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Al-Ṭurfa al-Šahiyya fī aḫbār al-ʿAʾila al-Swīsiyya

This is not a hoax. This book actually exists. See [1] [2]. MSMST1543 ( talk) 05:51, 2 September 2023 (UTC) reply

@ MSMST1543 But the claim was about a film, not a book. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:15, 17 October 2023 (UTC) reply
@ Piotrus: It was not originally classified as a film when it was added. Its classification as a film was just an error that was made when reorganizing the article. MSMST1543 ( talk) 14:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC) reply

Possible hoax image at Lucretius by known offender?

This list already mentions the article Philodoppides, created in 2020 and deleted in August 2023. There is a possible second case of a hoax edit/creation by the same user, dating back to 2015. If it actually turns out to be fake then we may have to think about looking at all their edits, going back to 2009. Renerpho ( talk) 20:05, 29 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Potential hundreds of hoaxes on Year articles

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years#The year of... ☾Loriendrew☽ (ring-ring) 23:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC) reply

To summarize what I already posted on the WikiProject Years talk page, this is no hoax. In Rome, for centuries the normal way of indicating which year was which was to give the names of the consuls who served in that year. Jc3s5h ( talk) 16:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC) reply

Pretty likely hoax in article (vandalism): 1+ year

Added and removed by IP. Added: [3]. Removed: [4] Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:14, 18 December 2023 (UTC) reply

10+ year fake etymology on Miccosukee article (2a)

this is an older one, being removed dec. 22 2017 [1], and was added sept. 26 2007 [2]

the claim is that Miccosukee derives from "micos sucios", Spanish for "dirty monkeys". this claim is from the "Journal of Etymological Studies", a (seemingly) nonexistent journal, and no credible source backs up the "micos sucios" claim. all sources spreading the "micos sucios" come after the addition to wikipedia.

if there was any truth to the "micos sucios" claim, it should be easy to find, since it claims to be backed up by a journal by Juan Ponce de Leon.

the same user who added the "micos sucios" claim also added an unsourced "Death" section to Daddy Yankee's page [3], which they themselves would delete shortly after [4], made a medicinal claim on the Pouteria sapota article which lasted 2 years [5] [6], and another etymological claim for Ciguatera fish poisoning that lasted 3 years [7] [8] "greenzig" ( talk) 15:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Billionaire space race

Hi, I posted on Wikipedia talk:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Billionaire space race and at User Talk:Randy Kryn and he recommended I post here. The subpage Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Billionaire space race is not a hoax. The subpage was created by copying and pasting content from Billionaire space race while that page still existed. The page was discussed and kept at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Billionaire space race, so it isn't a hoax. Therefore, I think Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Billionaire space race should be deleted because it's bad to have a non-hoax linked to hoax pages. Can someone delete the subpage or show me where to go to get it deleted? Thank you! Cauldron bubble ( talk) 03:18, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Cauldron bubble: Follow the instructions at WP:MFD to nominate it. That said, I agree that it feels like there should be some sort of speedy criterion for WP:POINT here... "The community disagreed at AFD" does not mean "make a copy in the hoax museum because the community was Wrong (TM)". SnowFire ( talk) 21:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I went ahead and just nominated it myself: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Billionaire space race. SnowFire ( talk) 20:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Ruda Real

Given new sourcing, the Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Ruda Real page has been renominated for deletion. Contributions to the discussion can be made at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Ruda Real (2nd nomination). CactusWriter (talk) 02:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The Encyclopedia of Iranian Old Music

Is The Encyclopedia of Iranian Old Music a hoax? I tried searching the title in both Persian and English and got no results not derived from Wikipedia. If so this is certainly up there as one of the longest tenured, having been created on December 28, 2004. Pinging @ Aza24: who tagged it for PROD, as well as @ Piotrus: who's dealt with hoaxes upthread. Ten Pound Hammer( What did I screw up now?) 04:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Huh. Stub (now prodded) with the following content: "The Encyclopedia of Iranian Old Music (Persian: دانشنامه موسیقی ایران) a book that was published in Tehran by Mehran Poor Mandan in 2000." Creator was an IP active in related (Middle East) topics: Special:Contributions/212.238.143.99. My search is tough, nothing in English, so have to use Arabic moonrunes and machine translation. [5] seems to be about a later project with a similar name. Controlling for 2000 gives nothing but wiki mirrors. Yes, quite possible hoax, but could also be just a crappy article with typo / error. @ TenPoundHammer Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
That was my initial thought too. I've never seen it referenced by other sources on Ancient Persian music, a topic which I write about frequently (see Parthian music and Barbad). Having an encyclopedia on "Iranian Old Music" is a rather bizarre scope; presumably this is indicating Pre-Islamic Persian music, of which there is very little known and probably not enough for a full fledged encyclopedia. Also seems possible that it is merely a self-published source, which is why its so niche (and not present in academia), but also occasionally found elsewhere ( example). Aza24 (talk) 21:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
It's not a hoax, but both the English and Persian titles, as well as the author, are misspelled, making it hard to find. The correct Persian title is دایره‌المعارف موسیقی کهن ایران, which more accurately translates to "Encyclopedia of Ancient Iranian Music". It was published in the Solar Hijri calendar year of 1379 (corresponding to 2000–2001) by انتشارات سوره مهر (Soore Mehr Publications) [6], the publishing arm of حوزه هنری ( The Artistic Sect of the Islamic Republic). The ISBN of the book is 9789644715945, and there are corresponding entries on WorldCat [7] and an Iranian book catalog [8]. The author is مهران پورمندان, more accurately transliterated as "Mehran Pourmandan"; there are some websites (not necessarily independent or reliable) about him that mention the encyclopedia: [9] [10] [11]. There is a short ISNA article [12] about the book, and a few CGIE articles cite it [13], but I haven't done a more extensive search of Persian sources to determine if this book is notable enough to have an article. Malerisch ( talk) 02:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Malerisch Nice. So it seems I was right when I said "it could also be just a crappy article with typo / error". In the meantime, based on sources found, I think yes, this fails WP:NBOOK. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
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Al-Ṭurfa al-Šahiyya fī aḫbār al-ʿAʾila al-Swīsiyya

This is not a hoax. This book actually exists. See [1] [2]. MSMST1543 ( talk) 05:51, 2 September 2023 (UTC) reply

@ MSMST1543 But the claim was about a film, not a book. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:15, 17 October 2023 (UTC) reply
@ Piotrus: It was not originally classified as a film when it was added. Its classification as a film was just an error that was made when reorganizing the article. MSMST1543 ( talk) 14:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC) reply

Possible hoax image at Lucretius by known offender?

This list already mentions the article Philodoppides, created in 2020 and deleted in August 2023. There is a possible second case of a hoax edit/creation by the same user, dating back to 2015. If it actually turns out to be fake then we may have to think about looking at all their edits, going back to 2009. Renerpho ( talk) 20:05, 29 October 2023 (UTC) reply

Potential hundreds of hoaxes on Year articles

Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Years#The year of... ☾Loriendrew☽ (ring-ring) 23:12, 8 November 2023 (UTC) reply

To summarize what I already posted on the WikiProject Years talk page, this is no hoax. In Rome, for centuries the normal way of indicating which year was which was to give the names of the consuls who served in that year. Jc3s5h ( talk) 16:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC) reply

Pretty likely hoax in article (vandalism): 1+ year

Added and removed by IP. Added: [3]. Removed: [4] Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 11:14, 18 December 2023 (UTC) reply

10+ year fake etymology on Miccosukee article (2a)

this is an older one, being removed dec. 22 2017 [1], and was added sept. 26 2007 [2]

the claim is that Miccosukee derives from "micos sucios", Spanish for "dirty monkeys". this claim is from the "Journal of Etymological Studies", a (seemingly) nonexistent journal, and no credible source backs up the "micos sucios" claim. all sources spreading the "micos sucios" come after the addition to wikipedia.

if there was any truth to the "micos sucios" claim, it should be easy to find, since it claims to be backed up by a journal by Juan Ponce de Leon.

the same user who added the "micos sucios" claim also added an unsourced "Death" section to Daddy Yankee's page [3], which they themselves would delete shortly after [4], made a medicinal claim on the Pouteria sapota article which lasted 2 years [5] [6], and another etymological claim for Ciguatera fish poisoning that lasted 3 years [7] [8] "greenzig" ( talk) 15:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC) reply

Billionaire space race

Hi, I posted on Wikipedia talk:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Billionaire space race and at User Talk:Randy Kryn and he recommended I post here. The subpage Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Billionaire space race is not a hoax. The subpage was created by copying and pasting content from Billionaire space race while that page still existed. The page was discussed and kept at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Billionaire space race, so it isn't a hoax. Therefore, I think Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Billionaire space race should be deleted because it's bad to have a non-hoax linked to hoax pages. Can someone delete the subpage or show me where to go to get it deleted? Thank you! Cauldron bubble ( talk) 03:18, 30 March 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Cauldron bubble: Follow the instructions at WP:MFD to nominate it. That said, I agree that it feels like there should be some sort of speedy criterion for WP:POINT here... "The community disagreed at AFD" does not mean "make a copy in the hoax museum because the community was Wrong (TM)". SnowFire ( talk) 21:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply
I went ahead and just nominated it myself: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Billionaire space race. SnowFire ( talk) 20:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Ruda Real

Given new sourcing, the Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Ruda Real page has been renominated for deletion. Contributions to the discussion can be made at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Ruda Real (2nd nomination). CactusWriter (talk) 02:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC) reply

The Encyclopedia of Iranian Old Music

Is The Encyclopedia of Iranian Old Music a hoax? I tried searching the title in both Persian and English and got no results not derived from Wikipedia. If so this is certainly up there as one of the longest tenured, having been created on December 28, 2004. Pinging @ Aza24: who tagged it for PROD, as well as @ Piotrus: who's dealt with hoaxes upthread. Ten Pound Hammer( What did I screw up now?) 04:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply

Huh. Stub (now prodded) with the following content: "The Encyclopedia of Iranian Old Music (Persian: دانشنامه موسیقی ایران) a book that was published in Tehran by Mehran Poor Mandan in 2000." Creator was an IP active in related (Middle East) topics: Special:Contributions/212.238.143.99. My search is tough, nothing in English, so have to use Arabic moonrunes and machine translation. [5] seems to be about a later project with a similar name. Controlling for 2000 gives nothing but wiki mirrors. Yes, quite possible hoax, but could also be just a crappy article with typo / error. @ TenPoundHammer Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
That was my initial thought too. I've never seen it referenced by other sources on Ancient Persian music, a topic which I write about frequently (see Parthian music and Barbad). Having an encyclopedia on "Iranian Old Music" is a rather bizarre scope; presumably this is indicating Pre-Islamic Persian music, of which there is very little known and probably not enough for a full fledged encyclopedia. Also seems possible that it is merely a self-published source, which is why its so niche (and not present in academia), but also occasionally found elsewhere ( example). Aza24 (talk) 21:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC) reply
It's not a hoax, but both the English and Persian titles, as well as the author, are misspelled, making it hard to find. The correct Persian title is دایره‌المعارف موسیقی کهن ایران, which more accurately translates to "Encyclopedia of Ancient Iranian Music". It was published in the Solar Hijri calendar year of 1379 (corresponding to 2000–2001) by انتشارات سوره مهر (Soore Mehr Publications) [6], the publishing arm of حوزه هنری ( The Artistic Sect of the Islamic Republic). The ISBN of the book is 9789644715945, and there are corresponding entries on WorldCat [7] and an Iranian book catalog [8]. The author is مهران پورمندان, more accurately transliterated as "Mehran Pourmandan"; there are some websites (not necessarily independent or reliable) about him that mention the encyclopedia: [9] [10] [11]. There is a short ISNA article [12] about the book, and a few CGIE articles cite it [13], but I haven't done a more extensive search of Persian sources to determine if this book is notable enough to have an article. Malerisch ( talk) 02:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply
@ Malerisch Nice. So it seems I was right when I said "it could also be just a crappy article with typo / error". In the meantime, based on sources found, I think yes, this fails WP:NBOOK. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC) reply

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