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FYI: UTRS might be unavailable on 2020-09-16 between 14:00-17:00 UTC due to
scheduled Cloud VPS maintenance. The downtime should not last the whole window, it will just be somewhere in it and according to the announcement will generally be measured in minutes rather than hours
. –
Majavah
talk ·
edits 16:56, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Is there an alternative we can offer them when we ban them for multiple inadequate UTRS requests? ArbCom? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:16, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Typo of appellant needs fixing. Cabayi ( talk) 15:01, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a discussion at WP:AN#Appeals of locked + blocked accounts relevant to UTRS. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
There is currently a proposal (not made by me) to replace UTRS through the Community Wishlist Survey 2021. Please feel free to comment over there. Direct ping @ Boing! said Zebedee and Deepfriedokra: as requested as this would be another major functionality change. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 08:27, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
are not working. I filled a request at GitHub. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:40, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Hello. I see something which says:
For Wikipedia Administrators only, if you need assistance with the tool, such as banning a user or assistance with an appeal, please contact.
I think it should be:
For Wikipedia Administrators only, if you need assistance with the tool, such as banning a user or assistance with an appeal, please contact:
Can you please do that? Thanks! amonguslover ( contact me here) 13:57, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Now that legacy appeals from the old UTRS have been carried over to the new UTRS, and all appeals are accessible on the one system, can we fix the interwiki link situation?
I wanted to make reference to a UTRS appeal in a block last night. Using the template {{
utrs|46464}}
won't work in the block log, and the iw link
utrs:46464 is still pointing to the unused system. Thanks,
Cabayi (
talk) 05:57, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
It has broken my heart that I have done nothing wrong, yet my IP Adress was not only banned feom editing wikipedia, but even banned from sending a block-appeal, and that just feels so cruel considering it defeats their purpose of fixing any misunderstanding. In my first message I am testing if this messager will work, but for now, i'll just await a helpful response. 97.101.253.244 ( talk) 22:40, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Since we have no way of knowing who is filing each appeal, LTA's can claim to be other users with abusive posts that result in the impersonated user being banned from UTRS. We have no way of knowing who it is we are talking to. I have posted a UTRS notice on a talk pages and have gotten the response, "oh, that was not me." I've had an LTA brag on my talk page about getting someone banned from UTRS. They were quite smug about. Is there a solution? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
nice to see I'm still loved. . . . -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:08, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Yamla: Heh! -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:09, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
I got a blocage for no clear reason I received a notification that my wiki account including the IP address were blocked without any reason, can you please explain and help to understand why Wikipedia is reacting this way!? IlhamAlami ( talk) 09:03, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I logged into UTRS for the first time today, and was told it would be minutes until the system recognises me as an admin and gives me access. That was several hours ago, so I am now posting here as per the UTRS instructions. Am I unworthy? — Kusma ( talk) 18:46, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Just noting the same has been happening to me. No rush! DatGuy Talk Contribs 15:37, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
I have been banned from using UTRS for unable to formulate adequate unblock request. consensus to ban can you to lift the ban that I promise can make a proper Unblock request by 2 weeks please? 41.68.71.215 ( talk) 09:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
OK my your user account is Moatassemakmal and I've been blocked and banned for my diruptive editing ,my current block evasion and sockpuppetteering, and my recent usage of death threats and threats of physical violences which I regrettably apologizing to you Yamla for lashing you out with anger I accepted my full personal responsibility to all my recent actions and I was worst user of all time and my main goal is to undo my serious collateral damage that I created so can you ask Deepfriedokra lift the ban please?
Not seeing new UTRS tickets. -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 21:48, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Just wondering, does UTRS only work for Wikipedia, or can it also be used for other Wikimedia projects? (Assuming, of course, that one has a user account on Wikipedia and on, say, Wikivoyage.) Shāntián Tàiláng ( talk) 14:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
I now have three UTRS appeals which are totally being ignored. I want to know if the standard offer applies to global locks, meaning when the six month time period is up, I am elligible to be unlocked and unblocked. 1.145.142.242 ( talk) 09:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I was poking around UTRS tonight, logged in, and I received the error "Notice: You do not have the necessary permissions to view appeals on any queues." on page https://utrs-beta.wmflabs.org/review after logging in using ORES. As an admin, I should be able to see something on this page, right? Anything I need to do on my end? Thanks for your help. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 05:27, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
We often see UTRS tickets which have not been verified to the purported account. This allows for abuse by LTA's whose only means of disruption is via UTRS. Recently, a user's block was extended and TPA removed based on such a ticket. In a subsequent, unverified ticket, poster mocked us for having acted on the previous ticket. Do we need a rule to not take action against an account based on UTRS, particular when the poster has not been verified to an account? -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 14:18, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
FWIW, I recuse from UTRS appeal #77629 and UTRS appeal #77620 -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 17:39, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
I routinely try to stay out of the affairs of the unblock admins as I feel I have too much a vested interest being the developer of the tool. That being said, I'm concerned with the P2P proxy block template. It both refuses to assist a user affected by said block, and throws a slightly modified version of the regular proxy block template at the users. Beyond that it points the user to the meta page, which points to the stewards as a point to complain to. English Wikipedia hands out it's own peer to peer proxy blocks frequently, which the stewards have no ability to override unless they contact one of their English Wikipedia admin colleagues. So the buck is being passed here.
The other problem with this, is peer-to-peer proxy blocks are very similar to range blocks. There are legitimate editors behind it, who have done nothing wrong and no power to do anything to not be editing from P2P proxies. P2P proxies by nature are at their basics a shared IP where one user on that IP employs a proxy, but none of the other users have access to it (nor have a need for it).
I think we need to improve our response to these types of blocks. -- Amanda (she/her) 20:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
We recently had a suggestion to add a parallel system on Commons. I was wondering: how often does this process on en-wiki result in someone being reinstated? I'm guessing that the number is quite low, but if I'm wrong then it makes more sense for Commons to consider it.
Please ping me if responding, I don't currently maintain a watchlist on en-wiki. - Jmabel | Talk 18:32, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
I’m posting here as I’d like to get community input on this. (I’ve already emailed Oversight, but they confirmed that there was nothing that required suppression under the Oversight policy, so I’m assuming it’s ok to talk about on-wiki.)
Let’s say that Logged-in User X has a (non-anon-only) block that’s been placed on an IP address they use. They don’t want to reveal their IP address on-wiki, so they follow the instructions in the block notice and submit a request through UTRS, for the IP block underneath their account to be lifted.
After investigating, let’s say the responding administrator determines that the IP block was misplaced. They unblock it, and include the UTRS # in the unblock reason field so that it’s clear to other editors/admins why the block was removed.
This on its own isn’t a privacy issue, I don’t think. However, the problem is that there is an automatically-updated page on-wiki that contains a list of all UTRS appeals: User:AmandaNP/UTRS Appeals. When User X submitted their appeal, it will have been added to the table, along with the UTRS # and their username.
Therefore, because of the existence of this table, the unblocked IP address can be connected to User X completely on-wiki — by using the appeals table to determine a username from the UTRS #. This is despite the fact that User X appealed through UTRS (rather than on their talk page) specifically because they didn’t want this to happen. [a]
This isn’t just a hypothetical situation. There are several situations I’ve found where an editor’s IP address seems to have been inadvertently revealed on-wiki in this manner (hence my contact with Oversight prior to posting this publicly).
I don’t know what the solution is here. I’m posting it on-wiki because I’m hoping that members of the community might have an idea of what might be best.
Notes
UTRS appeal #92849 is open.
All the best, user: A smart kitten meow 08:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
unblocking per UTRS #63829, and the UTRS table contains a row that connects #63829 to User:Example2, then isn’t that effectively revealing an IP address of user Example2? I don’t mean to imply that things haven’t been properly considered, just wanted to share a concern that came to my mind. Sorry if how I wrote it lead it to come across as the former. Best, user: A smart kitten meow 18:32, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
I clicked on a link ( here) to utrs-beta.wmflabs.org/appeal/80761, whereupon I was told
I'm an admin here in en:WP. (Actually I was always under the impression that this did not let me see OTRS/VRT/UTRS stuff.) But:
I tried again after a few minutes. But:
It haven't, even though I waited more than a couple of minutes. (Not that I much mind; I'm just dutifully complying with the request to contact you, as a working system might help another user who, unlike me, needs to be able to read what's written.) -- Hoary ( talk) 02:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
I've been getting "utrs-beta.wmflabs.org took too long to respond" all day. Kind of nice not to have to deal with the death threats, but I presume they'll pile up anyway. If this isn't the right place to report this, let me know where is. -- Yamla ( talk) 22:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
please unblock my ip I don't no who is use my ip 154.192.18.14 ( talk) 21:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
to all who help at UTRS. Please remember, appellants don't see the comments in the comment box that leave a comment in green. For the appellant to see your reply, you need to click the "reply to user box." Thnaks -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 11:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Could someone action this item? I recuse. Thanks -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 18:19, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
There is at least one template at UTRS, "Refer to ArbCom ~ CheckUser block", that contains now-outdated instructions per the bottom of the current ArbCom noticeboard revision. ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 20:29, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
FYI: UTRS might be unavailable on 2020-09-16 between 14:00-17:00 UTC due to
scheduled Cloud VPS maintenance. The downtime should not last the whole window, it will just be somewhere in it and according to the announcement will generally be measured in minutes rather than hours
. –
Majavah
talk ·
edits 16:56, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Is there an alternative we can offer them when we ban them for multiple inadequate UTRS requests? ArbCom? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:16, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Typo of appellant needs fixing. Cabayi ( talk) 15:01, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a discussion at WP:AN#Appeals of locked + blocked accounts relevant to UTRS. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
There is currently a proposal (not made by me) to replace UTRS through the Community Wishlist Survey 2021. Please feel free to comment over there. Direct ping @ Boing! said Zebedee and Deepfriedokra: as requested as this would be another major functionality change. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 08:27, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
are not working. I filled a request at GitHub. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 22:40, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
This
edit request to
Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Hello. I see something which says:
For Wikipedia Administrators only, if you need assistance with the tool, such as banning a user or assistance with an appeal, please contact.
I think it should be:
For Wikipedia Administrators only, if you need assistance with the tool, such as banning a user or assistance with an appeal, please contact:
Can you please do that? Thanks! amonguslover ( contact me here) 13:57, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Now that legacy appeals from the old UTRS have been carried over to the new UTRS, and all appeals are accessible on the one system, can we fix the interwiki link situation?
I wanted to make reference to a UTRS appeal in a block last night. Using the template {{
utrs|46464}}
won't work in the block log, and the iw link
utrs:46464 is still pointing to the unused system. Thanks,
Cabayi (
talk) 05:57, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
It has broken my heart that I have done nothing wrong, yet my IP Adress was not only banned feom editing wikipedia, but even banned from sending a block-appeal, and that just feels so cruel considering it defeats their purpose of fixing any misunderstanding. In my first message I am testing if this messager will work, but for now, i'll just await a helpful response. 97.101.253.244 ( talk) 22:40, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Since we have no way of knowing who is filing each appeal, LTA's can claim to be other users with abusive posts that result in the impersonated user being banned from UTRS. We have no way of knowing who it is we are talking to. I have posted a UTRS notice on a talk pages and have gotten the response, "oh, that was not me." I've had an LTA brag on my talk page about getting someone banned from UTRS. They were quite smug about. Is there a solution? -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 19:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
nice to see I'm still loved. . . . -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:08, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Yamla: Heh! -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 14:09, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
I got a blocage for no clear reason I received a notification that my wiki account including the IP address were blocked without any reason, can you please explain and help to understand why Wikipedia is reacting this way!? IlhamAlami ( talk) 09:03, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
I logged into UTRS for the first time today, and was told it would be minutes until the system recognises me as an admin and gives me access. That was several hours ago, so I am now posting here as per the UTRS instructions. Am I unworthy? — Kusma ( talk) 18:46, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Just noting the same has been happening to me. No rush! DatGuy Talk Contribs 15:37, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
I have been banned from using UTRS for unable to formulate adequate unblock request. consensus to ban can you to lift the ban that I promise can make a proper Unblock request by 2 weeks please? 41.68.71.215 ( talk) 09:57, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
OK my your user account is Moatassemakmal and I've been blocked and banned for my diruptive editing ,my current block evasion and sockpuppetteering, and my recent usage of death threats and threats of physical violences which I regrettably apologizing to you Yamla for lashing you out with anger I accepted my full personal responsibility to all my recent actions and I was worst user of all time and my main goal is to undo my serious collateral damage that I created so can you ask Deepfriedokra lift the ban please?
Not seeing new UTRS tickets. -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 21:48, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
Just wondering, does UTRS only work for Wikipedia, or can it also be used for other Wikimedia projects? (Assuming, of course, that one has a user account on Wikipedia and on, say, Wikivoyage.) Shāntián Tàiláng ( talk) 14:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
I now have three UTRS appeals which are totally being ignored. I want to know if the standard offer applies to global locks, meaning when the six month time period is up, I am elligible to be unlocked and unblocked. 1.145.142.242 ( talk) 09:33, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello. I was poking around UTRS tonight, logged in, and I received the error "Notice: You do not have the necessary permissions to view appeals on any queues." on page https://utrs-beta.wmflabs.org/review after logging in using ORES. As an admin, I should be able to see something on this page, right? Anything I need to do on my end? Thanks for your help. – Novem Linguae ( talk) 05:27, 18 June 2023 (UTC)
We often see UTRS tickets which have not been verified to the purported account. This allows for abuse by LTA's whose only means of disruption is via UTRS. Recently, a user's block was extended and TPA removed based on such a ticket. In a subsequent, unverified ticket, poster mocked us for having acted on the previous ticket. Do we need a rule to not take action against an account based on UTRS, particular when the poster has not been verified to an account? -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 14:18, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
FWIW, I recuse from UTRS appeal #77629 and UTRS appeal #77620 -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 17:39, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
I routinely try to stay out of the affairs of the unblock admins as I feel I have too much a vested interest being the developer of the tool. That being said, I'm concerned with the P2P proxy block template. It both refuses to assist a user affected by said block, and throws a slightly modified version of the regular proxy block template at the users. Beyond that it points the user to the meta page, which points to the stewards as a point to complain to. English Wikipedia hands out it's own peer to peer proxy blocks frequently, which the stewards have no ability to override unless they contact one of their English Wikipedia admin colleagues. So the buck is being passed here.
The other problem with this, is peer-to-peer proxy blocks are very similar to range blocks. There are legitimate editors behind it, who have done nothing wrong and no power to do anything to not be editing from P2P proxies. P2P proxies by nature are at their basics a shared IP where one user on that IP employs a proxy, but none of the other users have access to it (nor have a need for it).
I think we need to improve our response to these types of blocks. -- Amanda (she/her) 20:33, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
We recently had a suggestion to add a parallel system on Commons. I was wondering: how often does this process on en-wiki result in someone being reinstated? I'm guessing that the number is quite low, but if I'm wrong then it makes more sense for Commons to consider it.
Please ping me if responding, I don't currently maintain a watchlist on en-wiki. - Jmabel | Talk 18:32, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
I’m posting here as I’d like to get community input on this. (I’ve already emailed Oversight, but they confirmed that there was nothing that required suppression under the Oversight policy, so I’m assuming it’s ok to talk about on-wiki.)
Let’s say that Logged-in User X has a (non-anon-only) block that’s been placed on an IP address they use. They don’t want to reveal their IP address on-wiki, so they follow the instructions in the block notice and submit a request through UTRS, for the IP block underneath their account to be lifted.
After investigating, let’s say the responding administrator determines that the IP block was misplaced. They unblock it, and include the UTRS # in the unblock reason field so that it’s clear to other editors/admins why the block was removed.
This on its own isn’t a privacy issue, I don’t think. However, the problem is that there is an automatically-updated page on-wiki that contains a list of all UTRS appeals: User:AmandaNP/UTRS Appeals. When User X submitted their appeal, it will have been added to the table, along with the UTRS # and their username.
Therefore, because of the existence of this table, the unblocked IP address can be connected to User X completely on-wiki — by using the appeals table to determine a username from the UTRS #. This is despite the fact that User X appealed through UTRS (rather than on their talk page) specifically because they didn’t want this to happen. [a]
This isn’t just a hypothetical situation. There are several situations I’ve found where an editor’s IP address seems to have been inadvertently revealed on-wiki in this manner (hence my contact with Oversight prior to posting this publicly).
I don’t know what the solution is here. I’m posting it on-wiki because I’m hoping that members of the community might have an idea of what might be best.
Notes
UTRS appeal #92849 is open.
All the best, user: A smart kitten meow 08:29, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
unblocking per UTRS #63829, and the UTRS table contains a row that connects #63829 to User:Example2, then isn’t that effectively revealing an IP address of user Example2? I don’t mean to imply that things haven’t been properly considered, just wanted to share a concern that came to my mind. Sorry if how I wrote it lead it to come across as the former. Best, user: A smart kitten meow 18:32, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
I clicked on a link ( here) to utrs-beta.wmflabs.org/appeal/80761, whereupon I was told
I'm an admin here in en:WP. (Actually I was always under the impression that this did not let me see OTRS/VRT/UTRS stuff.) But:
I tried again after a few minutes. But:
It haven't, even though I waited more than a couple of minutes. (Not that I much mind; I'm just dutifully complying with the request to contact you, as a working system might help another user who, unlike me, needs to be able to read what's written.) -- Hoary ( talk) 02:48, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
I've been getting "utrs-beta.wmflabs.org took too long to respond" all day. Kind of nice not to have to deal with the death threats, but I presume they'll pile up anyway. If this isn't the right place to report this, let me know where is. -- Yamla ( talk) 22:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
please unblock my ip I don't no who is use my ip 154.192.18.14 ( talk) 21:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
to all who help at UTRS. Please remember, appellants don't see the comments in the comment box that leave a comment in green. For the appellant to see your reply, you need to click the "reply to user box." Thnaks -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 11:19, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Could someone action this item? I recuse. Thanks -- Deepfriedokra ( talk) 18:19, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
There is at least one template at UTRS, "Refer to ArbCom ~ CheckUser block", that contains now-outdated instructions per the bottom of the current ArbCom noticeboard revision. ~ ToBeFree ( talk) 20:29, 14 February 2024 (UTC)