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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Since this CFD recently resulted in deleting Category:All Linux Distributions and discussion will probably end soon about what to do with Category:Independent Linux distributions, I thought it was time to start a discussion about the rest of the sub-cats in Category:Linux distributions. The reason that Category:All Linux Distributions was created in the first place was that, with all the sub-cats here, most with hard to decipher naming, it is almost impossible for readers to know where to find any particular Linux distribution. While that new cat was deleted, the problem remains. I propose that we empty out all the subcats and make Category:Linux distributions a monolithic category with no sub-cats. That way it will simply be a listing of all distros, something that readers can actually make some use of and find distros in, unlike now. - Ahunt ( talk) 14:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Complaints will be accepted once this first phase is done.
Okay, the village Pump discussion has been archived at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 37 with no useful suggestions there either. So as far as I am concerned I am done here. We got the job half done, with the category now containing a list of distros, which is better than nothing, but I can't see any way forward on fixing the category mess. Unless anyone has anything left to add in the next few days, I'll just close this discussion. - Ahunt ( talk) 20:58, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Non-Diffusing does not apply between this category and the one on independent distributions. It’s very disturbing the amount of WP:OWN that is going on in the Linux pages on Wikipedia. One or two users seem to be under the impression their opinions give more weight to the discussion (see the discussion on Unix-like for more examples. GimliDotNet ( talk) 07:49, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Non diffusing categories should be rare and where two categories sound similar but are not really the same. You cannot use “convenience” as a reason to make it non diffusing, that’s an invalid application of WP:CAT. Independent Linux distributions is a direct child of Linux distributions and is good enough. GimliDotNet ( talk) 15:08, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
How on earth did this CFD close as delete? Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 22#Category:Independent Linux distributions GimliDotNet ( talk) 15:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
There has to be a valid reason to avoid the general WP:CAT guidelines on subcategories. At present none has been provided. Also consensus of a couple of people isn’t really that weighty and should not override general Wikipedia guidelines. GimliDotNet ( talk) 15:50, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
it makes no sense at all. GimliDotNet ( talk) 18:01, 6 March 2022 (UTC)Pages listed directly under this category describe operating systems that are based on the Linux kernel, but are not universally recognized as Linux distributions.
Template:Linux distributions is a really good breakdown. There’s no reason we can’t follow the same pattern in categorisation GimliDotNet ( talk) 20:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
The problem is no one contributed to the debate. Articles should be in logical categories based on defining characteristics and in a way that makes them navigable. There is no reason to not subcategorise. The template breaking down by parent distribution is fine, there’s no reason we cannot follow that pattern, and we have List of Linux Distributions for people who wish to see a large list containing all distributions. GimliDotNet ( talk) 05:23, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
I give up. I’ll go work on a project that doesn’t go against community guidance based on the concensus of two users. Good luck to you all GimliDotNet ( talk) 17:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Since this CFD recently resulted in deleting Category:All Linux Distributions and discussion will probably end soon about what to do with Category:Independent Linux distributions, I thought it was time to start a discussion about the rest of the sub-cats in Category:Linux distributions. The reason that Category:All Linux Distributions was created in the first place was that, with all the sub-cats here, most with hard to decipher naming, it is almost impossible for readers to know where to find any particular Linux distribution. While that new cat was deleted, the problem remains. I propose that we empty out all the subcats and make Category:Linux distributions a monolithic category with no sub-cats. That way it will simply be a listing of all distros, something that readers can actually make some use of and find distros in, unlike now. - Ahunt ( talk) 14:43, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
Complaints will be accepted once this first phase is done.
Okay, the village Pump discussion has been archived at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)/Archive 37 with no useful suggestions there either. So as far as I am concerned I am done here. We got the job half done, with the category now containing a list of distros, which is better than nothing, but I can't see any way forward on fixing the category mess. Unless anyone has anything left to add in the next few days, I'll just close this discussion. - Ahunt ( talk) 20:58, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
Non-Diffusing does not apply between this category and the one on independent distributions. It’s very disturbing the amount of WP:OWN that is going on in the Linux pages on Wikipedia. One or two users seem to be under the impression their opinions give more weight to the discussion (see the discussion on Unix-like for more examples. GimliDotNet ( talk) 07:49, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Non diffusing categories should be rare and where two categories sound similar but are not really the same. You cannot use “convenience” as a reason to make it non diffusing, that’s an invalid application of WP:CAT. Independent Linux distributions is a direct child of Linux distributions and is good enough. GimliDotNet ( talk) 15:08, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
How on earth did this CFD close as delete? Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 22#Category:Independent Linux distributions GimliDotNet ( talk) 15:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
There has to be a valid reason to avoid the general WP:CAT guidelines on subcategories. At present none has been provided. Also consensus of a couple of people isn’t really that weighty and should not override general Wikipedia guidelines. GimliDotNet ( talk) 15:50, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
it makes no sense at all. GimliDotNet ( talk) 18:01, 6 March 2022 (UTC)Pages listed directly under this category describe operating systems that are based on the Linux kernel, but are not universally recognized as Linux distributions.
Template:Linux distributions is a really good breakdown. There’s no reason we can’t follow the same pattern in categorisation GimliDotNet ( talk) 20:30, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
The problem is no one contributed to the debate. Articles should be in logical categories based on defining characteristics and in a way that makes them navigable. There is no reason to not subcategorise. The template breaking down by parent distribution is fine, there’s no reason we cannot follow that pattern, and we have List of Linux Distributions for people who wish to see a large list containing all distributions. GimliDotNet ( talk) 05:23, 7 March 2022 (UTC)
I give up. I’ll go work on a project that doesn’t go against community guidance based on the concensus of two users. Good luck to you all GimliDotNet ( talk) 17:48, 7 March 2022 (UTC)