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This is currently listed in the pro-am section. I think maybe we should list it under the ranking tournaments section since it offers ranking points. It is essentially a ranking event with an amateur leg - the world championship also has an amateur leg before the professionals come in. Similarly with the Chinese Open they have a wildcard round to allow some Chinese amateurs to compete. Finally, it is being staged by the WSA - the professional body of snooker, so overall that qualifies it is an event being staged by the professional body. I think first and foremost it is ranking event with an amateur leg rather than a traditional pro-am where all professionals and amateurs start out in the initial line-up. Betty Logan ( talk) 23:11, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm wondering if we should restructure this as a table, because at the moment when an event becomes a ranking event we lose the information about its invitational format (see the World Championship pre 1974, UK pre 1984, Irish Masters etc). Betty Logan ( talk) 22:22, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Ranking tournaments are ordered chronologically by when they attained ranking status, the rest by age. Dates are presented as seasons from 1976 when the world rankings were introduced and defining the snooker season. I split the World Matchplay years into rows since the dates represent three different versions of the tournament, rather than just a chronology of it. The tables are complete so feel free to look over them and make any necessary alterations. They're ready to go into the article now, but I will leave that until tomorrow so they can be checked over.
Looks good, will say one thing, are you going to use the existing headings of Withdrawn tournaments etc or not. Cause if not the distinction needs to be made clear on the table Withdrawn Professional tournaments Also Power Snooker should be various locations or London, China Germany Singapore etc when it is confirmed. So at the mo for Power snooker it should have London there for now KnowIG ( talk) 14:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
We're missing the Championship league from the list, which is a rather major non ranking tournament purely for the amount of money and players involved and the fact that it takes up a lot of time in the second half of the season, hence why it seams top heavy with events at the momement. KnowIG ( talk) 14:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Is everyone ok with this now? If there are no objections I will transfer the tables to the article after lunch. If you want to make any changes then feel free to edit the tables, it will be better to sort it out now. Betty Logan ( talk) 10:05, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
I see the snooker variants (Power Snooker/6 red) have been removed from the article. While I agree they don't belong in the standard format sections since they don't follow the traditional rules, do you think we should add a section to the bottom for variant formats? Some of them could end up being a prominent feature of the calender so we need to have a list of them somewhere. Betty Logan ( talk) 12:06, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Should we consider changing the format of the Paul Hunter Classic and World Series from "Pro-Am" to "Invitational"? After all, they never had open entry like the English Open where any amateur could enter; they were basically invitationals for professional players that allowed in a couple of local wildcards. There are many tournaments that have this format now, especially in China like the Wuxi Classic and the Hainan Classic, so some of the format labels are inconsistent. Betty Logan ( talk) 09:03, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
The Prem. League from next season will be played under variant rules (ball in hand, three miss cap) so I moved it to the "Variant" section. I though about creating two entries, but decided against that since the new version will no doubt continue under the present Premier League article, so I didn't really want two separate entries linking to just one article, even though technically it is two different tournaments now. I've tried to create distinction between the professional rules and the new format, but if it's still not clear feel free to add further clarification. Might be worth adding a note to explain the new format. Betty Logan ( talk) 16:30, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking of re-ordering this list alphabetically. The current section is ordered by calendar order, while the withdrawn section is ordered by the age of the event. Neither of these are intuitive orderings for readers unfamiliar with the sport, whereas alphabetic order would make it easier for everyone to find an event without having to work their way down each list. Any objections? Any thoughts? Betty Logan ( talk) 14:47, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
There are two Six-red World championships, the regular event sponsored by Sangsom which resides at Six-red World Championship and a one-off event sponsored by 888.com which resides at 888sport.com Six-red World Championship. These are two completely different tournaments with no connection to each other. Both have entries in the table, one at List_of_snooker_tournaments#Alternative_forms_of_snooker and the other at List_of_snooker_tournaments#Alternative_forms_of_snooker_2. The regular Sangsom event is identified simply as the Six-red World championship in the table while the 888.com event is identified as the 888.com Six-red World championship in the table to distinguish it from the Sangsom event. While it may be the case that tournaments are not generally identified by the sponsor it is important that the two tournaments are distinguishable from each other i.e. it is confusing to have two different entries both called the Six-red World Championship. In view of that including the sponsor's name for the one-off event adds clarity. Betty Logan ( talk) 07:48, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
To help aid understanding of this dispute I will try to outline the nature of the problem as neutrally as possible. In 2008 a new format was introduced called "Six-red snooker" along with a tournament called the "Six-red International", sponsored by Sangsom and held in Thailand. The following year (2009) Sangsom staged the event again but changed its name to "Six-red World Grand Prix". Also in 2009, another Six-red event was staged and called the "Six-red World Championship". This was sponsored by 888sport.com and held in Ireland and had nothing to do with the Sangsom event. They were completely independent events. At this time we had two tournament articles, the one for the Sangsom/Thailand event at Six-red World Grand Prix and the 888sport.com/Ireland at Six-red World Championship. The 888sport.com event was only held the once and was subsequently dropped. Meanwhile, the Sangsom/Thailand event was held again in 2010 and changed its name for a third time to Six-red World Championship. The article was renamed to Sangsom Six-red World Championship. This is where things became complicated. When the Sangsom/Thailand event was held again in 2011 we renamed that to Six-red World Championship and the one-off 888sport.com/Ireland event to 888sport.com Six-red World Championship (since the regular event was considered the primary topic). Ultimately, since the 888sport.com/Ireland event was held only once we felt it was unnecessary to have an umbrella article at Talk:888sport.com_Six-red_World_Championship, so that article was redirected to the article for the single event at 2009 Six-red World Championship (the 2009 Sangsom/Thailand event remained at 2009 Six-red World Grand Prix under the older tournament name). That is pretty much how it remains to this day.
This article lists each and every tournament that we have an article about, with each tournament having its own entry. In the case where an event is simply rebranded through a sponsor change etc the events are kept together i.e. all the events listed under a tournament entry are part of the same lineage. Since the two Six-red tournaments were separate events with an independent linage they have two separate entries, the Sangsom/Thailand event at List_of_snooker_tournaments#Alternative_forms_of_snooker (identified as the "Six-red World Championship") and the 888sport.com/Ireland event at List_of_snooker_tournaments#Alternative_forms_of_snooker_2 (identified as the "888sport.com Six-red World Championship"). While sponsor names are generally not included, the 888sport.com branding is included here to distinguish it from the Sangsom event.
The above discussion debates whether we need to have two separate entries, and if so do we need the sponsor's name to distinguish between them. Betty Logan ( talk) 11:09, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
A request for a third opinion has been made. If you are providing a third opinion please feel free to add the opinion to this section. Sport and politics ( talk) 10:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
3O Response: Hi
Sport and politics &
Betty Logan, I am responding to the request for a
WP:third opinion; though I do note that
SMcCandlish has already provided an opinion above, which may obviate the
WP:3O process.
Having reviewed the discussion above, it appears that the disagreement is over whether to include the 888sport.com Six-red tournament as a separate entry or to include it with the main Six-red tournament entry; and if separate, how to disambiguate the two. Please let me know if this is an incorrect understanding.
On the basis that these two tournaments are separate, unrelated, entities, my opinion is that they should be included separately. I am also comfortable with the 888sport competition including the sponsor name to facilitate disambiguation / differentiation; even where no other entry includes the sponsor name.
This opinion, therefore, largely aligns with that of SMcCandlish, directly above.
I hope this is of some small help. Please let me know if you have any questions. -
Ryk72
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This is currently listed in the pro-am section. I think maybe we should list it under the ranking tournaments section since it offers ranking points. It is essentially a ranking event with an amateur leg - the world championship also has an amateur leg before the professionals come in. Similarly with the Chinese Open they have a wildcard round to allow some Chinese amateurs to compete. Finally, it is being staged by the WSA - the professional body of snooker, so overall that qualifies it is an event being staged by the professional body. I think first and foremost it is ranking event with an amateur leg rather than a traditional pro-am where all professionals and amateurs start out in the initial line-up. Betty Logan ( talk) 23:11, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm wondering if we should restructure this as a table, because at the moment when an event becomes a ranking event we lose the information about its invitational format (see the World Championship pre 1974, UK pre 1984, Irish Masters etc). Betty Logan ( talk) 22:22, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Ranking tournaments are ordered chronologically by when they attained ranking status, the rest by age. Dates are presented as seasons from 1976 when the world rankings were introduced and defining the snooker season. I split the World Matchplay years into rows since the dates represent three different versions of the tournament, rather than just a chronology of it. The tables are complete so feel free to look over them and make any necessary alterations. They're ready to go into the article now, but I will leave that until tomorrow so they can be checked over.
Looks good, will say one thing, are you going to use the existing headings of Withdrawn tournaments etc or not. Cause if not the distinction needs to be made clear on the table Withdrawn Professional tournaments Also Power Snooker should be various locations or London, China Germany Singapore etc when it is confirmed. So at the mo for Power snooker it should have London there for now KnowIG ( talk) 14:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
We're missing the Championship league from the list, which is a rather major non ranking tournament purely for the amount of money and players involved and the fact that it takes up a lot of time in the second half of the season, hence why it seams top heavy with events at the momement. KnowIG ( talk) 14:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Is everyone ok with this now? If there are no objections I will transfer the tables to the article after lunch. If you want to make any changes then feel free to edit the tables, it will be better to sort it out now. Betty Logan ( talk) 10:05, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
I see the snooker variants (Power Snooker/6 red) have been removed from the article. While I agree they don't belong in the standard format sections since they don't follow the traditional rules, do you think we should add a section to the bottom for variant formats? Some of them could end up being a prominent feature of the calender so we need to have a list of them somewhere. Betty Logan ( talk) 12:06, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Should we consider changing the format of the Paul Hunter Classic and World Series from "Pro-Am" to "Invitational"? After all, they never had open entry like the English Open where any amateur could enter; they were basically invitationals for professional players that allowed in a couple of local wildcards. There are many tournaments that have this format now, especially in China like the Wuxi Classic and the Hainan Classic, so some of the format labels are inconsistent. Betty Logan ( talk) 09:03, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
The Prem. League from next season will be played under variant rules (ball in hand, three miss cap) so I moved it to the "Variant" section. I though about creating two entries, but decided against that since the new version will no doubt continue under the present Premier League article, so I didn't really want two separate entries linking to just one article, even though technically it is two different tournaments now. I've tried to create distinction between the professional rules and the new format, but if it's still not clear feel free to add further clarification. Might be worth adding a note to explain the new format. Betty Logan ( talk) 16:30, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I was thinking of re-ordering this list alphabetically. The current section is ordered by calendar order, while the withdrawn section is ordered by the age of the event. Neither of these are intuitive orderings for readers unfamiliar with the sport, whereas alphabetic order would make it easier for everyone to find an event without having to work their way down each list. Any objections? Any thoughts? Betty Logan ( talk) 14:47, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
There are two Six-red World championships, the regular event sponsored by Sangsom which resides at Six-red World Championship and a one-off event sponsored by 888.com which resides at 888sport.com Six-red World Championship. These are two completely different tournaments with no connection to each other. Both have entries in the table, one at List_of_snooker_tournaments#Alternative_forms_of_snooker and the other at List_of_snooker_tournaments#Alternative_forms_of_snooker_2. The regular Sangsom event is identified simply as the Six-red World championship in the table while the 888.com event is identified as the 888.com Six-red World championship in the table to distinguish it from the Sangsom event. While it may be the case that tournaments are not generally identified by the sponsor it is important that the two tournaments are distinguishable from each other i.e. it is confusing to have two different entries both called the Six-red World Championship. In view of that including the sponsor's name for the one-off event adds clarity. Betty Logan ( talk) 07:48, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
To help aid understanding of this dispute I will try to outline the nature of the problem as neutrally as possible. In 2008 a new format was introduced called "Six-red snooker" along with a tournament called the "Six-red International", sponsored by Sangsom and held in Thailand. The following year (2009) Sangsom staged the event again but changed its name to "Six-red World Grand Prix". Also in 2009, another Six-red event was staged and called the "Six-red World Championship". This was sponsored by 888sport.com and held in Ireland and had nothing to do with the Sangsom event. They were completely independent events. At this time we had two tournament articles, the one for the Sangsom/Thailand event at Six-red World Grand Prix and the 888sport.com/Ireland at Six-red World Championship. The 888sport.com event was only held the once and was subsequently dropped. Meanwhile, the Sangsom/Thailand event was held again in 2010 and changed its name for a third time to Six-red World Championship. The article was renamed to Sangsom Six-red World Championship. This is where things became complicated. When the Sangsom/Thailand event was held again in 2011 we renamed that to Six-red World Championship and the one-off 888sport.com/Ireland event to 888sport.com Six-red World Championship (since the regular event was considered the primary topic). Ultimately, since the 888sport.com/Ireland event was held only once we felt it was unnecessary to have an umbrella article at Talk:888sport.com_Six-red_World_Championship, so that article was redirected to the article for the single event at 2009 Six-red World Championship (the 2009 Sangsom/Thailand event remained at 2009 Six-red World Grand Prix under the older tournament name). That is pretty much how it remains to this day.
This article lists each and every tournament that we have an article about, with each tournament having its own entry. In the case where an event is simply rebranded through a sponsor change etc the events are kept together i.e. all the events listed under a tournament entry are part of the same lineage. Since the two Six-red tournaments were separate events with an independent linage they have two separate entries, the Sangsom/Thailand event at List_of_snooker_tournaments#Alternative_forms_of_snooker (identified as the "Six-red World Championship") and the 888sport.com/Ireland event at List_of_snooker_tournaments#Alternative_forms_of_snooker_2 (identified as the "888sport.com Six-red World Championship"). While sponsor names are generally not included, the 888sport.com branding is included here to distinguish it from the Sangsom event.
The above discussion debates whether we need to have two separate entries, and if so do we need the sponsor's name to distinguish between them. Betty Logan ( talk) 11:09, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
A request for a third opinion has been made. If you are providing a third opinion please feel free to add the opinion to this section. Sport and politics ( talk) 10:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
3O Response: Hi
Sport and politics &
Betty Logan, I am responding to the request for a
WP:third opinion; though I do note that
SMcCandlish has already provided an opinion above, which may obviate the
WP:3O process.
Having reviewed the discussion above, it appears that the disagreement is over whether to include the 888sport.com Six-red tournament as a separate entry or to include it with the main Six-red tournament entry; and if separate, how to disambiguate the two. Please let me know if this is an incorrect understanding.
On the basis that these two tournaments are separate, unrelated, entities, my opinion is that they should be included separately. I am also comfortable with the 888sport competition including the sponsor name to facilitate disambiguation / differentiation; even where no other entry includes the sponsor name.
This opinion, therefore, largely aligns with that of SMcCandlish, directly above.
I hope this is of some small help. Please let me know if you have any questions. -
Ryk72
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