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Hate to ask to jump to the top of the queue but these sock are creating a lot of work that will need cleanup. Filed this SPI the other day and see they are definitely working with that farm (along with the many IPs editing right after creation). Yesterday user created Maya: The Love which was G5 earlier this year from the sock farm. The other long list of evidence is on the SPI page. CNMall41 ( talk) 02:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I am disheartened myself over the backlog at SPI. It would be nice if the socks/master I did an SPI on would get handled but that is less of a problem than the older SPIs. I filed on April 13th but there are others over a month old...like these two - March 14th and March 16th. Those filers have been waiting for resolution a much longer time than you or I... Shearonink ( talk) 15:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
I can't myself quite fully decipher the Project page for this but how old is the oldest SPI request in the present backlog? The oldest CU request I could find was dated March 28th (for Elyelm) and then there's a clutch of un-CUed SPIs starting on April 9th... I haven't filed an SPI in ages and have one waiting but was just wondering how long the process might take. Thanks, Shearonink ( talk) 16:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- There's a big table at WP:SPI#Cases currently listed at SPI which is sortable by each column by clicking on the column heading. For your purposes, you probably want "Filed at (UTC)", from which I can see that the oldest case that's still open is Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cricket Butterfly which is about 2-1/2 months old at this point. Note that cases (such as this one) may show up multiple times in the table if there's multiple reports from different days.
- SPI is chronically backlogged. Too many socks, not enough people working on processing cases. I worked a lot of SPI cases for a couple of years, but at this point I'm largely burned out on that and have moved on to other things, which is a pretty common story with sock hunters.
RoySmith
(talk) 15:13, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I understand the burnout, on a lesser level than admins of course but I think any long-time editors who engage on a regular basis in any particular area around here get burned-out on vandal-fighting or draft-reviews or whatever. It just almost seems that this noticeboard has ceased functioning in a reliable fashion. If Wikipedia in general has to wait for 2.5 months for action to be taken on some SPIs then we are in effect saying "Have at it! Sock away! No repercussions for you." I am sorry about the burnout, I am glad you haven't given up entirely.
Shearonink (
talk) 17:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I try to work through at least a few cases each time I'm on here but the burnout is real. One probably quick thing that will help with the backlog is for checkusers to go through the cases marked "checked" and see if there's actually anything left to do, and either do those things or close the report. I've run through quite a few lately that are left "checked" with nothing to do, and those ones just sit in the queue forever.
Ivanvector (
Talk/
Edits) 18:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Visually that would help. I just look at the sheer size of the overall page and think "Abandon hope all ye who enter here"... -
Shearonink (
talk) 18:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to knock down the backlog a bit last Thursday and Friday, but have never seen such a dearth of Clerks available to help out. I've been waiting for weeks for a case to be split and the oldest CU-request cases really need Clerk review due to the amount of evidence presented. I've been trying to do all of the blocking, tagging and such myself on the cases I've handled to help take some of the burden off the Clerks, but the situation is the worst I've seen.--
Ponyo
bons mots 19:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oh good it's not just me then...makes me feel somewhat better. How many SPI Clerks are there? Are we somehow down in the numbers at the moment? -
Shearonink (
talk) 19:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @ Shearonink: see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Clerks.-- Ponyo bons mots 21:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- It's not the number of clerks but how active they are.--
Bbb23 (
talk) 22:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also, IMO, some of the clerks listed as "active" should be moved to temporarily inactive at least as they haven't even edited Wikipedia in six months or more, let alone clerked.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 22:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- omg Bbb23, there are actually so very few....
- List of SPI Clerks & their latest edits to SPI (numbered from Ponyo's list mentioned above & deliberately not mentioning usernames)
- 1st - April 2024
- 2nd - October 2023
- 3rd - September 2023
- 4th - sometime in 2022?...
- 5th - March 26
- 6th - August 2023
- 7th - April 2024
- 8th - January 2024
- 9th - December 2023
- 10th - December 2023
- 11th - April 2024
- Plus the 4 "Temporarily inactive clerks"
- So it looks like that's 4 SPI Clerks who have edited in this sphere within the past month or so?... This pattern does not seem sustainable. Does anyone think SPI is actually working at its optimal best? Is it possible that SPI might be broken or at least limping badly? I mean really - why should any of us file SPIs if filings are going to languish in limbo? I'm kind of feeling like maybe it would be best to just withdraw my latest SPI and not bother to file another one. Shearonink ( talk) 01:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- @
Shearonink If you want to withdraw your SPI, that's your prerogative. But might I suggest that a more productive course of action would be lending a hand to help with the backlog?
RoySmith
(talk) 15:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- If I had time and my life outside WP weren't so stressful right now I might consider it but I cannot take any more responsibilities at this time. Something would have to give and it would probably be me. Shearonink ( talk) 18:13, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- There's an editor request to join clerkship pending since two months ago. Maybe no one has done anything about it because there has been no participation and therefore no consensus. But might I suggest that in that case or any other, the process is not working? Nowhere else does it take that long to answer a volunteer application on this project. —
Usedtobecool
☎️ 16:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- One need not be a clerk to help at SPI. A really useful thing that anybody can do is to grab an old case, dig through the edit histories, and provide a clear summary of the similarities and differences. Cases that have been sitting in the queue for a long time are usually the ones that are difficult to understand, so this type of curation/summarization is very helpful to getting them off the docket. RoySmith (talk) 17:45, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- I must admit, I don't quite get why the separation of SPI roles as detailed at
WP:SPI/PROC is quite so prescriptive; for example, why can't administrators perform clerking duties like archiving closed cases, of which there are more than 150 currently listed at
WP:SPI?
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 22:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Admins can do most of the things that actually matter at SPI. It does not really matter if a closed case sits on the page for a while before being archived, but it might matter if an admin who is inexperienced with SPI failed to realize that an account that should have been blocked was not, that global locks were not requested, that a case was filed under the wrong name, etc. I'd encourage any admins who are concerned about the backlog to read User:Spicy/SPI_admin_guide and consider helping out. Spicy ( talk) 11:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oh good it's not just me then...makes me feel somewhat better. How many SPI Clerks are there? Are we somehow down in the numbers at the moment? -
Shearonink (
talk) 19:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to knock down the backlog a bit last Thursday and Friday, but have never seen such a dearth of Clerks available to help out. I've been waiting for weeks for a case to be split and the oldest CU-request cases really need Clerk review due to the amount of evidence presented. I've been trying to do all of the blocking, tagging and such myself on the cases I've handled to help take some of the burden off the Clerks, but the situation is the worst I've seen.--
Ponyo
bons mots 19:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Visually that would help. I just look at the sheer size of the overall page and think "Abandon hope all ye who enter here"... -
Shearonink (
talk) 18:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I try to work through at least a few cases each time I'm on here but the burnout is real. One probably quick thing that will help with the backlog is for checkusers to go through the cases marked "checked" and see if there's actually anything left to do, and either do those things or close the report. I've run through quite a few lately that are left "checked" with nothing to do, and those ones just sit in the queue forever.
Ivanvector (
Talk/
Edits) 18:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I understand the burnout, on a lesser level than admins of course but I think any long-time editors who engage on a regular basis in any particular area around here get burned-out on vandal-fighting or draft-reviews or whatever. It just almost seems that this noticeboard has ceased functioning in a reliable fashion. If Wikipedia in general has to wait for 2.5 months for action to be taken on some SPIs then we are in effect saying "Have at it! Sock away! No repercussions for you." I am sorry about the burnout, I am glad you haven't given up entirely.
Shearonink (
talk) 17:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
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Hate to ask to jump to the top of the queue but these sock are creating a lot of work that will need cleanup. Filed this SPI the other day and see they are definitely working with that farm (along with the many IPs editing right after creation). Yesterday user created Maya: The Love which was G5 earlier this year from the sock farm. The other long list of evidence is on the SPI page. CNMall41 ( talk) 02:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I am disheartened myself over the backlog at SPI. It would be nice if the socks/master I did an SPI on would get handled but that is less of a problem than the older SPIs. I filed on April 13th but there are others over a month old...like these two - March 14th and March 16th. Those filers have been waiting for resolution a much longer time than you or I... Shearonink ( talk) 15:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
I can't myself quite fully decipher the Project page for this but how old is the oldest SPI request in the present backlog? The oldest CU request I could find was dated March 28th (for Elyelm) and then there's a clutch of un-CUed SPIs starting on April 9th... I haven't filed an SPI in ages and have one waiting but was just wondering how long the process might take. Thanks, Shearonink ( talk) 16:51, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- There's a big table at WP:SPI#Cases currently listed at SPI which is sortable by each column by clicking on the column heading. For your purposes, you probably want "Filed at (UTC)", from which I can see that the oldest case that's still open is Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cricket Butterfly which is about 2-1/2 months old at this point. Note that cases (such as this one) may show up multiple times in the table if there's multiple reports from different days.
- SPI is chronically backlogged. Too many socks, not enough people working on processing cases. I worked a lot of SPI cases for a couple of years, but at this point I'm largely burned out on that and have moved on to other things, which is a pretty common story with sock hunters.
RoySmith
(talk) 15:13, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I understand the burnout, on a lesser level than admins of course but I think any long-time editors who engage on a regular basis in any particular area around here get burned-out on vandal-fighting or draft-reviews or whatever. It just almost seems that this noticeboard has ceased functioning in a reliable fashion. If Wikipedia in general has to wait for 2.5 months for action to be taken on some SPIs then we are in effect saying "Have at it! Sock away! No repercussions for you." I am sorry about the burnout, I am glad you haven't given up entirely.
Shearonink (
talk) 17:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I try to work through at least a few cases each time I'm on here but the burnout is real. One probably quick thing that will help with the backlog is for checkusers to go through the cases marked "checked" and see if there's actually anything left to do, and either do those things or close the report. I've run through quite a few lately that are left "checked" with nothing to do, and those ones just sit in the queue forever.
Ivanvector (
Talk/
Edits) 18:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Visually that would help. I just look at the sheer size of the overall page and think "Abandon hope all ye who enter here"... -
Shearonink (
talk) 18:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to knock down the backlog a bit last Thursday and Friday, but have never seen such a dearth of Clerks available to help out. I've been waiting for weeks for a case to be split and the oldest CU-request cases really need Clerk review due to the amount of evidence presented. I've been trying to do all of the blocking, tagging and such myself on the cases I've handled to help take some of the burden off the Clerks, but the situation is the worst I've seen.--
Ponyo
bons mots 19:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oh good it's not just me then...makes me feel somewhat better. How many SPI Clerks are there? Are we somehow down in the numbers at the moment? -
Shearonink (
talk) 19:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- @ Shearonink: see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Clerks.-- Ponyo bons mots 21:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- It's not the number of clerks but how active they are.--
Bbb23 (
talk) 22:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Also, IMO, some of the clerks listed as "active" should be moved to temporarily inactive at least as they haven't even edited Wikipedia in six months or more, let alone clerked.-- Bbb23 ( talk) 22:02, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- omg Bbb23, there are actually so very few....
- List of SPI Clerks & their latest edits to SPI (numbered from Ponyo's list mentioned above & deliberately not mentioning usernames)
- 1st - April 2024
- 2nd - October 2023
- 3rd - September 2023
- 4th - sometime in 2022?...
- 5th - March 26
- 6th - August 2023
- 7th - April 2024
- 8th - January 2024
- 9th - December 2023
- 10th - December 2023
- 11th - April 2024
- Plus the 4 "Temporarily inactive clerks"
- So it looks like that's 4 SPI Clerks who have edited in this sphere within the past month or so?... This pattern does not seem sustainable. Does anyone think SPI is actually working at its optimal best? Is it possible that SPI might be broken or at least limping badly? I mean really - why should any of us file SPIs if filings are going to languish in limbo? I'm kind of feeling like maybe it would be best to just withdraw my latest SPI and not bother to file another one. Shearonink ( talk) 01:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- @
Shearonink If you want to withdraw your SPI, that's your prerogative. But might I suggest that a more productive course of action would be lending a hand to help with the backlog?
RoySmith
(talk) 15:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- If I had time and my life outside WP weren't so stressful right now I might consider it but I cannot take any more responsibilities at this time. Something would have to give and it would probably be me. Shearonink ( talk) 18:13, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- There's an editor request to join clerkship pending since two months ago. Maybe no one has done anything about it because there has been no participation and therefore no consensus. But might I suggest that in that case or any other, the process is not working? Nowhere else does it take that long to answer a volunteer application on this project. —
Usedtobecool
☎️ 16:22, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- One need not be a clerk to help at SPI. A really useful thing that anybody can do is to grab an old case, dig through the edit histories, and provide a clear summary of the similarities and differences. Cases that have been sitting in the queue for a long time are usually the ones that are difficult to understand, so this type of curation/summarization is very helpful to getting them off the docket. RoySmith (talk) 17:45, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- I must admit, I don't quite get why the separation of SPI roles as detailed at
WP:SPI/PROC is quite so prescriptive; for example, why can't administrators perform clerking duties like archiving closed cases, of which there are more than 150 currently listed at
WP:SPI?
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 22:54, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- Admins can do most of the things that actually matter at SPI. It does not really matter if a closed case sits on the page for a while before being archived, but it might matter if an admin who is inexperienced with SPI failed to realize that an account that should have been blocked was not, that global locks were not requested, that a case was filed under the wrong name, etc. I'd encourage any admins who are concerned about the backlog to read User:Spicy/SPI_admin_guide and consider helping out. Spicy ( talk) 11:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
- Oh good it's not just me then...makes me feel somewhat better. How many SPI Clerks are there? Are we somehow down in the numbers at the moment? -
Shearonink (
talk) 19:42, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to knock down the backlog a bit last Thursday and Friday, but have never seen such a dearth of Clerks available to help out. I've been waiting for weeks for a case to be split and the oldest CU-request cases really need Clerk review due to the amount of evidence presented. I've been trying to do all of the blocking, tagging and such myself on the cases I've handled to help take some of the burden off the Clerks, but the situation is the worst I've seen.--
Ponyo
bons mots 19:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- Visually that would help. I just look at the sheer size of the overall page and think "Abandon hope all ye who enter here"... -
Shearonink (
talk) 18:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I try to work through at least a few cases each time I'm on here but the burnout is real. One probably quick thing that will help with the backlog is for checkusers to go through the cases marked "checked" and see if there's actually anything left to do, and either do those things or close the report. I've run through quite a few lately that are left "checked" with nothing to do, and those ones just sit in the queue forever.
Ivanvector (
Talk/
Edits) 18:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)
- I understand the burnout, on a lesser level than admins of course but I think any long-time editors who engage on a regular basis in any particular area around here get burned-out on vandal-fighting or draft-reviews or whatever. It just almost seems that this noticeboard has ceased functioning in a reliable fashion. If Wikipedia in general has to wait for 2.5 months for action to be taken on some SPIs then we are in effect saying "Have at it! Sock away! No repercussions for you." I am sorry about the burnout, I am glad you haven't given up entirely.
Shearonink (
talk) 17:29, 22 April 2024 (UTC)