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I searched archives here but could not find a definitive answer on what constitutes a "major music award" per WP:NMUSICIAN #8 which states, "has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award." The question I have stems from an AfD I initiated for Nkosazana Daughter. Would like feedback on whether "Soundcity MVP Award" or "Basadi in Music Award" would be considered a "major music award" per the guideline. Hoping for feedback to determine if I should withdraw the nomination which I will do if they are considered such. CNMall41 ( talk) 03:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
One day, I would like to start systematically creating stub articles on old jazz musicians with print sourcing, and a useful heuristic for meeting GNG would be something along the lines of Has lead multiple otherwise notable musicians in a professional, touring ensemble
. "Professional" gets rid of uncovered high school band directors and the like, and "touring" eliminates house bands. Thoughts?
Mach61 (
talk) 04:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
WP:BAND has, as a sub-bullet of criteria one, a clarification that works consisting merely of trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, articles giving release information or track listings, or publications of contact and booking details in directories
do not establish notability.
I BOLDLY removed that subbullet, noting that the sentence was entirely redundant with the initial bullet, which already disallowed non-trivial published works
, but was reverted for lack of discussion. So here's the discussion, I guess.
Mach61 (
talk) 02:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Basically having a Grammy or have been nominated meets the guidelines? For example, If we have groups such as the Marvelettes, Honey Cone, and Martha and the Vandellas that are on this encyclopedia that have not won or have been nominated Grammies does this matter such? They had a gold record in the US, but Grammies? TheGreatestLuvofAll ( talk) 15:27, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
TheGreatestLuvofAll ( talk) 17:50, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award. Note that this requires the person or band to have been the direct recipient of a nomination in their own name, and is not passed by playing as a session musician on an album whose award citation was not specifically for that person's own contributions.
Just a reminder, (and with some inaccuracy and oversimplification for the sake of brevity), need to meet either this SNG or GNG to have an article. Meeting this SNG isn't a requirement to have an article, it's a requirement to bypass GNG. North8000 ( talk) 17:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
I feel that the gold record or higher criteria for music, along with the rest of it is a little too high a bar. I understand that a small screaming punk garage band called “My Nefarious Loins” or something may not be considered notable, however a band that has recorded and published music but is not Green Day size should not be blocked off of Wikipedia, especially if they’re good. This band in question is Young culture, I am not part of the band or know them but I am interested in creating a page for them. Darkheart24 ( talk) 18:28, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Is there a template message people can use when they find band spam? I'd like to be able to leave a message on talk pages explaining the criteria and linking here. Is there such a thing? If there's anything good it would be great to add it to twinkle. Secretlondon ( talk) 12:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
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I searched archives here but could not find a definitive answer on what constitutes a "major music award" per WP:NMUSICIAN #8 which states, "has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award." The question I have stems from an AfD I initiated for Nkosazana Daughter. Would like feedback on whether "Soundcity MVP Award" or "Basadi in Music Award" would be considered a "major music award" per the guideline. Hoping for feedback to determine if I should withdraw the nomination which I will do if they are considered such. CNMall41 ( talk) 03:59, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
One day, I would like to start systematically creating stub articles on old jazz musicians with print sourcing, and a useful heuristic for meeting GNG would be something along the lines of Has lead multiple otherwise notable musicians in a professional, touring ensemble
. "Professional" gets rid of uncovered high school band directors and the like, and "touring" eliminates house bands. Thoughts?
Mach61 (
talk) 04:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
WP:BAND has, as a sub-bullet of criteria one, a clarification that works consisting merely of trivial coverage, such as articles that simply report performance dates, articles giving release information or track listings, or publications of contact and booking details in directories
do not establish notability.
I BOLDLY removed that subbullet, noting that the sentence was entirely redundant with the initial bullet, which already disallowed non-trivial published works
, but was reverted for lack of discussion. So here's the discussion, I guess.
Mach61 (
talk) 02:58, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Basically having a Grammy or have been nominated meets the guidelines? For example, If we have groups such as the Marvelettes, Honey Cone, and Martha and the Vandellas that are on this encyclopedia that have not won or have been nominated Grammies does this matter such? They had a gold record in the US, but Grammies? TheGreatestLuvofAll ( talk) 15:27, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
TheGreatestLuvofAll ( talk) 17:50, 25 February 2024 (UTC)Has won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award. Note that this requires the person or band to have been the direct recipient of a nomination in their own name, and is not passed by playing as a session musician on an album whose award citation was not specifically for that person's own contributions.
Just a reminder, (and with some inaccuracy and oversimplification for the sake of brevity), need to meet either this SNG or GNG to have an article. Meeting this SNG isn't a requirement to have an article, it's a requirement to bypass GNG. North8000 ( talk) 17:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
I feel that the gold record or higher criteria for music, along with the rest of it is a little too high a bar. I understand that a small screaming punk garage band called “My Nefarious Loins” or something may not be considered notable, however a band that has recorded and published music but is not Green Day size should not be blocked off of Wikipedia, especially if they’re good. This band in question is Young culture, I am not part of the band or know them but I am interested in creating a page for them. Darkheart24 ( talk) 18:28, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Is there a template message people can use when they find band spam? I'd like to be able to leave a message on talk pages explaining the criteria and linking here. Is there such a thing? If there's anything good it would be great to add it to twinkle. Secretlondon ( talk) 12:06, 1 May 2024 (UTC)