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I note it says in ProjectSnooker that an article on the IBSF World Snooker Championship (which was called the World Amateur Championship until about the mid-90s) is being sought.
I have had the results from this tournament for a while and am looking to publish them somewhere on the internet for reference as they don't seem to be anywhere else, even on the IBSF's own site. I thought about asking them or possibly sites including WWWSnooker or Global Snooker Centre but I've not asked anyone yet - too busy).
So, at the risk of looking in need of getting out more and/or getting flamed, here they (hopefully) are!
Ralph (scottripple@aol.com)
User:Koavf changed the format from "Snooker season xxxx/xxxx" to "Snooker season xxxx-xx". Unfortunetly i can't revert it. So i like to know what you're opinion is. Armbrust ( talk) 09:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Could someone have a look at Midlands University Snooker Championship and help determine if this article might be able to meet notability guidelines.-- RadioFan ( talk) 16:44, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I've created a stub article, with one source, at IBSF World Snooker Championship. It badly needs work, but at least its there. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 23:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Portal:Snooker hasn't been significantly updated since May 2009. We need to come up with a viable plan for keeping it updated at least monthly, or just MfD the whole mess as an interesting but failed experiment. Can someone adopt this as their pet project, and find one or more backup people to keep it updated if the original "adopter" goes on wikibreak for an extended time? — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 00:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
This needs an update right now from someone with their pulse on what's going on. Need at least monthly updates too. See Portal:Sports' version of this page - there is some way to get automatic news updates on a topic from WikiNews. Not sure they have a snooker category. Wouldn't hurt to look. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 00:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
I have recently created the Wikipedia article "Nigel Gilbert". Prof. Gilbert is a researcher pioneer in social simulation, relevant in several fields. However, it overlaps with your snooker player "Nigel Gilbert" (whose article was deleted previously). Considering the percentage of pages concerning one and the other in Google:
I would recommend the following procedure:
-- Samer.hc ( talk) 23:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
This random hodgepodge of articles that are sometimes in the form "YYYY Event Name" and sometimes "Event Name YYYY" has to stop. It is getting confusing and annoying even from the editing side, much less the hapless reader side. I propose that the format "YYYY Event Name" be adopted, as vastly more common among sports (and other, e.g. music) event article names across Wikipedia, and as more natural English. I also propose that "Event Name YYYY" exist as a redirect for every such article. This would necessitate the renaming of some articles (which in turn will necessitate the speedy deletion of some existing redirs so that articles can be moved, unless an admin participant of this project wants to do all the moving).
Please either support or oppose. If another format is preferred by someone, it should be in a new section, or we'll probably get confused about who is supporting what exactly. In the end I don't care all that much about the format ("Event Name (YYYY)" would be okay, too), just that we pick a consistent one before I pull any more of my hair out. :-) — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 15:14, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Yet again I've had to revert an edit that changed nationality from "Northern Irish" to "British" on the Alex Higgins article: [1]. Referring to this field as 'nationality' is a constant source of confusion for editors who are not familiar with snooker, since they confuse the term with legal citizenship. I've suggested before we simply change Nationality to Country to remove the confusion since "Country" carries no legal connotation and will make it distinct from legal nationality. Since Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England are all legally countries then there can be no dispute with using the national divisions for which the players represent. Does anyone else have strong views either for or against this suggestion? Betty Logan ( talk) 02:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
|Nationality=
will still work, but is no longer mentioned, in favor of |Sport country=
. If people don't like it they can futz with it or revert it. As far as I can tell, the only three active editors on snooker any longer are you, mean and Armbrust (who is online right now and has also been edting that template but did not seem to object to that change, so far, though he did object to something else, so he's clearly paying attention). All that said, I still think the entire thing needs to be replaced by a more standard-coded and standard-behaving infobox. —
SMcCandlish
Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ
Contribs. 06:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)The International Open Series pro-am tour, a.k.a. Pontin's International Open Series, now has a stub article. The tour was referred to in multiple articles, so I put very, very skeletal info into a page and linked to it from them. Has no sources. Some of the more active snooker editors should probably flesh it out a bit. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 07:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
My friend and I were just chatting about his recent discussion point on the Snooker commentary page... No one has yet replied, but I do think he (and Poolktis) has a point. I thought it more sage to hunt this page out and just direct more wily and discerning snooker fans to the discussion. Cheers, Stav. (PS I'm not a Wikipedian, don't know how to direct you to the page... it's called Snooker commentary and is largely defunct as it stands, without the richness that it once had.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.89.33 ( talk) 11:00, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey folks,
So there are some very long and convoluted tables at Stephen Hendry#Performance timeline and Ronnie O'Sullivan#Performance timeline which are either forcing horizontal wrap on most screen resolutions already or will in a couple of years at most. I transposed the rows and columsn in both, here and here; these were undone without summary. Considering that it is more likely (i.e. inevitable) that the tables will expand horizontally over time in the old format, I think transposing was appropriate here (and in Hendry's case a complete no-brainer). Sadly the reverting editor has vowed to edit war over it, so I've taken it here for further input. Comments? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 22:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
The problem is even worse with Steve Davis. If there's no better reason not to transpose the worst offenders than "it could hypothetically cause problems if a dozen more tournaments were added" then I'll be changing the Davis and Hendry articles next week (and probably the Gary Player one too, though that's outwith the snooker project's purview). I'll leave the O'Sullivan article as there are evidently problems both ways. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
As nobody has seen fit to reply in three months, I'm going to consider this closed in favour of the new vertical format. Right now this has a severely detrimental impact on the presentation of the most high-profile biographies in the snooker project. I would not expect to be summarily reverted. 62.56.108.155 ( talk) 16:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
There are inconsistency in the article Pro Challenge Series 2009/2010 – Event 2 : 1th is not the truth. It may be 1st or it may be 4th, 5th ... It is possible that the number is wrong, or the “th” is wrong. I do not know what of that is wrong or true. Please check it. -- Diwas ( talk) 12:37, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
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If you look at reference 4 on Ronnie O'Sullivan something is wrong with the retrieval date: Retrieved {{subst:CurrentYYYYMMDD}}. I haven't a clue how to fix it so would appreciate if someone had a look at it. Betty Logan ( talk) 22:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
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Big fun, I know. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 01:08, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
See Talk:Snooker world rankings#Anon's unsourced changes look significant. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 19:54, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if you are aware of this Help:Footnotes#List-defined_references, but it seems we can now put all the references in the reference section as opposed to the middle of the article. It seems like a good idea to me, because when you are proof-reading it's almost impossible if you have a load of references in the middle of the text. Also, some editors don't understand the code and make edits that corrupt the reference code. Here's an example of how the source code looks: [2]
Another advantage is that when you want to use a reference again in the article you either have to find its name, or find it and name it, so having all the references grouped together could make editing easier. Similarly, you can also get situations where someone removes text and an accompanying reference not realising the reference is also used elsewhere in the article, so having references defined separately to the text could offer a few practical benefits. Can anyone think of any disadvantage to this? Betty Logan ( talk) 20:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Channel Island Snooker Championship has been proposed for deletion. Would someone with the relevant topical expertise care to visit the articles for deletion discussion and make an argument for its notability, or otherwise? Thanks. - DustFormsWords ( talk) 03:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Why do the season's have 2004/2005, which is a violation of policy, and I believe needs to be changed throughout Snooker Project articles in order to be in compliance! It needs to be 2004–05 to be in compliance. BLUE DOG TN 01:34, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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Have nominated the Maria Catalano artice for AfD. Armbrust Talk Contribs 17:59, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Have nominated the Mitchell Mann artice for AfD. Armbrust Talk Contribs 21:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Have nominated the Greg Casey artice for AfD. Armbrust Talk Contribs 21:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
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This caused a bit of controversy during the world championship, and we really need some concrete guidelines that people can be referred to. My suggestion is we get as many opinions on this as possible before the new season starts and just go with the most popular preference. Betty Logan ( talk) 21:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
A reminder to all members of this project. Small interest group have no sway over wider WP policy - see WP:CONLIMITED Leaky Caldron 21:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
From the three opinions we have so far we seem to agree that the match data will not "go live" until the match is concluded. Obviously three opinions don't make a consensus, so we'll keep this discussion ongoing at least until the new season starts. Betty Logan ( talk) 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
The point of contention is should the match scores be allowed to be updated after each frame a'la a live updating service (i.e. 1-0, 2-0, 2-1 etc), or should they be left until the session or match is completed? My personal preference would be to record the result at the end of each match. The purpose of the result tables is to record the results of the match and Wikipedia is not a score update service. By recording a 2-1 score in the result box we technically make the article incorrect because that is just the score, it is not the result of the match! A link to live score updating could be provided on the article for people who wish to monitor the score in progress. I favour adding the result after the match is completed rather than the session since we don't actually record individual session scores, so recording the session score in the result box also technically makes the article incorrect since the result will have to be altered after the next session. Betty Logan ( talk) 21:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
The second source of contention was the addition of frame scores to the final box after each frame (i.e. 69-59, 147-0, 101-4). Some editors were under the impression that if we don't update the match scores until after the session the frame scores shouldn't be added until the end of the session either. I personally don't have a problem with adding frame scores after each frame is completed because the frame score will remain correct for that frame and will not have to be altered at any point during the match. That is, once the frame is completed we will be adding correct information to Wikipedia for that frame even if the match isn't completed, unlike the match scores above. Betty Logan ( talk) 21:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Anyone got ideas as to how to handle the new PTC tour consisting of 13 events (12 tournaments and a grand final)? Apparently the PTC events will carry ranking points ( [3]), but not as much as a standard event. The players infobox already caters for minor ranking events with the 'minor' field (see Joe Swail) which could be used, but since the PTC looks like becoming a major part of the sport perhaps we should add a PTC field to the snooker player infobox? Betty Logan ( talk) 02:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
We will also need to add a "PTC" column to this List of snooker players by number of ranking titles. At the moment the total includes minor events also, but the number of PTC events will outnumber the number of full ranking events so the PTC count will skew the totals too much, so my suggestion is to have two "total" columns - one that just counts full ranking events and a second column that includes them all. Betty Logan ( talk) 02:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Can someone add the 'view discussion edit' links to this bar? Christopher Connor ( talk) 20:08, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
As we know the annual rankings no longer formally exist, they will be updated throughout the season based on a 2-year rolling format. However, the end of season rankings will still determine the "main tour" i.e. who is eligible to play on the main professional circuit. Instead of having the Snooker world rankings 2010/2011 article maybe we should have a Snooker main tour 2010/2011 article, which would basically still be exactly the same article except with a different name to show who is on the tour. There is not much point calling it the Snooker world rankings because the positions will change over the season.
If we do that we would then have to create a new Snooker world rankings article (or add a ranking list to the main article) that can be updated whenever the official snooker world rankings are updated. I'm not sure there is much point in having a new article everytime the rankings are updated, I think it would be better just to keep updating the same article along with the current points of the players.
Finally there is the question of what to do with the Snooker world ranking points articles such Snooker world ranking points 2009/2010. I still think it would be a good idea to have a different list for each season so I think we can leave these articles as they are. Betty Logan ( talk) 20:10, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I've given Snooker world ranking points 2010/2011 a overhaul. Only 16 players on it so far, but no point adding the rest unless everyone is happy with the layout. I've made the format the same as the previous seasons, with the main changes to accommodate the cut-off totals and the 2008/09 points that still count. Feel free to make any suggestions or changes. Betty Logan ( talk) 17:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Many of the player articles state the current player rankings as those of the 2009/2010 season, whereas there are new rankings for the current season. Rather than saying 2009/2010 season in the infobox, it should now read 'current ranking', particularly with the new ranking system that is being introduced. Anyone agree? Samasnookerfan ( talk) 22:25, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I think we really ought to get these updated. The qualifiers for the first proper ranking event have started now and this Higgins thing looks like dragging on, so the players are currently playing with rankings we don't have recorded yet. Even if Higgins is banned he won't necessarily lose his ranking, unless he is expelled from the organisation. Since the rankings will be updated in October anyway, if there are ranking repercussions from the Higgins case we can just sort it out with the first lot of updated rankings. Any opinions on this? Betty Logan ( talk) 22:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Here are the pages for players cometing on the main tour without articles:
Just notifying other members that I have updated the needed snooker bios section by adding some of these names, as they are some of the notable players that could do with articles. Samasnookerfan ( talk) 18:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
A new stub, Power Snooker, has been added. It has ben suggested that this stub be merged to main article Snooker. Editors are invited to go to Talk:Power Snooker and leave their views in the debate.-- Kudpung ( talk) 02:56, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm thinking of revamping List of snooker tournaments since it has holes in the information it offers. My idea is to structure it as tables (separate tables for rankers, non-rankers, pro-ams so retaining the current organisation of the article. I've done a couple of examples at Talk:List of snooker tournaments#Article structure. Let me know what you think, whether you oppose it, or any recommendations etc. Betty Logan ( talk) 11:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
For players with their own website, I've added |website=
to {{
Infobox snooker player}} - see, for example,
Ronnie O'Sullivan.
Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing);
Andy's talk;
Andy's edits 16:25, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
After looking through some of the articles on top players, I feel that some of them could do with quotes (such as their response after an important win) obviously these would be referenced so was wondering is it ok to copy and paste their comments directly from well sourced articles (world snooker, BBC)? Samasnookerfan ( talk) 19:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
This discussion about categorizing the redirect "The black ball final" needs input. Armbrust Talk Contribs 10:50, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Shaun Murphy (snooker player) is undergoing GA review here Talk:Shaun Murphy (snooker player)/GA1. Any comments or improvements to the article are welcome. Christopher Connor ( talk) 01:47, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
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I note it says in ProjectSnooker that an article on the IBSF World Snooker Championship (which was called the World Amateur Championship until about the mid-90s) is being sought.
I have had the results from this tournament for a while and am looking to publish them somewhere on the internet for reference as they don't seem to be anywhere else, even on the IBSF's own site. I thought about asking them or possibly sites including WWWSnooker or Global Snooker Centre but I've not asked anyone yet - too busy).
So, at the risk of looking in need of getting out more and/or getting flamed, here they (hopefully) are!
Ralph (scottripple@aol.com)
User:Koavf changed the format from "Snooker season xxxx/xxxx" to "Snooker season xxxx-xx". Unfortunetly i can't revert it. So i like to know what you're opinion is. Armbrust ( talk) 09:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Could someone have a look at Midlands University Snooker Championship and help determine if this article might be able to meet notability guidelines.-- RadioFan ( talk) 16:44, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I've created a stub article, with one source, at IBSF World Snooker Championship. It badly needs work, but at least its there. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 23:50, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
Portal:Snooker hasn't been significantly updated since May 2009. We need to come up with a viable plan for keeping it updated at least monthly, or just MfD the whole mess as an interesting but failed experiment. Can someone adopt this as their pet project, and find one or more backup people to keep it updated if the original "adopter" goes on wikibreak for an extended time? — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 00:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
This needs an update right now from someone with their pulse on what's going on. Need at least monthly updates too. See Portal:Sports' version of this page - there is some way to get automatic news updates on a topic from WikiNews. Not sure they have a snooker category. Wouldn't hurt to look. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 00:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
I have recently created the Wikipedia article "Nigel Gilbert". Prof. Gilbert is a researcher pioneer in social simulation, relevant in several fields. However, it overlaps with your snooker player "Nigel Gilbert" (whose article was deleted previously). Considering the percentage of pages concerning one and the other in Google:
I would recommend the following procedure:
-- Samer.hc ( talk) 23:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
This random hodgepodge of articles that are sometimes in the form "YYYY Event Name" and sometimes "Event Name YYYY" has to stop. It is getting confusing and annoying even from the editing side, much less the hapless reader side. I propose that the format "YYYY Event Name" be adopted, as vastly more common among sports (and other, e.g. music) event article names across Wikipedia, and as more natural English. I also propose that "Event Name YYYY" exist as a redirect for every such article. This would necessitate the renaming of some articles (which in turn will necessitate the speedy deletion of some existing redirs so that articles can be moved, unless an admin participant of this project wants to do all the moving).
Please either support or oppose. If another format is preferred by someone, it should be in a new section, or we'll probably get confused about who is supporting what exactly. In the end I don't care all that much about the format ("Event Name (YYYY)" would be okay, too), just that we pick a consistent one before I pull any more of my hair out. :-) — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 15:14, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
Yet again I've had to revert an edit that changed nationality from "Northern Irish" to "British" on the Alex Higgins article: [1]. Referring to this field as 'nationality' is a constant source of confusion for editors who are not familiar with snooker, since they confuse the term with legal citizenship. I've suggested before we simply change Nationality to Country to remove the confusion since "Country" carries no legal connotation and will make it distinct from legal nationality. Since Northern Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England are all legally countries then there can be no dispute with using the national divisions for which the players represent. Does anyone else have strong views either for or against this suggestion? Betty Logan ( talk) 02:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
|Nationality=
will still work, but is no longer mentioned, in favor of |Sport country=
. If people don't like it they can futz with it or revert it. As far as I can tell, the only three active editors on snooker any longer are you, mean and Armbrust (who is online right now and has also been edting that template but did not seem to object to that change, so far, though he did object to something else, so he's clearly paying attention). All that said, I still think the entire thing needs to be replaced by a more standard-coded and standard-behaving infobox. —
SMcCandlish
Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ
Contribs. 06:01, 17 January 2010 (UTC)The International Open Series pro-am tour, a.k.a. Pontin's International Open Series, now has a stub article. The tour was referred to in multiple articles, so I put very, very skeletal info into a page and linked to it from them. Has no sources. Some of the more active snooker editors should probably flesh it out a bit. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 07:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
My friend and I were just chatting about his recent discussion point on the Snooker commentary page... No one has yet replied, but I do think he (and Poolktis) has a point. I thought it more sage to hunt this page out and just direct more wily and discerning snooker fans to the discussion. Cheers, Stav. (PS I'm not a Wikipedian, don't know how to direct you to the page... it's called Snooker commentary and is largely defunct as it stands, without the richness that it once had.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.89.33 ( talk) 11:00, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
Hey folks,
So there are some very long and convoluted tables at Stephen Hendry#Performance timeline and Ronnie O'Sullivan#Performance timeline which are either forcing horizontal wrap on most screen resolutions already or will in a couple of years at most. I transposed the rows and columsn in both, here and here; these were undone without summary. Considering that it is more likely (i.e. inevitable) that the tables will expand horizontally over time in the old format, I think transposing was appropriate here (and in Hendry's case a complete no-brainer). Sadly the reverting editor has vowed to edit war over it, so I've taken it here for further input. Comments? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 22:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
The problem is even worse with Steve Davis. If there's no better reason not to transpose the worst offenders than "it could hypothetically cause problems if a dozen more tournaments were added" then I'll be changing the Davis and Hendry articles next week (and probably the Gary Player one too, though that's outwith the snooker project's purview). I'll leave the O'Sullivan article as there are evidently problems both ways. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 13:00, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
As nobody has seen fit to reply in three months, I'm going to consider this closed in favour of the new vertical format. Right now this has a severely detrimental impact on the presentation of the most high-profile biographies in the snooker project. I would not expect to be summarily reverted. 62.56.108.155 ( talk) 16:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
There are inconsistency in the article Pro Challenge Series 2009/2010 – Event 2 : 1th is not the truth. It may be 1st or it may be 4th, 5th ... It is possible that the number is wrong, or the “th” is wrong. I do not know what of that is wrong or true. Please check it. -- Diwas ( talk) 12:37, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
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If you look at reference 4 on Ronnie O'Sullivan something is wrong with the retrieval date: Retrieved {{subst:CurrentYYYYMMDD}}. I haven't a clue how to fix it so would appreciate if someone had a look at it. Betty Logan ( talk) 22:12, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
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Big fun, I know. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 01:08, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
See Talk:Snooker world rankings#Anon's unsourced changes look significant. — SMcCandlish Talk⇒ ʕ(Õلō)ˀ Contribs. 19:54, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if you are aware of this Help:Footnotes#List-defined_references, but it seems we can now put all the references in the reference section as opposed to the middle of the article. It seems like a good idea to me, because when you are proof-reading it's almost impossible if you have a load of references in the middle of the text. Also, some editors don't understand the code and make edits that corrupt the reference code. Here's an example of how the source code looks: [2]
Another advantage is that when you want to use a reference again in the article you either have to find its name, or find it and name it, so having all the references grouped together could make editing easier. Similarly, you can also get situations where someone removes text and an accompanying reference not realising the reference is also used elsewhere in the article, so having references defined separately to the text could offer a few practical benefits. Can anyone think of any disadvantage to this? Betty Logan ( talk) 20:45, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
Channel Island Snooker Championship has been proposed for deletion. Would someone with the relevant topical expertise care to visit the articles for deletion discussion and make an argument for its notability, or otherwise? Thanks. - DustFormsWords ( talk) 03:57, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Why do the season's have 2004/2005, which is a violation of policy, and I believe needs to be changed throughout Snooker Project articles in order to be in compliance! It needs to be 2004–05 to be in compliance. BLUE DOG TN 01:34, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
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Have nominated the Maria Catalano artice for AfD. Armbrust Talk Contribs 17:59, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Have nominated the Mitchell Mann artice for AfD. Armbrust Talk Contribs 21:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
Have nominated the Greg Casey artice for AfD. Armbrust Talk Contribs 21:35, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
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This caused a bit of controversy during the world championship, and we really need some concrete guidelines that people can be referred to. My suggestion is we get as many opinions on this as possible before the new season starts and just go with the most popular preference. Betty Logan ( talk) 21:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
A reminder to all members of this project. Small interest group have no sway over wider WP policy - see WP:CONLIMITED Leaky Caldron 21:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
From the three opinions we have so far we seem to agree that the match data will not "go live" until the match is concluded. Obviously three opinions don't make a consensus, so we'll keep this discussion ongoing at least until the new season starts. Betty Logan ( talk) 05:25, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
The point of contention is should the match scores be allowed to be updated after each frame a'la a live updating service (i.e. 1-0, 2-0, 2-1 etc), or should they be left until the session or match is completed? My personal preference would be to record the result at the end of each match. The purpose of the result tables is to record the results of the match and Wikipedia is not a score update service. By recording a 2-1 score in the result box we technically make the article incorrect because that is just the score, it is not the result of the match! A link to live score updating could be provided on the article for people who wish to monitor the score in progress. I favour adding the result after the match is completed rather than the session since we don't actually record individual session scores, so recording the session score in the result box also technically makes the article incorrect since the result will have to be altered after the next session. Betty Logan ( talk) 21:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
The second source of contention was the addition of frame scores to the final box after each frame (i.e. 69-59, 147-0, 101-4). Some editors were under the impression that if we don't update the match scores until after the session the frame scores shouldn't be added until the end of the session either. I personally don't have a problem with adding frame scores after each frame is completed because the frame score will remain correct for that frame and will not have to be altered at any point during the match. That is, once the frame is completed we will be adding correct information to Wikipedia for that frame even if the match isn't completed, unlike the match scores above. Betty Logan ( talk) 21:18, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
Anyone got ideas as to how to handle the new PTC tour consisting of 13 events (12 tournaments and a grand final)? Apparently the PTC events will carry ranking points ( [3]), but not as much as a standard event. The players infobox already caters for minor ranking events with the 'minor' field (see Joe Swail) which could be used, but since the PTC looks like becoming a major part of the sport perhaps we should add a PTC field to the snooker player infobox? Betty Logan ( talk) 02:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
We will also need to add a "PTC" column to this List of snooker players by number of ranking titles. At the moment the total includes minor events also, but the number of PTC events will outnumber the number of full ranking events so the PTC count will skew the totals too much, so my suggestion is to have two "total" columns - one that just counts full ranking events and a second column that includes them all. Betty Logan ( talk) 02:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Can someone add the 'view discussion edit' links to this bar? Christopher Connor ( talk) 20:08, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
As we know the annual rankings no longer formally exist, they will be updated throughout the season based on a 2-year rolling format. However, the end of season rankings will still determine the "main tour" i.e. who is eligible to play on the main professional circuit. Instead of having the Snooker world rankings 2010/2011 article maybe we should have a Snooker main tour 2010/2011 article, which would basically still be exactly the same article except with a different name to show who is on the tour. There is not much point calling it the Snooker world rankings because the positions will change over the season.
If we do that we would then have to create a new Snooker world rankings article (or add a ranking list to the main article) that can be updated whenever the official snooker world rankings are updated. I'm not sure there is much point in having a new article everytime the rankings are updated, I think it would be better just to keep updating the same article along with the current points of the players.
Finally there is the question of what to do with the Snooker world ranking points articles such Snooker world ranking points 2009/2010. I still think it would be a good idea to have a different list for each season so I think we can leave these articles as they are. Betty Logan ( talk) 20:10, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I've given Snooker world ranking points 2010/2011 a overhaul. Only 16 players on it so far, but no point adding the rest unless everyone is happy with the layout. I've made the format the same as the previous seasons, with the main changes to accommodate the cut-off totals and the 2008/09 points that still count. Feel free to make any suggestions or changes. Betty Logan ( talk) 17:54, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Many of the player articles state the current player rankings as those of the 2009/2010 season, whereas there are new rankings for the current season. Rather than saying 2009/2010 season in the infobox, it should now read 'current ranking', particularly with the new ranking system that is being introduced. Anyone agree? Samasnookerfan ( talk) 22:25, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I think we really ought to get these updated. The qualifiers for the first proper ranking event have started now and this Higgins thing looks like dragging on, so the players are currently playing with rankings we don't have recorded yet. Even if Higgins is banned he won't necessarily lose his ranking, unless he is expelled from the organisation. Since the rankings will be updated in October anyway, if there are ranking repercussions from the Higgins case we can just sort it out with the first lot of updated rankings. Any opinions on this? Betty Logan ( talk) 22:59, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Here are the pages for players cometing on the main tour without articles:
Just notifying other members that I have updated the needed snooker bios section by adding some of these names, as they are some of the notable players that could do with articles. Samasnookerfan ( talk) 18:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
A new stub, Power Snooker, has been added. It has ben suggested that this stub be merged to main article Snooker. Editors are invited to go to Talk:Power Snooker and leave their views in the debate.-- Kudpung ( talk) 02:56, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm thinking of revamping List of snooker tournaments since it has holes in the information it offers. My idea is to structure it as tables (separate tables for rankers, non-rankers, pro-ams so retaining the current organisation of the article. I've done a couple of examples at Talk:List of snooker tournaments#Article structure. Let me know what you think, whether you oppose it, or any recommendations etc. Betty Logan ( talk) 11:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
For players with their own website, I've added |website=
to {{
Infobox snooker player}} - see, for example,
Ronnie O'Sullivan.
Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing);
Andy's talk;
Andy's edits 16:25, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
After looking through some of the articles on top players, I feel that some of them could do with quotes (such as their response after an important win) obviously these would be referenced so was wondering is it ok to copy and paste their comments directly from well sourced articles (world snooker, BBC)? Samasnookerfan ( talk) 19:38, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
This discussion about categorizing the redirect "The black ball final" needs input. Armbrust Talk Contribs 10:50, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Shaun Murphy (snooker player) is undergoing GA review here Talk:Shaun Murphy (snooker player)/GA1. Any comments or improvements to the article are welcome. Christopher Connor ( talk) 01:47, 26 August 2010 (UTC)