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Miranda 06:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
What's the word on individual chapter pages? I've created one and it's relatively decent though still being regularly edited. I was going to create a chapter infobox template as I couldn't find one already out there. Questions, Concerns? Corsulian 21:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
After doing the appropriate research, I concur. My apologies--there was a separate PhiSigWiki site that would have been more appropriate but it has, as many wikis have, been targeted by malicious spammers who work faster than any moderators could hope to. Corsulian 21:00, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
this is one thing i haven't seen anything on yet, is it even practical to ask for something on this I wonder. Someone elaborate on this please. Murakumo-Elite 03:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
An IP as well as Justinm1978 are putting prods on notable founders of NPHC organizations. In my opinion, that's disruptive to make a point. What do you all think? Miranda 00:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
And so out of a sense of revenge (as best as I call tell), Miranda has put Frank Reed Horton and Ray O. Wyland up for deletion. Miranda, I don't believe that Justinm1978 proposed deleting every one of the founding sisters of DST. Alpha Phi Omega has 14 founding undergraduates and 6 founding advisors. Only two (FRH & Dr. Wyland) have wikipedia articles. I will in fact oppose Wikipedia articles for most of the other 18. (The one exception being the President of Lafayette College at the time, in general University and College presidents are considered noteworth). Naraht ( talk) 02:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody please keep on eye on the Tau Gamma Phi article? I've added {{wikify}}, {{ad}}, {{weasel words}}, and {{unref}} tags back to the article 3 times, I believe, and I've warned the IP once about removing them. I'd rather not get into an edit war and it seems like this page is always a target for removal of information or additions of huge amounts of unsourced information like this. Thanks. -- ImmortalGoddezz 19:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:Since the IP seems intent on owning the page, I have semi-protected it for now. Let's clean it up. —
Scouter
Sig 22:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
There is currently a rather significant collection of articles relating to secret academic societies like Skull and Bones. I note that several of these are already within the scope of your project. I have recently worked to revive the moribund Wikipedia:WikiProject Secret Societies, and found that several of the articles in the various categories we work with could fit within the Category:Collegiate secret societies. Would the members of this project object to taking on management of the articles that either already are or could reasonably be placed in that category? Generally, I've seen elsewhere that it helps a lot for purposes of organization if a project had a category which defined their scope. Would you be agreeable to having the category above placed in the Category:Fraternities and sororities? Thank you in advance for any and all responses. John Carter ( talk) 18:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
The question has been asked about whether to include a list of notable members, but there's another facet of that issue: Is the fraternity, or its website, a reliable source about whether certain individuals, especially living people, are members?
The issue first appeared at Sigma Alpha Mu. The list of notable members came from a scholarly work (master's thesis, eventually expanded into a full book) which included an appendix of notable members. Prevailing opinion in the discussion there is that since the information arose from the fraternity and might not have been vetted since it appeared in an appendix, it is not reliable.
The counterpoint is being raised at Zeta Phi Beta. Discussion has just begun, but an editor has made the point that using the sorority's website as a source shows "who was initiated into their sorority, verbatim" ( User:Miranda). That strikes me as entering the realm of primary sources.
Rather than have piecemeal practices that differ among articles, I'd rather get project-wide consensus. Since the fraternity/sorority would have the membership records, are they a valid source for membership? Can they be used as a primary source, or should they only be used as a secondary source, as when the list appears in a book? Is the bar set differently depending on whether the member is dead or living, due to WP:BLP? — C.Fred ( talk) 17:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I've run into a bunch of IP's who don't particularly like the fact that a (former?) member of Zeta Tau Alpha, Shannon James, posed for Playboy and are removing the cited information; saying that she's no longer recognized by ZTA. The removal of information hasn't been heavy enough to report but it is enough that it's getting annoying especially since they're so persistent in it and I'm very close to violating WP:3RR today. They've left a message on my talk page asking about the removal and I've replied, probably not to the satisfaction of the IP. I'm not sure how to handle it from here on out besides to keep saying she can be sourced as being a member (whether former or current) and it can be sourced. Any help/insight would be muchly appreciated. -- ImmortalGoddezz 02:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys - I just wanted to clarify the situation with current vs former vs alumnae member. When a woman joins a NPC women's fraternity or sorority she is a member as a collegian and as an alumnae. That is why you see many referring to "lifetime" members, etc. You do not become a former member of ABC because you graduate. If membership is removed it is most likely done at the National Board of Directors or National Council level. Often these are not made public because as stated above the national organization is removing its association with an individual. If your membership is removed when you are a collegian or an alumnae membership rights are revoked including participating in any collegian or alumnae activity or stating that you are a members of ABC national sorority. Each NPC member handles their "member in good standing" differently. The best way to verify the information would be to contact the national HQ of the group. Just wanted to clear up that alumnae are in fact members in good standing. Good luck with the rest of the project. Daurorj ( talk) 17:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I would like for some one here to rate the Pi Kappa Phi, but I am not sure how to do that. Storkpkp ( talk) 20:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
There are many sweetheart organizations out there, some who are welcomed and some who are not. To my knowledge as far as BGLO's the only organization who recognizes sweethearts is Iota Phi Theta [1]. A couple of my friends are Kappa Alpha Psi sweethearts and they take it very seriously. Do you all think they should be addressed in this project? This past summer an issue was raised as to whether or not imitation went too far in regards to Men Interested in Alpha Kappa Alpha (MIAKA) [2]. Would love to hear feedback. Thanks! Knicksfan 4ever 17:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Some affiliate groups are banned by the NPHC and organizations themselves. miranda 14:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not going to be online for the next few days (driving very long distances, yay!) could somebody look over the Alpha Chi Omega page? A user is contesting (and tweaking) the 'controversial' (sourced) information that is on there that doesn't exactly shed a good light over the organization. Thanks! -- ImmortalGoddezz 02:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Since I made a new layout, we need to delete this Wikipedia:WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities/to do. miranda 11:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
We also have a backlog of 190+ unassessed articles. Can we assess these as a group? miranda 02:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
yes I'm gonna take some time right now to clear some of those out over the course of the day hopefully in a day or two we will have most of those rated. Please feel free to come along behind and look over my assessments. I did most of the original articles when the grading system was first introduced and those did not meet with much controversy so hopefully these will not either if it looks like it will be controversial i will make a note of it here :) Trey ( talk) 19:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
And I'm for now just working from the Category:Unassessed Fraternities and Sororities articles for now. Trey ( talk) 03:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
And now we are done. This list on Category:Unassessed Fraternities and Sororities articles is cleared. However it's still showing the Lists as un-assesed. Glad thats over with. Trey ( talk) 05:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I am trying to update the Phi Beta Chi page, since there was pretty much no information on it. However, most of our chapter pages link to non university sites, so the system keeps deleting my changes...is there any way to stop this? Im new at this wikipedia editing thing, but im hoping editing the page will look good on our organization... Bxgirl2010 ( talk) 06:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Should be deleted according to WP:DIRECTORY. What does everyone think before I take this to AFD? miranda 09:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Are you talking about the Chapter list pages? Like List of Sigma Kappa chapters and List of Phi Delta Theta chapters? Because those are near and dear the heart of many editors both regulars here at this Project and out in Wiki World. We created those to clear them off of the main article since some can run hundreds long but without them vandalisms becomes a bigger problem since every annon wants to add his or her chapter. They have stood for quite some time I believe a few have survived AFD's already and i know many Admins have already seen them. Personally i never look at them I'm not even sure if there is one for my Fraternity but i think you may get some strong arguments if you start trying to delete them. I see no real reason they should go myself. In any case they do serve some purpose a Greek organization is nothing but a collection of chapters at various universities and their history is usually developed through the actions of a specific chapter so having the list as a reference is useful. In addition even our own importance scale that we just used to clear that massive backlog (thanks for the Barnstar btw) is based on the number of chapters a organization has. Thats what i looked at to determine a High or Mid importance rating when they were available. And they as pages in their own right have already been taken into account in the ratings. Just some thoughts. Trey ( talk) 18:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
They probably can be found on some sites with some digging but by that definition then nearly everything on Wikipedia should be deleted. Most certainly all those list of Notable Members which can be found (usually on the main page) on the national website fall into that category then. Chapters them selves on their own are not notable enough to merit a wiki page that we have long since reached consensus on but locations of chapter houses are useful at the least to members of the organization check to see if a house is at a particular university. And we also allow a full listing of every Greek group at a university. Note the Dartmouth College Greek organizations Nothing more than a very well done List. So whats the difference in having a chapter list of every university a organization is at? I'm not saying they meet WP:Directory they might even be in direct violation of those Guidelines but they are a useful list and allot of work of other editors has went into them Trey ( talk) 19:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I've actually been separating those lists from the main page of the article that way if they are sent off the the chopping block (which I fully expect one of these days) then there's not too much disruption to the main articles. The lists seem to provide some point of reference within the articles however many people see them as a place to include their chapter websites. I've gone through and removed the websites before but they've always been added back and it's not on my high priority list. I could easily lean either way in regards to them. -- ImmortalGoddezz 20:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm proposing a change to how the number of chapters are listed in the infobox are deliniated. I find the numbers to be misleading, and would like to suggest a way to correct that. Please give some feedback/comments. Justinm1978 ( talk) 21:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to give all the members of this wikiproject a heads up that user Jjbarea keeps adding the supposed 'ritual' to the page (he even added it to his own userpage, I guess to let everyone know). I have reverted it twice and Dysepsion did as well, but it would be helpful if others in the project could keep an eye out as well. I really don't care about him having it on his userpage, it is his own page, and it isn't even close to the real thing. Thanks! Acidskater ( talk) 09:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
It looks like this "ritual posting" is not limited to Sigma Chi recently, but also Kappa Alpha Order. An anonymous editor has been posting sensitive information for KA in the past couple days, so please be on the lookout for these kind of "spoiler" editors. Samwisep86 ( talk) 21:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
pretty interesting stuff. how big should a fraternity be? for inclusion. 150.210.176.71 ( talk) 00:06, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
An editor added a need primary source tag to the Sigma Phi Epsilon article because all the references are from the Sigep national website and Sigep historical documents. Now, i don't dispute this fact but their are no reliable outside third party sources for the huge majority of Greek organizations even the books on greek groups tend to be published by the Greek headquarters. The national websites tend to be quite accurate they are vetted by other Greek organizations since they are a primary recruiting method for prospective students and their parents. If one group was making false claims you would know from other groups crying foul pretty quickly. Other than news reports that are almost uniformly negative (and even if not are usually only specific to a certain chapter) their really is not a up to date national publication that can be used to verify facts third party. So I removed the tag from the Sigep article since its not on any other Greek page. The Sigep article is quite well cited by our standards most Greek articles don't even have sources from their own websites or any others. I think instead of trying to find almost non existent outside sources we should focus more on citing the facts in Greek articles i don't see a major problem with using the Nationals websites for that. And lets avoid having a big glaring tag at the top of each and every Greek page. Thoughts? Trey ( talk) 00:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
As wikipedia's guidelines state, using first party sources are acceptable unless there are certain conditions. Two of these are if the 1. information is highly contentious or 2. Unduly self serving. Claiming sig ep is the largest social fraternity clearly falls under both of those categories Asics4381 ( talk) 04:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Mykungfu who has been banned since late 2006 is currently active with socks and has edited articles relating to NPHC organizations including (but not limited to):
His modus operandi is to claim that Alpha Phi Alpha is not the oldest fraternity. He uses such examples like Sigma Pi Phi, Gamma phi, and Alpha Kappa Nu in order to dispute the claim that Alpha Phi Alpha is not the oldest fraternity for African-Americans. He has abused numerous IP socks from AOL in the past, and is currently active on Talk:Alpha Phi Alpha disputing the first versus the oldest fraternity.
Other helpful links:
miranda 01:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
What do the members of this project think about creating a Fraternities and Sororities portal? El Grande Johnson ( talk) 00:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I would like to ask anyone greek speaking that have contributed in this WikiProject to read the greek article el:Ελευθεροτεκτονισμός to give ideas and advices.-- Iordanis777 listening 10:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
An editor is challenging me on the first party reliability of SigEp's claims to the largest fraternity and i suspect he will soon begin challenging all the other fraternity's claims to size and achievements. His argument is the usual first party cite. Does anyone know of a third party source that would have these numbers? an if not can anyone develop a better argument than what i can to defend this position. He strikes me as willing to take thi up with Admins and we need a good defense/ Since it SigEp thi time i feel a little biased but if SigEp's is removed so will TKE SAE and any other first party cited claims which is many claims on many organizations. The discussion such as it is is located at Talk:Sigma Phi Epsilon if you want to have a look. thanks in advance for any help ya'll can provide Trey ( talk) 16:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
i have no problem qualifying the cite if that will make the admin's and editor happy. But the editor wants it totally removed and i personally think its very important info. not just because I'm a sigep but for the fact of it if delta chi was the largest fraternity even not being a member that would be very important info to me. for perspective greeks current greeks and even just people interested in greek life the largest, or fastest growing or smallest or most chapters or most alum or oldest or newest, all these facts are important. the fact that no third party really reports on Greeks should not be held against them. If it is it really limits the scope of the article and the usefulness of it. at least in my opinion. Anyways Baird's is no better than the chapter websites. i haven't heard about the NIC's project maybe that will help. Personally at last these would be better than coming from Sigep.org or TKe.org or whatever even if the numbers were no different. i just think its all some hypocritical bullshit. Trey ( talk) 04:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
So there's a fine template on here for notable member lists. Any objection to a chapter list template? I think the use the notable member template, at a minimum, improves the appearance of these lists and greatly quiets the dicussion of removing them. This could also be good for chapter lists. Yes, chapter lists are often available on national Web sites but they rarely contain all the possible information. Some don't include dates, current status, when a chapter became inactive and, dare I propose, you could add an image or two of houses? Corsulian ( talk) 14:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Name | Chartered | Institution | Location | Status | Notes | Reference |- style="vertical-align:top;" class="vcard" | Alpha | 1873 | University of Massachusetts | Active |
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Corsulian ( talk) 17:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I love the new template, but I think you should also add a column for notes. I know the List of Sigma Chi chapters has multiple chapters which merged with other chapters or have something to note. Acidskater ( talk) 06:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Why do we need a location column? If you're linking already to a specific university, this seems redundant. A reference column seems pointless, too. Most references are going to apply to the entire list, not individual rows. The work by
littlealien at
List_of_Pi_Kappa_Phi_Chapters is good I think.
Iheartwiki19 (
talk) 23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Chapter | Colonized | Chartered | School | State | Status | Charter range | Reference |
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University of Massachusetts | Massachusetts | Active |
I started this if anyone wants to chip in: Fraternity & Sorority Life on Wikiquote. I'm pretty new to Wikiquote but I don't think I've committed any major crimes by putting that article together. Yes, the sources are all just from the new member manual I was given years ago but the quotes themselves come from a variety of people from different organizations. Corsulian ( talk) 14:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
So I've been playing with reorg ideas here: Corsulian's Sandbox. I also posted on the fraternities and sororities talk page for feedback but it's tough trying to gauge how many users here actually look at that page. Any feedback would be appreciated including but not limited to:
Hello, I am new to editing wikipedia and I have been working on editing the list of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority sisters to provide a more comprehensive list of all members, in addition to more references and a more detailed description of what makes them notable. However, I believe I have been using the correct format for references, but after reference number 35, all of my citations run together. Could someone please help me figure out how to provide a separate entry for each source? Thank You. Divainred ( talk) 00:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)Divainred, June 23, 2008.
I upgraded Delta Sigma Theta to C-class. If certain start articles meet C-class, please assess them as such. miranda 09:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
When I first came to en.wikipedia, I had a lot of trouble establishing citations and references and just finding good information that wasn't just pulled from some org's national Web site. I thought I hit the jackpot when I discovered that Baird's manual from 1879 was on wiki source. But the real jackpot, I've found, is Google Books. Search for your organization or terms and you can find old texts and publications (and pictures even) that are now in the public domain and scanned online. I personally suggest citing these with ref tags and the Citation template. Corsulian ( talk) 18:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Scanned by Google does not mean things are now public domain. All the old rules apply as far as copyright goes. It DOES mean you can link to references, though, which does help a good deal. LesleyAnnWarren ( talk) 01:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
It might be appropriate to include this ( Mystical 7) in the Fraternities and Sororities project. LesleyAnnWarren ( talk) 01:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't know but it seems that a lot of articles on Fraternities and Sororities are degenerating into lists of chapters and 'Notable members'. ---No history, no analysis, no nothing. I realize this can all be controversial, but it seems that an article with just a list of members, (i.e., Beta Theta Pi) serves virtually no purpose at all. LesleyAnnWarren ( talk) 01:13, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
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There has been a page "History of North American college fraternities and sororities". With this edit '15:32, 1 July 2008 Corsulian (Talk | contribs) (22,798 bytes) (Hard Replacement. Not finished--but nothing of particular importance has been replaced.)' Corsulian changed the name of ths page to read "History of the North American fraternity and sorority system" apparently to signify that the new page should reflect that fraternities work as a system.
However, there are entirely legitimate fraternities that are a part of no system, such as the Yale societies. I have recreated a new "History of North American college fraternities and sororities" page to have a more inclusive history, and allowed the "History of the North American fraternity and sorority system" page to remain so Corsulian can continue on with whatever work he wants to continue on with. Writing about the inter-relations of fraternities and sororities as an article of its own is as legitimate as is necessary.
(Although appropriating the group efforts of one article and redirecting it to another article somehow seems incorrect.)
The general history, it sems, should be under the most general and inclusive header as possible. LesleyAnnWarren ( talk) 03:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I can't say I exactly understand what it is you mean to do. Whatever system there is, it would be fine to have a history of that. I wasn't really speaking about Skull & Bones type organizations, but any college fraternal organization--there are those that work in NIC-type settings, and those that don't. And the development of these organizations from the 1820's to the 1870's was largely outside any organized system. But as far as Skull & Bones type organizations are concerned, there should be one common history article for all kinds of organizations. They did all develop as separate strains out of the same common origin. As far as the 'fraternities and sororities' article itself goes, I agree that should be a general article, and 'North American College Fraternities and Sororities' should be a separate article, (even sororities really should be separate). LesleyAnnWarren ( talk) 14:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
(etc.)
Just a sketch... LesleyAnnWarren ( talk) 14:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello. Some new editors are trying to create an article on the Pi Delta Psi fraternity (their first effort was deleted by me as a copyvio). They've asked me for some help, but I figure that the people on this project have more interest in this specific article and could offer better help in how to write a decent fraternity article. User talk:Changm55 is the place where the discussion is currently happening. Thank you! Fram ( talk) 07:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
A question has come up at Freemasonry as to whether that article should be listed as being under this project? I suppose the answer depends on whether this project limits itself only to collegiate (Greek) Fraternities and Sororities, or whether it also deals with adult oriented Fraternal orders (such as the Masons, Elks, Knights of Columbus, etc.) If the consensus is that it only deals with collegiate bodies, then I think we may need to form another project for non-collegiate bodies. Perhaps we need to reorganize with a broader "Fraternal Organizations" project, that could have a sub-project for the collegiate fraternities and sororities (this page), and another for the adult oriented fraternities (as a working title, perhaps "Fraternal Orders" would do). Thoughts? Blueboar ( talk) 18:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Hear, hear! I think it is an excellent idea. The problem is that this project group should really be WikiProject College Fraternities and Sororities, and the general should be WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities. (Ideally, Wikipedia's structure would follow the Library of Congress subject keywords index.) But clearly, the 'adult' societies are the broader categopry of which college fraternities are a subset. Only you have to come up with a better term than 'adult'. P22575R15 ( talk) 19:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I like the idea, but remember that HighSchool Frats and Sororities (no mater how small they may be)are under this proyect as well El Grande Johnson ( talk) 22:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
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Can someone keep an eye or weigh in on the Delta Upsilon page? There was a list of notable alumni which was a duplicate of a 2nd article with the same info. I've removed this info as redundant but one user keeps reverting without explanation. If I'm wrong and the duplicate info needs to stay, thats ok, but I'd like a 2nd opinion. Jrssr5 16:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I was told to talk to you about why the page i created for Gamma Phi Sigma was deleted as it had the same format as many of the pages i've seen in wikipedia for other frats and sororities. (20:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gphi1992 ( talk • contribs)
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Fox Theta Delta has been nominated for deletion. Please review the AfD discussion here. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 01:17, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Kappa Alpha Society,
Kuklos Adelphon, and
Kappa Alpha Order are so thoroughly confusable that the articles should probably explicitly discuss the distinction.
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Jerzy•
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Three of us are discussing whether to retain in the Theta Chi article the news from this past May on the San Diego State University drug bust. The discussion on the talk page seems to me to be involving strong opinions. I would appreciate help from the Fraternity & Sorority project in resolving this discussion, especially from people not affiliated with that fraternity. -- A More Perfect Onion ( talk) 14:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi. An article related to this WikiProject is currently up for deletion:
Articles_for_deletion/Pi Delta Kappa
(don't think it's on
WP:WikiProject_Fraternities_and_Sororities/Watchlist, though is in Category: Fraternities and sororities.)
Recently closed results (I had a spare few mins) include:
(Type: (local, regional/national); org status: (current or historic); AfD result: (open, re-listed & ongoing, keep, delete).
Best, Whitehorse1 22:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I added Alpha Kappa Alpha to featured article scheduling requests. miranda 22:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I've spent about the last three weeks attempting to reference all of the Fraternities and Sororities on the List of fraternities and sororities in the Philippines page. I would appreciate comments on the talk page for the Article. Some pieces of information:
I am doing my best to make this a useful article. I feel that it can be and that without it, unregistered users from Philipino greeks will be more likely to make uncaring edits (as opposed to pure vandalism) to other lists of fraternities and sororities. Thank You. Naraht ( talk) 20:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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Miranda 06:08, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
What's the word on individual chapter pages? I've created one and it's relatively decent though still being regularly edited. I was going to create a chapter infobox template as I couldn't find one already out there. Questions, Concerns? Corsulian 21:54, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
After doing the appropriate research, I concur. My apologies--there was a separate PhiSigWiki site that would have been more appropriate but it has, as many wikis have, been targeted by malicious spammers who work faster than any moderators could hope to. Corsulian 21:00, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
this is one thing i haven't seen anything on yet, is it even practical to ask for something on this I wonder. Someone elaborate on this please. Murakumo-Elite 03:29, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
An IP as well as Justinm1978 are putting prods on notable founders of NPHC organizations. In my opinion, that's disruptive to make a point. What do you all think? Miranda 00:38, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
And so out of a sense of revenge (as best as I call tell), Miranda has put Frank Reed Horton and Ray O. Wyland up for deletion. Miranda, I don't believe that Justinm1978 proposed deleting every one of the founding sisters of DST. Alpha Phi Omega has 14 founding undergraduates and 6 founding advisors. Only two (FRH & Dr. Wyland) have wikipedia articles. I will in fact oppose Wikipedia articles for most of the other 18. (The one exception being the President of Lafayette College at the time, in general University and College presidents are considered noteworth). Naraht ( talk) 02:04, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
Can somebody please keep on eye on the Tau Gamma Phi article? I've added {{wikify}}, {{ad}}, {{weasel words}}, and {{unref}} tags back to the article 3 times, I believe, and I've warned the IP once about removing them. I'd rather not get into an edit war and it seems like this page is always a target for removal of information or additions of huge amounts of unsourced information like this. Thanks. -- ImmortalGoddezz 19:36, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
:Since the IP seems intent on owning the page, I have semi-protected it for now. Let's clean it up. —
Scouter
Sig 22:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
There is currently a rather significant collection of articles relating to secret academic societies like Skull and Bones. I note that several of these are already within the scope of your project. I have recently worked to revive the moribund Wikipedia:WikiProject Secret Societies, and found that several of the articles in the various categories we work with could fit within the Category:Collegiate secret societies. Would the members of this project object to taking on management of the articles that either already are or could reasonably be placed in that category? Generally, I've seen elsewhere that it helps a lot for purposes of organization if a project had a category which defined their scope. Would you be agreeable to having the category above placed in the Category:Fraternities and sororities? Thank you in advance for any and all responses. John Carter ( talk) 18:47, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
The question has been asked about whether to include a list of notable members, but there's another facet of that issue: Is the fraternity, or its website, a reliable source about whether certain individuals, especially living people, are members?
The issue first appeared at Sigma Alpha Mu. The list of notable members came from a scholarly work (master's thesis, eventually expanded into a full book) which included an appendix of notable members. Prevailing opinion in the discussion there is that since the information arose from the fraternity and might not have been vetted since it appeared in an appendix, it is not reliable.
The counterpoint is being raised at Zeta Phi Beta. Discussion has just begun, but an editor has made the point that using the sorority's website as a source shows "who was initiated into their sorority, verbatim" ( User:Miranda). That strikes me as entering the realm of primary sources.
Rather than have piecemeal practices that differ among articles, I'd rather get project-wide consensus. Since the fraternity/sorority would have the membership records, are they a valid source for membership? Can they be used as a primary source, or should they only be used as a secondary source, as when the list appears in a book? Is the bar set differently depending on whether the member is dead or living, due to WP:BLP? — C.Fred ( talk) 17:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I've run into a bunch of IP's who don't particularly like the fact that a (former?) member of Zeta Tau Alpha, Shannon James, posed for Playboy and are removing the cited information; saying that she's no longer recognized by ZTA. The removal of information hasn't been heavy enough to report but it is enough that it's getting annoying especially since they're so persistent in it and I'm very close to violating WP:3RR today. They've left a message on my talk page asking about the removal and I've replied, probably not to the satisfaction of the IP. I'm not sure how to handle it from here on out besides to keep saying she can be sourced as being a member (whether former or current) and it can be sourced. Any help/insight would be muchly appreciated. -- ImmortalGoddezz 02:14, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Hey guys - I just wanted to clarify the situation with current vs former vs alumnae member. When a woman joins a NPC women's fraternity or sorority she is a member as a collegian and as an alumnae. That is why you see many referring to "lifetime" members, etc. You do not become a former member of ABC because you graduate. If membership is removed it is most likely done at the National Board of Directors or National Council level. Often these are not made public because as stated above the national organization is removing its association with an individual. If your membership is removed when you are a collegian or an alumnae membership rights are revoked including participating in any collegian or alumnae activity or stating that you are a members of ABC national sorority. Each NPC member handles their "member in good standing" differently. The best way to verify the information would be to contact the national HQ of the group. Just wanted to clear up that alumnae are in fact members in good standing. Good luck with the rest of the project. Daurorj ( talk) 17:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
I would like for some one here to rate the Pi Kappa Phi, but I am not sure how to do that. Storkpkp ( talk) 20:10, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
There are many sweetheart organizations out there, some who are welcomed and some who are not. To my knowledge as far as BGLO's the only organization who recognizes sweethearts is Iota Phi Theta [1]. A couple of my friends are Kappa Alpha Psi sweethearts and they take it very seriously. Do you all think they should be addressed in this project? This past summer an issue was raised as to whether or not imitation went too far in regards to Men Interested in Alpha Kappa Alpha (MIAKA) [2]. Would love to hear feedback. Thanks! Knicksfan 4ever 17:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Some affiliate groups are banned by the NPHC and organizations themselves. miranda 14:13, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not going to be online for the next few days (driving very long distances, yay!) could somebody look over the Alpha Chi Omega page? A user is contesting (and tweaking) the 'controversial' (sourced) information that is on there that doesn't exactly shed a good light over the organization. Thanks! -- ImmortalGoddezz 02:10, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Since I made a new layout, we need to delete this Wikipedia:WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities/to do. miranda 11:36, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
We also have a backlog of 190+ unassessed articles. Can we assess these as a group? miranda 02:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
yes I'm gonna take some time right now to clear some of those out over the course of the day hopefully in a day or two we will have most of those rated. Please feel free to come along behind and look over my assessments. I did most of the original articles when the grading system was first introduced and those did not meet with much controversy so hopefully these will not either if it looks like it will be controversial i will make a note of it here :) Trey ( talk) 19:47, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
And I'm for now just working from the Category:Unassessed Fraternities and Sororities articles for now. Trey ( talk) 03:05, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
And now we are done. This list on Category:Unassessed Fraternities and Sororities articles is cleared. However it's still showing the Lists as un-assesed. Glad thats over with. Trey ( talk) 05:44, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I am trying to update the Phi Beta Chi page, since there was pretty much no information on it. However, most of our chapter pages link to non university sites, so the system keeps deleting my changes...is there any way to stop this? Im new at this wikipedia editing thing, but im hoping editing the page will look good on our organization... Bxgirl2010 ( talk) 06:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Should be deleted according to WP:DIRECTORY. What does everyone think before I take this to AFD? miranda 09:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Are you talking about the Chapter list pages? Like List of Sigma Kappa chapters and List of Phi Delta Theta chapters? Because those are near and dear the heart of many editors both regulars here at this Project and out in Wiki World. We created those to clear them off of the main article since some can run hundreds long but without them vandalisms becomes a bigger problem since every annon wants to add his or her chapter. They have stood for quite some time I believe a few have survived AFD's already and i know many Admins have already seen them. Personally i never look at them I'm not even sure if there is one for my Fraternity but i think you may get some strong arguments if you start trying to delete them. I see no real reason they should go myself. In any case they do serve some purpose a Greek organization is nothing but a collection of chapters at various universities and their history is usually developed through the actions of a specific chapter so having the list as a reference is useful. In addition even our own importance scale that we just used to clear that massive backlog (thanks for the Barnstar btw) is based on the number of chapters a organization has. Thats what i looked at to determine a High or Mid importance rating when they were available. And they as pages in their own right have already been taken into account in the ratings. Just some thoughts. Trey ( talk) 18:54, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
They probably can be found on some sites with some digging but by that definition then nearly everything on Wikipedia should be deleted. Most certainly all those list of Notable Members which can be found (usually on the main page) on the national website fall into that category then. Chapters them selves on their own are not notable enough to merit a wiki page that we have long since reached consensus on but locations of chapter houses are useful at the least to members of the organization check to see if a house is at a particular university. And we also allow a full listing of every Greek group at a university. Note the Dartmouth College Greek organizations Nothing more than a very well done List. So whats the difference in having a chapter list of every university a organization is at? I'm not saying they meet WP:Directory they might even be in direct violation of those Guidelines but they are a useful list and allot of work of other editors has went into them Trey ( talk) 19:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I've actually been separating those lists from the main page of the article that way if they are sent off the the chopping block (which I fully expect one of these days) then there's not too much disruption to the main articles. The lists seem to provide some point of reference within the articles however many people see them as a place to include their chapter websites. I've gone through and removed the websites before but they've always been added back and it's not on my high priority list. I could easily lean either way in regards to them. -- ImmortalGoddezz 20:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm proposing a change to how the number of chapters are listed in the infobox are deliniated. I find the numbers to be misleading, and would like to suggest a way to correct that. Please give some feedback/comments. Justinm1978 ( talk) 21:39, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to give all the members of this wikiproject a heads up that user Jjbarea keeps adding the supposed 'ritual' to the page (he even added it to his own userpage, I guess to let everyone know). I have reverted it twice and Dysepsion did as well, but it would be helpful if others in the project could keep an eye out as well. I really don't care about him having it on his userpage, it is his own page, and it isn't even close to the real thing. Thanks! Acidskater ( talk) 09:09, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
It looks like this "ritual posting" is not limited to Sigma Chi recently, but also Kappa Alpha Order. An anonymous editor has been posting sensitive information for KA in the past couple days, so please be on the lookout for these kind of "spoiler" editors. Samwisep86 ( talk) 21:27, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
pretty interesting stuff. how big should a fraternity be? for inclusion. 150.210.176.71 ( talk) 00:06, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
An editor added a need primary source tag to the Sigma Phi Epsilon article because all the references are from the Sigep national website and Sigep historical documents. Now, i don't dispute this fact but their are no reliable outside third party sources for the huge majority of Greek organizations even the books on greek groups tend to be published by the Greek headquarters. The national websites tend to be quite accurate they are vetted by other Greek organizations since they are a primary recruiting method for prospective students and their parents. If one group was making false claims you would know from other groups crying foul pretty quickly. Other than news reports that are almost uniformly negative (and even if not are usually only specific to a certain chapter) their really is not a up to date national publication that can be used to verify facts third party. So I removed the tag from the Sigep article since its not on any other Greek page. The Sigep article is quite well cited by our standards most Greek articles don't even have sources from their own websites or any others. I think instead of trying to find almost non existent outside sources we should focus more on citing the facts in Greek articles i don't see a major problem with using the Nationals websites for that. And lets avoid having a big glaring tag at the top of each and every Greek page. Thoughts? Trey ( talk) 00:49, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
As wikipedia's guidelines state, using first party sources are acceptable unless there are certain conditions. Two of these are if the 1. information is highly contentious or 2. Unduly self serving. Claiming sig ep is the largest social fraternity clearly falls under both of those categories Asics4381 ( talk) 04:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Mykungfu who has been banned since late 2006 is currently active with socks and has edited articles relating to NPHC organizations including (but not limited to):
His modus operandi is to claim that Alpha Phi Alpha is not the oldest fraternity. He uses such examples like Sigma Pi Phi, Gamma phi, and Alpha Kappa Nu in order to dispute the claim that Alpha Phi Alpha is not the oldest fraternity for African-Americans. He has abused numerous IP socks from AOL in the past, and is currently active on Talk:Alpha Phi Alpha disputing the first versus the oldest fraternity.
Other helpful links:
miranda 01:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
What do the members of this project think about creating a Fraternities and Sororities portal? El Grande Johnson ( talk) 00:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I would like to ask anyone greek speaking that have contributed in this WikiProject to read the greek article el:Ελευθεροτεκτονισμός to give ideas and advices.-- Iordanis777 listening 10:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
An editor is challenging me on the first party reliability of SigEp's claims to the largest fraternity and i suspect he will soon begin challenging all the other fraternity's claims to size and achievements. His argument is the usual first party cite. Does anyone know of a third party source that would have these numbers? an if not can anyone develop a better argument than what i can to defend this position. He strikes me as willing to take thi up with Admins and we need a good defense/ Since it SigEp thi time i feel a little biased but if SigEp's is removed so will TKE SAE and any other first party cited claims which is many claims on many organizations. The discussion such as it is is located at Talk:Sigma Phi Epsilon if you want to have a look. thanks in advance for any help ya'll can provide Trey ( talk) 16:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
i have no problem qualifying the cite if that will make the admin's and editor happy. But the editor wants it totally removed and i personally think its very important info. not just because I'm a sigep but for the fact of it if delta chi was the largest fraternity even not being a member that would be very important info to me. for perspective greeks current greeks and even just people interested in greek life the largest, or fastest growing or smallest or most chapters or most alum or oldest or newest, all these facts are important. the fact that no third party really reports on Greeks should not be held against them. If it is it really limits the scope of the article and the usefulness of it. at least in my opinion. Anyways Baird's is no better than the chapter websites. i haven't heard about the NIC's project maybe that will help. Personally at last these would be better than coming from Sigep.org or TKe.org or whatever even if the numbers were no different. i just think its all some hypocritical bullshit. Trey ( talk) 04:49, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
So there's a fine template on here for notable member lists. Any objection to a chapter list template? I think the use the notable member template, at a minimum, improves the appearance of these lists and greatly quiets the dicussion of removing them. This could also be good for chapter lists. Yes, chapter lists are often available on national Web sites but they rarely contain all the possible information. Some don't include dates, current status, when a chapter became inactive and, dare I propose, you could add an image or two of houses? Corsulian ( talk) 14:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Name | Chartered | Institution | Location | Status | Notes | Reference |- style="vertical-align:top;" class="vcard" | Alpha | 1873 | University of Massachusetts | Active |
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Corsulian ( talk) 17:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I love the new template, but I think you should also add a column for notes. I know the List of Sigma Chi chapters has multiple chapters which merged with other chapters or have something to note. Acidskater ( talk) 06:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Why do we need a location column? If you're linking already to a specific university, this seems redundant. A reference column seems pointless, too. Most references are going to apply to the entire list, not individual rows. The work by
littlealien at
List_of_Pi_Kappa_Phi_Chapters is good I think.
Iheartwiki19 (
talk) 23:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Chapter | Colonized | Chartered | School | State | Status | Charter range | Reference |
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University of Massachusetts | Massachusetts | Active |
I started this if anyone wants to chip in: Fraternity & Sorority Life on Wikiquote. I'm pretty new to Wikiquote but I don't think I've committed any major crimes by putting that article together. Yes, the sources are all just from the new member manual I was given years ago but the quotes themselves come from a variety of people from different organizations. Corsulian ( talk) 14:08, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
So I've been playing with reorg ideas here: Corsulian's Sandbox. I also posted on the fraternities and sororities talk page for feedback but it's tough trying to gauge how many users here actually look at that page. Any feedback would be appreciated including but not limited to:
Hello, I am new to editing wikipedia and I have been working on editing the list of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority sisters to provide a more comprehensive list of all members, in addition to more references and a more detailed description of what makes them notable. However, I believe I have been using the correct format for references, but after reference number 35, all of my citations run together. Could someone please help me figure out how to provide a separate entry for each source? Thank You. Divainred ( talk) 00:09, 24 June 2008 (UTC)Divainred, June 23, 2008.
I upgraded Delta Sigma Theta to C-class. If certain start articles meet C-class, please assess them as such. miranda 09:07, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
When I first came to en.wikipedia, I had a lot of trouble establishing citations and references and just finding good information that wasn't just pulled from some org's national Web site. I thought I hit the jackpot when I discovered that Baird's manual from 1879 was on wiki source. But the real jackpot, I've found, is Google Books. Search for your organization or terms and you can find old texts and publications (and pictures even) that are now in the public domain and scanned online. I personally suggest citing these with ref tags and the Citation template. Corsulian ( talk) 18:01, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
Scanned by Google does not mean things are now public domain. All the old rules apply as far as copyright goes. It DOES mean you can link to references, though, which does help a good deal. LesleyAnnWarren ( talk) 01:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
It might be appropriate to include this ( Mystical 7) in the Fraternities and Sororities project. LesleyAnnWarren ( talk) 01:09, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't know but it seems that a lot of articles on Fraternities and Sororities are degenerating into lists of chapters and 'Notable members'. ---No history, no analysis, no nothing. I realize this can all be controversial, but it seems that an article with just a list of members, (i.e., Beta Theta Pi) serves virtually no purpose at all. LesleyAnnWarren ( talk) 01:13, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
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There has been a page "History of North American college fraternities and sororities". With this edit '15:32, 1 July 2008 Corsulian (Talk | contribs) (22,798 bytes) (Hard Replacement. Not finished--but nothing of particular importance has been replaced.)' Corsulian changed the name of ths page to read "History of the North American fraternity and sorority system" apparently to signify that the new page should reflect that fraternities work as a system.
However, there are entirely legitimate fraternities that are a part of no system, such as the Yale societies. I have recreated a new "History of North American college fraternities and sororities" page to have a more inclusive history, and allowed the "History of the North American fraternity and sorority system" page to remain so Corsulian can continue on with whatever work he wants to continue on with. Writing about the inter-relations of fraternities and sororities as an article of its own is as legitimate as is necessary.
(Although appropriating the group efforts of one article and redirecting it to another article somehow seems incorrect.)
The general history, it sems, should be under the most general and inclusive header as possible. LesleyAnnWarren ( talk) 03:18, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I can't say I exactly understand what it is you mean to do. Whatever system there is, it would be fine to have a history of that. I wasn't really speaking about Skull & Bones type organizations, but any college fraternal organization--there are those that work in NIC-type settings, and those that don't. And the development of these organizations from the 1820's to the 1870's was largely outside any organized system. But as far as Skull & Bones type organizations are concerned, there should be one common history article for all kinds of organizations. They did all develop as separate strains out of the same common origin. As far as the 'fraternities and sororities' article itself goes, I agree that should be a general article, and 'North American College Fraternities and Sororities' should be a separate article, (even sororities really should be separate). LesleyAnnWarren ( talk) 14:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
(etc.)
Just a sketch... LesleyAnnWarren ( talk) 14:36, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello. Some new editors are trying to create an article on the Pi Delta Psi fraternity (their first effort was deleted by me as a copyvio). They've asked me for some help, but I figure that the people on this project have more interest in this specific article and could offer better help in how to write a decent fraternity article. User talk:Changm55 is the place where the discussion is currently happening. Thank you! Fram ( talk) 07:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
A question has come up at Freemasonry as to whether that article should be listed as being under this project? I suppose the answer depends on whether this project limits itself only to collegiate (Greek) Fraternities and Sororities, or whether it also deals with adult oriented Fraternal orders (such as the Masons, Elks, Knights of Columbus, etc.) If the consensus is that it only deals with collegiate bodies, then I think we may need to form another project for non-collegiate bodies. Perhaps we need to reorganize with a broader "Fraternal Organizations" project, that could have a sub-project for the collegiate fraternities and sororities (this page), and another for the adult oriented fraternities (as a working title, perhaps "Fraternal Orders" would do). Thoughts? Blueboar ( talk) 18:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
Hear, hear! I think it is an excellent idea. The problem is that this project group should really be WikiProject College Fraternities and Sororities, and the general should be WikiProject Fraternities and Sororities. (Ideally, Wikipedia's structure would follow the Library of Congress subject keywords index.) But clearly, the 'adult' societies are the broader categopry of which college fraternities are a subset. Only you have to come up with a better term than 'adult'. P22575R15 ( talk) 19:16, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I like the idea, but remember that HighSchool Frats and Sororities (no mater how small they may be)are under this proyect as well El Grande Johnson ( talk) 22:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
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Can someone keep an eye or weigh in on the Delta Upsilon page? There was a list of notable alumni which was a duplicate of a 2nd article with the same info. I've removed this info as redundant but one user keeps reverting without explanation. If I'm wrong and the duplicate info needs to stay, thats ok, but I'd like a 2nd opinion. Jrssr5 16:12, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I was told to talk to you about why the page i created for Gamma Phi Sigma was deleted as it had the same format as many of the pages i've seen in wikipedia for other frats and sororities. (20:21, 5 September 2008 (UTC)) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gphi1992 ( talk • contribs)
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Fox Theta Delta has been nominated for deletion. Please review the AfD discussion here. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ contribs 01:17, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
Kappa Alpha Society,
Kuklos Adelphon, and
Kappa Alpha Order are so thoroughly confusable that the articles should probably explicitly discuss the distinction.
--
Jerzy•
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Three of us are discussing whether to retain in the Theta Chi article the news from this past May on the San Diego State University drug bust. The discussion on the talk page seems to me to be involving strong opinions. I would appreciate help from the Fraternity & Sorority project in resolving this discussion, especially from people not affiliated with that fraternity. -- A More Perfect Onion ( talk) 14:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi. An article related to this WikiProject is currently up for deletion:
Articles_for_deletion/Pi Delta Kappa
(don't think it's on
WP:WikiProject_Fraternities_and_Sororities/Watchlist, though is in Category: Fraternities and sororities.)
Recently closed results (I had a spare few mins) include:
(Type: (local, regional/national); org status: (current or historic); AfD result: (open, re-listed & ongoing, keep, delete).
Best, Whitehorse1 22:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I added Alpha Kappa Alpha to featured article scheduling requests. miranda 22:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I've spent about the last three weeks attempting to reference all of the Fraternities and Sororities on the List of fraternities and sororities in the Philippines page. I would appreciate comments on the talk page for the Article. Some pieces of information:
I am doing my best to make this a useful article. I feel that it can be and that without it, unregistered users from Philipino greeks will be more likely to make uncaring edits (as opposed to pure vandalism) to other lists of fraternities and sororities. Thank You. Naraht ( talk) 20:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)