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The infobox at the top of the project page it states that:
Critique (Featured Article): None current - "8 achieved"
Is there a list of those anywhere? Grey Shadow 05:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if this has already been posted but a few users are trying to propose a set of notability guidelines for books. Comments by users involved in the novels project would be very welcome. Pascal.Tesson 05:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Regarding this new addition to the WikiProjectNovels banner ... how can this be achieved while maintaining NPOV? For example, as a fan of the genre I consider Meet the Tiger far more notable than "fill in the blank" which I might consider overrated and not all that important. While someone might say "fill in the blank" deserves to the rated higher than Meet the Tiger because they might consider it an unimportant work... I'm a little puzzled. 23skidoo 23:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I suggest that we create articles for all the characters for the book just like The Da Vinci Code -- SGCommand ( talk • contribs) 10:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Having recently been envolved with work on these as categories, I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on add these to our Project Scope. That is not all Book series, not Fictional series as there is a WikiProject for that; just novels series. Persnoally I think it makes sense for us to work on these articles and subject areas. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 12:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Of course it does, those are just heirarchial categories... which I tagged last night with the project by the way! <g> // Fra nkB 20:26, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
(forgive me for 'adapting this' from the Harry peoples talk message... RL is demanding attention!) This fellow (rather mature middle aged) fan of Harry has been buried in another favorite series, and it was suggested that I resurect the Wikipedia:WikiProject Fictional series project as one means of developing standards. My 1632 series articles have potentially far more characters, places, and historical matters (it's an alternate history set back in the 1630's, which makes it another sort parallel universe like Harry's and Honorverse (not to mention most speculative fiction genre that become series), another series I contribute some.) than Harry Potter books, assuming she stops after seven novels.
I'm just getting started on 'blowing off the dust' on the Project page, so can use some help, and I'm sure as mature as this project looks, you will have some interesting input and experience on how to juggle, arrange, and format the myriad details that go into a deeply developed complex milieu such as these have become.
1632 series has some unique issues in that it is currently about 75:25 short fiction to Novels, but that will change rapidly as it is also a collaborative fiction experiment that involves literally dozens of authors, most of whom have been active participants helping the principle author and editor define the canon for the series... essentially research and development in matters historical and technical, as the works are making a serious attempt to keep realistic assumptions given the series premises—a small town of about 3,000 souls, Grantville, WV finds itself confronted with the religion based Thirty Year's War, Machievellian politics, and large armies. At the moment, five hardcover book releases are planned to my knowledge in the coming year—which is saying a lot at at least 400pp per book.
To add insult to injury, the works (by design) aren't published in the order of any particular timeline outside the 'main storyline threads', of which there are five... so this makes it like five sub-series, but one's in which the short fiction anthologies are canonical, a very unusual feature in a shared universe setting. But that's part of the great scope of the milieu, which is fascinating if you are at all interested in history and how the modern world came about—the effect of all that research and pre-planning via the internet. (It's not too great a stretch to think of it as a wikiproject, save the issues are the talk forums, and the article outputs are generated by individual or teams of writers working their own sub-projects.)
Enough of my problem, what I need is help defining standards from others involved in similar wikipedia tasks like yourselves (WikiProject Novels in general) for such a mixed series. So watchlist the talk page, and WP:WFs, sign on, and integrate your project cats, templates, etc. into Category:WikiProject Fictional series, list your Project on the see also there, along with it's cats (Being a project cat, the navigation from project to project is for us editors to use, not the general public, so WP:Btw!) so other fiction related editors can find your stuff, secrets, and vice versa.
I'd also like to point out an oxymoron of sorts. The WPP:Books is parent to all these heirarchially lower projects (Novels, series, etc.), yet has the smallest membership list of the lot. Makes no sense! Please sign up and ditto WPP:Novels, and WPP:series for news and contributions. Best regards to all! // Fra nkB 20:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I need to add here, that I've done some organization stuff like the new shortcuts WPP:Books, WPP:Novels, WPP:series, and WP:WFs, and cross-linked some of the pertinent cats. Redirects (like those just listed) will show as '-' pipesorted (dash), Main daughters as space, templates under '!', though I haven't back tracked to verify consistancy yet, but it helps keep things straight. Technically, that sort of standard ought to be imposed from the WikiProject Books project and be consistant downwards. (As Pegship knows, I've been spending a lot of non-fiction edit time in the interwiki Wikimedia Commons and cross-project category organization and equalization, so these 'sort tokens' are fairly debugged, though a different 'system of symbols' is worth discussing... it just sort of happened over the last six weeks on the commons. Gotta run! // Fra nkB 20:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't really oppose having these kind of templates on talk pages, they can be kinda useful, but using it to tell everyone what should be done about other articles is way too much, IMHO. If I go to a talk page, I don't want to be told that there's some other article that needs editing, and this really feels like spam for this WikiProject to me. So please, could this be removed from the template? -- Conti| ✉ 15:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I would first like to thank you guys for the pattern templates. I had been working on a group of articles with little idea of how to structure them, or what to include, but they make a huge difference. I was just wondering if anyone could point me to some good examples of articles using the article or character pattern templates? I would like to see how other people have used them, so that I can continue to improve my articles. Elric of Grans 05:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Came across an article on a book that had an info box for the movie-- what to do? The Postman plange 02:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Can someone from the project help to bring this book into the Novels project? Specifically add talk page templates, and clean up the section headers and ordering so it is standard. I've done some work on the article, and it is a very important book one of the most widely read in the world. Thanks. -- Stbalbach 14:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
What do people think of starting a Wikipedia:Collaboration of the Week or Month for Novels. Would anybody be interested. For more information on the notionc try looking at Wikipedia:Collaborations and look around other projects. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 10:20, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Bringing this forward, as this is an ongoing polling for support - we are maybe just about close to the point where there are a few interested people who can work on this notion. Bear in mind you won't "have" to have read the book to contribute. However a unbiased, WP:NOR perspective is also very important here. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 13:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I have a question on the difference between a list of characters and an article on characters. I am planning on making a page on the characters from the Boogiepop series (as per WP:FICT), and am considering using the format they have on the Japanese article ( Characters of Boogiepop series). Should my article be considered a list ('List of characters in the Boogiepop series') or and article ('Boogiepop series characters') if I go with that format? Some of the more significant characters will likely get more text than the Japanese article does, but they will mostly be short one or two line descriptions. Elric of Grans 01:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about all the questions recently. I am not sure where to direct these two questions, but they indirectly relate to articles within this WikiProject, so hopefully this is the right place. Firstly, article assessment snuck up on me from nowhere a while back, and I do not really know how they work (beyond their descriptions of what they mean). I understand the process for GA/FA, but what about the others? Can anyone assess an article as Stub/Start (and possibly B-Class), or can only specified people do this? If the latter, how does that work? This could probably be answered by a wikilink, but searching has not helped. Secondly, I have had an article on Peer Review for a week without comment: is there something that can be done in a case like this, or do I just give up on PR and skip to nomination for GA to find out what is wrong with it? Elric of Grans 02:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Just ran across the shortest stub I think I've ever seen! I just finished reading it and so thought I'd see if it had an article... Got to run to bed, but will work on expanding this poor thing... - plange 04:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Just ran across this. Wikipedia talk:Spoiler warning/RfC Grey Shadow 14:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I have been working on the Agatha Christie novels, and there is no harmonisation in approach with regard to spoilers. In some cases, the basic spoiler tag is used when all that is given in the Plot Summary is a very basic bare bones account of the start of the novel, much as one might read in the blurb on the back of the book ( Destination Unknown). In other cases, spoilers include the full solution to the mystery ( Ordeal by Innocence) or a "teaser" summary highlighting the principal clues ( Death in the Clouds). As a user, I feel that a Plot Summary should summarise to the end of the plot, but personally I have tended to keep the articles much as they are with regard to the degree of spoiling in each case. I would appreciate the input of other project members on whether there is a pragmatic or even a principled basis for proceeding. -- Sordel 19:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
These templates seem to be of use for us. Not sure where to list them. Grey Shadow 23:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
What to type | What it makes | Where it goes |
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isfdb name | id=Arthur_C._Clarke | name=Arthur C. Clarke }} Talk |
Arthur C. Clarke at the Internet Speculative Fiction Database |
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isfdb series | id=The_Stainless_Steel_Rat | title=The Stainless Steel Rat}} Talk |
The Stainless Steel Rat series listing at the Internet Speculative Fiction Database |
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isfdb title | id=2485 | title=2001: A Space Odyssey}} Talk |
2001: A Space Odyssey title listing at the Internet Speculative Fiction Database |
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iblist name | id=2 | name=Arthur C. Clarke}} Talk |
Arthur C. Clarke at the Internet Book List |
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iblist series | id=69 | title=The Stainless Steel Rat}} Talk |
The Stainless Steel Rat at the Internet Book List |
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iblist title | id=2 | title=2001: A Space Odyssey}} Talk |
2001: A Space Odyssey at the Internet Book List |
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ibdof name | id=10| name=Arthur C. Clarke}} Talk |
Arthur C. Clarke at the Internet Book Database of Fiction |
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ibdof series | id=46 | title=The Stainless Steel Rat}} Talk |
The Stainless Steel Rat series listing at The Internet Book Database of Fiction |
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2001: A Space Odyssey publication history at The Internet Book Database of Fiction |
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I know this has come up before, but I keep coming across articles where people have used the info from later editions in the infobox and havn't denoted it as such; just wanted to remind people to do this or look up the first edition info. -- Gizzakk 18:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Middle-earth is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 17:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Two more field have been proposed on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Books#Two new fields to infobox which warrent everyone's attention. Please get over there and place you views. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 09:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
The Giver is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 22:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Thunderball is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 22:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
Just FYI I've created a new category, Category:Unpublished novels as there are some articles out there based on unpublished manuscripts. So far there are only 3 listed, but I'm sure there are more. 23skidoo 21:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I am a new user to Wikipedia and this project and I have a question as to the proper etiquette for work in progress. If I am using the template provided by the project and I do not have time to complete the entire work in one sitting is it considered proper form to post the entire template with the missing information visible, to post only the completed parts with some kind of notice, or to work on the entire project offline and then post it in one sitting? Hopefully this is the correct place to post this question. -- Ulysses411 01:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Kevinalewis has reviewed three of the articles I worked on (mostly anonymously) about Henry James novels: The Ambassadors, What Maisie Knew, and Washington Square (novel). He gave each article a B on quality, which is fine with me because almost no articles are rated higher, and over 85% of articles are rated lower. But I can't figure out how The Ambassadors gets only a mid-importance rating while the other two articles get high-importance. James himself would beg to differ. Casey Abell 16:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
As have many before me, I've also been wondering about the importance rating. I've been trying to come up with a proposal for some guidelines, which I have placed at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Novels/Assessment. I also believe that it is of the utmost importance that we agree upon the articles labelled as Top-important. These articles are the first to undergo improvement under the WP 1.0 project, and should be well-balanced. As it is now, they feature many Charles Dickens novels, whereas novels by other important authors like Ernest Hemingway are absent. I think this is a too important issue for one person to decide, and I've put up a page where participants can give their opinion about which articles should be Top-rated and which should not. Look here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Assessment/Top-important Here you can propose new articles which should have the rating Top-important. Errabee 15:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
This page above appeared a while back with little fanfare - at a time when I didn't get much chance to look at it myself. However it contains a very good concept - that is to "agree" the inclusions to the "Top" importance / priority articles. Should this be reactivated (marked by it's creator Errabee as obsolete currently), discussed and promoted? :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 08:15, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Personally I think the page should be re-activated. I think that, whilst there is obviously a certain amount of subjectivity as regards grading, that top grade in particular requires discussion before assignment. That seems the fairest way to do things. I like the amendments Sordel made. Silverthorn 17:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Given the clutter in the categories and articles of literature in generally, do you think that there should be a Literature WikiProject. I think it would make some of the work of Novel project easier. -- chemica 07:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Shouldnt the three books Assassin's Apprentice, Royal Assassin, Assassin's Quest in the farseer trilodgy by robin hobb be merged into one article? considering the three individual pages are short. Culverin 08:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I apologize if this has been addressed elsewhere, but I wonder if someone could point me to places with information on literary critiques and lists of editions for novels. Google searches have not been helpful. I am working on the Flashman novels. -- Joelmills 00:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
How does the project define what a "novel" is, for purposes of inclusion? Certainly not fiction since even a well told joke is fiction. Is it based on the length? Where does a short story end, a novella start and end, and a novel start? Or is it a loose defined "you know it when you see it"? -- Stbalbach 01:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
It has been brought to my attention that in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings)#Wording it says Avoid restating the subject of the article or of an enclosing section in heading titles.
I bring this up because in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/ArticleTemplate, the heading for the characters section is currently listed as "Characters in "~title of novel~"", where the Manual of Style implies that it should merely read "Characters". If I (and the individual who brought this to my attention) are interpreting this correctly, then we should probably change the article template to avoid further confusion. - Runch 03:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok my take on this is that the heading is the only one that we do this on and it is often sub divided into "Main characters", "minor characters", "Recuring characters" and others. This 'Characters in "~title of novel~"' as the general heading is sufficiently different to be a nice change of wording style. Bear in mind that the MOS is a "guidance" not a rule and as I said before this is thos only heading that we use this way. This is not cast in stone (obviously) so please comment freely. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 10:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi all. I just attempted my first major revision of a novel in support of WikiProject Novels. It is Anne Rice's Servant of the Bones. I used as much of the template as I could; it's very complete and easy to use! Could someone give me a bit of feedback on my work? Thanks in advance! Estreya 16:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I have been working slowly on some articles for the novels of Clive Cussler which were mostly added as stubs by another user. So far I have worked on Night Probe! and Vixen 03 and would appreciate some feedback on how I am doing before I continue on to other books. Thanks! -- Ulysses411 23:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Good day, WikiProject Novels people. I just attempted to learn something about Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, and the paucity of that article, on the novel sometimes called the greatest in American literature, and which is included on almost every list of the top half-dozen, should be a source of great shame for the Wikipedia. -- Writtenonsand 15:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I posted this on the talk page for Stephen King's Cell because I thought about it while viewing the page, but wasn't sure where the question should go. A little digging and I found this cool little project.
My question was, why don't the novels/authors have those template/infoboxes at the bottom of their entries that give a full bibliography, like we find at the bottom of every album entry for musical artists? I find those templates very useful when browsing a particular musical artists' complete body of works and would really like to see this happen for authors as well. I'm just unsure as to how to create them and what the standards would be. Like, I think they should have all their novels included, in chronological order, along with a list of short stories or editing they've done for outside compilations, etc.
Thoughts? What can I do to help? Alanlastufka 15:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Just saw that someone has put the {{ importance}} tag on the top of Christopher Moore's books? He's definitely a notable author so the books themselves warrant having an article, right? -- plange 00:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I have just read The Collected Stories of Vernor Vinge and I am interested in creating an article for it. I see that the collection is already described in the Vernor Vinge article itself, but a seperate article seems appropriate to me. Looking through various articles I have seen short story collections included in the authors page and in their own pages, but with no mention of any preference or guidelines for creating these articles in WikiPedia:WikiProject Books or WikiPedia:WikiProject Novels. (I will be happily corrected, if someone can point out that I have missed something.) If these really do not exist, is this project an appropriate place to begin a discussion for creating templates and guidelines for short story collections? -- Andrew Sullivan Cant 23:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to get Category:Characters designed by public contest populated. I don't know of any other characters myself. -- GunnarRene 21:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm requesting some clarification on infoboxes--are they "incomplete" if they're missing only one element? If they're missing a required element? It seems a little ridiculous to say that an infobox is incomplete if it doesn't include, say, the illustrator. (Or the translator, if the book is already in English!) The Publisher tag is problematic as well; for a novel like Anna Karenina, is the publisher the name of the periodical it was serialized in? (Even though the periodical didn't finish publishing it?) AK's infobox looks pretty complete (it has the most relevant information, without including specific-edition information like ISBNs or publishers), but it's listed as incomplete. In my opinion, "publisher" shouldn't be a required field--a lot literary classics are produced by several, if not dozens, of publishers, and the originating publisher of the work is often no longer around. Feedback? Help? -- Merope Talk 18:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I just went through the talk page of The God of Small Things, a Booker prize winning novel, and saw that it was rated "Low" on importance scale. Surely a Booker prize winner deserves more than that. — Ambuj Saxena ( talk) 16:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
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The infobox at the top of the project page it states that:
Critique (Featured Article): None current - "8 achieved"
Is there a list of those anywhere? Grey Shadow 05:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry if this has already been posted but a few users are trying to propose a set of notability guidelines for books. Comments by users involved in the novels project would be very welcome. Pascal.Tesson 05:22, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
Regarding this new addition to the WikiProjectNovels banner ... how can this be achieved while maintaining NPOV? For example, as a fan of the genre I consider Meet the Tiger far more notable than "fill in the blank" which I might consider overrated and not all that important. While someone might say "fill in the blank" deserves to the rated higher than Meet the Tiger because they might consider it an unimportant work... I'm a little puzzled. 23skidoo 23:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I suggest that we create articles for all the characters for the book just like The Da Vinci Code -- SGCommand ( talk • contribs) 10:45, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Having recently been envolved with work on these as categories, I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on add these to our Project Scope. That is not all Book series, not Fictional series as there is a WikiProject for that; just novels series. Persnoally I think it makes sense for us to work on these articles and subject areas. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 12:27, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Of course it does, those are just heirarchial categories... which I tagged last night with the project by the way! <g> // Fra nkB 20:26, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
(forgive me for 'adapting this' from the Harry peoples talk message... RL is demanding attention!) This fellow (rather mature middle aged) fan of Harry has been buried in another favorite series, and it was suggested that I resurect the Wikipedia:WikiProject Fictional series project as one means of developing standards. My 1632 series articles have potentially far more characters, places, and historical matters (it's an alternate history set back in the 1630's, which makes it another sort parallel universe like Harry's and Honorverse (not to mention most speculative fiction genre that become series), another series I contribute some.) than Harry Potter books, assuming she stops after seven novels.
I'm just getting started on 'blowing off the dust' on the Project page, so can use some help, and I'm sure as mature as this project looks, you will have some interesting input and experience on how to juggle, arrange, and format the myriad details that go into a deeply developed complex milieu such as these have become.
1632 series has some unique issues in that it is currently about 75:25 short fiction to Novels, but that will change rapidly as it is also a collaborative fiction experiment that involves literally dozens of authors, most of whom have been active participants helping the principle author and editor define the canon for the series... essentially research and development in matters historical and technical, as the works are making a serious attempt to keep realistic assumptions given the series premises—a small town of about 3,000 souls, Grantville, WV finds itself confronted with the religion based Thirty Year's War, Machievellian politics, and large armies. At the moment, five hardcover book releases are planned to my knowledge in the coming year—which is saying a lot at at least 400pp per book.
To add insult to injury, the works (by design) aren't published in the order of any particular timeline outside the 'main storyline threads', of which there are five... so this makes it like five sub-series, but one's in which the short fiction anthologies are canonical, a very unusual feature in a shared universe setting. But that's part of the great scope of the milieu, which is fascinating if you are at all interested in history and how the modern world came about—the effect of all that research and pre-planning via the internet. (It's not too great a stretch to think of it as a wikiproject, save the issues are the talk forums, and the article outputs are generated by individual or teams of writers working their own sub-projects.)
Enough of my problem, what I need is help defining standards from others involved in similar wikipedia tasks like yourselves (WikiProject Novels in general) for such a mixed series. So watchlist the talk page, and WP:WFs, sign on, and integrate your project cats, templates, etc. into Category:WikiProject Fictional series, list your Project on the see also there, along with it's cats (Being a project cat, the navigation from project to project is for us editors to use, not the general public, so WP:Btw!) so other fiction related editors can find your stuff, secrets, and vice versa.
I'd also like to point out an oxymoron of sorts. The WPP:Books is parent to all these heirarchially lower projects (Novels, series, etc.), yet has the smallest membership list of the lot. Makes no sense! Please sign up and ditto WPP:Novels, and WPP:series for news and contributions. Best regards to all! // Fra nkB 20:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I need to add here, that I've done some organization stuff like the new shortcuts WPP:Books, WPP:Novels, WPP:series, and WP:WFs, and cross-linked some of the pertinent cats. Redirects (like those just listed) will show as '-' pipesorted (dash), Main daughters as space, templates under '!', though I haven't back tracked to verify consistancy yet, but it helps keep things straight. Technically, that sort of standard ought to be imposed from the WikiProject Books project and be consistant downwards. (As Pegship knows, I've been spending a lot of non-fiction edit time in the interwiki Wikimedia Commons and cross-project category organization and equalization, so these 'sort tokens' are fairly debugged, though a different 'system of symbols' is worth discussing... it just sort of happened over the last six weeks on the commons. Gotta run! // Fra nkB 20:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't really oppose having these kind of templates on talk pages, they can be kinda useful, but using it to tell everyone what should be done about other articles is way too much, IMHO. If I go to a talk page, I don't want to be told that there's some other article that needs editing, and this really feels like spam for this WikiProject to me. So please, could this be removed from the template? -- Conti| ✉ 15:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I would first like to thank you guys for the pattern templates. I had been working on a group of articles with little idea of how to structure them, or what to include, but they make a huge difference. I was just wondering if anyone could point me to some good examples of articles using the article or character pattern templates? I would like to see how other people have used them, so that I can continue to improve my articles. Elric of Grans 05:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
Came across an article on a book that had an info box for the movie-- what to do? The Postman plange 02:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
Can someone from the project help to bring this book into the Novels project? Specifically add talk page templates, and clean up the section headers and ordering so it is standard. I've done some work on the article, and it is a very important book one of the most widely read in the world. Thanks. -- Stbalbach 14:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
What do people think of starting a Wikipedia:Collaboration of the Week or Month for Novels. Would anybody be interested. For more information on the notionc try looking at Wikipedia:Collaborations and look around other projects. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 10:20, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Bringing this forward, as this is an ongoing polling for support - we are maybe just about close to the point where there are a few interested people who can work on this notion. Bear in mind you won't "have" to have read the book to contribute. However a unbiased, WP:NOR perspective is also very important here. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 13:29, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I have a question on the difference between a list of characters and an article on characters. I am planning on making a page on the characters from the Boogiepop series (as per WP:FICT), and am considering using the format they have on the Japanese article ( Characters of Boogiepop series). Should my article be considered a list ('List of characters in the Boogiepop series') or and article ('Boogiepop series characters') if I go with that format? Some of the more significant characters will likely get more text than the Japanese article does, but they will mostly be short one or two line descriptions. Elric of Grans 01:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about all the questions recently. I am not sure where to direct these two questions, but they indirectly relate to articles within this WikiProject, so hopefully this is the right place. Firstly, article assessment snuck up on me from nowhere a while back, and I do not really know how they work (beyond their descriptions of what they mean). I understand the process for GA/FA, but what about the others? Can anyone assess an article as Stub/Start (and possibly B-Class), or can only specified people do this? If the latter, how does that work? This could probably be answered by a wikilink, but searching has not helped. Secondly, I have had an article on Peer Review for a week without comment: is there something that can be done in a case like this, or do I just give up on PR and skip to nomination for GA to find out what is wrong with it? Elric of Grans 02:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Just ran across the shortest stub I think I've ever seen! I just finished reading it and so thought I'd see if it had an article... Got to run to bed, but will work on expanding this poor thing... - plange 04:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Just ran across this. Wikipedia talk:Spoiler warning/RfC Grey Shadow 14:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I have been working on the Agatha Christie novels, and there is no harmonisation in approach with regard to spoilers. In some cases, the basic spoiler tag is used when all that is given in the Plot Summary is a very basic bare bones account of the start of the novel, much as one might read in the blurb on the back of the book ( Destination Unknown). In other cases, spoilers include the full solution to the mystery ( Ordeal by Innocence) or a "teaser" summary highlighting the principal clues ( Death in the Clouds). As a user, I feel that a Plot Summary should summarise to the end of the plot, but personally I have tended to keep the articles much as they are with regard to the degree of spoiling in each case. I would appreciate the input of other project members on whether there is a pragmatic or even a principled basis for proceeding. -- Sordel 19:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
These templates seem to be of use for us. Not sure where to list them. Grey Shadow 23:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
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Arthur C. Clarke at the Internet Speculative Fiction Database |
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The Stainless Steel Rat series listing at the Internet Speculative Fiction Database |
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2001: A Space Odyssey title listing at the Internet Speculative Fiction Database |
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iblist name | id=2 | name=Arthur C. Clarke}} Talk |
Arthur C. Clarke at the Internet Book List |
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The Stainless Steel Rat at the Internet Book List |
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2001: A Space Odyssey at the Internet Book List |
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Arthur C. Clarke at the Internet Book Database of Fiction |
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The Stainless Steel Rat series listing at The Internet Book Database of Fiction |
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2001: A Space Odyssey publication history at The Internet Book Database of Fiction |
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I know this has come up before, but I keep coming across articles where people have used the info from later editions in the infobox and havn't denoted it as such; just wanted to remind people to do this or look up the first edition info. -- Gizzakk 18:18, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
Middle-earth is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 17:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
Two more field have been proposed on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Books#Two new fields to infobox which warrent everyone's attention. Please get over there and place you views. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 09:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
The Giver is up for a featured article review. Detailed concerns may be found here. Please leave your comments and help us address and maintain this article's featured quality. Sandy 22:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
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Just FYI I've created a new category, Category:Unpublished novels as there are some articles out there based on unpublished manuscripts. So far there are only 3 listed, but I'm sure there are more. 23skidoo 21:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I am a new user to Wikipedia and this project and I have a question as to the proper etiquette for work in progress. If I am using the template provided by the project and I do not have time to complete the entire work in one sitting is it considered proper form to post the entire template with the missing information visible, to post only the completed parts with some kind of notice, or to work on the entire project offline and then post it in one sitting? Hopefully this is the correct place to post this question. -- Ulysses411 01:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Kevinalewis has reviewed three of the articles I worked on (mostly anonymously) about Henry James novels: The Ambassadors, What Maisie Knew, and Washington Square (novel). He gave each article a B on quality, which is fine with me because almost no articles are rated higher, and over 85% of articles are rated lower. But I can't figure out how The Ambassadors gets only a mid-importance rating while the other two articles get high-importance. James himself would beg to differ. Casey Abell 16:10, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
As have many before me, I've also been wondering about the importance rating. I've been trying to come up with a proposal for some guidelines, which I have placed at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Novels/Assessment. I also believe that it is of the utmost importance that we agree upon the articles labelled as Top-important. These articles are the first to undergo improvement under the WP 1.0 project, and should be well-balanced. As it is now, they feature many Charles Dickens novels, whereas novels by other important authors like Ernest Hemingway are absent. I think this is a too important issue for one person to decide, and I've put up a page where participants can give their opinion about which articles should be Top-rated and which should not. Look here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Assessment/Top-important Here you can propose new articles which should have the rating Top-important. Errabee 15:19, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
This page above appeared a while back with little fanfare - at a time when I didn't get much chance to look at it myself. However it contains a very good concept - that is to "agree" the inclusions to the "Top" importance / priority articles. Should this be reactivated (marked by it's creator Errabee as obsolete currently), discussed and promoted? :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 08:15, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Personally I think the page should be re-activated. I think that, whilst there is obviously a certain amount of subjectivity as regards grading, that top grade in particular requires discussion before assignment. That seems the fairest way to do things. I like the amendments Sordel made. Silverthorn 17:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Given the clutter in the categories and articles of literature in generally, do you think that there should be a Literature WikiProject. I think it would make some of the work of Novel project easier. -- chemica 07:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Shouldnt the three books Assassin's Apprentice, Royal Assassin, Assassin's Quest in the farseer trilodgy by robin hobb be merged into one article? considering the three individual pages are short. Culverin 08:28, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I apologize if this has been addressed elsewhere, but I wonder if someone could point me to places with information on literary critiques and lists of editions for novels. Google searches have not been helpful. I am working on the Flashman novels. -- Joelmills 00:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
How does the project define what a "novel" is, for purposes of inclusion? Certainly not fiction since even a well told joke is fiction. Is it based on the length? Where does a short story end, a novella start and end, and a novel start? Or is it a loose defined "you know it when you see it"? -- Stbalbach 01:25, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
It has been brought to my attention that in the Wikipedia:Manual of Style (headings)#Wording it says Avoid restating the subject of the article or of an enclosing section in heading titles.
I bring this up because in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/ArticleTemplate, the heading for the characters section is currently listed as "Characters in "~title of novel~"", where the Manual of Style implies that it should merely read "Characters". If I (and the individual who brought this to my attention) are interpreting this correctly, then we should probably change the article template to avoid further confusion. - Runch 03:36, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
Ok my take on this is that the heading is the only one that we do this on and it is often sub divided into "Main characters", "minor characters", "Recuring characters" and others. This 'Characters in "~title of novel~"' as the general heading is sufficiently different to be a nice change of wording style. Bear in mind that the MOS is a "guidance" not a rule and as I said before this is thos only heading that we use this way. This is not cast in stone (obviously) so please comment freely. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 10:22, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi all. I just attempted my first major revision of a novel in support of WikiProject Novels. It is Anne Rice's Servant of the Bones. I used as much of the template as I could; it's very complete and easy to use! Could someone give me a bit of feedback on my work? Thanks in advance! Estreya 16:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
I have been working slowly on some articles for the novels of Clive Cussler which were mostly added as stubs by another user. So far I have worked on Night Probe! and Vixen 03 and would appreciate some feedback on how I am doing before I continue on to other books. Thanks! -- Ulysses411 23:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Good day, WikiProject Novels people. I just attempted to learn something about Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, and the paucity of that article, on the novel sometimes called the greatest in American literature, and which is included on almost every list of the top half-dozen, should be a source of great shame for the Wikipedia. -- Writtenonsand 15:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I posted this on the talk page for Stephen King's Cell because I thought about it while viewing the page, but wasn't sure where the question should go. A little digging and I found this cool little project.
My question was, why don't the novels/authors have those template/infoboxes at the bottom of their entries that give a full bibliography, like we find at the bottom of every album entry for musical artists? I find those templates very useful when browsing a particular musical artists' complete body of works and would really like to see this happen for authors as well. I'm just unsure as to how to create them and what the standards would be. Like, I think they should have all their novels included, in chronological order, along with a list of short stories or editing they've done for outside compilations, etc.
Thoughts? What can I do to help? Alanlastufka 15:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Just saw that someone has put the {{ importance}} tag on the top of Christopher Moore's books? He's definitely a notable author so the books themselves warrant having an article, right? -- plange 00:56, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I have just read The Collected Stories of Vernor Vinge and I am interested in creating an article for it. I see that the collection is already described in the Vernor Vinge article itself, but a seperate article seems appropriate to me. Looking through various articles I have seen short story collections included in the authors page and in their own pages, but with no mention of any preference or guidelines for creating these articles in WikiPedia:WikiProject Books or WikiPedia:WikiProject Novels. (I will be happily corrected, if someone can point out that I have missed something.) If these really do not exist, is this project an appropriate place to begin a discussion for creating templates and guidelines for short story collections? -- Andrew Sullivan Cant 23:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'd like to get Category:Characters designed by public contest populated. I don't know of any other characters myself. -- GunnarRene 21:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm requesting some clarification on infoboxes--are they "incomplete" if they're missing only one element? If they're missing a required element? It seems a little ridiculous to say that an infobox is incomplete if it doesn't include, say, the illustrator. (Or the translator, if the book is already in English!) The Publisher tag is problematic as well; for a novel like Anna Karenina, is the publisher the name of the periodical it was serialized in? (Even though the periodical didn't finish publishing it?) AK's infobox looks pretty complete (it has the most relevant information, without including specific-edition information like ISBNs or publishers), but it's listed as incomplete. In my opinion, "publisher" shouldn't be a required field--a lot literary classics are produced by several, if not dozens, of publishers, and the originating publisher of the work is often no longer around. Feedback? Help? -- Merope Talk 18:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I just went through the talk page of The God of Small Things, a Booker prize winning novel, and saw that it was rated "Low" on importance scale. Surely a Booker prize winner deserves more than that. — Ambuj Saxena ( talk) 16:23, 28 September 2006 (UTC)