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I've noticed the Newsarama website still doesn't have an article. Newsarama is one of the most informative websites about comics, and it has an Alexa ranking of 6,494 [1], so it should qualify for notability. However, I did find Talk @ Newsarama in the Wikipedia, talking about the Newsarama forum, of all things. It was created in August and has somehow survived this long with an AFD nomination. -- Pc13 00:23, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Currently IDW Publishing redirects to List of current IDW Publishing publications, which is not only a bad idea, but the article itself is a mess. Nothing links there, it's disorganized, and it's out of date. Can somebody move the article to IDW Publishing and then tidy it up? - leigh (φθόγγος) 17:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
There's been some discussion at User talk:Badbilltucker about the addition of comics award information, and I thought this might be a better place to talk about it.
Badbilltucker has undertaken a massive project to add information from a number of references, especially the Comic Book Awards Almanac. This has raised several questions (at least for me), mainly:
My opinions about these are probably obvious from the way I asked the questions, but I really do want to see what others think. ← Hob 20:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I would simply note that at least on Eisner and Harvey Awards pages, only the winners, not the nominees, are listed. 128.252.173.124 18:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
The articles contributed by SwitChar ( talk · contribs) look suspiciously like fanfic or some unpublished non-notable stuff. I can't verify them with a quick Google search, which is odd for pop cultural topics. Some of his contributions are:
The articles claim Edwin Jobling and Kieran Murphy as creators of these comics characters, but I don't really find anything on those either (there is a medical professor Kieran Murphy and a guitar player by the same name who get the top hits).
Not a thorough search but enough to awake suspicion. However, there may be stuff I am unaware of. u p p l a n d 15:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Two more things just got added to this: The Crutched Crusader and Category: Silent Comics characters. All go ahead and do the deletes on these.-- Mitsukai 16:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm noticing a lot of Marvel characters' descriptions being listed as "Depowered" on the basis of the Wizard magazine list, but the list in question is badly faulty since it includes non-mutants and a couple of characters who are already confirmed as non-depowered. If you're reading this, please do NOT alter characters' entries based solely on that list - SoM 21:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I think this project could benefit from a style guide (maybe as a sub-page) as I find many noticeable differences between how things are stylized between articles. Just a suggestion. KramarDanIkabu 06:05, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
I've noticed a bias in image selection towards more recent samples of character images, which are not necessarily representative of how that character has been represented and known throughout most of its history (see Quicksilver for a good example). Wikipedia shouldn't be the 2006 Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe; as cultural historians, we shouldn't give improper weight to the most recent product or trend. I wonder how much of a problem this is in article text as well, due to the tendency of some fan contributors to focus on what is the canon flavor of the month rather than on a balanced overview of how a character has been portrayed at different times. Thoughts? Postdlf 23:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Another problem with comic book article images, also illustrated by Quicksilver's article—it's billed as a comic book cover, yet the image bears none of the identifying incidents of an actual cover—the things such as the series title, issue number box, bar code, etc. that identify the product. That artwork may have in fact been used on the cover of a comic book, but if we're not using the cover itself then we can't claim the same fair use rationale. Postdlf 00:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-Class and good B-Class articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles on Comics? The articles for X-Men, Comics, Spider-Man and British comic look like class A articles. Please post your sugestions here. Cheers!-- Shanel 03:35, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the Dazzler info, I've added it. If you have any more to add please assess them and add them in to your project's listing. Thanks! For WP1.0, Walkerma 18:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
MSK insists on putting Ivy's status at "Active" as opposed to "Uncertain, possibly deceased" (which she is currently, in the comics), because in the other forms of media (ie cartoons) she's still alive (Newsflash: Comics aren't more important than anything else. Alive and well in cartoons and films....Well, the article shouldn't be biased towards comics: That's just because of the large amount of geeks on wikipedia that leads to bias.) -- DrBat 12:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Just thought I'd alert you all to what's going on over at User talk:Badbilltucker, mainly in the too many Comic Book Awards Almanac links! section.
For those of you who don't know, Badbilltucker has been adding awards that comics have been nominated for to each comics' article (irregardless of how they did in the awards) and then linking to websites where you can read up on those awards including winners etc. in the external links section of said articles. For example, he has been trying to add The story "Powerless" in the first issue of the series was a top votegetter for the Comics Buyer's Guide Fan Award for Favorite Story for 2001, as was "Confessions" (#13) for the same award for 2002 to the Ultimate Spidey page, when Powerless came 13th in said fan poll with 1.5% of the vote while Confessions came 9th with 1.8%.
In my (and I think others') opinions this is WAY overboard it is only worth mentioning the award on the comics' page if they actually won, and a website that lists all the winners over the years certainly shouldn't be in each pages' external links section. I've proposed a solution on the talk page, and I'd like you guys to all go and give your opinions on the matter over there. rst20xx 00:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Just now noted the discussion here, so it wasn't "refusing" to do so. I state that only in the interests of technical accuracy. Basically, all those which you have objected to are those votegetters who received what the people who (seemingly) conducted the poll thought received enough votes to be listed individually. If you will note, there also seem to be several "other" votegetters listed as the bottom of each award which are not individually listed, which given the number of votes of those individually listed, presumably number over 50. I am now in the process of putting in the additional Eisner, Harvey, and whatever nominations and awards. Actually, the total list seems to be about 75 pages triple-column smallest typeface, with all the other irrelevant data included (repetition, publisher and whatnot) as well. Also, you will note, if you choose to do so, that I have in fact removed the objected-to link from each of the pages I have "visited" since I was last told this and put the link to the awards INSTEAD on the CBG page itself. Also, as noted on the discussion page, I had earlier discussed this with someone who gave me the impression of being in some sort of official position that inclusion of the CBGs was in his eyes acceptable, presumably after he had looked at the lists I had referenced him too. I am sorry if the rest of you find this objectionable, but that person struck me as being in some sort of official or semi-official category and I accepted his conclusions. As I have stated before, with around 75 pages of small print to go through, it will take me a while to see if any of these also qualified for Eisner, Harvey, or whatever awards or nominations. If they did, then that presumably qualifies them as "significant". Those others which do not receive any such recognition from the 15 or so other awards which were decided upon as "relevant" for inclusion will probably be given short if any space come the final draft. At this point, however, with the amount of data to be included, I cannot determine which that shall be. And, again, if any of you can think of a better phrase than "top votegetter" for those with open nominations, I would welcome hearing it so that I can make the appropriate changes. Badbilltucker 16:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Hob, again, you have a point. However, again, please note that your first objection has been responded to already, regarding the elimination of the link, in those at those entries which I have visited since it was pointed out to me. This accounts for several of the "edits" you mentioned above. Currently, I will be adding the awards from the Eisners and Harveys, which are MUCH easier to work through, on a year-by-year basis. In terms of your objection above to the nominees, as opposed to winners, again, technically, you have a point. If it is your intention to state that nominations for such awards are in no way significant, I note that in some of the film personnel and other entires here that nominations are mentioned, often sometimes in detail. I hope that your reference above to my "sseing which of the 75 pages merit inclusion" was intended as a bit of a joke, and I was not intending on "reviewing them to determine which data merit inclusion". I was simply pointing out that it is probably not practical to pour through them all for any further data on a given "entry" before inclusion, as that would probably at least quadruple the time required. My apologies if you misunderstood it. If you object to my having responded to your notice quickly today, and not rereading things in advance to be able to provide specific data on the posts I mentioned, my apologies. However, I should note that I personally am probably going to able to spend any real time on this project for probably the next week, before I return to a job which involves regular relocation and often at least 60 hour-a-week scheduling, so I personally AM on a bit of a clock here. That might account for my "rushing" through things, as you stated. Badbilltucker 18:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments, Hob. At this point, given that you seem to be so much better informed than me, I believe ALL I will do is at the single pages for the awards and let the rest of you continue it without any of my unwanted input. Badbilltucker 20:03, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, Jamdav86. I edit conflicted you where exactly? :/ Anyways I do think that you may be right it's worth mentioning nominations for a comic if it then goes on to win the award. Hadn't thought of that. rst20xx 12:26, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh I see what you mean. We both made similar posts at around the same time :P Well I still think your comments definitely has merit cos you're probably right it's worth mentioning a nominati if that nominee goes on to win in a subsequent year. rst20xx 12:47, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed there are categories for Dark Horse Comics and Dark Horse titles. I don't see a reason for these competing categories to exist, and believe the latter should be merged into the former. Pc13 10:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody know where I can information on this character? I'm trying to write a wiki article, but I can't find any sites with info about him.-- Kross Talk 02:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed a page called " list of comicbooks" and I noticed Vampirella and Harris not being mentioned. So I am sure this list is not being maintained. Is this list a focus of this WikiProject Comics group? -- boomvavavoom 11:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Over at Talk:Maxiseries there is a bit of a debate going as to what a maxiseries is exactly. More precisely, Dyslexic agnostic believes that Identity/Infinite Crisis are maxiseries, while I and Lesfer do not. Dyslexic agnostic argues that due to the large impact of the two series they are "maxi", but I argue that they are not because 1. large impact or not they are two short and 2. most importantly I think that maxiseries should be self-contained (i.e. without tie-ins to loads of ongoing books). In addition to this, the recent run of Seven Soldiers miniseries further confuse the debate as to what constitutes a maxiseries.
I would value any opinions any of you would care to give at Talk:Maxiseries. Thanks, rst20xx 23:00, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
I added a longwinded entry into the "Cyberpathy" article's talk page and I'd like some other opinions. I decided not to copy/paste my writing on this page in order to conserve space. Just follow the link and give some feedback. Thanks. [ [2]] User:Arcanum7
I just found these articles. Could some comics expert take a long at this? Is this notable? I couldn't find the word "cimage book" at all on google. " Ecru: the Butcher of Balis" " Particle9 Productions" " Cimage book" Garion96 (talk) 00:13, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
An idea just came to mind: A barnstar specifically for editors of comic articles. Might be a nice bit of encouragement to get an award for working hard on articles. That, and there are editors who deserve one. :)-- Kross | Talk 23:42, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Clearly, this is an unsoliciated opinion. However, it seems to me that if a series, character, or creator has their own individual "page" deleted, it might be useful to put the essential "skeleton" data on that entity into a master list, say, for example, the list of DC Comics titles, if it were to qualify there. This would make it less likely that people would think that the title has been overlooked, and would provide at least the essential data on the entry. The Bibliography of Batman titles I think would serve as a good example of how this might be done. Badbilltucker 23:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Are Elseworlds info supposed to be in the SHB? Personally I think it shouldn't. What if people decide to enter data about every single version of some character? I think only official data (valid/current/main continuity) should be presented in SHB. No elseworlds continuity, no Animated continuity. Lesfer 04:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
P.S.: If you wanna take a look at a REALLY messed up superhero box, check John Constantine. -- Ace ETP 06:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
There's a short straw poll opened at Talk:List of limited series#Building consensus to try and build consensus on the popularity, definitions and usage of the phrases "Mini-series", "Maxi-series" and "Limited series". Appreciate it if you can all share your thoughts. Hiding talk 15:01, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I stumbled across the following articles at Wikipedia:Shortpages. Anyone know a bit more than me who can clean them up or expand them?
Thanks for any help you can offer, Hiding talk 21:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I've suggested that the current definition of a limited series be changed so as to include series like Y: The Last Man where the writer anounced that the series would have a limited run after it had begun. I'd appreciate if you could share your thoughts on this subject at Talk:List of limited series#Y, Ex Machina and the current definition of limited series
Cheers,
Iron Ghost 00:26, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Please join the discussion here, to help decide the correct naming for the Direct market article. Thanks ike9898 21:54, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
User:GodzillaWax -- whom, for full discloure, I've asked Administrators to block from the Daredevil page for his wholesale reversions, fancruft, and flame-throwing -- says of Jack Kirby in the context that follows, "Marvel does not recognize him as a creator, so neither should wikipedia". [3]
The context is whether Kirby helped create Daredevil with Stan Lee and Bill Everett. A footnote I placed on the Daredevil page, with the link to the cited source gives hsitorian Mark Evanier's upshot after speaking personally with Kirby and Everett. Leaving aside what those first-person sources said, User:GodzillaWax simply responded with the above, and latter justified this with "Marvel owns Daredevil" [4].
Here's the thing: Marvel did not credit Steve Ditko as Spider-Man's co-creator for decades, until the first Raimi movie. Joe Simon had to battle Marvel for decades to get credit for co-creating Captain America. In both cases -- and in many that never reach such public scrutiny -- Marvel (and DC, etc.) may say someone is not a creator, but I feelt that doesn't make it a fact. And I don't believe "Marvel owns the character" has any bearing on who created it. The recent Gerard Jones book on the hsitory of comics, for instance, gives plenty of examples of companies denying creators credits.
"Marvel does not recognize him as a creator, so neither should wikipedia." That to me is like saying (as the tobacco companies did for years), "RJ Reynolds does not not recognize smoking causes cancer, so neither should wikipedia." There's a basic issue here: Corporations can claim anythng they want, but that doesn't make it true.
The issue of creator credits is a central point of many creative fields, not just comics, of course. In terms of the Wiki Comics Project, should we state only what Marvel states in such cases, and, as GodzillaWax did, delete Kirby's name where Marvel doesn't specifically give him a creator credit? -- Tenebrae 21:22, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
GodzillaWax 18:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, here's an odd question, and I'm sure I'll get flamed for it - has anyone thought of adding information the weird storyline where Frank Castle kills himself and is turned into an agent of God to Punisher? He gets imbued with mystical powers and his origin is tied to that of a demon, or somesuch. It's definitely not a very good story... and obviously not canon, but was likely planned as a revamp of the character (which was pretty much unacceptable). If not, I can dig up some of the issues I got which mention that, and add an entry. I want to, but I don't know if I should make it as a separate article due to the fact that the story is definitely not canon, and would probably benefit from being separate. Any thoughts? Kitsune Sniper / David Silva 05:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Could you someone take a look at Booklets. it used to be a redirect before someone made it into an article. It seems...well..weird anyway. But just to be sure, I thought I would check it out here. Garion96 (talk) 19:20, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
-I posted a link to this entry into the Cyberpathy talk page, which for some reason not a single person responded to. So now here's the whole thing on this talk page, enjoy.-
I understand that in many other forms of fiction, cyberpathy means to "Psionically interact with computers/machines".I think a more accurate term for that said definition in Marvel would be "Technopathy". So, I think we could either: 1)Rewrite the article name as "Technopathy" and Possibly intergrate "Cyberpathy" into the Eidetic memory article mentioning that Sage's cyberpathy is a superhuman version of EM or 2)Rewrite the search so that both "Cyberpathy" and "Technopathy" redirect here but rename the article "Technopathy" as well, and mention that the terms are usually somewhat interchangable but there is a distinction when the term "Cyberpathy" is applied to Sage(and possibly the rest of the MU).It's been shown that Claremont's (and thus Marvel's) definition of Cyberpathy strictly means "Computer-Like Mind". Which entails these abilities as seen directly in the comic:
-Understand and catalogue genetic information from her scanning ability
-Record everything she thinks and perceives with perfect clarity
-Summon any of her stored data at will for
-Run multiple simultaneous thought processes and interact with computer mainframes at an equal-or-greater rate of computing (The administrator of UncannyXMen.net that wrote the description specifically states that the so-called "interaction" is is purely physical[typing, etc.], or also simply processing what appears on screens as fast as a computer, and is not psionic in nature)
-Perform highly accurate analyses of her surroundings, enabling her to anticipate and counter physical attacks on reflex or concoct elaborate conclusions and strategies with great speed
--This power description comes from UncannyX-Men.net which isn't official, but all information is taken directly from the comics and other canon sources. The site is incredibly reliable and in many cases more accurate than Marvel's own official site.
Also there are instances when other members of the X-Men that posses no psionic ablilities interact mentally with the cyber-glasses (Bishop in Uncanny X-Men #460). It is implied that the hardware/software that Sage uses for the glasses is simply calibrated to interpret *any* brainwave patterns (Similar to the way a previous visor used by Cyclops that was triggered to open on mental command. It should be noted that the current visor Cyclops uses is possibly triggered by a mechanism in his glove). The only instance when she psionically interfaces with hardware is when the Fury's nanites take control of her mind, which doesn't count because it is an outside source. (Uncanny X-Men #446)
Obviously these are pretty big changes, so I would like to know what the WikiComic community thinks. Arcanum7
Marc Bryant has mainly been edited by Marc himself, and by anon IPs that are mainly interested in Marc Bryant. I'm not an expert on comics, so I'd appreciate it if someone could determine if Marc is notable, or whether this is merely advertising. Thanks, Andjam 00:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
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I've noticed the Newsarama website still doesn't have an article. Newsarama is one of the most informative websites about comics, and it has an Alexa ranking of 6,494 [1], so it should qualify for notability. However, I did find Talk @ Newsarama in the Wikipedia, talking about the Newsarama forum, of all things. It was created in August and has somehow survived this long with an AFD nomination. -- Pc13 00:23, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Currently IDW Publishing redirects to List of current IDW Publishing publications, which is not only a bad idea, but the article itself is a mess. Nothing links there, it's disorganized, and it's out of date. Can somebody move the article to IDW Publishing and then tidy it up? - leigh (φθόγγος) 17:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
There's been some discussion at User talk:Badbilltucker about the addition of comics award information, and I thought this might be a better place to talk about it.
Badbilltucker has undertaken a massive project to add information from a number of references, especially the Comic Book Awards Almanac. This has raised several questions (at least for me), mainly:
My opinions about these are probably obvious from the way I asked the questions, but I really do want to see what others think. ← Hob 20:23, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I would simply note that at least on Eisner and Harvey Awards pages, only the winners, not the nominees, are listed. 128.252.173.124 18:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
The articles contributed by SwitChar ( talk · contribs) look suspiciously like fanfic or some unpublished non-notable stuff. I can't verify them with a quick Google search, which is odd for pop cultural topics. Some of his contributions are:
The articles claim Edwin Jobling and Kieran Murphy as creators of these comics characters, but I don't really find anything on those either (there is a medical professor Kieran Murphy and a guitar player by the same name who get the top hits).
Not a thorough search but enough to awake suspicion. However, there may be stuff I am unaware of. u p p l a n d 15:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Two more things just got added to this: The Crutched Crusader and Category: Silent Comics characters. All go ahead and do the deletes on these.-- Mitsukai 16:24, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm noticing a lot of Marvel characters' descriptions being listed as "Depowered" on the basis of the Wizard magazine list, but the list in question is badly faulty since it includes non-mutants and a couple of characters who are already confirmed as non-depowered. If you're reading this, please do NOT alter characters' entries based solely on that list - SoM 21:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
I think this project could benefit from a style guide (maybe as a sub-page) as I find many noticeable differences between how things are stylized between articles. Just a suggestion. KramarDanIkabu 06:05, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
I've noticed a bias in image selection towards more recent samples of character images, which are not necessarily representative of how that character has been represented and known throughout most of its history (see Quicksilver for a good example). Wikipedia shouldn't be the 2006 Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe; as cultural historians, we shouldn't give improper weight to the most recent product or trend. I wonder how much of a problem this is in article text as well, due to the tendency of some fan contributors to focus on what is the canon flavor of the month rather than on a balanced overview of how a character has been portrayed at different times. Thoughts? Postdlf 23:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Another problem with comic book article images, also illustrated by Quicksilver's article—it's billed as a comic book cover, yet the image bears none of the identifying incidents of an actual cover—the things such as the series title, issue number box, bar code, etc. that identify the product. That artwork may have in fact been used on the cover of a comic book, but if we're not using the cover itself then we can't claim the same fair use rationale. Postdlf 00:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I'm a member of the Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Wikipedia for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-Class and good B-Class articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles on Comics? The articles for X-Men, Comics, Spider-Man and British comic look like class A articles. Please post your sugestions here. Cheers!-- Shanel 03:35, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the Dazzler info, I've added it. If you have any more to add please assess them and add them in to your project's listing. Thanks! For WP1.0, Walkerma 18:05, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
MSK insists on putting Ivy's status at "Active" as opposed to "Uncertain, possibly deceased" (which she is currently, in the comics), because in the other forms of media (ie cartoons) she's still alive (Newsflash: Comics aren't more important than anything else. Alive and well in cartoons and films....Well, the article shouldn't be biased towards comics: That's just because of the large amount of geeks on wikipedia that leads to bias.) -- DrBat 12:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Just thought I'd alert you all to what's going on over at User talk:Badbilltucker, mainly in the too many Comic Book Awards Almanac links! section.
For those of you who don't know, Badbilltucker has been adding awards that comics have been nominated for to each comics' article (irregardless of how they did in the awards) and then linking to websites where you can read up on those awards including winners etc. in the external links section of said articles. For example, he has been trying to add The story "Powerless" in the first issue of the series was a top votegetter for the Comics Buyer's Guide Fan Award for Favorite Story for 2001, as was "Confessions" (#13) for the same award for 2002 to the Ultimate Spidey page, when Powerless came 13th in said fan poll with 1.5% of the vote while Confessions came 9th with 1.8%.
In my (and I think others') opinions this is WAY overboard it is only worth mentioning the award on the comics' page if they actually won, and a website that lists all the winners over the years certainly shouldn't be in each pages' external links section. I've proposed a solution on the talk page, and I'd like you guys to all go and give your opinions on the matter over there. rst20xx 00:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Just now noted the discussion here, so it wasn't "refusing" to do so. I state that only in the interests of technical accuracy. Basically, all those which you have objected to are those votegetters who received what the people who (seemingly) conducted the poll thought received enough votes to be listed individually. If you will note, there also seem to be several "other" votegetters listed as the bottom of each award which are not individually listed, which given the number of votes of those individually listed, presumably number over 50. I am now in the process of putting in the additional Eisner, Harvey, and whatever nominations and awards. Actually, the total list seems to be about 75 pages triple-column smallest typeface, with all the other irrelevant data included (repetition, publisher and whatnot) as well. Also, you will note, if you choose to do so, that I have in fact removed the objected-to link from each of the pages I have "visited" since I was last told this and put the link to the awards INSTEAD on the CBG page itself. Also, as noted on the discussion page, I had earlier discussed this with someone who gave me the impression of being in some sort of official position that inclusion of the CBGs was in his eyes acceptable, presumably after he had looked at the lists I had referenced him too. I am sorry if the rest of you find this objectionable, but that person struck me as being in some sort of official or semi-official category and I accepted his conclusions. As I have stated before, with around 75 pages of small print to go through, it will take me a while to see if any of these also qualified for Eisner, Harvey, or whatever awards or nominations. If they did, then that presumably qualifies them as "significant". Those others which do not receive any such recognition from the 15 or so other awards which were decided upon as "relevant" for inclusion will probably be given short if any space come the final draft. At this point, however, with the amount of data to be included, I cannot determine which that shall be. And, again, if any of you can think of a better phrase than "top votegetter" for those with open nominations, I would welcome hearing it so that I can make the appropriate changes. Badbilltucker 16:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Hob, again, you have a point. However, again, please note that your first objection has been responded to already, regarding the elimination of the link, in those at those entries which I have visited since it was pointed out to me. This accounts for several of the "edits" you mentioned above. Currently, I will be adding the awards from the Eisners and Harveys, which are MUCH easier to work through, on a year-by-year basis. In terms of your objection above to the nominees, as opposed to winners, again, technically, you have a point. If it is your intention to state that nominations for such awards are in no way significant, I note that in some of the film personnel and other entires here that nominations are mentioned, often sometimes in detail. I hope that your reference above to my "sseing which of the 75 pages merit inclusion" was intended as a bit of a joke, and I was not intending on "reviewing them to determine which data merit inclusion". I was simply pointing out that it is probably not practical to pour through them all for any further data on a given "entry" before inclusion, as that would probably at least quadruple the time required. My apologies if you misunderstood it. If you object to my having responded to your notice quickly today, and not rereading things in advance to be able to provide specific data on the posts I mentioned, my apologies. However, I should note that I personally am probably going to able to spend any real time on this project for probably the next week, before I return to a job which involves regular relocation and often at least 60 hour-a-week scheduling, so I personally AM on a bit of a clock here. That might account for my "rushing" through things, as you stated. Badbilltucker 18:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments, Hob. At this point, given that you seem to be so much better informed than me, I believe ALL I will do is at the single pages for the awards and let the rest of you continue it without any of my unwanted input. Badbilltucker 20:03, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, Jamdav86. I edit conflicted you where exactly? :/ Anyways I do think that you may be right it's worth mentioning nominations for a comic if it then goes on to win the award. Hadn't thought of that. rst20xx 12:26, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh I see what you mean. We both made similar posts at around the same time :P Well I still think your comments definitely has merit cos you're probably right it's worth mentioning a nominati if that nominee goes on to win in a subsequent year. rst20xx 12:47, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed there are categories for Dark Horse Comics and Dark Horse titles. I don't see a reason for these competing categories to exist, and believe the latter should be merged into the former. Pc13 10:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Does anybody know where I can information on this character? I'm trying to write a wiki article, but I can't find any sites with info about him.-- Kross Talk 02:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
I just noticed a page called " list of comicbooks" and I noticed Vampirella and Harris not being mentioned. So I am sure this list is not being maintained. Is this list a focus of this WikiProject Comics group? -- boomvavavoom 11:59, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Over at Talk:Maxiseries there is a bit of a debate going as to what a maxiseries is exactly. More precisely, Dyslexic agnostic believes that Identity/Infinite Crisis are maxiseries, while I and Lesfer do not. Dyslexic agnostic argues that due to the large impact of the two series they are "maxi", but I argue that they are not because 1. large impact or not they are two short and 2. most importantly I think that maxiseries should be self-contained (i.e. without tie-ins to loads of ongoing books). In addition to this, the recent run of Seven Soldiers miniseries further confuse the debate as to what constitutes a maxiseries.
I would value any opinions any of you would care to give at Talk:Maxiseries. Thanks, rst20xx 23:00, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
I added a longwinded entry into the "Cyberpathy" article's talk page and I'd like some other opinions. I decided not to copy/paste my writing on this page in order to conserve space. Just follow the link and give some feedback. Thanks. [ [2]] User:Arcanum7
I just found these articles. Could some comics expert take a long at this? Is this notable? I couldn't find the word "cimage book" at all on google. " Ecru: the Butcher of Balis" " Particle9 Productions" " Cimage book" Garion96 (talk) 00:13, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
An idea just came to mind: A barnstar specifically for editors of comic articles. Might be a nice bit of encouragement to get an award for working hard on articles. That, and there are editors who deserve one. :)-- Kross | Talk 23:42, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
Clearly, this is an unsoliciated opinion. However, it seems to me that if a series, character, or creator has their own individual "page" deleted, it might be useful to put the essential "skeleton" data on that entity into a master list, say, for example, the list of DC Comics titles, if it were to qualify there. This would make it less likely that people would think that the title has been overlooked, and would provide at least the essential data on the entry. The Bibliography of Batman titles I think would serve as a good example of how this might be done. Badbilltucker 23:03, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
Are Elseworlds info supposed to be in the SHB? Personally I think it shouldn't. What if people decide to enter data about every single version of some character? I think only official data (valid/current/main continuity) should be presented in SHB. No elseworlds continuity, no Animated continuity. Lesfer 04:02, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
P.S.: If you wanna take a look at a REALLY messed up superhero box, check John Constantine. -- Ace ETP 06:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
There's a short straw poll opened at Talk:List of limited series#Building consensus to try and build consensus on the popularity, definitions and usage of the phrases "Mini-series", "Maxi-series" and "Limited series". Appreciate it if you can all share your thoughts. Hiding talk 15:01, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I stumbled across the following articles at Wikipedia:Shortpages. Anyone know a bit more than me who can clean them up or expand them?
Thanks for any help you can offer, Hiding talk 21:20, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I've suggested that the current definition of a limited series be changed so as to include series like Y: The Last Man where the writer anounced that the series would have a limited run after it had begun. I'd appreciate if you could share your thoughts on this subject at Talk:List of limited series#Y, Ex Machina and the current definition of limited series
Cheers,
Iron Ghost 00:26, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Please join the discussion here, to help decide the correct naming for the Direct market article. Thanks ike9898 21:54, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
User:GodzillaWax -- whom, for full discloure, I've asked Administrators to block from the Daredevil page for his wholesale reversions, fancruft, and flame-throwing -- says of Jack Kirby in the context that follows, "Marvel does not recognize him as a creator, so neither should wikipedia". [3]
The context is whether Kirby helped create Daredevil with Stan Lee and Bill Everett. A footnote I placed on the Daredevil page, with the link to the cited source gives hsitorian Mark Evanier's upshot after speaking personally with Kirby and Everett. Leaving aside what those first-person sources said, User:GodzillaWax simply responded with the above, and latter justified this with "Marvel owns Daredevil" [4].
Here's the thing: Marvel did not credit Steve Ditko as Spider-Man's co-creator for decades, until the first Raimi movie. Joe Simon had to battle Marvel for decades to get credit for co-creating Captain America. In both cases -- and in many that never reach such public scrutiny -- Marvel (and DC, etc.) may say someone is not a creator, but I feelt that doesn't make it a fact. And I don't believe "Marvel owns the character" has any bearing on who created it. The recent Gerard Jones book on the hsitory of comics, for instance, gives plenty of examples of companies denying creators credits.
"Marvel does not recognize him as a creator, so neither should wikipedia." That to me is like saying (as the tobacco companies did for years), "RJ Reynolds does not not recognize smoking causes cancer, so neither should wikipedia." There's a basic issue here: Corporations can claim anythng they want, but that doesn't make it true.
The issue of creator credits is a central point of many creative fields, not just comics, of course. In terms of the Wiki Comics Project, should we state only what Marvel states in such cases, and, as GodzillaWax did, delete Kirby's name where Marvel doesn't specifically give him a creator credit? -- Tenebrae 21:22, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
GodzillaWax 18:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, here's an odd question, and I'm sure I'll get flamed for it - has anyone thought of adding information the weird storyline where Frank Castle kills himself and is turned into an agent of God to Punisher? He gets imbued with mystical powers and his origin is tied to that of a demon, or somesuch. It's definitely not a very good story... and obviously not canon, but was likely planned as a revamp of the character (which was pretty much unacceptable). If not, I can dig up some of the issues I got which mention that, and add an entry. I want to, but I don't know if I should make it as a separate article due to the fact that the story is definitely not canon, and would probably benefit from being separate. Any thoughts? Kitsune Sniper / David Silva 05:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Could you someone take a look at Booklets. it used to be a redirect before someone made it into an article. It seems...well..weird anyway. But just to be sure, I thought I would check it out here. Garion96 (talk) 19:20, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
-I posted a link to this entry into the Cyberpathy talk page, which for some reason not a single person responded to. So now here's the whole thing on this talk page, enjoy.-
I understand that in many other forms of fiction, cyberpathy means to "Psionically interact with computers/machines".I think a more accurate term for that said definition in Marvel would be "Technopathy". So, I think we could either: 1)Rewrite the article name as "Technopathy" and Possibly intergrate "Cyberpathy" into the Eidetic memory article mentioning that Sage's cyberpathy is a superhuman version of EM or 2)Rewrite the search so that both "Cyberpathy" and "Technopathy" redirect here but rename the article "Technopathy" as well, and mention that the terms are usually somewhat interchangable but there is a distinction when the term "Cyberpathy" is applied to Sage(and possibly the rest of the MU).It's been shown that Claremont's (and thus Marvel's) definition of Cyberpathy strictly means "Computer-Like Mind". Which entails these abilities as seen directly in the comic:
-Understand and catalogue genetic information from her scanning ability
-Record everything she thinks and perceives with perfect clarity
-Summon any of her stored data at will for
-Run multiple simultaneous thought processes and interact with computer mainframes at an equal-or-greater rate of computing (The administrator of UncannyXMen.net that wrote the description specifically states that the so-called "interaction" is is purely physical[typing, etc.], or also simply processing what appears on screens as fast as a computer, and is not psionic in nature)
-Perform highly accurate analyses of her surroundings, enabling her to anticipate and counter physical attacks on reflex or concoct elaborate conclusions and strategies with great speed
--This power description comes from UncannyX-Men.net which isn't official, but all information is taken directly from the comics and other canon sources. The site is incredibly reliable and in many cases more accurate than Marvel's own official site.
Also there are instances when other members of the X-Men that posses no psionic ablilities interact mentally with the cyber-glasses (Bishop in Uncanny X-Men #460). It is implied that the hardware/software that Sage uses for the glasses is simply calibrated to interpret *any* brainwave patterns (Similar to the way a previous visor used by Cyclops that was triggered to open on mental command. It should be noted that the current visor Cyclops uses is possibly triggered by a mechanism in his glove). The only instance when she psionically interfaces with hardware is when the Fury's nanites take control of her mind, which doesn't count because it is an outside source. (Uncanny X-Men #446)
Obviously these are pretty big changes, so I would like to know what the WikiComic community thinks. Arcanum7
Marc Bryant has mainly been edited by Marc himself, and by anon IPs that are mainly interested in Marc Bryant. I'm not an expert on comics, so I'd appreciate it if someone could determine if Marc is notable, or whether this is merely advertising. Thanks, Andjam 00:34, 1 February 2006 (UTC)