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Is NintendoLife reliable or unreliable? Cause I would really like to know. Same with Polygon and Screenrant. NintendoTTTEfan2005 ( talk) 05:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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Found this website while looking for sources for a fan-game of Undertale, and I was wondering if this could have any semblance of notability? I'm not fluent in French, so if anyone who is can help with determining this source's reliability, I'd appreciate that! Source seems to have a handy list of authors available ( [1]), which I guess could be a good starting point, but I'm not sure if they have an about page anywhere. Jurta talk/he/they 20:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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Surely, there are links to Box Equals Art (stylized as BOX=ART) across 13 articles as of this post, but is it a reliable source for crediting people with cover arts?
I did a web search to find out more information from the website, created in 2013 and run by a single person named Adam Gidney. There is surprisingly little information about the site—not a good indicator of reliability–and it does not help that one cannot search for the equal sign in results. I did, however, find one Nintendo Life article about Mr. Gidney's interview with box artist Tom Dubois. As a note, the website was last online early this year and redirects to Original Video Game Art, another website about game cover arts, which has its own page on the now-defunct website. That website is unfortunately less useful than Box Equals Art, but at least some of this site's content migrated there. I remember seeing on Wikipedia articles links to a video game website about cover arts and visiting it, but not the site's name. The fact that it went offline was why I was having trouble finding the website, and after searching Wikipedia's articles for links to the website, I found one to Box Equals Art, and judging by the layout, which I remember somewhat, that is the name of the website.
On the bright side, the website noted on its homepage first in 2018 that "Box arts are only credited to their original artist if confirmed through the artist themselves, a visible artist signature is found or the artist is credited in the game manual." This suggests a commitment to using official or first-party sources, and I like that. I also like that in at least one article, an artist (Mr. Dubois) was involved in Mr. Gidney's writing of a biographical article about him. The layout is also not far off from professional, respected video game outlets, nor is the grammar and style of writing, which is encouraging.
Until more information surfaces about Box Equals Art or Adam Gidney, it is hard for me to recommend that Wikipedia use it, but I cannot outright reject it either. An "unreliable" result would only affect the 13 articles, but a "reliable" result would likely be helpful to only dozens or, at the very most, hundreds more out of the more than 40,000 articles. Some of the credit information is confirmable with artist signatures, credits in the games' manuals, and information from other sources anyway. Thoughts? Free Media Kid$ 03:32, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
I have begun to remove citations of Box Equals Art. Of the original 13 references, six have been removed, and so far, I have not faced opposition. In each of those cases, I was able to replace them with high-quality sources, though that might not last long, given my trouble finding others. Free Media Kid$ 09:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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Ran across this, and I haven't seen it discussed here. While the articles aren't badly written, something feels off. Their Contact Us page only lists staff, and checking the EIC on MuckRack shows she's written for a lot of publications but no real credentials. There's something else bugging me: when looking for sources for an article I found this...but a lot of the wording and setup feels very similar to Kenneth Shephard's articles on the subject. I don't want to outright claim AI, but something feels really off with how this is written especially with the FAQ bit at the end.
There's also the weird case of AI art that's stolen from other sites that has nothing to do with the article they're in? Unless Golf's suddenly become a lot more hardcore than I knew something is very weird with this website. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 17:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Now I'm going to preface this by right out saying a large part of the "Valnet" sources are indeed, crap. Same situation with Kotaku really: both either pull off a lot of lists that say nothing, or report on whatever thing tickles reddit's fancy. I'm not arguing for those sources with this. I get that's why the company as a whole has a hard identity as a content farm.
But I feel editorial pieces, stuff that examine and discuss a topic in depth, should have some leeway to helping to define a subject as notable. There are some actually good pieces hidden in there, and they can offer some good commentary on a subject and possibly views that aren't discussed in other avenues. Hell even some of their more fleshed out lists can offer some bits of commentary in this vein, and more meat than stuff like GameDaily or UGO.com have in the past (the progenitors, as it were I feel, of anti-list views on here with how poor they were).
Keep in mind saying this, I'm not arguing "let's build an article with just valnet sources and make that the norm!" But if we have some discussion provided in other outlets, I don't think well written Valnet sources should automatically "not count" entirely, as presented by the list here, and instead encourage that they may be seen as lesser quality sources in that regard on a case-by-base basis.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 03:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
I couldn't see them on the list, but are MinnMax considered a reliable source? Their interviews are becoming increasingly useful as a source of information and are often cited by other websites. 2A00:23C6:8281:A501:D561:FF37:A03C:5542 ( talk) 12:39, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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CharlieIntel is an esports tabloid website that mostly creates content for Call of Duty, but dabbles in content for other franchises such as Pokemon and Overwatch as well. It's owned by Dexerto and effectively functions and writes the same content as it, but without nearly as much unfiltered output on Twitter and more game guide content. I also don't believe this site has any editorial policy to be seen and no credentials are provided on the about page, which makes me assume it follows the same as Dexerto, but I could be wrong.
Personally, I believe this site to be an open and shut unreliable for the exact same reasons why I argued Dexerto to be unreliable at the noticeboard, being a tabloid publication that rarely provides content of actual substance, even more so when it mostly writes game guide content, and my reasoning being strengthened due to this site in particular having no clear editorial policy or credentials. It should be fairly obvious that this source is not suitable to be used, but a site-wide consensus at the reliable sources noticeboard was that Dexerto could possibly be used for its esports coverage, which CharlieIntel falls under, meaning that it can be used as a source ( and is already used by 100 Wikipedia pages) and this is exactly why I'm here bringing this source to be discussed and vetted. Negative MP1 23:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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The last discussion on TechRaptor was in 2014(!) apparently here. Since then they've been cited in multiple books and scholarly looks from a quick google search, and their About Us page also mentions them taking a hard stance against AI-generated articles. They do feel like a significant cut above some of the websites out there at this point.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 05:25, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Correction, there was a second discussion in 2018.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 05:29, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Could we please remove New York Times from the CSE? I know it's reliable, I know we list it, but it almost never comes up in context and has a tendency to drown results for games with common words in their names. -- ferret ( talk) 01:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
It doesn't specify, but I noticed that some content is community made. This one [2] is listed as a community-written post, but is also a "Featured Blog". I don't see any community post exception, though I do assume that randos posting blogs on the site should be excluded, with an advisory on its entry on this page. However, does being a Featured Blog carry any merit? - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 17:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
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Mod DB has been on our unreliable list for quite some time, but its sister site Indie DB has seemingly never been discussed. I recently had a discussion with a COI editor who would like to fix an incorrect credit on I Hate Running Backwards. Since no secondary sources exist on this particular matter, I suggested that a novel primary source (such as a presskit) could be used for information as uncontroversial as this. The user, who is the CEO of the game's developer, has now updated the presskit hosted at Indie DB. At a glance, it appears that only the game's "owner" has the ability to edit this presskit, although I am not sure how one coems to be the owner. Do we accept primary sources from Indie DB in this manner? This would likely not be limited to presskits but also include articles written about a game by its owner, i.e. devlogs. IceWelder [ ✉] 16:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello to y'all! I hope everybody is doing well. Per suggestion by fellow editor Cukie Gherkin, i dediced to suggest this source to see if it can be deemed as a reliable or unreliable source. I'll explain what it is and how i've used it in various articles: MO5.com is an association dedicated to video games formed in 1996 by Philippe Dubois (all the information related to MO5.com can be found here on the French counterpart of Wikipedia). Currently headed by editor-in-chief Guillaume Verdin, articles published on MO5.com focuses on retro video games, although more modern game releases are also featured. The MO5.com articles can be seen as equivalents to those seen in Gematsu (since it's currently one writer publishing the articles), Time Extension, or the defunct RetroCollect website. Said articles report on homebrew games and demos for older platforms, fan translations, etc. It has been used on several articles such as Knightmare (1986) and Penn & Teller's Smoke and Mirrors. For me, it was also a great wealth of information when reworking the list of Atari Jaguar homebrew games. Feel free to give your opinion regarding MO5.com. Have a nice day everybody! Roberth Martinez ( talk) 01:51, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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A previous discussion noted that this source is unreliable. Should it still be identified as such? — Davest3r08 >:) ( talk) 14:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Want to propose that this publication be removed from the list of reliable publications and rebadged as unreliable. Currently its justification for being reliable dates from 2010.
[4] Since then however it has been through multiple buyouts, and at present looks to be little more than a low-quality content mill.
On basic examination it appears that staff/contributors seem to be based all over the world with little quality control, as many articles look to be written either in a non-English language and then run through a translation tool or AI-generated with strange structural makeup as a result.
Examples from a brief look-in at the site include a piece on Fortnite skin customisation speculation that has no actual content of note but instead reads almost like complete nonsense, [5], and an article on Tekken 8's story mode that not only also reads strangely but ends with an FAQ that asks "does Tekken 8 have a story mode?". [6]
The obvious lack of quality is even evident on author description pages, with an example being the bio of one writer that reads as follows: "During her Creative Writing degree at Bath Spa University, Meghan Coon studying various forms of non-fiction and journalistic writing, with an avid interest in news writing and goal of working as a journalism." [7]
I think it is evident that the site should be regarded as unreliable since at least its most recent buyout in 2022 [8], but given that the reliability was based on the site pre-Resero Network buyout in 2017 I'd argue that the unreliability should stretch back to that as well. [9]
Rambling Rambler ( talk) 22:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Seems like a decline in quality compared to when this Vice article was written. GamerPro64 03:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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Aftermath is a worker-owned and independent news site that focuses mainly on video games and other related topics. Seems like their "About us" page mentions something about them having formerly worked for Kotaku, a reliable source, and also has a list of the staff. I'm not sure what else to look for in terms of determining reliability but if anyone else does and would like to investigate further then feel free! Jurta talk/he/they 23:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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I'm driving some article improvements based on reliable sources. I've found these ambiguous ones. I have no attachment to them, and I'm mostly just looking to see if any of them would qualify as reliable. (I would follow the previous advice on the unreliable sources, unless someone wanted to advocate for them.) Shooterwalker ( talk) 20:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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This was proposed back in 2019 by Jovanmilic97 as a reliable source but no-one responded. I'm working on the Strategic Command series of strategy games and I see this magazine reviewed a lot of the games in this series so it would be good to establish whether it is an RS before I write a whole series of articles relying on it for significant coverage.
As far as I can see it is a pass for WP:NEWSORG since it has a professional editor, the authors who write/wrote for them appear to have been academics, former military officers and so-forth. Whilst it is hard to establish what exactly constitutes expert commentary when it comes to war games, this would appear to be it. The Chicago Tribune listed it 25th out of their 50 best magazines in 2005.
Playing devil's advocate, it ceased to be in print in 2015 though continues online, and it's not clear whether the quality carried over to the online version, though having looked at post-2015 articles these still appear to be written by people who have some level of expertise. Also, it has carried press releases although these are marked "PR" in the title. I don't think either of these points are fatal though.
I supposed it could also be attacked as excessively niche? But the Chicago Tribune endorsement rebuts that point a bit, and it is essentially about military history in general so not all that niche in reality.
The Strategic Command video games series really bridges the internet era, so you can see for each game the decline in video games magazines as a medium. The first game in 2002 was reviewed in a number of prominent, non-niche RS's. The second game in 2006 also. Subsequent games saw less and less coverage in general computer games magazines until it was overwhelmingly just more niche publications, bloggers, and youtubers reviewing them, despite them being just as popular as they ever were as far as I can tell... (sigh). FOARP ( talk) 11:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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Previous discussion 7 years ago appears to be marked "inconclusive".
They have an about and staff bios, some of their staff has experience at other RS publications, and they seem to be at least affiliated with PCGamesN.
On the flip side, I can't find a review / editorial policy, and while I think their reviews are well written, wow they publish a lot of low quality game guide stuff. ~ A412 talk! 18:56, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
The Electric Frontier Foundation is a non-profit digital rights organization founded in 1990. They have covered gaming-related subjects before, and I wanted to know if they are reliable or not. — Davest3r08 >:) ( talk) 13:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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Getting this checked in reference to @ Sonic100jam's edit at Special:Diff/1207563297. I'm confident gamingdead is unreliable, so this apparently webzine needs a look. Concerning to me is the declaration at the Editorial page that they don't have access to developers, publishers or media orgs, and so their news is combed from websites and social media primarily. It would suggest little of their content is original. At least they do have a public editorial page. The about us page makes it clear this is a very small organization with only 4 individuals though, and while they might tick some of the boxes for things we look for, I'm hard pressed to see this more than essentially a group blog. No credentials are presented for any of the staff. -- ferret ( talk) 17:24, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
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Nintendo Wire is an American-based Nintendo focused news website formed in 2015. Their "About" section previously did list the employees but currently I can't get it to work, although I did look further to at least find that one editor has previously edited for other GAMURS Group websites such as TheGamer and Destructoid (more situational than reliable but at least better than unreliable). I mainly bring up this website because this is a website I encounter quite frequently when looking for sources when making articles, but as of now there was only one discussion from 2019 and it was left inconclusive. I'm hoping this can lead to a proper consensus for Nintendo Wire. Captain Galaxy 17:11, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
YouTube is a website which is mostly filled with anonymous and self-published videos that are definitely not going to be considered reliable. However, this doesn't mean that all YouTube videos which aren't from a news website or book author are unreliable and shall never be used at all. For example, some interviews and podcasts can be used as long as they followed the Wikipedia polities and there are some channels that upload videos which are kinda like some Game Informer and Nintendo Life articles. There are some videos which could be listed as having copyright issues (I'm not sure what videos are considered as part). If you want to share your idea and opinions, I would like to see them and I could create a list of YouTube channels that pass WP:PRIMARY. NatwonTSG2 ( talk) 01:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
So maybe a really unique case here. Are reviews from Rawson Stovall from the 1980s considered acceptable? He's a published author and had a syndicated column in newspapers. But he was also a teenager. I fear that I'll come off as ageist with this, but should that be clarified in any way? Andrzejbanas ( talk) 14:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
I believe that placing Giant Bomb under situational makes sense for the reasons listed. Giant Bomb's main content is generally considered reliable (don't know if that's changed), and it seems like a user-generated content issue, which is also an issue that IGN has. I think that Giant Bomb could just as well be listed as reliable, with a warning to make sure that release dates and any content under the wikis are not reliable. - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 00:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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Wish to propose we firmly move post-2023 content from Kotaku to unreliable following this week's discloure of a complete shift away from news reporting to being a "guide" content mill. [13] Currently the site's content from 2023 onwards is described with "while articles published from 2023 onward should generally be avoided due to content farming concerns and unmarked AI-written content" but given this has gone from theoretical concerns to known policy I believe the slightly vague language is no longer suitable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rambling Rambler ( talk • contribs)
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Kakuchopurei is a Southeast Asian video game website that started in 2017. According to its "About Us" section, its coverage ranges from the latest video game news to the realm of pop culture, providing exclusive interviews and YouTube videos on its channel. In addition, it runs a merchandise shop and an eSports event called Liga Esports Antara Parlimen.
I bring this up because I found a Wikipedia article citing its news, whose contents contradict its self-proclaimed reputation. The article Gyaru mentions when Sega was condemned for featuring blackface in the anime based on Hatsune Miku: Colorful Stage! and cites this Kakuchopurei article. The article itself is unnecessarily opinionated and sarcastic, beginning and ending with the author's personal complaint on the Western fanbase. There aren't many Wikipedia articles that cite this, but it still raises concern enough to ask about its reliability here.-- Emiya Mulzomdao ( talk) 12:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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Is Prima Games reliable for non-guide content, in particular reviews? Previous discussion centered around their guides and gameplay content, but they
also publish reviews. Are these reliable? ~
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Is this site reliable for Interviews only? I'm asking because i want to start using it to a degree. example [21] The website itself is currently used in 17 articles according to search and wasn't discussed here yet. Timur9008 ( talk) 11:48, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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All discussions about MobyGames being reliable are over a decade old. On 8 March 2022, it was purchased by Atari SA. They have paid staff, it not just a fansite. Their list of games include the cover art and screenshots of the game, proving they exist, so should be considered a reliable site to for Wikipedia:Verifiability. Dream Focus 14:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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Ruliweb is a South Korea-based website with a video gaming focus formed in 2000. The website has had official sponsorship with domestic video game companies for events, notably Rulicon livestreaming in 2022 with publishers like Sony, Bandai Namco and Blizzard.
Most of the posts on the frontpage are user-submitted contents, which are useless by WP:UGC. All following links are named "information board" or something similar, but are run like internet forums with no moderation process to filter its contents prior: [22] [23] [24] [25] [26]
There are some articles in Ruliweb written by official staff, but they have their own issues. The About Us page only discloses the fact that its current publisher is Park Byeong Uk (박병욱) and editor-in-chief is Lee Jang Won (이장원). Park is the founder of the website with no connection to journalism otherwise (if this interview with Donga is to be trusted). Lee's Linkedin page states he was in Entershot and Gameshot previously, but neither are particularly known for high standard journalism. About Us has no information on the website's editorial process.
Ruliweb's articles do not have info pages for individual journalists, making it difficult to tell who they are or how long they've worked there, and are generally poor at authorship practices. Take this review of Unicorn Overlord published in March 2024 for example. Confusingly, this post's author is credited as "(RULIWEB`Д')/" on its profile. The author's name comes up in the video game infobox, but only as their nickname "Graz'zy". It isn't until when you scroll all down (but before scrolling past user comments) that you can finally see the author is Kim Yeong Hun (김영훈). This is one of the better ones. The review of Dragon's Dogma 2 only credits the author as "Mustang" and does not disclose who the person actually is.
Despite the website's connections to gaming industry, its general reliance on user-generated contents and dubious transparency of articles suggest its interest lies in sponsored contents, which would also disqualify it by WP:SPONSORED. I suggest this website be flagged unreliable. There aren't a lot of Wikipedia articles citing Ruliweb but I thought it was necessary to bring it up because, due to being a non-English source, it might be hard to realize the website is not trustworthy.-- Emiya Mulzomdao ( talk) 09:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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So this was declared unreliable back in 2014 [27], but in a discussion that, in my eyes, didn't stand a WP:SNOW of a chance due to being heavily promoted by an editor affiliated with the site. I'd like to give this a second run, as I think it's a reasonable source.
Find video game sources: "That Park Place" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo Seeing this pop up in my google news sources as of late, and honestly nothing about this site looks reliable. Their editor in chief is Bounding Into Comics' former editor in chief to boot, which also raises some red flags for me given that site's history. Seems open and shut, but bringing it up for discussion to be safe. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 15:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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I haven't seen anyone open a discussion on Second Wind yet, so here's some general thoughts/notes:
Independent outlet made up of former Escapist employees. They primarily cover gaming, film, and television mostly doing reviews and opinion pieces. They post videos on YouTube, and written columns on Patreon. Most of the written columns are paywalled which is annoying for us editors, but of course doesn't disqualify them per WP:PAYWALL. They are unfortunately lacking a proper "about us" page, they just have this short blurb. EIC Nick Calandra seems to be pretty responsive to people on Twitter so you could probably get in touch with him if you want more details on their editorial policies.
They have 10ish fulltime employees. Some key people are: Editor-in-Chief is Nick Calandra who was Escapist EIC from 2019-2023. He has a bachelor’s degree in Multimedia Journalism and worked at a few different smaller outlets prior to The Escapist. Darren Mooney appears to be a notable film critic and published author. Marty Sliva formerly worked at 1UP and IGN, both of which are reliable gaming sources. And of course Yahtzee Croshaw is still around; previous discussions of the Escapist have indicated that his reviews are fine to use.
One thing to note is The Escapist is listed as a situational source but has gone through multiple eras of management/ownership. The last discussion on The Escapist was in 2017 while Calandra and his team (who would go on to become Second Wind) started in 2019. So other than Yahtzee who was there the whole time, past evaluations of The Escapist aren't really applicable to the current Second Wind team.
Personally, I think they seem fine. I've been following their content and haven't noticed anything objectionable. CurlyWi ( talk) 20:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Hey. Can anyone add this new site since 2022 to the main page? It's similar to Adventure Gamers. One co founder was former editor at Adventure Gamers..They also have a small policies page. Check it.
https://adventuregamehotspot.com/about
Also, can someone amend notes for wargamer dot com slightly to indicate it's more focused on tabletop matters since former site's design's closure in early 2021 or so? Before it used to show lots more digital/PC wargaming news. These are almost supplanted by PCGamesN (which is under same network company, Network N).
ObiKKa ( talk) 05:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Modojo" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo Haven't seen this source discussed yet, so I might as well bring it here. They're a website that covers mobile games (and occasionally review them too). They're listed on Metacritic. TWOrantulaTM ( enter the web) 23:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
With Counter-Strike being one of the leading eSports games, I find it surprisingly difficult to get reliable sources that are in WP:VGRS. And that is for the best players in the world, the Counter-Strike Major trophy holders. Imagine struggling to find links for Cristiano Ronaldo that match WP:VGRS.
There have been various discussions that HLTV won't be included in this list. While it's a pity considering that is the main reporting source for Counter-Strike scores, it's understandable. Can we add at least some sites that are actually used for Counter-Strike news reporting? I suppose the same situation is with Valorant and VLR.gg but that's a different topic.
A few that could be added: 1. https://www.esports.net/ 2. https://www.oneesports.gg/ 3. https://press.pglesports.com/
Overall, I just want to raise the obvious issue that the sites currently in WP:VGRS are not covering the top game esports news. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Latviawikiman ( talk • contribs) 05:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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Is NintendoLife reliable or unreliable? Cause I would really like to know. Same with Polygon and Screenrant. NintendoTTTEfan2005 ( talk) 05:43, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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Found this website while looking for sources for a fan-game of Undertale, and I was wondering if this could have any semblance of notability? I'm not fluent in French, so if anyone who is can help with determining this source's reliability, I'd appreciate that! Source seems to have a handy list of authors available ( [1]), which I guess could be a good starting point, but I'm not sure if they have an about page anywhere. Jurta talk/he/they 20:04, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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Surely, there are links to Box Equals Art (stylized as BOX=ART) across 13 articles as of this post, but is it a reliable source for crediting people with cover arts?
I did a web search to find out more information from the website, created in 2013 and run by a single person named Adam Gidney. There is surprisingly little information about the site—not a good indicator of reliability–and it does not help that one cannot search for the equal sign in results. I did, however, find one Nintendo Life article about Mr. Gidney's interview with box artist Tom Dubois. As a note, the website was last online early this year and redirects to Original Video Game Art, another website about game cover arts, which has its own page on the now-defunct website. That website is unfortunately less useful than Box Equals Art, but at least some of this site's content migrated there. I remember seeing on Wikipedia articles links to a video game website about cover arts and visiting it, but not the site's name. The fact that it went offline was why I was having trouble finding the website, and after searching Wikipedia's articles for links to the website, I found one to Box Equals Art, and judging by the layout, which I remember somewhat, that is the name of the website.
On the bright side, the website noted on its homepage first in 2018 that "Box arts are only credited to their original artist if confirmed through the artist themselves, a visible artist signature is found or the artist is credited in the game manual." This suggests a commitment to using official or first-party sources, and I like that. I also like that in at least one article, an artist (Mr. Dubois) was involved in Mr. Gidney's writing of a biographical article about him. The layout is also not far off from professional, respected video game outlets, nor is the grammar and style of writing, which is encouraging.
Until more information surfaces about Box Equals Art or Adam Gidney, it is hard for me to recommend that Wikipedia use it, but I cannot outright reject it either. An "unreliable" result would only affect the 13 articles, but a "reliable" result would likely be helpful to only dozens or, at the very most, hundreds more out of the more than 40,000 articles. Some of the credit information is confirmable with artist signatures, credits in the games' manuals, and information from other sources anyway. Thoughts? Free Media Kid$ 03:32, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
I have begun to remove citations of Box Equals Art. Of the original 13 references, six have been removed, and so far, I have not faced opposition. In each of those cases, I was able to replace them with high-quality sources, though that might not last long, given my trouble finding others. Free Media Kid$ 09:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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Ran across this, and I haven't seen it discussed here. While the articles aren't badly written, something feels off. Their Contact Us page only lists staff, and checking the EIC on MuckRack shows she's written for a lot of publications but no real credentials. There's something else bugging me: when looking for sources for an article I found this...but a lot of the wording and setup feels very similar to Kenneth Shephard's articles on the subject. I don't want to outright claim AI, but something feels really off with how this is written especially with the FAQ bit at the end.
There's also the weird case of AI art that's stolen from other sites that has nothing to do with the article they're in? Unless Golf's suddenly become a lot more hardcore than I knew something is very weird with this website. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 17:02, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
Now I'm going to preface this by right out saying a large part of the "Valnet" sources are indeed, crap. Same situation with Kotaku really: both either pull off a lot of lists that say nothing, or report on whatever thing tickles reddit's fancy. I'm not arguing for those sources with this. I get that's why the company as a whole has a hard identity as a content farm.
But I feel editorial pieces, stuff that examine and discuss a topic in depth, should have some leeway to helping to define a subject as notable. There are some actually good pieces hidden in there, and they can offer some good commentary on a subject and possibly views that aren't discussed in other avenues. Hell even some of their more fleshed out lists can offer some bits of commentary in this vein, and more meat than stuff like GameDaily or UGO.com have in the past (the progenitors, as it were I feel, of anti-list views on here with how poor they were).
Keep in mind saying this, I'm not arguing "let's build an article with just valnet sources and make that the norm!" But if we have some discussion provided in other outlets, I don't think well written Valnet sources should automatically "not count" entirely, as presented by the list here, and instead encourage that they may be seen as lesser quality sources in that regard on a case-by-base basis.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 03:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
I couldn't see them on the list, but are MinnMax considered a reliable source? Their interviews are becoming increasingly useful as a source of information and are often cited by other websites. 2A00:23C6:8281:A501:D561:FF37:A03C:5542 ( talk) 12:39, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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CharlieIntel is an esports tabloid website that mostly creates content for Call of Duty, but dabbles in content for other franchises such as Pokemon and Overwatch as well. It's owned by Dexerto and effectively functions and writes the same content as it, but without nearly as much unfiltered output on Twitter and more game guide content. I also don't believe this site has any editorial policy to be seen and no credentials are provided on the about page, which makes me assume it follows the same as Dexerto, but I could be wrong.
Personally, I believe this site to be an open and shut unreliable for the exact same reasons why I argued Dexerto to be unreliable at the noticeboard, being a tabloid publication that rarely provides content of actual substance, even more so when it mostly writes game guide content, and my reasoning being strengthened due to this site in particular having no clear editorial policy or credentials. It should be fairly obvious that this source is not suitable to be used, but a site-wide consensus at the reliable sources noticeboard was that Dexerto could possibly be used for its esports coverage, which CharlieIntel falls under, meaning that it can be used as a source ( and is already used by 100 Wikipedia pages) and this is exactly why I'm here bringing this source to be discussed and vetted. Negative MP1 23:17, 20 December 2023 (UTC)
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The last discussion on TechRaptor was in 2014(!) apparently here. Since then they've been cited in multiple books and scholarly looks from a quick google search, and their About Us page also mentions them taking a hard stance against AI-generated articles. They do feel like a significant cut above some of the websites out there at this point.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 05:25, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Correction, there was a second discussion in 2018.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 05:29, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Could we please remove New York Times from the CSE? I know it's reliable, I know we list it, but it almost never comes up in context and has a tendency to drown results for games with common words in their names. -- ferret ( talk) 01:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
It doesn't specify, but I noticed that some content is community made. This one [2] is listed as a community-written post, but is also a "Featured Blog". I don't see any community post exception, though I do assume that randos posting blogs on the site should be excluded, with an advisory on its entry on this page. However, does being a Featured Blog carry any merit? - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 17:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
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Mod DB has been on our unreliable list for quite some time, but its sister site Indie DB has seemingly never been discussed. I recently had a discussion with a COI editor who would like to fix an incorrect credit on I Hate Running Backwards. Since no secondary sources exist on this particular matter, I suggested that a novel primary source (such as a presskit) could be used for information as uncontroversial as this. The user, who is the CEO of the game's developer, has now updated the presskit hosted at Indie DB. At a glance, it appears that only the game's "owner" has the ability to edit this presskit, although I am not sure how one coems to be the owner. Do we accept primary sources from Indie DB in this manner? This would likely not be limited to presskits but also include articles written about a game by its owner, i.e. devlogs. IceWelder [ ✉] 16:05, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello to y'all! I hope everybody is doing well. Per suggestion by fellow editor Cukie Gherkin, i dediced to suggest this source to see if it can be deemed as a reliable or unreliable source. I'll explain what it is and how i've used it in various articles: MO5.com is an association dedicated to video games formed in 1996 by Philippe Dubois (all the information related to MO5.com can be found here on the French counterpart of Wikipedia). Currently headed by editor-in-chief Guillaume Verdin, articles published on MO5.com focuses on retro video games, although more modern game releases are also featured. The MO5.com articles can be seen as equivalents to those seen in Gematsu (since it's currently one writer publishing the articles), Time Extension, or the defunct RetroCollect website. Said articles report on homebrew games and demos for older platforms, fan translations, etc. It has been used on several articles such as Knightmare (1986) and Penn & Teller's Smoke and Mirrors. For me, it was also a great wealth of information when reworking the list of Atari Jaguar homebrew games. Feel free to give your opinion regarding MO5.com. Have a nice day everybody! Roberth Martinez ( talk) 01:51, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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A previous discussion noted that this source is unreliable. Should it still be identified as such? — Davest3r08 >:) ( talk) 14:35, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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Want to propose that this publication be removed from the list of reliable publications and rebadged as unreliable. Currently its justification for being reliable dates from 2010.
[4] Since then however it has been through multiple buyouts, and at present looks to be little more than a low-quality content mill.
On basic examination it appears that staff/contributors seem to be based all over the world with little quality control, as many articles look to be written either in a non-English language and then run through a translation tool or AI-generated with strange structural makeup as a result.
Examples from a brief look-in at the site include a piece on Fortnite skin customisation speculation that has no actual content of note but instead reads almost like complete nonsense, [5], and an article on Tekken 8's story mode that not only also reads strangely but ends with an FAQ that asks "does Tekken 8 have a story mode?". [6]
The obvious lack of quality is even evident on author description pages, with an example being the bio of one writer that reads as follows: "During her Creative Writing degree at Bath Spa University, Meghan Coon studying various forms of non-fiction and journalistic writing, with an avid interest in news writing and goal of working as a journalism." [7]
I think it is evident that the site should be regarded as unreliable since at least its most recent buyout in 2022 [8], but given that the reliability was based on the site pre-Resero Network buyout in 2017 I'd argue that the unreliability should stretch back to that as well. [9]
Rambling Rambler ( talk) 22:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Seems like a decline in quality compared to when this Vice article was written. GamerPro64 03:39, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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Aftermath is a worker-owned and independent news site that focuses mainly on video games and other related topics. Seems like their "About us" page mentions something about them having formerly worked for Kotaku, a reliable source, and also has a list of the staff. I'm not sure what else to look for in terms of determining reliability but if anyone else does and would like to investigate further then feel free! Jurta talk/he/they 23:04, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
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I'm driving some article improvements based on reliable sources. I've found these ambiguous ones. I have no attachment to them, and I'm mostly just looking to see if any of them would qualify as reliable. (I would follow the previous advice on the unreliable sources, unless someone wanted to advocate for them.) Shooterwalker ( talk) 20:06, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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This was proposed back in 2019 by Jovanmilic97 as a reliable source but no-one responded. I'm working on the Strategic Command series of strategy games and I see this magazine reviewed a lot of the games in this series so it would be good to establish whether it is an RS before I write a whole series of articles relying on it for significant coverage.
As far as I can see it is a pass for WP:NEWSORG since it has a professional editor, the authors who write/wrote for them appear to have been academics, former military officers and so-forth. Whilst it is hard to establish what exactly constitutes expert commentary when it comes to war games, this would appear to be it. The Chicago Tribune listed it 25th out of their 50 best magazines in 2005.
Playing devil's advocate, it ceased to be in print in 2015 though continues online, and it's not clear whether the quality carried over to the online version, though having looked at post-2015 articles these still appear to be written by people who have some level of expertise. Also, it has carried press releases although these are marked "PR" in the title. I don't think either of these points are fatal though.
I supposed it could also be attacked as excessively niche? But the Chicago Tribune endorsement rebuts that point a bit, and it is essentially about military history in general so not all that niche in reality.
The Strategic Command video games series really bridges the internet era, so you can see for each game the decline in video games magazines as a medium. The first game in 2002 was reviewed in a number of prominent, non-niche RS's. The second game in 2006 also. Subsequent games saw less and less coverage in general computer games magazines until it was overwhelmingly just more niche publications, bloggers, and youtubers reviewing them, despite them being just as popular as they ever were as far as I can tell... (sigh). FOARP ( talk) 11:39, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
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Previous discussion 7 years ago appears to be marked "inconclusive".
They have an about and staff bios, some of their staff has experience at other RS publications, and they seem to be at least affiliated with PCGamesN.
On the flip side, I can't find a review / editorial policy, and while I think their reviews are well written, wow they publish a lot of low quality game guide stuff. ~ A412 talk! 18:56, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
The Electric Frontier Foundation is a non-profit digital rights organization founded in 1990. They have covered gaming-related subjects before, and I wanted to know if they are reliable or not. — Davest3r08 >:) ( talk) 13:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
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Getting this checked in reference to @ Sonic100jam's edit at Special:Diff/1207563297. I'm confident gamingdead is unreliable, so this apparently webzine needs a look. Concerning to me is the declaration at the Editorial page that they don't have access to developers, publishers or media orgs, and so their news is combed from websites and social media primarily. It would suggest little of their content is original. At least they do have a public editorial page. The about us page makes it clear this is a very small organization with only 4 individuals though, and while they might tick some of the boxes for things we look for, I'm hard pressed to see this more than essentially a group blog. No credentials are presented for any of the staff. -- ferret ( talk) 17:24, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
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Nintendo Wire is an American-based Nintendo focused news website formed in 2015. Their "About" section previously did list the employees but currently I can't get it to work, although I did look further to at least find that one editor has previously edited for other GAMURS Group websites such as TheGamer and Destructoid (more situational than reliable but at least better than unreliable). I mainly bring up this website because this is a website I encounter quite frequently when looking for sources when making articles, but as of now there was only one discussion from 2019 and it was left inconclusive. I'm hoping this can lead to a proper consensus for Nintendo Wire. Captain Galaxy 17:11, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
YouTube is a website which is mostly filled with anonymous and self-published videos that are definitely not going to be considered reliable. However, this doesn't mean that all YouTube videos which aren't from a news website or book author are unreliable and shall never be used at all. For example, some interviews and podcasts can be used as long as they followed the Wikipedia polities and there are some channels that upload videos which are kinda like some Game Informer and Nintendo Life articles. There are some videos which could be listed as having copyright issues (I'm not sure what videos are considered as part). If you want to share your idea and opinions, I would like to see them and I could create a list of YouTube channels that pass WP:PRIMARY. NatwonTSG2 ( talk) 01:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
So maybe a really unique case here. Are reviews from Rawson Stovall from the 1980s considered acceptable? He's a published author and had a syndicated column in newspapers. But he was also a teenager. I fear that I'll come off as ageist with this, but should that be clarified in any way? Andrzejbanas ( talk) 14:13, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
I believe that placing Giant Bomb under situational makes sense for the reasons listed. Giant Bomb's main content is generally considered reliable (don't know if that's changed), and it seems like a user-generated content issue, which is also an issue that IGN has. I think that Giant Bomb could just as well be listed as reliable, with a warning to make sure that release dates and any content under the wikis are not reliable. - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 00:42, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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Wish to propose we firmly move post-2023 content from Kotaku to unreliable following this week's discloure of a complete shift away from news reporting to being a "guide" content mill. [13] Currently the site's content from 2023 onwards is described with "while articles published from 2023 onward should generally be avoided due to content farming concerns and unmarked AI-written content" but given this has gone from theoretical concerns to known policy I believe the slightly vague language is no longer suitable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rambling Rambler ( talk • contribs)
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Kakuchopurei is a Southeast Asian video game website that started in 2017. According to its "About Us" section, its coverage ranges from the latest video game news to the realm of pop culture, providing exclusive interviews and YouTube videos on its channel. In addition, it runs a merchandise shop and an eSports event called Liga Esports Antara Parlimen.
I bring this up because I found a Wikipedia article citing its news, whose contents contradict its self-proclaimed reputation. The article Gyaru mentions when Sega was condemned for featuring blackface in the anime based on Hatsune Miku: Colorful Stage! and cites this Kakuchopurei article. The article itself is unnecessarily opinionated and sarcastic, beginning and ending with the author's personal complaint on the Western fanbase. There aren't many Wikipedia articles that cite this, but it still raises concern enough to ask about its reliability here.-- Emiya Mulzomdao ( talk) 12:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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Is Prima Games reliable for non-guide content, in particular reviews? Previous discussion centered around their guides and gameplay content, but they
also publish reviews. Are these reliable? ~
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Is this site reliable for Interviews only? I'm asking because i want to start using it to a degree. example [21] The website itself is currently used in 17 articles according to search and wasn't discussed here yet. Timur9008 ( talk) 11:48, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
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All discussions about MobyGames being reliable are over a decade old. On 8 March 2022, it was purchased by Atari SA. They have paid staff, it not just a fansite. Their list of games include the cover art and screenshots of the game, proving they exist, so should be considered a reliable site to for Wikipedia:Verifiability. Dream Focus 14:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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Ruliweb is a South Korea-based website with a video gaming focus formed in 2000. The website has had official sponsorship with domestic video game companies for events, notably Rulicon livestreaming in 2022 with publishers like Sony, Bandai Namco and Blizzard.
Most of the posts on the frontpage are user-submitted contents, which are useless by WP:UGC. All following links are named "information board" or something similar, but are run like internet forums with no moderation process to filter its contents prior: [22] [23] [24] [25] [26]
There are some articles in Ruliweb written by official staff, but they have their own issues. The About Us page only discloses the fact that its current publisher is Park Byeong Uk (박병욱) and editor-in-chief is Lee Jang Won (이장원). Park is the founder of the website with no connection to journalism otherwise (if this interview with Donga is to be trusted). Lee's Linkedin page states he was in Entershot and Gameshot previously, but neither are particularly known for high standard journalism. About Us has no information on the website's editorial process.
Ruliweb's articles do not have info pages for individual journalists, making it difficult to tell who they are or how long they've worked there, and are generally poor at authorship practices. Take this review of Unicorn Overlord published in March 2024 for example. Confusingly, this post's author is credited as "(RULIWEB`Д')/" on its profile. The author's name comes up in the video game infobox, but only as their nickname "Graz'zy". It isn't until when you scroll all down (but before scrolling past user comments) that you can finally see the author is Kim Yeong Hun (김영훈). This is one of the better ones. The review of Dragon's Dogma 2 only credits the author as "Mustang" and does not disclose who the person actually is.
Despite the website's connections to gaming industry, its general reliance on user-generated contents and dubious transparency of articles suggest its interest lies in sponsored contents, which would also disqualify it by WP:SPONSORED. I suggest this website be flagged unreliable. There aren't a lot of Wikipedia articles citing Ruliweb but I thought it was necessary to bring it up because, due to being a non-English source, it might be hard to realize the website is not trustworthy.-- Emiya Mulzomdao ( talk) 09:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
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So this was declared unreliable back in 2014 [27], but in a discussion that, in my eyes, didn't stand a WP:SNOW of a chance due to being heavily promoted by an editor affiliated with the site. I'd like to give this a second run, as I think it's a reasonable source.
Find video game sources: "That Park Place" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo Seeing this pop up in my google news sources as of late, and honestly nothing about this site looks reliable. Their editor in chief is Bounding Into Comics' former editor in chief to boot, which also raises some red flags for me given that site's history. Seems open and shut, but bringing it up for discussion to be safe. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 15:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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I haven't seen anyone open a discussion on Second Wind yet, so here's some general thoughts/notes:
Independent outlet made up of former Escapist employees. They primarily cover gaming, film, and television mostly doing reviews and opinion pieces. They post videos on YouTube, and written columns on Patreon. Most of the written columns are paywalled which is annoying for us editors, but of course doesn't disqualify them per WP:PAYWALL. They are unfortunately lacking a proper "about us" page, they just have this short blurb. EIC Nick Calandra seems to be pretty responsive to people on Twitter so you could probably get in touch with him if you want more details on their editorial policies.
They have 10ish fulltime employees. Some key people are: Editor-in-Chief is Nick Calandra who was Escapist EIC from 2019-2023. He has a bachelor’s degree in Multimedia Journalism and worked at a few different smaller outlets prior to The Escapist. Darren Mooney appears to be a notable film critic and published author. Marty Sliva formerly worked at 1UP and IGN, both of which are reliable gaming sources. And of course Yahtzee Croshaw is still around; previous discussions of the Escapist have indicated that his reviews are fine to use.
One thing to note is The Escapist is listed as a situational source but has gone through multiple eras of management/ownership. The last discussion on The Escapist was in 2017 while Calandra and his team (who would go on to become Second Wind) started in 2019. So other than Yahtzee who was there the whole time, past evaluations of The Escapist aren't really applicable to the current Second Wind team.
Personally, I think they seem fine. I've been following their content and haven't noticed anything objectionable. CurlyWi ( talk) 20:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Hey. Can anyone add this new site since 2022 to the main page? It's similar to Adventure Gamers. One co founder was former editor at Adventure Gamers..They also have a small policies page. Check it.
https://adventuregamehotspot.com/about
Also, can someone amend notes for wargamer dot com slightly to indicate it's more focused on tabletop matters since former site's design's closure in early 2021 or so? Before it used to show lots more digital/PC wargaming news. These are almost supplanted by PCGamesN (which is under same network company, Network N).
ObiKKa ( talk) 05:18, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Find video game sources: "Modojo" – news · newspapers · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images · free news sources · TWL · NYT · WP reference · VG/RS · VG/RL · WPVG/Talk · LinkSearch · LinkTo Haven't seen this source discussed yet, so I might as well bring it here. They're a website that covers mobile games (and occasionally review them too). They're listed on Metacritic. TWOrantulaTM ( enter the web) 23:20, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
With Counter-Strike being one of the leading eSports games, I find it surprisingly difficult to get reliable sources that are in WP:VGRS. And that is for the best players in the world, the Counter-Strike Major trophy holders. Imagine struggling to find links for Cristiano Ronaldo that match WP:VGRS.
There have been various discussions that HLTV won't be included in this list. While it's a pity considering that is the main reporting source for Counter-Strike scores, it's understandable. Can we add at least some sites that are actually used for Counter-Strike news reporting? I suppose the same situation is with Valorant and VLR.gg but that's a different topic.
A few that could be added: 1. https://www.esports.net/ 2. https://www.oneesports.gg/ 3. https://press.pglesports.com/
Overall, I just want to raise the obvious issue that the sites currently in WP:VGRS are not covering the top game esports news. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Latviawikiman ( talk • contribs) 05:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)