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We need to get our eSports game together. There's a cottage industry of eSports-related articles that are using their own line of sources and most of them are not good but they're slipping through the notability guidelines because no one is bothering to check. A list of common sources is available here. To copy-paste the reliable and unreliable columns:
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Questionable/Unreliable
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This doesn't even include the non-English sources. I'd like to get some final calls on these topics, especially the ones sponsored by companies but with no hallmarks of reliability. czar 21:21, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Sovetsky Sport, "Советский Спорт" (literally "Soviet Sports" abbreviated "Sovsport") is an active Russian daily newspaper founded in 1924 and http://www.sovsport.ru/ is its online website ( Russian wiki page). http://www.sovsport.ru/tag-item/100175 is the e-sport ("киберспорт") tagged articles. Most content looks like tertiary sources, not extensive, but most likely fact-checked. Being a long-standing print newspaper, I would call it reliable. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 14:50, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
The past conversation seemed to show a general consensus for reliability for RedBull Games and Redbull in general, so I would think unless there's some sort of significant difference to their esports coverage, or some new development, that we'd have them be reliable for the esports area too. Sergecross73 msg me 14:28, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Apparently a poker mag that apparently now has an e-sports section. Not sure about the state of the print mag and most posts are from Nick Shively who wrote for mmogames.com (see the separate discussion for them) and has a 2015 journalism degree in his byline. On a larger scale, lots of these sites appear to be other journalism outlets that have opened a small, experimental e-sports section just to see how it fares. czar 20:41, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
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So many sources, not enough time. I'd like recall Absolute Games, which hasn't had a specific discussion but was cited in a recent AfD. I poked through the site's staff and archives and they do not appear to have any editorial mechanisms apart from paying editors per review... The pay and the real names are a start, but I don't see the editorship or markers of quality that would make its content reliable. I know it has a reputation as one of the oldest Russian gaming sites, but I'm not seeing the professionality that would make it a Russian equivalent of, say, an IGN. czar 17:34, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
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I've seen this be used in a couple of articles but there doesn't seem to have been any consensus on its reliability here yet. GamerPro64 20:10, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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Listed as RS per WP:SILENCE. Bringing up as concerns have been expressed.
NOTICE: Editors are not anoymous, but sigh with full name only in paid materials, therefore their identity has to be confirmed through manual search. In rating the service (website), you should take into consideration only the rating in the reviews, not combined." Piotrus also adds that "The last sentence is not clear to me, even in Polish". Basically it sounds to me like a version of our own "some content may be reliable, but only if the author can be established as such" which Czar points out above is really just a rewording of our normal WP:RS guidelines. In general I'm inclined to accept the vetting of Polish sources that pl.wikipedia editors have provided for their own WP:VG because their version of WP:VG/RS was nearly word-for-word the same as en.wikipedia's, but I'm not sure how active their WP:VG is and the website may have changed a lot since 2011 when it was added and disclaimered by Sirmann. I'd be interested in the opinion of Sir Lothar as well since he is active with en.wiki's WP:VG and he seems to have been active at pl.wiki's WP:VG in those days. Otherwise I'm happy to accept any consensus on the reliability of the source that we form here. - Thibbs ( talk) 11:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
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I know I tend to be the bringer of unreliability, so it's nice to have this instead. I think this game dev-oriented mag is an easy add. Published by NewBay Media, and a sister publication to MCV. Team has experience and industry background (access Writers from drop-down on upper right). czar 20:32, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
( diff) @ Salvidrim!, wouldn't this be the same situation as IGN or Giant Bomb? (In that, we use their writing as reliable but not their database information and wiki pages.) GameSpot is in the "reliable" table up top anyway, so I didn't think the edit would be controversial. Perhaps we can add notes to remind that while articles may have editorial vetting, the databases may or do not? czar 22:49, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
I have to agree with Czar that presence of user content shouldn't place a source in situational, when that is not the primary focus of the source. We should make notes when there are known issues. Every source should be used with care regardless in case the material is dubious, reliable or not. On the obvious spectrum, there are forums, comments, and wikis on many sites. On less obvious end (which we should note if possible) are the cataloging issues, unmarked user content, unverified PRs, copy-pastes from other sites, etc. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 23:12, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
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I have happened to find this site when I was in the process of verifying information on
Halo 5: Guardians, and one article about its first announced release date actually is comparable to other websites which say the same thing, but I am unsure as to whether the website really verifies the information. Surely, there, I have found some YouTube videos which were published by Microsoft, and those appear to be the only sources of that article, leaving me suspicious about the website's overall quality of reliability. After all, it is powered by
WordPress.com, but, then again, the "About Us" area does look promising. Has any of you thoughts about the website's overall reliability?
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This site along with
Inquisitr seems good, but I need help with knowing about its reliability.
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This site was brought up twice before with no discussion ( Archive_2#Atari Age, Archive_4#Atari Age). About page. They haven't posted anything prominent on their reputation for reliability or fact-checking, and there's no staff list to review their credentials. czar 16:28, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
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Saw this one from Pony Island and this being listed on OpenCritic. I'm not seeing any professionalism from their about page. Though one of them wrote for VICE. But that qualify this site being reliable in my book. Unreliable. GamerPro64 03:30, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
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Is this still considered an unreliable source? Here is the previous discussion: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources/Archive_4#mmorpg.com. I'm checking because the website is still being used on a bunch of mainspace articles ( [7]) and I'd like to get them citations removed/replaced if so. -- The1337gamer ( talk) 17:33, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
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This site's about page and Twitter account goes on and on about how it isn't a professional site. I think they made the case for us. Previous discussion cites how the site claims to have been serious back in the day, but I think that's conjecture unless someone can find coverage from that era and any sign that it's reliable. Absent any editorial policy, this is a hobbyist site. czar 21:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
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So I have lots of questions about this source—I almost exclusively see it used with an author who apparently hasn't written much for the site before. There have been several discussions about the site (our main page links more than several but many don't discuss the site at all), but I wanted to first ask about "reader retroviews" such as the following: [8] These are written by readers, right? Was there any editorial quality process here? czar 17:14, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
PocketGamer is listed as defunct but the UK site at least is still online. Or is this an unrelated PocketGamer? http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/ -- ferret ( talk) 22:01, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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I'd like to think they're reliable because if you look on their
about page, they have editor staff. I wanna make sure this is okay to use before I put it into other articles (or if I'll have to remove it from the
Rust (video game) article I'm working on).
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I assume it's OK to use instruction manuals as a reliable source when citing video game statements about, for example, controls, gameplay systems etc? Popcornduff ( talk) 08:06, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
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Is this site reliable? I don't know if it's enough or even matters, but it has been mentioned in some books about smartphones and smartphone apps: The Business of iPhone and iPad App Development, iPhone 4S Made Simple, Apps for Librarians.-- IDV talk 16:33, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Is Retro Gamer (retrogamer.net) a reliable source for WP? 152.250.143.1 ( talk) 23:26, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
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This site currently shows up as a source on the situational search and I'm wondering if it really should be there because it's just a fan site. Staff page, About page. Here's the previous discussion: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources/Archive_10#Gamnesia. One person decided it should be listed as situational but nobody else really gave a definitive opinion. -- The1337gamer ( talk) 10:49, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
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When I was in the process of verifying content of
Halo 5: Guardians, I eventually came across with GamerNode, a website which I vaguely remember. There are only a few contributors in the "About" section, and I am not sure about the website's overall reliability, so I need a clear consensus, concerning its reliability. It is likely to be "Nay." (which would make the website "Unreliable.").
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From the simple idea of an independent site “for gamers, by gamers”[9]
GamerNode is seeking diligent, hard-working games industry enthusiasts ... At the moment, this is a volunteer position, so “enthusiast” is the key word here.[10] Hobbyist website, no hallmarks of editorial quality. czar 05:30, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
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This has been heavily discussed only to have no formed consensus, so I would like to find out whether it is a reliable source or not.
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Came across this when looking at Rise of Mana. Saw they have an ethics statement. GamerPro64 02:07, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
What's our stance on using IGN non-English versions, i.e. all the [17]? Do we consider them reliable as part of IGN network or do we have to vet them and do we go one at a time? It does seem like these are partnerships and name licensing with "local media experts" [18]. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 13:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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This is a large collection of materials about Japanese games - things like interviews with Japanese developers - translated into English. To me it looks like the translations are pretty thorough (I speak a little Japanese), but I don't know if it meets Wiki standards for reliability. What do you guys think? Popcornduff ( talk) 04:28, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Incidentally: what are the rules for using translations generally? If this site is considered unreliable, could I track down the original materials in Japanese (eg a Japanese strategy guide or magazine), translate them myself, and cite that? Or does that constitute original research, because there might be no way I can demonstrate my translation was accurate, or something? Popcornduff ( talk) 04:33, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Shmuplations is directed by a single person, who has studied Japanese as a teenager, graduated in the language at UC Berkeley, and lived in Japan for a while after that. They allow various contributors onto their website, and I hope they fact-check the translations of these contributors. It's hard to say, though. Has the creator of Shmuplations been involved with professional translating companies? I can't even figure out their name, let alone their background other than what they shared through the About-page. ~ Mable ( chat) 09:45, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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I'm curious what everyone makes of Browsergamez.com, currently being used as a source at Dawn of gods. It has an editorial staff but one apparently without journalistic credentials or experience. A representative article is short on details and features a prominent "play this game now" button. And, perhaps most importantly, it doesn't appear to be cited by any reliable sources, which generally indicates no reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. I'd consider this yet another unreliable, light-on-content, heavy-on-advertising browser game site. Opinions? Woodroar ( talk) 02:24, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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As I've previously alluded, I think we've been a little too lenient on our mobile game review sites. I've written a fair amount of GAs in this area, and the one that bothers me most is 148Apps. Previous discussions: 1, 2. It was accepted on the basis of how other sources wrote about it, but I followed the links and the site was either one among many mobile sites (many of which we do not find reliable) or only praised as an aside—not as a real qualitative measure of its content. All in all, the site does not have the pedigree we require of other sites or any of the hallmarks of editorial quality (editorial policy, reputation, editor background, etc.) I think it needs another look. I should add that I've written a number of mobile game GAs—perhaps the most in the project—and have used this site many times in my work. Still, I think it's the weakest of our vetted mobile sites. czar 19:53, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
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I have recently used the site as a source for
Halo 5: Guardians, and, now, I am going to look at the "About" section just to make sure that I had done it right.
Gamingforfun365
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Currently we have two custom search engines available - one for RSes and one for Situational RSes. I maintain them and I've had a lot of help from Czar and Hellknowz in tweaking them. My initial philosophy was that the less filtering they received, the better. I would rather have had too many results and have had to ignore the ones that were unusable than to lose possibly good results. So at first the tweaks were entirely based on removal of non-RS portions (e.g. user-generated areas of RS websites, user blogs, forum posts, etc.). As time has gone on I've had a change of heart and there has been an undiscussed change (topic #1 below) that I'd be interested in receiving comment on. Other issues have also come up and should be discussed here at the community level.
If it seems like a good idea then please cross post this to the main talk (WT:VG), and feel free to ping anyone that might be interested in this topic. Sorry about the longwinded post. Thanks for your consideration. - Thibbs ( talk) 20:19, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
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Doesn't have any hallmarks of editorial quality from its about page alone, but perhaps it had wider influence? czar 15:29, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
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IGR is a collective of independent gamers and developers – or in other words – just people who love games and writing about them
— About page
This page was recently deleted and its reliability was questioned at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ancient Trader/archive2. I, myself, do not see any hallmarks of editorial quality or discretion. No indication that it isn't more than a hobbyist site. czar 14:45, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
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I was trying to source
Wolfenstein 3D—specifically the Gameplay section in order to keep the video game itself from being a primary source—, but, then, I saw this magazine. Is it reliable?
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Appears to be a hobbyist site, but used frequently on character articles. FAQ (about) page czar 05:26, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Our site is not perfect and we do make some mistakes, but unlike user submitted sites like imdb and wikipedia our sources come from official voice actor websites, voice actor resumes, DVD/Blu-ray ending credits and from conversations with the voice actors & voice directors who actually worked on the titles.
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At first glance, I thought MMObomb may be reliable, but now that I'm digging I think the opposite. The site has an editorial staff, some with experience, but others without experience. It has opinion/editorial articles that are labeled as such, but they're only labeled as editorials from the homepage, plus they're...anonymous? Some typical articles (the first three I opened) are short on details and pseudonymously written. It seems like their only reviews are user-submitted–essentially what every other site would call "comments"–and their game database information is provided by the game developers. (See this game and scroll down for an example.) They make it easy for developers to submit their game (though that functionality is currently broken) which makes me question their independence, and that entire page looks like an advertisement to developers. MMObomb is mentioned in Google News, but they all look to be press releases. They're also cited in a handful of university student theses. I am unable to find widespread citing by other reliable sources, which speaks against their reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Opinions? Woodroar ( talk) 03:10, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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I don't know much about this German site—does anyone else? czar 14:07, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
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We need to get our eSports game together. There's a cottage industry of eSports-related articles that are using their own line of sources and most of them are not good but they're slipping through the notability guidelines because no one is bothering to check. A list of common sources is available here. To copy-paste the reliable and unreliable columns:
English
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Questionable/Unreliable
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This doesn't even include the non-English sources. I'd like to get some final calls on these topics, especially the ones sponsored by companies but with no hallmarks of reliability. czar 21:21, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Sovetsky Sport, "Советский Спорт" (literally "Soviet Sports" abbreviated "Sovsport") is an active Russian daily newspaper founded in 1924 and http://www.sovsport.ru/ is its online website ( Russian wiki page). http://www.sovsport.ru/tag-item/100175 is the e-sport ("киберспорт") tagged articles. Most content looks like tertiary sources, not extensive, but most likely fact-checked. Being a long-standing print newspaper, I would call it reliable. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 14:50, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
The past conversation seemed to show a general consensus for reliability for RedBull Games and Redbull in general, so I would think unless there's some sort of significant difference to their esports coverage, or some new development, that we'd have them be reliable for the esports area too. Sergecross73 msg me 14:28, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
Apparently a poker mag that apparently now has an e-sports section. Not sure about the state of the print mag and most posts are from Nick Shively who wrote for mmogames.com (see the separate discussion for them) and has a 2015 journalism degree in his byline. On a larger scale, lots of these sites appear to be other journalism outlets that have opened a small, experimental e-sports section just to see how it fares. czar 20:41, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
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So many sources, not enough time. I'd like recall Absolute Games, which hasn't had a specific discussion but was cited in a recent AfD. I poked through the site's staff and archives and they do not appear to have any editorial mechanisms apart from paying editors per review... The pay and the real names are a start, but I don't see the editorship or markers of quality that would make its content reliable. I know it has a reputation as one of the oldest Russian gaming sites, but I'm not seeing the professionality that would make it a Russian equivalent of, say, an IGN. czar 17:34, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
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I've seen this be used in a couple of articles but there doesn't seem to have been any consensus on its reliability here yet. GamerPro64 20:10, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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Listed as RS per WP:SILENCE. Bringing up as concerns have been expressed.
NOTICE: Editors are not anoymous, but sigh with full name only in paid materials, therefore their identity has to be confirmed through manual search. In rating the service (website), you should take into consideration only the rating in the reviews, not combined." Piotrus also adds that "The last sentence is not clear to me, even in Polish". Basically it sounds to me like a version of our own "some content may be reliable, but only if the author can be established as such" which Czar points out above is really just a rewording of our normal WP:RS guidelines. In general I'm inclined to accept the vetting of Polish sources that pl.wikipedia editors have provided for their own WP:VG because their version of WP:VG/RS was nearly word-for-word the same as en.wikipedia's, but I'm not sure how active their WP:VG is and the website may have changed a lot since 2011 when it was added and disclaimered by Sirmann. I'd be interested in the opinion of Sir Lothar as well since he is active with en.wiki's WP:VG and he seems to have been active at pl.wiki's WP:VG in those days. Otherwise I'm happy to accept any consensus on the reliability of the source that we form here. - Thibbs ( talk) 11:35, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
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I know I tend to be the bringer of unreliability, so it's nice to have this instead. I think this game dev-oriented mag is an easy add. Published by NewBay Media, and a sister publication to MCV. Team has experience and industry background (access Writers from drop-down on upper right). czar 20:32, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
( diff) @ Salvidrim!, wouldn't this be the same situation as IGN or Giant Bomb? (In that, we use their writing as reliable but not their database information and wiki pages.) GameSpot is in the "reliable" table up top anyway, so I didn't think the edit would be controversial. Perhaps we can add notes to remind that while articles may have editorial vetting, the databases may or do not? czar 22:49, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
I have to agree with Czar that presence of user content shouldn't place a source in situational, when that is not the primary focus of the source. We should make notes when there are known issues. Every source should be used with care regardless in case the material is dubious, reliable or not. On the obvious spectrum, there are forums, comments, and wikis on many sites. On less obvious end (which we should note if possible) are the cataloging issues, unmarked user content, unverified PRs, copy-pastes from other sites, etc. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 23:12, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
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I have happened to find this site when I was in the process of verifying information on
Halo 5: Guardians, and one article about its first announced release date actually is comparable to other websites which say the same thing, but I am unsure as to whether the website really verifies the information. Surely, there, I have found some YouTube videos which were published by Microsoft, and those appear to be the only sources of that article, leaving me suspicious about the website's overall quality of reliability. After all, it is powered by
WordPress.com, but, then again, the "About Us" area does look promising. Has any of you thoughts about the website's overall reliability?
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This site along with
Inquisitr seems good, but I need help with knowing about its reliability.
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This site was brought up twice before with no discussion ( Archive_2#Atari Age, Archive_4#Atari Age). About page. They haven't posted anything prominent on their reputation for reliability or fact-checking, and there's no staff list to review their credentials. czar 16:28, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
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Saw this one from Pony Island and this being listed on OpenCritic. I'm not seeing any professionalism from their about page. Though one of them wrote for VICE. But that qualify this site being reliable in my book. Unreliable. GamerPro64 03:30, 23 January 2016 (UTC)
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Is this still considered an unreliable source? Here is the previous discussion: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources/Archive_4#mmorpg.com. I'm checking because the website is still being used on a bunch of mainspace articles ( [7]) and I'd like to get them citations removed/replaced if so. -- The1337gamer ( talk) 17:33, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
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This site's about page and Twitter account goes on and on about how it isn't a professional site. I think they made the case for us. Previous discussion cites how the site claims to have been serious back in the day, but I think that's conjecture unless someone can find coverage from that era and any sign that it's reliable. Absent any editorial policy, this is a hobbyist site. czar 21:36, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
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So I have lots of questions about this source—I almost exclusively see it used with an author who apparently hasn't written much for the site before. There have been several discussions about the site (our main page links more than several but many don't discuss the site at all), but I wanted to first ask about "reader retroviews" such as the following: [8] These are written by readers, right? Was there any editorial quality process here? czar 17:14, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
PocketGamer is listed as defunct but the UK site at least is still online. Or is this an unrelated PocketGamer? http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/ -- ferret ( talk) 22:01, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
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I'd like to think they're reliable because if you look on their
about page, they have editor staff. I wanna make sure this is okay to use before I put it into other articles (or if I'll have to remove it from the
Rust (video game) article I'm working on).
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I assume it's OK to use instruction manuals as a reliable source when citing video game statements about, for example, controls, gameplay systems etc? Popcornduff ( talk) 08:06, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
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Is this site reliable? I don't know if it's enough or even matters, but it has been mentioned in some books about smartphones and smartphone apps: The Business of iPhone and iPad App Development, iPhone 4S Made Simple, Apps for Librarians.-- IDV talk 16:33, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
Is Retro Gamer (retrogamer.net) a reliable source for WP? 152.250.143.1 ( talk) 23:26, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
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This site currently shows up as a source on the situational search and I'm wondering if it really should be there because it's just a fan site. Staff page, About page. Here's the previous discussion: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Sources/Archive_10#Gamnesia. One person decided it should be listed as situational but nobody else really gave a definitive opinion. -- The1337gamer ( talk) 10:49, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
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When I was in the process of verifying content of
Halo 5: Guardians, I eventually came across with GamerNode, a website which I vaguely remember. There are only a few contributors in the "About" section, and I am not sure about the website's overall reliability, so I need a clear consensus, concerning its reliability. It is likely to be "Nay." (which would make the website "Unreliable.").
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04:35, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
From the simple idea of an independent site “for gamers, by gamers”[9]
GamerNode is seeking diligent, hard-working games industry enthusiasts ... At the moment, this is a volunteer position, so “enthusiast” is the key word here.[10] Hobbyist website, no hallmarks of editorial quality. czar 05:30, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
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This has been heavily discussed only to have no formed consensus, so I would like to find out whether it is a reliable source or not.
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04:13, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
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Came across this when looking at Rise of Mana. Saw they have an ethics statement. GamerPro64 02:07, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
What's our stance on using IGN non-English versions, i.e. all the [17]? Do we consider them reliable as part of IGN network or do we have to vet them and do we go one at a time? It does seem like these are partnerships and name licensing with "local media experts" [18]. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 13:24, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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This is a large collection of materials about Japanese games - things like interviews with Japanese developers - translated into English. To me it looks like the translations are pretty thorough (I speak a little Japanese), but I don't know if it meets Wiki standards for reliability. What do you guys think? Popcornduff ( talk) 04:28, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Incidentally: what are the rules for using translations generally? If this site is considered unreliable, could I track down the original materials in Japanese (eg a Japanese strategy guide or magazine), translate them myself, and cite that? Or does that constitute original research, because there might be no way I can demonstrate my translation was accurate, or something? Popcornduff ( talk) 04:33, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Shmuplations is directed by a single person, who has studied Japanese as a teenager, graduated in the language at UC Berkeley, and lived in Japan for a while after that. They allow various contributors onto their website, and I hope they fact-check the translations of these contributors. It's hard to say, though. Has the creator of Shmuplations been involved with professional translating companies? I can't even figure out their name, let alone their background other than what they shared through the About-page. ~ Mable ( chat) 09:45, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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I'm curious what everyone makes of Browsergamez.com, currently being used as a source at Dawn of gods. It has an editorial staff but one apparently without journalistic credentials or experience. A representative article is short on details and features a prominent "play this game now" button. And, perhaps most importantly, it doesn't appear to be cited by any reliable sources, which generally indicates no reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. I'd consider this yet another unreliable, light-on-content, heavy-on-advertising browser game site. Opinions? Woodroar ( talk) 02:24, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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As I've previously alluded, I think we've been a little too lenient on our mobile game review sites. I've written a fair amount of GAs in this area, and the one that bothers me most is 148Apps. Previous discussions: 1, 2. It was accepted on the basis of how other sources wrote about it, but I followed the links and the site was either one among many mobile sites (many of which we do not find reliable) or only praised as an aside—not as a real qualitative measure of its content. All in all, the site does not have the pedigree we require of other sites or any of the hallmarks of editorial quality (editorial policy, reputation, editor background, etc.) I think it needs another look. I should add that I've written a number of mobile game GAs—perhaps the most in the project—and have used this site many times in my work. Still, I think it's the weakest of our vetted mobile sites. czar 19:53, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
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I have recently used the site as a source for
Halo 5: Guardians, and, now, I am going to look at the "About" section just to make sure that I had done it right.
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Currently we have two custom search engines available - one for RSes and one for Situational RSes. I maintain them and I've had a lot of help from Czar and Hellknowz in tweaking them. My initial philosophy was that the less filtering they received, the better. I would rather have had too many results and have had to ignore the ones that were unusable than to lose possibly good results. So at first the tweaks were entirely based on removal of non-RS portions (e.g. user-generated areas of RS websites, user blogs, forum posts, etc.). As time has gone on I've had a change of heart and there has been an undiscussed change (topic #1 below) that I'd be interested in receiving comment on. Other issues have also come up and should be discussed here at the community level.
If it seems like a good idea then please cross post this to the main talk (WT:VG), and feel free to ping anyone that might be interested in this topic. Sorry about the longwinded post. Thanks for your consideration. - Thibbs ( talk) 20:19, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
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Doesn't have any hallmarks of editorial quality from its about page alone, but perhaps it had wider influence? czar 15:29, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
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IGR is a collective of independent gamers and developers – or in other words – just people who love games and writing about them
— About page
This page was recently deleted and its reliability was questioned at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ancient Trader/archive2. I, myself, do not see any hallmarks of editorial quality or discretion. No indication that it isn't more than a hobbyist site. czar 14:45, 28 February 2016 (UTC)
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I was trying to source
Wolfenstein 3D—specifically the Gameplay section in order to keep the video game itself from being a primary source—, but, then, I saw this magazine. Is it reliable?
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“ | Successful pitches will display a working knowledge of Tablet Magazine and the content it publishes. | ” |
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Appears to be a hobbyist site, but used frequently on character articles. FAQ (about) page czar 05:26, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
Our site is not perfect and we do make some mistakes, but unlike user submitted sites like imdb and wikipedia our sources come from official voice actor websites, voice actor resumes, DVD/Blu-ray ending credits and from conversations with the voice actors & voice directors who actually worked on the titles.
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At first glance, I thought MMObomb may be reliable, but now that I'm digging I think the opposite. The site has an editorial staff, some with experience, but others without experience. It has opinion/editorial articles that are labeled as such, but they're only labeled as editorials from the homepage, plus they're...anonymous? Some typical articles (the first three I opened) are short on details and pseudonymously written. It seems like their only reviews are user-submitted–essentially what every other site would call "comments"–and their game database information is provided by the game developers. (See this game and scroll down for an example.) They make it easy for developers to submit their game (though that functionality is currently broken) which makes me question their independence, and that entire page looks like an advertisement to developers. MMObomb is mentioned in Google News, but they all look to be press releases. They're also cited in a handful of university student theses. I am unable to find widespread citing by other reliable sources, which speaks against their reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Opinions? Woodroar ( talk) 03:10, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
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I don't know much about this German site—does anyone else? czar 14:07, 5 March 2016 (UTC)