. In the same " Chopin" article he makes an analogous assertion concerning the ancestry of Countess Skarbek, merely citing a Russian newspaper, Kaskad.
I've read of hypotheses that Mickiewicz's mother might have been of Jewish ancestry — just that, unproven hypotheses. I've never before, however, seen allegations that Chopin's mother was of Jewish ancestry.
I don't care whether Chopin, Mickiewicz or Skarbek were descended from Jews, Maoris or Eskimos. But I do care about the truth. Can someone shed light on these allegations? Nihil novi ( talk) 02:34, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
According to a more recent than 1938 article by a Belarusian archivist Mickiewicz's mother had Tatar roots. Xx236 ( talk) 10:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
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On a related note, I recommend all members of this project watchlist Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Poland.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if this concept is notable enough to be a stand-alone article? I have just written pl:Grupa pułkowników, I am thinking about translating it and merging Piłsudskiite into it. Comments? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no mass conclusion. Recommend that each situation should be proposed individually and adequate evidence provided before any decision to move (or not) is made. JPG-GR ( talk) 05:58, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
I need additional opinions on the mass moves for the
Template:Administrative division of Congress Poland and the related pages. It appears that an editor made some significant movement of articles (approximately 11 15 articles) to unsupportable english-language names on EN.WP, ex.
Avgustov Governorate vs
Augustow Governorate /
Augustów Governorate on 2 July 2008.
Affected pages / templates & moves made include -
I reference the following documents to support my claim:
I have put a request onto WP:RM asking to have the pages rolled back to the prior state before the edits.
I don't have an axe to grind here, I just want the EN.WP historical names to reasonably reflect maps of the era and general usage in English-language sources.
Ajh1492 ( talk) 12:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The link to the exact
WP:RM request.
Ajh1492 ( talk) 13:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
Google doesn't support Keltse Governorate, OR? Xx236 ( talk) 14:20, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
In any case, this discussion should be moved to a general interest article - I'd suggest Talk:Administrative division of Congress Poland - and I'd suggest notyfing editors of Russian noticeboard of it, and perhaps filling a formal WP:RM.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The
WP:RM request has been submitted already.
With the discussion pointed here.
Looking to modern english usage, Genealogy sites, dealing with the era in question (1831-1915), refer to anglicized spellings.
Ajh1492 ( talk) 18:11, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
The new names are either vanishingly rare or never used in English; the Google results refer only to Wikipedia mirrors. Wikipedia is not here to establish neologisms or prescribe usage in the English language - the names are completely unsuitable; ones from English-language texts should be found and used. Knepflerle ( talk) 18:31, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
ceased to exist - a masterpiece of propaganda. BTW, not all believers shared your view Podlachian martyrs. Xx236 ( talk) 13:13, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Exec ( talk · contribs) who in late 2005 made a brief appearance with heavy anti-Polish pro-German POV ( ex.) has now reappeared with a dubious map of 1912 Polish population, adding it to several articles. Please consider commenting at commons:Image talk:Polska-ww1-nation.png; I wonder if the map is reliable enough to be kept or should it be removed? A major problem with the map is that it classifies Polish minority as 40-50% and thus territories with less than 40% Polish minority are colored as "non-Polish minority"... -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:28, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
... and where they should (not) be added is discussed on Portal_talk:History#Wehrmacht_warcrimes. Skäpperöd ( talk) 07:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
... is discussed at both template talk:German borders and template talk:borders of Poland. The merged template is used already in:
...and would look like this:
German border template | + Polish border template | = merged template (?) | ||||||||||||||
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Skäpperöd ( talk) 16:35, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Against I think you're trying to be too minimalist. If you take the thought to a logical conclusion then there should only be one for Border Changes in Europe - 20th Century. My 2 cents would be to leave the two separate ones and not combine them. Ajh1492 ( talk) 01:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I do not support having a merged template. The merged template does not talk about Russia and the Kresy. It is better to have the templates stay on a per country basis. Maybe have the templates be able to hide their sections linke the navboxes 199.243.154.132 ( talk) 01:25, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Zaolzie, an article tagged by this project, has been placed on hold following its GA Sweeps Review, pending a few relatively minor issues being cleared up. The review can be found here. -- Malleus Fatuorum ( talk) 23:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
I have upgraded Template:Borders of Poland to use Template:Navbox with collapsible groups to try and cut down the amount of screen real estate used. Ajh1492 ( talk) 03:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
The title presents only Lithuanian POV. A war about Wilno region isn't a Lithuanian War of Independence. Xx236 ( talk) 08:49, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
I have but I believe that the majority of Polish readers aren't aware that such article exists. Xx236 ( talk) 06:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Are there any proves he used such name? Xx236 ( talk) 11:40, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Without any result. Xx236 ( talk) 06:25, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Anybody would like expand this important article? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:42, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
A number of Polish history articles has been corrected recently in a specific German way. The expulsion starts with Magna Germania, many reverts. Much fun. examples: Wolf children, Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit Xx236 ( talk) 12:41, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I have voiced my concerns about radical editings by Skäpperöd and the answer was Holidays? Hmmm . Xx236 ( talk) 14:02, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
I'd suggest asking on German noticeboards for active users to police the IP themselves. Disruptive edits from 70s... are nothing new. User:Space Cadet I believe is habitually cleaning up vandalism from that range.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 17:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
All editors writing on military-related issues are encouraged to announce their creations/improvements at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Contest.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 22:54, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Is it possible to upload this useful atlas ? It contains many interesting maps of early XX century Poland and its resources, people, administration. The atlas is fully available here: [8] -- Molobo ( talk) 18:48, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Czerlejewo - Darwinek ( talk) 11:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
Either we use historical names Danzig - Gdańsk and Wilno - Vilnius or contemporary ones Gdańsk and Wilno. The current situation - Gdansk vote and Vilnius - is incompatible. Xx236 ( talk) 13:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Guys, it seems things are bit off with this subject on WP. There is a good reference book available at google books Herbarz polski Kaspra Niesieckiego, s. j By Kasper Niesiecki Published by Waif, 1846 that seems to be very good source giving a comprehensive overview that includes all administrative divisions, bishoprics etc, of Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. Please comment.-- Termer ( talk) 03:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Are you saying that you can't see the book? maybe anybody who can could help? It has all coat of arms of the Voivodeships , all leaders listed including Polish kings and Lithuanian dukes , Bishops ; it includes the Russian territories etc, basically everything about the subject imaginable. I was planning to add the missing coat of arms to relevant articles but since the Administrative division template is a bit off compared to the book. Like I asked about Duchy of Warmia, I got stuck with it. So it would be nice to get the book checked out by someone who's fluent in Polish. The bottom line, What I don't want to do, start fixing the subject without consulting with you guys first. Thanks!-- Termer ( talk) 04:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
The article is biased, it doesn't mention Ukrainian victims of Ukrainian terror, Soviet and Nazi influence, situation of Ukrainians in other countries (SU, Czechoslovakia). Xx236 ( talk) 08:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Any experts here? Xx236 ( talk) 13:17, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
Since March Joseph Conrad was a Polish writer. I have restored the previous version and realised that the article doesn't inform about JC attitude toward Poland. It would be good to add one-two sentences. Xx236 ( talk) 06:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Molobo for the link to The Project Gutenberg eBook: Notes on Life and Letters, by Joseph Conrad. I had fun scrolling through it. Here’s something I picked up from the chapter called "Poland Revisited":
"Cracow is the town where I spent with my father the last eighteen months of his life. It was in that old royal and academical city that I ceased to be a child, became a boy, had known the friendships, the admirations, the thoughts and the indignations of that age. It was within those historical walls that I began to understand things, form affections, lay up a store of memories and a fund of sensations with which I was to break violently by throwing myself into an unrelated existence... I was pleased with the idea of showing my companions what Polish country life was like; to visit the town where I was at school before the boys by my side should grow too old... the memories of that corner of the Earth where my own boyhood had received its earliest independent impressions." -- Joseph Conrad, "POLAND REVISITED", Notes on Life and Letters
-- Poeticbent talk 19:49, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
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A request for move was initiated to move Settlement Commission from current name to Royal Prussian Settlement Commission in the provinces of West Prussia and Posen [11]
Interested editors are welcomed to engage in debate and discussion.-- Molobo ( talk) 09:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
See here [12] -- Molobo ( talk) 17:56, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
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Article Zygmunt Kurnatowski, Major General of army of Polish kingdom, is needing immediate attention. Please correct Grammar, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.173.19 ( talk • contribs) 16:09, March 31, 2008
A user has, at the head of the " Chopin" article, replaced the elegant portrait of Chopin by Delacroix with a very primitive one by Ary Scheffer that makes the composer look like Pinocchio. If you wish to express your view regarding this substitution, there is voting underway here. Nihil novi ( talk) 03:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Central Europe
Main article: Expulsion of Germans after World War II
I have removed the German POV, but without a result. What to do now? Xx236 ( talk) 06:03, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
You only deleted any information that Poland was involved (somehow), is that what you call NPOV? 84.139.205.167 ( talk) 15:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
See [13], and discuss on talk if interested. I am currently thinking about who is right :) What about your thoughts? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 13:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Poosible under martial law, but not till 1990. Xx236 ( talk) 13:54, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Lithuanian minority in Poland. Do you know a cooperative Lithuanian editor? I don't. Xx236 ( talk) 07:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I believe that both of them were imprisoned, now only one article informs about it. Xx236 ( talk) 09:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
They have a Polish father, which started several disputes, also around Poles in Lithuania. Xx236 ( talk) 06:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
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Read all about it in increasingly destabilized Żydokomuna article... see talk for relevant discussions. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 05:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
From the Białogard article:
The Red Army occupied the town on March 4, 1945. As a result of the Potsdam Conference following World War II, Belgard was placed under Polish administration in 1945; its German population was expelled and replaced with Poles, many themselves expellees from Polish areas annexed by the Soviet Union.
This is a jarring style to me I'd re-phrase that as integrated into Poland's territory in 1945. Uncontroversial and neutral.
I'd also prefer removed to expelled and populated to replaced.
Kpjas (
talk) 15:14, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
To answer the question raised in the section's title: Yes, there is an official position in relation to this kind of wording:
The phrase "placed under Polish administration" is the (almost) exact phrase used in the Potsdam Agreement where it reads "shall be under the administration of the Polish State". A re-phrasing should thus not be necessary, eg "integrated into Poland's territory" would be a more troublesome wording as this could be challenged, you all know that the de facto status was quiet clear after the war, but the de jure status was not, and there are different POVs about whether or not it was "Polish territory administered by Poland" or "German territory administered by Poland" back then. What was and is unchallenged is "only" the "territory under Polish administration" (isn't that sufficient?). Given the scope of the article, it would be best to follow the phrasing of the Potsdam Agreement instead of using the "Polish territory" term, that way one must not further debate that issue getting forced by WP:NPOV to represent the different POVs. The phrase "expelled" is also the widely accepted term for the removal of the former German population, so why change?
Now what I don't get is what you mean by POV-pushing and non-neutral wording. Skäpperöd ( talk) 17:23, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Well we were talking about 1945 events, and about the official wording for these events, weren't we? And until the various border treaties that Piotrus mentioned were drawn, the Potsdam Agreement was the only legal basis. Border revisionism? Justifications for political decisions of superpowers? Calm down, what are you talking about in the first place? Skäpperöd ( talk) 20:17, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
I understand you mistaken the Potsdam terminology for a unique historical phrase only used in this agreement meaningless to all further phrases used. That is not the case, this wording was and is used to describe the 1945+ events (see eg Condi Rice et al, 1997, find others via web searches), and no this is not used in a POV sense but merely to most accurately describe the situation without an interpretation. The rendering of the term to express a certain POV was done by (a) attributing the term "temporarily" (West German government POV) or (b) basing a final territorial claim on the Potsdam agreement ignoring the explicit postponing of this matter to a "final peace settlement" which never was drawn (Polish government POV), and that was only substituted by the 2+4 treaty prior to German reunification and the respective PL-GE-border treaties. I am not interested in using only contemporary phrases to describe historical events, which indeed would not make sense, but instead I am interested in proper adressing historical issues.
You see I am trying to be most neutral, and I am astonished of you not bothering to study the matter first and instead yell POV and border revisionism at me. For the controversity I mentioned above, see eg Ryszard W. Piotrowicz et al, 1997 who gives a small overview stating a little more detailed what I summarized above, there are other books going into much more detail if you really are interested. Skäpperöd ( talk) 07:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
To go into much detail is just what I want to avoid, we have consensus on that. The aim is to find a terminology that does not express a POV and is immune against challenging, so we have a stable, NPOV version without detailed information that would violate WP:UNDUE. I think we have consensus about that, too.
@Kotniski: "Purely from a language point of view, "placed under Polish administration" implies to me that it didn't become part of Poland, just that Poles were acting as the authorities there" That is exactly what happened. And after the administration was turned over to the Polish authorities by the Red Army, the Polish authorities did integrate Belgard into the post-war Polish state, unlike the situation in eg Afghanistan today. Yet it is questionable if they were legitimized to do so by the Potsdam Agreement, there we have different POVs (in literature as shown above, please don't make that a personal issue). So either we let out the Potsdam Agreement as the cause of the integration into Poland, or we mention the Potsdam Agreement as a cause but let out the "part of Poland". Or we mention the Potsdam Agreement saying it placed Belgard under Polish administration, which it did (no more no less). The current (?) terminology used in the article, "became Polish", is also perfectly alright, yet you asked for the "official" one. Skäpperöd ( talk) 10:40, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
As I said above that's one way to do that. "Post-war boundary changes" is a good choice, it combines all changes de facto, de jure, by force, by treaty, without going into detail about that or mentioning actual dates for which the situation would have to be described more accurately. The question is whether to wikilink that to Territorial changes of Poland after World War II as this seems to be a low-developed merge candidate, or rather to Oder-Neisse line which bears much more information, but is not in best shape either. (Maybe it won't really matter to which article we link at all because all the respective articles are interlinked...) Skäpperöd ( talk) 14:07, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Because there has been no further input, I assume consensus and changed the line in the article accordingly, linking this discussion in the edit summary. Skäpperöd ( talk) 17:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I was asked in my discussion to translate this into English (it's now in Polish), but I checked on the wikipedia-pl on IRC, and admins there were not overly enthusiastic. He is not in the pl wiki or referenced there. The opinion (to be fair, of one Silesian admin) was that the biogram was unlikely to pass muster on the English Wikipedia as notable.
So I punt this project over to you. :) -- Mareklug talk 14:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Do you find a standard behaviour to declare that an editor confirmed his nationality with a DNA testing? I find such statement racist and totally unrelevant to editing this Wikipedia. In this case it was allegedly a non-Polish DNA (what is it a Polish DNA ?), but I wouldn't like any such declaration about any nationality. Xx236 ( talk) 07:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
See, [14]. - Darwinek ( talk) 19:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus 2, which started as a series of complaining about User:Piotrus (whom you I am sure all know), has now expanded ( [15]) with claims that our Project/Noticeboard is a "cabal" and that all Polish editors are biased and likely support Piotrus in some terrible plan to undermine Wikipedia. Example arguments include: "...there is a small group of Polish nationals on Wikipedia"..."It has been happening all over Polish articles, with topics that they never edited before suddenly being besieged by Polish editors, and rules everyone else follows being swept aside by their block voting"..."Since Piotrus has a vast array of IRC and IM friends, happy to blindly revert to Piotrus's edits I doubt that it would work, but we can try"... Among other things, Gadu-Gadu is portrayed as a vehicle for cabalism :) It looks like about half of members of this Project/Board are mentioned there as contributing in some shape and form to the Piotrus-led Polish cabal - if you've ever interacted with Piotrus, you may find that and other diffs presented there as proof you are a member of his cabal. This would be funny if it wasn't serious (some editors who have been harassing Piotrus, and to a lesser extent, me and other members of this project) want to ban Piotrus and portray our WikiProject as an evil cabal. I hesitated to bring this issue here since at first it was about Piotrus, not our WikiProject, but now I think the line has been crossed. I am not very familiar with ArbCom, but I believe good places to post are:
An anti-Polish witch-haunt. Who will be the next after Piotrus? Xx236 ( talk) 05:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Because slandering accusations have been brought against users of the Poland-related Wikipedia notice board I think we might consider making a statement to the ArbCom and the Board. Kpjas ( talk) 05:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Nothing new for me. Many places in this Wikipedia stink, some nations and some views are better than others and Poles are frequently underdogs. Very Christian Gazeta Wyborcza model of admitting all possible crimes doesn't work here, probably other nations don't have their Gazeta Wyborczas. Xx236 ( talk) 06:31, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh people, didn't you noticed that there is a new phase of Wikipedia and it is already being edited by special interest groups (i.e CAMERA), movements and influenced by intelligence community ? The days of enthusiast editors are mostly gone in areas of interest to politics. -- Molobo ( talk) 15:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd like, if I may, to put in a request for a translation of pl:Kościół św. Rocha w Białymstoku - I fell in love with it when I was in Poland, but alas my knowledge of the language is so poor as to preclude any decent attempt at translating on my own. Also I'd like to see an article on the priest who served there, if possible.
Dziękuję! -- User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 14:25, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I encourage everyone to get a copy of the current "Polityka" weekly magazine. There is a very interesting article about hunger in post-WWII Poland. This article is very interesting in the context of Polish post-war antisemitism (for eg Kilece Pogrom could be explained as baisicly a food riot.) and the failior of post-war anti-communist resistance can be viewed as a result of apathy caused by hunger. Mieciu K ( talk) 16:33, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Franek Dolas ( talk · contribs) seems to be engaging in creating a series of Sołtanowicz family hoaxes similar to those of the blocked Potocki ( talk · contribs). I've left him a message on his user talk; how long should we wait before mass revertions and blocking? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 00:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Ethnic_and_cultural_conflicts_noticeboard#Bishopric_of_Ermland.2FWarmia: IP wars in progress, input from experienced editors needed.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 04:31, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
There is a new article on Czeslaw Lejewski. Trying to find related sources, I saw the given name spelled somewhere with a Ł. Is it always the case? Is it in his, anyway? If it is correct, the article should be moved. trespassers william ( talk) 13:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Polish-Jewish_ethnicity_in_lead.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Please update with important anniversaries. I took the liberty of removing some entries such as June 11, 1952: birth of Bronislaw Wildstein, Polish journalist. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 22:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I would appreciate some expert feedback on Talk:Pomerania#Terminology_of_the_Pomeranian_regions - the current English naming of the Polish parts of Pomerania. Skäpperöd ( talk) 17:44, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
An article that you have been involved in editing, Ethnic conflicts in western Poland, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ethnic conflicts in western Poland. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Skäpperöd ( talk) 16:52, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
See WP:RSN#Nationalist Polish newspapers for discussion of whether certain Polish newspapers are reliable or not.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:27, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Template:PD-Poland (on commons, commons:Template:PD-Polish) was updated to reflect that it is based on 1926 law. Btw, should we move one so their names are the same? Any suggestions? For the record, I don't have the priviliges to move the commons one, but I can move the one here. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
The title of the article Gross Aktion is being disputed by two users - myself (as 74.15.29.56 and 76.64.212.106) and The PiedCow). In short, while we agree that the subject was a grossaktion, it is not known to English-speakers as ‘’the’’ grossaktion. We have suggested “Gross Aktion in the Warsaw Ghetto “and “Grossaktion in Warsaw” as possible alternatives. Poeticbent, the creator of the article, disagrees. The issue is discussed at Talk:Gross Aktion. 76.64.212.106 ( talk) 11:46, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Good Afternoon,
I am trying to find some information on my husband's uncle, Michael Solanik. Michael passed away in Scotland around 10 yrs ago. We have inherited Michael's art collection and we are now looking at selling, if there is a market for his work. Our email address is ...
sikorsk@tpg.com.au
Kind regards,
Lynn & Joe Sikorski. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.180.137 ( talk) 03:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I recently worked on the Treaty of Stettin articles. The Treaty of Stettin (1570) is categorized a Polish peace treaty, yet I cannot find sources for Polish involvement (and if, what kind of an involvement that would be). Can you? Skäpperöd ( talk) 10:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Lots of names waiting. Milczanowski, Cielecka, Myśliwski, Skrzynecka, Morgenstern.
Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Biographies#Poland
-- Revery ( talk) 16:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
According to WP:BIO Dariusz Ratajczak isn't notable.
The Political activity section informs Ratajczak was considered as a candidate to sejmik. It's not nottable to be considered a candidate.
right-wing links to Right-wing politics, which discusses mostly economic freedom. The LPR wasn't a right wing party, rather a nationalistic one with a leftist economical program. Dariusz Ratajczak isn't a place to discuss LPR's program. Xx236 ( talk) 13:34, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh really? You mean any Polish doktor of history being notable here? Where are their biographical articles? Doktors are removed routinely from Polish Wikipedia. No English language book in the article. Xx236 ( talk) 06:14, 23 October 2008 (UTC) No book has its ISBN mentioned here. So either the article is far from being complete, or these are no books but rather leaflets. Xx236 ( talk) 08:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
The English Wiki isn't a sum of all Wikis. A person notable for Polish language readers isn't always notable for English langauge readers, especially if the person doesn't write, sing in English. It's not the matter what I can (I have put "notability", removed - because "BBC mentioned him once". Is any peson mentioned by the BBC notable?), but what to do with this poorly edited article. Any nation has a number of Ratjczaks, unfortunately some Poles seem to be proud of him, like in the WWII joke - We are the best, we have the biggest bed-bugs. Xx236 ( talk) 11:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I have heard about him, and I read some interviews about him. Mostly because he is controversial (the Irving issue et al). Don't know if this (known and controversial) means "notable". Szopen ( talk) 09:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
A series of articles was written about the spouses of various Polish noblemen. Based on the very sparse information give there, & the equally sparse information in the Polish Wikipedia, they probably cannot stand on their own. (Personally, I am usually reluctant to invoke NOT#INHERITED, but it does seem to fit for these.) they were prodded. As reviewing I decided to redirect them when possible rather than delete. I did this for Zofia Zamoyska; but others among them were married successively to two different noblemen such as Róża Potocka, Konstancja Potocka & Maria Zofia Sieniawska. There's no way I know of for doing an appropriate redirect in this circumstance, unlike, say, when the same man had several spouses not themselves significant. QA proper database should have such a way, but we don't seem to. I have therefore considered this a situation not provided for, and appropriate for IAR, and left the articles,though I anticipate some trouble defending them. This isn't unique, and has occasionally arisen in other contexts also. How shall we handle this? It would be better to centralize the discussion at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography#spouses DGG ( talk) 22:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi. There's an ongoing discussion about the deletion of article "Towns in the Former RSK "
[18]. The article is a list of Croatian towns that were occupied by greaterserbianists during Serbian aggression on Croatia in 1990's; direct occupation and rule from Serbia was hidden by self-proclaimed (and internationally unrecognised) para-state RSK.
Keeping this article would be a precedent for cases like "Towns in former Third Reich". Please, give your opinion.
Kubura (
talk) 07:37, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
After years of lobbying, the survey is finally here. Please take a few minutes and participate in it. As a research of Wikipedia myself, I cannot stress the importance of this project. Thank you, -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 07:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
i started an article about the chessplayer Grzegorz Gajewski who is the member of the Polish team at Dresden chess olympiad which is in progress at the moment. unfortunately somebody tagged the article for speedy deletion due to lack of notability!?!? Loosmark ( talk) 20:58, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
The category seems to be dominated by WWII events. Should we create a subcat Category:Germany–Poland relations during WWII? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:19, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
This new article by Poeticbent has been tagged as a possible copyvio. Please help to rewrite the article and offer comments on talk in the ongoing discussion. Personally I don't think it is a copyvio, but input from others will be certainly appreciated - and the article does need some further expansion and rewriting. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:13, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
The article, now Rescue of Jews by Poles during the Holocaust, includes several doubtful or wrong informations. Xx236 ( talk) 15:24, 19 November 2008 (UTC) The List of communities is a disaster, it doesn't inform about anything. Xx236 ( talk) 15:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Lower Silesia also became a Polish war aim, as well as the Baltic coast west of Stettin as far as Rostock and occupation of the Kiel Canal - I don't know anything about such war aims, even German sources don't confirm it. The source is allegedly a Naimark's book. Xx236 ( talk) 09:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Czech opinion about NN's book [20]. Xx236 ( talk) 13:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Would there be interest in resurrecting Wikipedia:Polish Wikipedians' notice board/PLCOTW? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:00, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
I have a question about the exact correct translation of the full name of Solidarity/Solidarność. On the article's talk page an editor asked: What does "Niezależny Samorządny Związek Zawodowy Solidarność" mean precisely? The reply was: The Independent and Self-Governing Trade Union ‘Solidarność’.
What I would like to know is whether the English word "Trade" is a literal, exact translation of the Polish word. In other words, in Poland, are workers' unions referred to as "trade unions" or as "labor unions"? (Or is that distinction even made?)
Thanks in advance! Cgingold ( talk) 15:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
While expanding Province of Pomerania, I added a paragraph about the fate of the Jewish Pomeranians. They were all deported in February 1940 to a "reservation" near Lublin in what was then Nazi-occupied Poland. I did not however find an article on wiki about this reservation (which was more like a giant open air concentration camp comprising several villages), nor did I find an article that mentions this reservation. Does anyone here know if such an article exists (maybe I searched for wrong titles) or if an article with a broader topic covers this reservation, too? (cross posted from Jewish history portal talk) Skäpperöd ( talk) 14:30, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
A number of Polish politicans' articles contain old data. Xx236 ( talk) 10:50, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I just found this: "In 1939, the German Wehrmacht invaded Poland. Atrocities were committed on both sides during and after the invasion.[3][4][5]" From : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Pomerania_(1933-present) To me this is unacceptable take on history. You can express your comment here [21]
-- Molobo ( talk) 20:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Please take note of this event. Voting ends in mid-December.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 22:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I have several times protested against the anti-Polish propaganda idea of the Polish Corridor. The Polish name was Pomeranian Voivodeship. Please don't support German nationalistic (even Nazi) POV. Xx236 ( talk) 07:34, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I hardly can oppose all editors. I ask them to read and to reflect.
A number of concepts existed, but aren't described in this Wikipedia or are described as POV. Masters' opinions about former colonies aren't generally quoted as academic. Xx236 ( talk) 10:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
pl:Korytarz polski quotes Józef Beck and informs about an academic book, using "korytarz" in parantheses. Xx236 ( talk) 10:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I bet that many US newspapers used to write N* about Afroamericans, but they don't anymore. So please don't write N* about Poles. Xx236 ( talk) 11:00, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
A more academic explanation you can find in texts by Norman Davies and Ewa Thompson. Xx236 ( talk) 11:03, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
They refer to Western/Russian imperialism oriented against smaller cultures and Thompson refers to people (e.g. Polish ones), who accept cultural imperialism. Xx236 ( talk) 11:18, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Polish (Gdansk/Danzig) Corridor and Pomeranian Vovodeship are two different concepts. Yes, the first one is a creation of German Nazi propaganda. So? It is still notable and deserves its own article.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:56, 1 December 2008 (UTC) Untermensch is an example of an article about German propaganda idea. The Polish Corridor is about the legitimate Polish territory from German POV. Symetriclaly we need an article about German Upper Silesia or Ziemia Złotowska as potentially Polish areas. Xx236 ( talk) 07:25, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
My spelling error, it's of course Boockmann. I can give you a google book snippet for now from the page cited in the article (I have looked, it is indeed from the book cited above). The snippet is of course in German, but it is at least verifiable that the source really states that it was first used in Poland, and then became adopted elsewhere ( [22]). Skäpperöd ( talk) 19:45, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I inserted a terminology section in the article and felt free to start this section with the sourced information given here. Everyone welcome to expand. Skäpperöd ( talk) 10:23, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
pl:Korytarz polski quotes minister Józef Beck's opinion. The region had official and academic Polish names and such names should be preferred. A Polish academic text uses "korytarz" (in parantheses). Xx236 ( talk) 12:12, 3 December 2008 (UTC) Sikorski talked to French journalists, using their ideas. Xx236 ( talk) 12:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
In Communist Poland Józef Beck was also a subject of jokes, on one picture he rode a goat, who bleated Beck, Beck. Funny those Poles, aren't they? Xx236 ( talk) 08:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure where the above discussion is supposed to be going, but it occurs to me that "Corridor" oughtn't to be capitalized. Anyone for a move to Polish corridor?-- Kotniski ( talk) 16:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I linked the discussion here from the article's talk page already a while ago, and a divirging discussion evolved there already. I'd really prefer to have this all in one place and the proper place is the article's talk page, not a noticeboard. Skäpperöd ( talk) 08:44, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Dar%C5%82owo&diff=254788752&oldid=254785533 Mysterious for me changes, regarding the Potsdam conference.
The first lines in the History paragraph present radical German bias. Rügen doesn't confirm that Wizlaw IVth was a German duke. Xx236 ( talk) 08:37, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
We still lack a article on Ukrainians in Second Polish Republic-it is an interesting history, and should cover attempts to reconcile in Volhyn area by Polish authorities as well as pacification of Ukrainian villages by Polish police before the war as well as attempts to colonise Ukrainian territories by Polish settlers.-- Molobo ( talk) 01:38, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
User Skäpperöd has started to remove information in regards to Polish topics from a town's page, claiming that official authorities are not reliable source of information. He additionally asked the reliable noticeboard if official authorities of Polish administration are to be used on Wikipedia as source of information. As the result of such decision could limit our sources and result in deletion of countless information about Polish history in several cities I am engaged the discussion, noting that official authorities of locations are notable enough that their stance should be presented regarding their locations. You are welcomed to express your opinion. I believe this is a important subject: [25] -- Molobo ( talk) 16:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Nazi propaganda pictures have been recently included. It's a part of thousands of Nazi pictures from Bundesarchive. Nazi propaganda was very good. Xx236 ( talk) 09:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
I made some work on Polish corridor but more is needed. Layout improvements, more info on usage by German propaganda, the intelligence and sabotage role of German minority organisations against Second Polish Republic Polish state and so on needs to be covered more in the article. Also correction changes in grammar, spelling would be appreciated-- Molobo ( talk) 18:52, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Please review the co-existence of Piotrowskis - Tatar knezes and Piotrowski. NVO ( talk) 19:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Jan Pawel Pietrzak, a Polish-American Marine Corps Sergeant. Murdered together with his wife in October 2008. Interestingly enough, for some mysterious reasons, U.S. mainstream media wrote very little or nothing about him. Those interested are asked to help out with the article. Tymek ( talk) 17:56, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
I would like to remove entirely the section "Polish reactions to alleged complicity" from " Extermination Camps" article which is about extermination camps and not about misleading term Polish camps used by some media. Please comment. Thanks-- Jacurek ( talk) 22:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Done. Please revue. Thanks-- Jacurek ( talk) 19:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Almost all Kreis articles present Prussian POV. They don't inform about Polish population, frequently a majority. They don't inform about Nazi occupation. I have modified the lead, but there are tens such articles. I believe that names of cities and villages should be linked, when possible. Xx236 ( talk) 11:29, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Dear All: I thought it would be a good idea to have a category to link all the Katyn Massacre articles. What I done is started Category:Katyn Massacre with two sub-categories Category:Katyn Massacre Memorials and Category:Katyn Massacre Victims. Hopefully I done it right ((any advice is welcome)). Assuming members here think it is a good idea, my plan is to complete these sections and start others e.g. perhaps one for Individuals connected to the Katyn Massacre such Zdzisław Peszkowski, Andrzej Wajda, Vasili Blokhin and Rudolf Christoph Freiherr von Gersdorff. Anyway if you hate the idea I will removed the categories already created otherwise once indications of support here will work on expanding the material. Jniech ( talk) 16:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Agreed-- Jacurek ( talk) 19:18, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
To Tymek: I have added Pawłokoma, Brzuska and World War II crimes in Poland to the Category:Massacres of Poles in Volhynia. Is it worth adding 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Galicia (1st Ukrainian) and Ukrainian Insurgent Army? Jniech ( talk) 19:53, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
To Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus: You tagged Category:Katyn Massacre Victims for renaming which I support. My mistake. Should I correct the 13 articles already linked to it? The parent category Category:Katyn Massacre has 3 more articles. The other sub-category Category:Katyn Massacre memorials has another 3. I want to create at least one more sub-category with Individuals connected to the Katyn Massacre as one and maybe another called Katyn Murders. What do you think? Jniech ( talk) 20:23, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
To Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus and all: Thanks for the help. Hopefully it won’t be too long unstill I stop making basic mistakes and having to ask questions. I was wondering if it was worth starting a list of all the victims of Katyn as a Wikipedia page. The idea is to list the thousands who were murdered with reference sources for each but are not famous enough for a page of their own. Do you think it worth the effort? Jniech ( talk) 10:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Talk:Jarosław_Kaczyński#Controversial_incidents. Thanks-- Jacurek ( talk) 21:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
As far as controversies go, Lech_Wałęsa#Alleged_cooperation_with_communist_security_service is also worth a look.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:15, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Should this be a disambig? Currently it's a redirect to Invasion of Poland (1939).-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 22:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
See Talk:First_Partition_of_Poland#Corwin_and_exile_of_senators.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 02:38, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
On 25th November on the Nazi crimes against ethnic Poles discussion page I raised the question why the redirect was to that page rather than the World War II crimes in Poland. No-one has replied but reading the previous discussion my impression is that there were problems with World War II crimes in Poland which lead to merger suggestions. Recent changes to World War II crimes in Poland mean it now covers crimes by various parties (e.g. Germans, Ukrainians, Soviet Union, Poles). The World War II crimes in Poland needs more work which I am hoping to do over the Christmas break but suggest the redirect for World War II atrocities in Poland goes to World War II crimes in Poland. Any comments from the rest of you would be appreciated. Jniech ( talk) 14:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Would it be correct to say that this football player was often known only as "Deyna"? I was trying to find him on Wikipedia but could not remember his first name. Deyna is a redirect to a fiction character in a book and there was no other link.
I look at stats.grok.se, and the Polish footballer is more popular; he gets 1942 views in November 2008 compared to 270 for the redirect. I think Deyna should redirect to the football player, and at the top of the page we should say "for the character, see..." with a link. But I want to know first if I am right about his name. Bedankt, Zuiver jo ( talk) 18:54, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Presidents Lech Kaczyński page needs serious attention and should be improved. Right now some sections lack neutrality and the president is portrayed as a "homophobic potato". Please compare it to the Polish version or the pages of the other presidents such as Valdas Adamkus for example. Thanks-- Jacurek ( talk) 18:29, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
A while ago I expressed my concerns at this board of having the expulsions of Poles named "repatriation" not only by the post-war Communists, but also in 2008 wikipedia. I'd also like to merge both articles on this topic because the article on the second wave is only four sentences long. Please discuss at Talk:Repatriation of Poles. Skäpperöd ( talk) 19:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
A beautiful Polish Christmas carol, the article I have just created Bog sie rodzi. Those interested are welcome to help with expansion of it for future DYK nomination. Tymek ( talk) 20:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
There's an ongoing problem stretching over a number of articles about Polish-Jewish history, i.e.: personal memoirs of Holocaust survivors, so eagerly quoted here by some editors. The diaries often contradict the evidence collected over the following decades by professional historians. Aside from the detailed description of individual experiences—which can be considered accurate—personal memoirs written by contemporaries usually include a barrage of normative opinions written without any historical perspective. It looks like, each and every one of those articles featuring quote-farms of normative statements needs to be dealt with separately.
Take as an example, the following Google copy-paste job in the article Rescue of Jews by Poles during the Holocaust. [27] Polish-Jewish contemporary historian, Emanuel Ringelblum, wrote in 1943, clearly unaware of how little was being done in the West to save the Jews from the Holocaust: "…Polish people. It is they whom we blame for the fact that Poland has not taken an equal place alongside the Western European countries in rescuing Jews." Ringelblum surviving in the Warsaw Ghetto could not have been aware of what the West was doing, nor did he know about the clandestine work of people such as Jerzy Jan Lerski or Stefan Korboński. Korboński “sent many telegrams to London to alert the world about the destruction of the Jews, telling that 700 daily were being loaded into freight wagons and dispatched to Treblinka where they were all gassed. But the BBC was silent, nobody abroad believed it: neither the [Western] Jews nor the British authorities. London was flooded with telegrams about Jews being brought from the Balkans, Hungary, Holland to Auschwitz. Even Jews being thus transported from abroad in trains with suitcases and valuables and told by Germans that they are transferred for work, did not believe when some Polish railway men whispered them the truth.” ( Anna Poray) Ringelblum’s statement therefore, is an expression of his depth of despair. It is NOT a statement of historical fact and therefore cannot be quoted in Wikipedia for informational value. But it is...without as much as a footnote.
There are other, endless examples of how selected quotes from individual memoirs are being taken out of personal context and copy-pasted here for the shock value of their normative statements. I wrote about this already during the latest ArbCom case against Piotrus. Unfortunately, I do not have time to go over every article featuring these sort of misrepresentations of facts. The restoration of balance is going to take joint effort and so, I’d like to appeal to editors interested in this subject to please consider helping out as part of your New Year’s resolution maybe. Thanks. -- Poeticbent talk 21:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
An anonymous editor added the Infobox Former Country to November Uprising. The box actually seems useful, but perhaps not necessarily where it is know. Comments? -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 01:54, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
hi everyone,
I saw this template Template:WikiProject Poland here, which shows an image of today's Poland with the Polish national colours. I have a slight problem with that, because the historical Poland was much bigger than today. By showing only today's borders, it would imply that the project only concern what happened in today's borders, which is not case though. I was thinking about replacing the image File:Poland map flag.svg with File:Herb Polski.svg instead, since it has more of a historical dimension. Also the user boxes already feature the Polish eagle. sincerely Gryffindor 21:05, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Please see recent changes to Gallus Anonymus. In addition to removal of the Polish name, the article now reads as to suggest he never existed. I will do some more research on this, but more input is appreciated.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 12:14, 20 December 2008 (UTC)