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Should categories also be listed somewhere in the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Video game articles by quality statistics tables? I for one think it would be informative, though I'm not sure where exactly in the table it should be placed. Please respond here. SharkD ( talk) 04:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I've got an FAC, but it's not a video game article, so I don't feel justified asking for help here. Nonetheless, I'm short on friends since I've been away from Wikipedia for so long, and I'm wondering if there's any place I can submit the article for quick copyediting attention. It's the best I've written yet, but there are still apparently bones to pick, and I'm really trying hard to get it passed in time to TFA it August 26th. Does anyone have some suggestions? Thanks. After I get this passed, I plan to restore Chrono Cross to proper FA form and get it TFA for its 10th anniversary in November (JP release) or next year (US release). ZeaLitY [ DREAM - REFLECT ] 19:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I have a noticed a few Wii game lists ( List of Wii Wi-Fi Connection games, List of Wii games using Miis, New Play Control!) use the US flag to represent all of North America, I have no doubt that there are several other articles doing the same thing. Does anyone else see this as non-NPOV? I think it would be a good idea, if we remove all the flags and replace them with region shorthand (AUS, EU, JP, KO, and NA). Anyone else agree? Also, it would save column width in most of the cases where it is used Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 23:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
User:Zappernapper created {{ Pokebox}}, a variant of the VG character infobox in that it's intended to have several of the parameters pre-filled, though the structure is slightly different. User:Artichoker and myself argued against it on WT:POKE, and apparently ZN took lulls of silence as a green flag to "be bold" and force it on every page. His primary argument in a nutshell is that every character in the Pokemon series falls outside the scope of just video games due to them appearing in various other media...despite the counterargument that many other character articles do the same yet use the infobox of their initial appearance.
I wouldn't raise a stink about this, but the box ultimately feels unneeded and harkens a bit back to the day when we had a bunch of mini-pokemon-project templates that did this very similar thing that got TfD'd for limited usage. Currently, less than 10 pages will ever actually use the template, and that number is unlikely to increase. Thoughts?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 10:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I tossed up a quick stub on the olde tyme classic Dungeons & Dragons Computer Fantasy Game, which I noticed here. Anyone want to help shore it up a bit? :) BOZ ( talk) 17:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
On list articles, I have been fixing cases where flags are being used, and I have to one question. When I a replacing Australian flags I substitute them with AUS. Should this be representative of Australia? or Australasia? Unless I am mistaken, these games are released in New Zealand too, right?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegreyanomaly ( talk • contribs) 19:32, 15 July 2009
The peer review for Platine War, an article within the scope of the Military history WikiProject, is now open. The Military history WikiProject is currently partnering with our project to share peer reviews, so all editors are cordially invited to participate, and any input there would be very appreciated! Thanks! Kirill [talk] [pf] 00:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
There are currently five articles at WP:VG/A that have requested A-class assessments. One of which is by User:Kung Fu Man, one of our regular assessors. In the interest of diversity and neutral assessing, some extra point of views would be appreciated so the articles can be cleared from the backlog. ( Guyinblack25 talk 15:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC))
GamerPro64 ( talk) 15:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
WP:VG/R has a lengthy list of request for new articles. A hand full of editors have made a good dent in it the past few months, but there are still five sections left over from 2008. Some requests have comments left about the likelihood of creation and any sources that have turned up. Editors looking for articles to create for DYK might find some easy articles to create. ( Guyinblack25 talk 16:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC))
WP:GAN#VGAMES is starting to get a bit backed up. A few reviews wouldn't hurt to keep the list from getting too long. ( Guyinblack25 talk 16:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC))
WP:VG/PR has about 10 VG peer reviews that could use some comments. Many only have a short list of suggestions. Short lists are perfectly fine, but generally do more good when multiple reviewers offer them together. If you don't have time to give a list, a quick copy edit of the article is welcome as well. ( Guyinblack25 talk 16:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC))
Someone has decided to make WP:V rear its ugly head with this edit to SNES. It's trivially easy to actually verify that both Star Ocean and Tales of Phantasia contain 48 Mbit of ROM data: just go to your friendly neightborhood ROM site and look at the uncompressed size of the (good-dump) ROM images (6291456 bytes, or 6291968 bytes with a copier header). But can we find something that passes WP:RS stating the fact? Does the author of one of the top SNES emulators count as an "expert" so we can use this? Or is a 1up.com "blog" by one of 1up.com's staff editors reliable enough that we can use this? Anomie ⚔ 20:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks everyone! Anomie ⚔ 02:29, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I've started a draft article at User:Zxcvbnm/Rune Factory (series), with the aim of merging all the Rune Factory articles into a single series page, which I think should be located at Rune Factory. Since they all have extremely similar gameplay and are mostly low quality articles, they would benefit from the merge.-- ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 23:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Should these still be listed? It's difficult to restore an article to FA when it's no longer in existence, so it's an odd notice to make. The listed merged articles are Bulbasaur, Goomba, Lakitu, and Torchic for reference.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 21:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I've listed the article Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen for peer review here, as I would like to know of any outlying concerns before taking this article to WP:FAC. If any of you could take time to review the article, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Artichoker talk 20:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
If anyone has time, please peer review Samus Aran at Wikipedia:Peer review/Samus Aran/archive2, thanks in advance! In particular, I'm looking for more information for the article, but specifically the Reception section. Gary King ( talk) 21:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
There's currently an edit war about Keiji Inafune's contributions to Mega Man 2. An anonymous editor using a number of IP addresses (basically in 200.74.84.00–200.74.84.255 range) is changing the content and refusing to discuss the issue. Some assistance would be greatly appreciated. ( Guyinblack25 talk 15:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC))
Update- Actually, can the page be semi-protected again? I don't believe the full range of IPs was blocked. The IP made the same edit again today. ( Guyinblack25 talk 14:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC))
Anyone up for a collaboration on Thief: The Dark Project? It's the most famous Looking Glass Studios game, but it has one of the lesser articles. Several LGS game articles have been brought to FA (System Shock, System Shock 2 and Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss, the first and last of which being mostly my work), so this one should at least warrant a collab to bring it to GA. So, anyone interested? JimmyBlackwing ( talk) 22:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
This user, Ttboy200 is obviously not Wikipedia-material. If/when banned, please delete the bad posts made by him/her, or notify me and I'll do it. -- DanielPharos ( talk) 10:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
On the article requests page there is a request, under July 2009, for this salted article to be unprotected so that a new article can be created it (requester states that they have multiple sources). What would be the right venue to discuss unprotection or the viability of the sources? Someone another 20:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
The peer review for Battle of Grand Port, an article within the scope of the Military history WikiProject, is now open. The Military history WikiProject is currently partnering with our project to share peer reviews, so all editors are cordially invited to participate, and any input there would be very appreciated! Thanks! Kirill [talk] [pf] 02:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I can recall seeing a bunch of games that say a game has received 'generally positive' (or along those lines) when its reviews average around 70%. Now, everybody knows the gaming press reviews extremely leniently and a terrible game (that has say great graphics, sound etc. but that no one actually enjoys generally scores 40-70%) will rate a lot higher than a comparably terrible movie. So... has this been discussed before or perhaps something should be done about this? -- TheSeer ( Talkˑ Contribs) 08:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like a can of worms. For instance, I've read at least one article lamenting the overuse of 7/10 as an 'on the fence' score, whereas some sources state that 5/10 really does mean an average game. I also doubt that you would consistently find reviewers who do not get any real enjoyment from games rated 7/10 or below. For instance, the Edge (magazine) review of The Munchables rates it as 6/10, citing repetitive play and the small size of the game, but also had a lot of praise for it (sorry, I would quote directly but the magazine is behind a locked door at this particular minute). It's a very difficult balancing act and I don't see how a cast-iron system can be made for summarizing these scores. Someone another 19:55, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, i was thinking about nominating this game for deletion for lack of notability, however i never know with old games if im missing something be only doing a quick google search. If anyone could take a quick look around so we could at least suss out a bit more information on the game that would be great or tell me if i should take it to the chopping block, thanks Salavat ( talk) 15:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Wondering if anyone here can help? Does anybody know whether the above website is reliable? I'm wanting to include some of this information into Bubbles (chimpanzee). Thanks in advance. Pyrrhus 16 15:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
If possible and applicable, I would like to have more input on the Left 4 Dead 2 talk page about the boycott information. There is a lot being discussed, whither to add a NPOV tag to the section, the removal of the boycott information, and/or rewriting the section to be more balanced. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Left_4_Dead_2 Napalmdest55 ( talk) 22:39, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Currently it has a tiny gameplay section, and basically the rest of the article is just character descriptions. No plot at all that I see. RobJ1981 ( talk) 08:57, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Viewtiful Joe is now up for peer review. Please share you opinions on the article so that it may be improved. ~ Hibana 16:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone want to help expand this article? There seems to be a surprising amount of information available for it, especially development, considering how obscure it is.-- ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 00:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
From what I've seen, almost every single article on Sonic is, unfortunately, mediocre. It would seem too much attention is being paid to the character articles, so I would strongly advise that anyone with familiarity to the series do some major cleanup. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
What should be done with this page? It is not really about the characters, but the game. I think it should be at Dragon Ball: Raging Blast, but that page was redirected to List of Dragon Ball video games 2 months ago, because at the time it was deemed non notable. MrKIA11 ( talk) 13:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
The peer review for Battle of Dunkirk, an article within the scope of the Military history WikiProject, is now open. The Military history WikiProject is currently partnering with our project to share peer reviews, so all editors are cordially invited to participate, and any input there would be very appreciated! Thanks! Kirill [talk] [pf] 00:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed a large amount of discrepancy between lists of games developed by various companies. Many, such as List of video games published by Nintendo simply headline the console or system and then list each game by year. Others, like List of Square Enix games, use a table that lists the first release along with the developer, publisher, system, and whether it was released abroad. This may have been addressed in the past, but is there a way we could create a table that could be used by all these lists in a similar fashion, just like the standardized infobox? ~ Hibana 02:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone own Gameinformer? they made a feature about Thief: The Dark Project in an issue a couuple months ago. I've seem to misplace mine. GamerPro64 ( talk) 20:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Please. And thanks.
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Nevermind. I just found it.
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I've just unmerged a whole bunch of articles (around 20) which had been collated into one big 60kb unfathomable super article at List of games based on the Star Wars prequel trilogy [5]. The merge was ridiculous, undiscussed, of no benefit, and self described by the editor responsible as a "failed experiment". I cannot see how putting all those articles together, held together by their Star Wars universe link, could in any way aid navigation, or promote the improvement of those articles. In fact, I'm fairly certain they would have had the opposite effect.
Anyway, what do people want to do about List of games based on the Star Wars prequel trilogy now I've gutted it? And can someone check to see if there's anything I missed on the revert? (I know there's some double redirects, but we have bots to sort those out now) - hahnch e n 18:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Am I mistaken in thinking this is against the NFCC? I've done enough reverting there. Anomie ⚔ 01:42, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Other thoughts are needed on this matter. I fully expect some to disagree with me on this matter and am not simply looking for people to agree, but also consensus. Two editors by themselves going back and forth on this -- whether the article is best titled Fictional character or Character (arts), or whether we should have articles with both of these titles -- is not going to solve anything. Flyer22 ( talk) 04:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I just went to the Street Fighter Alpha expecting to find an article referring to the SFA series (ie, SFA: Warriors' Dreams, SFA 2 and SFA 3), but I there found the article for the first game in the series, being there no article with information in common to the three of them. Shouldn't the Street Fighter Alpha article be changed into an article on the series, with a notice at the top saying something along the lines of "This article is about the third sub-series in the Street Fighter series of videogames. For the first game in the series see Street Fighter Alpha: Warriors' Dreams"? Then the article would list the games in the sub-series, and present any information regarding them all as a whole. If this was the case, the same would apply to the Street Fighter II series (which includes at least five games), Street Fighter III (three games), and Street Fighter EX (three games also). -- uKER ( talk) 03:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm working on a collaboration to bring Thief: The Dark Project up to quality status. It's progressing smoothly so far, but several articles that contain necessary information are only available through a Highbeam account or equivalent. If anyone could give me a hand with these articles ( [6], [7], [8]), it'd be great. Thanks. JimmyBlackwing ( talk) 03:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Anyone care to cast their eye over this: Talk:Third-person_shooter#Tomb_Raider_is_not_a_TPS. bridies ( talk) 06:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
The general gist of the argument going on at Talk:Knuckles the Echidna is that an element appears in one game and can appear in other games by "Locking-On" the game in which the element appears with the another game, so does this make it a recurring element in the series or is it game guide material? CIGraphix ( talk) 23:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I think it's more triviality than gameguide. Basically Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 can be interfaced with Sonic & Knuckles which allows Knuckles to be used in the earlier games and some small tweaks. Well worth mentioning in the Sonic & Knuckles article (whether it warrants the level of detail currently present is another matter), but mentioning these relatively obscure differences in Knuckles' character article is another matter, they're just gimmicks to catch the kids' eyes, like all those nearly identical Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles figures they were churning out back in the day. If these er.. transformations haven't been present in the numerous other appearances of the character in misc. media then it's applying undue weight. Someone another 01:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
If so, please discuss! - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
What homosexuality one? GamerPro64 ( talk) 02:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Recently we've gotten the bounties for three articles related to this project at the top of the page...and I have to admit they're a bit of an eyesore being up there. Could we possibly add a slot to the TODO page so they'll still be at the top but less in-your-face? A boon about doing it this way too would be having it show on every vg article as well for anyone that checks since TODO is copied to all of them.
Other than that... Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Assessment/Requests is still backlogged with 6 A-class requests, three of which that need another vote to go one way or the other. If someone could take a gander and review, it'd help.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 03:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Here's all five A-class canidates (minus Mega Man 2, now an A-class article). GamerPro64 ( talk) 05:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on the possible deprecation of the "Future" templates at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Deprecating "Future" templates. Since this project uses such a template, I invite everyone from this WikiProject to participate in the discussion. -- Conti| ✉ 11:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
An IP claims that Yoshi's Island DS is a remake of Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. [11] [12] Thoughts? Megata Sanshiro ( talk) 19:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, the IP is mistaken. I left them a message earlier. – Steel 21:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello everyone. 1up.com reports that Metroid: Other M will be released on December 15, 2010, but they're the only source I know of that gives a specific date; everyone else (including Nintendo) just gives a vague "2010". So... should we accept 1up's date? - sesu PRIME 06:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
In the past day or so, I've noticed that an anonymous user, 81.141.22.84 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) insists on putting several categories related to Super Battle Opera (the biggest fighting game tournament in Japan) to a number of VG articles. He's added Category:Fighting games used at the Super Battle Opera tournament into several articles about fighting games, as well as adding Daigo Umehara to the category Category:Super Battle Opera tournament winners. Kung Fu Man ( talk · contribs) has been reverting these additions, but the IP user has reeverted back, claiming they are "important to research" about the games and people involved with the tournament and compares them to categories such as Category:National Hockey League venues and Category:Monaco Grand Prix winners. However, the category pages in question are currently red-linked, and I have serious concerns that even if they were created, both categories would be immediately deemed non-notable by other WP editors and wouldn't likely survive a deletion discussion (with the IP's arguments for keeping them around, IMO, being pretty weak by Wikipedia standards). I'd like to ask for some thoughts on whether or not these categories should be kept. NeoChaosX ( talk, edits) 11:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
After discussing with JimmyBlackwing, I think we need a couple of new screenshots to really set it off for GA and better. I have a combat scene from the NES version, but I'm not so sure it's the best; anyone got a better shot of the overhead view?
Also, I need a good first-person perspective shot. I think these are best accomplished as part of the exploration mode - walking around the city or wilderness or whatever, so you see what your character sees. This could possibly also be accomplished with a portrait shot of a player character, or non-combat encounter with a creature or NPC, or whatever you can find.
Jimmy recommends a "robust" FUR for each, and no watermarks. Anyone got anything to help out? :) BOZ ( talk) 22:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I managed to generate multi-panel illustrations for the Champions of Krynn and Death Knights of Krynn by using DOSBox and making screen captures while playing the game, then merging the images into a single file. Yes I had to cheat a little by downloading the game from abandonia and copying the rules/journal over the net. But the games were only available on floppy, so that's the only way to get them these days. Why am I still playing those old clunkers, you ask? Well nostalgia I suppose; I used a Mac back then and only some of the gold box games came out on the Mac. Plus I'm waiting patiently for DragonAge... :-) — RJH ( talk) 16:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, can I just get like five people to say that without proper creation information and reception information Captain Falcon does not currently require an article? I don't really want to edit war, so I need something that resembles an actual consensus rather than the original flimsy merge discussion. TTN ( talk) 15:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Luigi is Mario's brother and has appeared as a sidekick or 2-player option in most of the Mario games (though in Luigi's Mansion, he appeared as the protagonist). He is an unlockable character in all three Super Smash Bros., usually one of the easiest to unlock.
Luigi's attacks and attributes are very similar to Mario's, with slight variations (For example, Luigi's fireballs are green and he jumps higher than Mario). Luigi's Final Smash is a psychadelic dance.
38 more of those. That's the article. Maybe redundant, but centralized. Where can I get a copy of this original article? Purplebackpack89 ( talk) 04:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to make sure that this isn't just my computer. Can anyone else open any of the links here at IGN? -- Nomader ( Talk) 01:20, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I noticed a few recent merger discussions being conducted on this page ( #Need outside opinions for Blastoise, #Lord British, #Captain Falcon). Personally, I prefer #Some input, which links to existing discussions. Help:Merging#Proposing a merger recommends using the Talk page of the destination article. One reason is that previous discussions should be easy to find, to avoid rehashing the same points. The discussions here should be linked from the articles' Talk pages.
I stress that my comments do not invalidate or weaken these discussions in any way – they're just things to keep in mind. Flatscan ( talk) 04:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Brought this up on the template's talk page, but {{ cite web}} is omitting the p. (or pp. in the case of multiple pages) from the displayed reference. Can someone with admin access take a gander at it and see what the kink is?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 21:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
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help)I've been going through some of the games from the 2005-2006 period, which is when the two companies merged. I'm having a bit of trouble finding consistency in how the companies are attributed. First, it seems that in certain regions, the "Namco Bandai" label isn't even used, and games continue to be released with plain old Namco or Bandai labels, or some mix of all three. In fact it seems like NA is the only region that consistently gets "Namco Bandai" labels, though most of these turn out to be games that would otherwise be from the Namco side (most of Bandai's games never get localized). For example, Namco Museum DS has an NB label for the North American box, while it carries the old Namco label in PAL regions. Despite having merged, it seems like the two halves of the company continue to operate independently, along with the internal divisions that both companies previously had (e.g. Project Soul and Tales Studio still exist within Namco). One could argue that both companies are owned by the same "Namco Bandai" umbrella and should just be counted that way, but that doesn't seem like the best way to attribute the game makers -- for comparison, is Starcraft 2 considered a "Blizzard" game, or "Activision Blizzard"? Ham Pastrami ( talk) 03:50, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Final Fantasy IV for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. The Prince ( talk) 12:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone here dealt with trying to merge any of the Lists of Grand Theft Auto characters? I'm trying to get an idea of the potential fan backlash. I really haven't played many of them besides IV, but if the characters in that one are any indication of the status of the rest of the series' characters, there is no need for any of the lists. TTN ( talk) 20:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I've been sprucing up Turok: Dinosaur Hunter, and I've about exhausted the print sources I can access. I didn't see anyone listed with magazines that contained info on Turok in our ref library, but I'm just putting it out there: if anyone has any print sources or magazine articles/reviews for Turok, send 'em my way (btw the article is at peer review here so if you have comments, let me here them.) Thanks, -- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk) 01:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Anyone that's good with the mechanics of Wikipedia, is it possible to place a table (in this case Template:Video game multiple console reviews in Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy) in the horizontal center of the page? I only know how to do that with text. Tezkag72 ( talk) 20:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
You could put the template inside this Wikitable though. |
-- ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 21:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
There was a discussion about this before, but I'm going to bring this up again. According to the guidelines, every VG series page must be disambiguated with (series). However, there are a number of pages where the series article doesn't have a disambig ( Final Fantasy), etc. and other pages that do ( Legend of Zelda). In my opinion, the series article should always take priority and never be disambiguated, due to it being of a wider scope and representative of the franchise. How can a game be more important than the series containing the game itself? Is there a distinct reason why the Legend of Zelda (series) article should take second fiddle to the less important first game? There should be a more specific guideline established.-- ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 01:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
That sounds workable. I could agree to this if such a guideline were in place. Four would be a good number, all of the big new series seem to get trilogies, novelizations, comic books and so on. -- Commdor {Talk} 03:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
If so, [13] this guy is giving away a bundle of old magazines, which could help with editing of some articles. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, not really, but I thought it might be an idea to come up with a very obscure (but not so obscure) subject to make into a quality article. Might be fun and invite people to make more interesting Wikipedia articles. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
'Sup, gamers? Can someone please create a page for the old Atari game Canyon Bomber? Just create the page and leave the rest to me. Thanks! ^_^-- 66.177.73.91 ( talk) 23:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Senthryl has been going around replacing images of gameplay in video game info boxes (usually arcade games) with images of promotional flyers for the games (such as here). He then removes the cover request from the talk page.
I contest these changes since:
Everytime this has been discussed before on the project, the consensus has been that arcade game flyers are not notable and don't belong in an article. I just want to see if my understanding is still sound. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:27, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Personally, I support the use of posters and flyers to identify arcade games in the infobox. Screenshots never belong in the infobox in the first place in my opinion.-- Remurmur ( talk) 20:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Let's assume we're limiting this to arcade cabinet games in which there is no "box art" but fliers may exist. There are four possible images that can be used here:
Now, in nearly every case, these all are going to be non-free content, so we have to limit the usage to what is the most significant to the general user who may never have played a video game in their life.
Given this, I would assert that the best possible image for the infobox goes in the following order:
And that's it. Neither the gameplay or flier should be used in the infobox to identify the game, because these are both misleading. That's not to say the gameplay screenshot shouldn't be in the article, but it should, preferable, be in the text next to the section about Gameplay as to avoid having the user to scroll between the infobox picture and the text section. Gameplay screenshots are pretty much necessary for any video game to help describe the mechanics.
That leaves the flier, and, in my opinion, a flier image, unless it has some iconic history with it, is never going to help the casual, non-gamer reader gain any further comprehension on the game over the game's logo or cabinet picture and the game's screenshot. As it is NFC, we should not be including these at all unless there is more to say specifically about that flier image. -- MASEM ( t) 15:49, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I've been, as of late, frequently editing articles regarding the Prince of Persia series. To give a short explanation, the Prince of Persia series are video games which have been frequently rebooted. The original debuted in 1989 featuring three characters, none of which really spoke or received much background fill-in. The sequel, Prince of Persia 2: The Shadow and the Flame featured the same character list, and filled in a bit of character history. The proposed sequel to the second installment is Prince of Persia 3D, which presumably has the same characters, as well as adding new ones. I really say presumably because it doesn't seem certain; only two of the characters really return, but it's never confirmed that these are the same characters; but the antagonists, etc, are different, and it's in complete unrelation to the previous installments, so it's uncertain if it's really in the same universe. In 2003, the series was rebooted with The Sand of Time, which added a whole new list of different characters. It's in a completely different universe from the previous presumed trilogy, despite sharing the namesake. The Sands of Time characters carry over throughout three games, new characters usually being added in each game. Again, different universe as the previous trilogy, but same namesake. Then the series was rebooted again this past year, and featured, ultimately only two substantial characters. OK, so now you're filled in (sort of; any questions, just ask me), and this is where I need advice.
The first trilogy featured a Prince character, a Princess character, a Sultan character, Jaffar the vizier, Assan (the Sultan's brother), and Rugnor (the Sultan's nephew). If I remember, the Prince character is the only one to really receive any back story. The other characters are really, in a few words, paper thin. The Sultan, Assan, and Rugnor all only appear in one game, albeit briefly. Jaffar appears as the primary antagonist of two of the games. The Prince and Princess characters are the only two to appear in all three of the games. That's not too complicated -- but then you throw in the Sands of Time trilogy. Again, this is a reboot; none of the same characters carry over, none of the same plot devices, etc. That said, the main protagonist is again titled simply "The Prince" (referred to mainly as "Prince" by other characters, but his profile in the game booklets label him "The Prince"). I'll get back to the Prince character issue in a bit. Anyways, again, this trilogy spanned three main games, and a spin-off, as well as inspiring a movie adaption. Arguably the most meaty reboot character-wise. So yeah, now we have two lists of unrelated characters; with The Sands of Time trilogy having a substantially bigger one. Then we throw last year's reboot into the fray. Only two characters were really filled in in the reboot, one being filled in badly (The Prince character). Also, yes, yet another Prince character to throw into the fray; the third unrelated one. But now we have three separate universes, three character lists, but one character page. I wanted to propose splitting according to unrelated franchises; one for the original three, one for the Sands of Time trilogy, and one for the reboot. However, I doubt the originals and the reboot would in any way stand on their own, while I have no doubt that The Sands of Time would have no issues. However, leaving all three lists together creates the obvious issue of confusion: "Which character belongs to which universe? They're all put into the same list seamlessly, how do I tell the difference?" I do believe splitting the one list into three would be a good decision. I just need advice on a good way to do that. Now onto the issue with the Prince characters.
The current article for these three characters features all three put into one article. This produces confusion and clutter, as we're referring to three different characters, but all three characters are referred to by the same title, and possess similar abilities and sometimes, traits. It's very difficult to make it clear to the reader that we're referring to three different characters, and then to follow through with that and be able to keep the reader in the loop in-article; i.e. the reader clearly understands which of the three characters we're referring to throughout the article. Therefore, I believe that the Prince characters' article should be split appropriately. It's naming conventions I'm a bit confused about. Should I title the page, i.e. "The Prince (Sands of Time trilogy)"? That might not be descriptive enough to cover the character through all three games he appears in, though; only one game is actually called The Sands of Time. Then how would we go about naming the other articles, provided we could do that one successfully? The other two universes have no clear plot device that refers to the series of games that it appears in. In popular culture, the first reboot is called the Sands of Time trilogy. However, no such names exist for the other two universes. They are mostly referred to as "old Prince of Persia" or "new Prince of Persia", etc. So that obviously presents a problem. The only thing that I believe is obvious is that keeping the three characters confined to one article is a potential mistake. It would be a mighty feat for any editor to be able to write that prose clearly.
In short, I just need a few suggestions as to how to separate lists of characters that are from different universes, but of the same Prince of Persia namesake. I would also like advice as to separating the three Prince characters into separate articles in compliance with the naming conventions. Thanks for reading. The Guy ( edits) 03:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
(article disambigs) if you get far enough, the titles should all be made clear that each is a character from a Prince of Persia game. The first does that. The others don't since The Prince (Second game) could be any game. "The Prince" is a title used in multiple games. 陣 内 Jinnai 05:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I've been going through Category:Mac OS games today and I have found quite a number of games there that shouldn't be in that category, they should be in Category:Mac OS X games instead. Here is a quick rundown on how to tell which category to use:
Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 07:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
It's been discussed there and gave us this... But I think someone went a little bit overboard with that one...
Let's keep it to intros, and English words in Japanese titles, just as the thing says, shall we?
Removing the romanization of a bunch of names, for example, isn't helping anyone, especially when those names aren't English and/or have unusual pronunciations... Erigu ( talk) 00:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I propose cutting down this article and merging it with MMORPG or possibly World of Warcraft. I was trying to go through it, reference it and delete unverifiable content but it's becoming clear that this is going to leave one or two sentences. Sources: [14] [15]. I notice that there seems to be no mention of twinking in either the MMORPG or WOW articles, yet still someone felt the need to write a whole article elsewhere. I thought I'd post here first before putting up merge tags, as I'm not quite sure of the best target article. bridies ( talk) 16:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Unrelated to the merge discussion above. Anyone care to contribute at Talk:Twinking#Reverts? I am getting nothing but incivility and bad faith accusations. Also keep an eye on the WP:VG sources page as the other party tried to uninilateraly add the source he is citing; DaveFuchs has reverted him. bridies ( talk) 20:21, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
A general shout across the board, mainly to people that hoard interviews or print sources, but the GA-article could use some added reception and development information. It originally had a large chunk of both sections torn away because they had less to do with the character and more with the series itself. And as it stands I've got my plate full enough, to be honest. x_X-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 00:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone played I, Robot (arcade game)? I'm planing on working on it, but since this was a commercial flop, I'm screwed in the Gameplay department. GamerPro64 ( talk) 18:08, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks GiB. I might need them. As for MAME, Mika1h, it looks too complicated. GamerPro64 ( talk) 18:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm that this is a reliable reference? It might help me with the Gameplay section and stuff. GamerPro64 ( talk) 03:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I need a good web reference (since Gib is helping with book refs) that has nothing to do with IGN.com (I found three refs to I, Robot's name and its sad) so can someone please find one for me? GamerPro64 ( talk) 04:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for not answering in this section, but I'd like to bring the issue up again since it wasn't solved: A major part of the article Good-Feel was copied from the Super Mario Wiki article of the same name. In the Mario Wiki, the article was written by me. It was copied by a user to Wikipedia without giving proper attribution. The Mario Wiki uses the GNU-FDL as its license, and there are problems to copy such materials since Wikipedia replaced the GNU-FDL with a CC license. I have no prolem with making the text available under the CC license as well if that is allowed, but only with proper attribution, which is currently not the case. How can that be done when the article was already created months ago? And then there's also the article Yakuman DS, copied from Mario Wiki without any attribution (but not written by me). -- Grandy02 ( talk) 14:06, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone think Doomguy can be developed into an actual article at all? I won't turn this one into a merge discussion. TTN ( talk) 13:56, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Needs more eyes. Dabomb87 ( talk) 22:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that the majority of articles related to Atlus are rated Start-class or lower, and several are just stubs. I haven't seen any other discussion about this, so because of the amount of work needed to improve all these articles, I would like to propose forming a task force named the Atlus Task Force. The scope of this task force would include any articles about Atlus, the products it has made (games only published by Atlus wouldn't be included), as well as characters created for an Atlus-made product. So, if you have any suggestions or would be interested in helping out, feel free to comment. Heavyweight Gamer ( talk) 05:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I've created some premade citation templates of the most commonly used sources, including GameSpot, IGN, and 1UP.com. This can be found over at User:MuZemike/Templates. If anyone wants to use them for reference and to copypaste in articles for convenience, please go ahead. Many of the entries have already been filled out, just fill in the blanks where needed (the entries with nothing after the equal sign). Cheers, MuZemike 05:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of The Legend of Zelda media/archive1, but it's something that's bugged me a for while as well. Does a website count as a work, and are the work and publisher parameters intended to be used in the same as the journal and publisher parameters in {{
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Should categories also be listed somewhere in the Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Video game articles by quality statistics tables? I for one think it would be informative, though I'm not sure where exactly in the table it should be placed. Please respond here. SharkD ( talk) 04:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
I've got an FAC, but it's not a video game article, so I don't feel justified asking for help here. Nonetheless, I'm short on friends since I've been away from Wikipedia for so long, and I'm wondering if there's any place I can submit the article for quick copyediting attention. It's the best I've written yet, but there are still apparently bones to pick, and I'm really trying hard to get it passed in time to TFA it August 26th. Does anyone have some suggestions? Thanks. After I get this passed, I plan to restore Chrono Cross to proper FA form and get it TFA for its 10th anniversary in November (JP release) or next year (US release). ZeaLitY [ DREAM - REFLECT ] 19:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I have a noticed a few Wii game lists ( List of Wii Wi-Fi Connection games, List of Wii games using Miis, New Play Control!) use the US flag to represent all of North America, I have no doubt that there are several other articles doing the same thing. Does anyone else see this as non-NPOV? I think it would be a good idea, if we remove all the flags and replace them with region shorthand (AUS, EU, JP, KO, and NA). Anyone else agree? Also, it would save column width in most of the cases where it is used Thegreyanomaly ( talk) 23:25, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
User:Zappernapper created {{ Pokebox}}, a variant of the VG character infobox in that it's intended to have several of the parameters pre-filled, though the structure is slightly different. User:Artichoker and myself argued against it on WT:POKE, and apparently ZN took lulls of silence as a green flag to "be bold" and force it on every page. His primary argument in a nutshell is that every character in the Pokemon series falls outside the scope of just video games due to them appearing in various other media...despite the counterargument that many other character articles do the same yet use the infobox of their initial appearance.
I wouldn't raise a stink about this, but the box ultimately feels unneeded and harkens a bit back to the day when we had a bunch of mini-pokemon-project templates that did this very similar thing that got TfD'd for limited usage. Currently, less than 10 pages will ever actually use the template, and that number is unlikely to increase. Thoughts?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 10:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
I tossed up a quick stub on the olde tyme classic Dungeons & Dragons Computer Fantasy Game, which I noticed here. Anyone want to help shore it up a bit? :) BOZ ( talk) 17:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
On list articles, I have been fixing cases where flags are being used, and I have to one question. When I a replacing Australian flags I substitute them with AUS. Should this be representative of Australia? or Australasia? Unless I am mistaken, these games are released in New Zealand too, right?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegreyanomaly ( talk • contribs) 19:32, 15 July 2009
The peer review for Platine War, an article within the scope of the Military history WikiProject, is now open. The Military history WikiProject is currently partnering with our project to share peer reviews, so all editors are cordially invited to participate, and any input there would be very appreciated! Thanks! Kirill [talk] [pf] 00:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
There are currently five articles at WP:VG/A that have requested A-class assessments. One of which is by User:Kung Fu Man, one of our regular assessors. In the interest of diversity and neutral assessing, some extra point of views would be appreciated so the articles can be cleared from the backlog. ( Guyinblack25 talk 15:18, 13 July 2009 (UTC))
GamerPro64 ( talk) 15:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
WP:VG/R has a lengthy list of request for new articles. A hand full of editors have made a good dent in it the past few months, but there are still five sections left over from 2008. Some requests have comments left about the likelihood of creation and any sources that have turned up. Editors looking for articles to create for DYK might find some easy articles to create. ( Guyinblack25 talk 16:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC))
WP:GAN#VGAMES is starting to get a bit backed up. A few reviews wouldn't hurt to keep the list from getting too long. ( Guyinblack25 talk 16:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC))
WP:VG/PR has about 10 VG peer reviews that could use some comments. Many only have a short list of suggestions. Short lists are perfectly fine, but generally do more good when multiple reviewers offer them together. If you don't have time to give a list, a quick copy edit of the article is welcome as well. ( Guyinblack25 talk 16:36, 20 July 2009 (UTC))
Someone has decided to make WP:V rear its ugly head with this edit to SNES. It's trivially easy to actually verify that both Star Ocean and Tales of Phantasia contain 48 Mbit of ROM data: just go to your friendly neightborhood ROM site and look at the uncompressed size of the (good-dump) ROM images (6291456 bytes, or 6291968 bytes with a copier header). But can we find something that passes WP:RS stating the fact? Does the author of one of the top SNES emulators count as an "expert" so we can use this? Or is a 1up.com "blog" by one of 1up.com's staff editors reliable enough that we can use this? Anomie ⚔ 20:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks everyone! Anomie ⚔ 02:29, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
I've started a draft article at User:Zxcvbnm/Rune Factory (series), with the aim of merging all the Rune Factory articles into a single series page, which I think should be located at Rune Factory. Since they all have extremely similar gameplay and are mostly low quality articles, they would benefit from the merge.-- ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 23:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
Should these still be listed? It's difficult to restore an article to FA when it's no longer in existence, so it's an odd notice to make. The listed merged articles are Bulbasaur, Goomba, Lakitu, and Torchic for reference.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 21:06, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I've listed the article Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen for peer review here, as I would like to know of any outlying concerns before taking this article to WP:FAC. If any of you could take time to review the article, I would appreciate it. Thanks, Artichoker talk 20:30, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
If anyone has time, please peer review Samus Aran at Wikipedia:Peer review/Samus Aran/archive2, thanks in advance! In particular, I'm looking for more information for the article, but specifically the Reception section. Gary King ( talk) 21:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
There's currently an edit war about Keiji Inafune's contributions to Mega Man 2. An anonymous editor using a number of IP addresses (basically in 200.74.84.00–200.74.84.255 range) is changing the content and refusing to discuss the issue. Some assistance would be greatly appreciated. ( Guyinblack25 talk 15:37, 23 July 2009 (UTC))
Update- Actually, can the page be semi-protected again? I don't believe the full range of IPs was blocked. The IP made the same edit again today. ( Guyinblack25 talk 14:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC))
Anyone up for a collaboration on Thief: The Dark Project? It's the most famous Looking Glass Studios game, but it has one of the lesser articles. Several LGS game articles have been brought to FA (System Shock, System Shock 2 and Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss, the first and last of which being mostly my work), so this one should at least warrant a collab to bring it to GA. So, anyone interested? JimmyBlackwing ( talk) 22:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
This user, Ttboy200 is obviously not Wikipedia-material. If/when banned, please delete the bad posts made by him/her, or notify me and I'll do it. -- DanielPharos ( talk) 10:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
On the article requests page there is a request, under July 2009, for this salted article to be unprotected so that a new article can be created it (requester states that they have multiple sources). What would be the right venue to discuss unprotection or the viability of the sources? Someone another 20:50, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
The peer review for Battle of Grand Port, an article within the scope of the Military history WikiProject, is now open. The Military history WikiProject is currently partnering with our project to share peer reviews, so all editors are cordially invited to participate, and any input there would be very appreciated! Thanks! Kirill [talk] [pf] 02:26, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
I can recall seeing a bunch of games that say a game has received 'generally positive' (or along those lines) when its reviews average around 70%. Now, everybody knows the gaming press reviews extremely leniently and a terrible game (that has say great graphics, sound etc. but that no one actually enjoys generally scores 40-70%) will rate a lot higher than a comparably terrible movie. So... has this been discussed before or perhaps something should be done about this? -- TheSeer ( Talkˑ Contribs) 08:36, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Sounds like a can of worms. For instance, I've read at least one article lamenting the overuse of 7/10 as an 'on the fence' score, whereas some sources state that 5/10 really does mean an average game. I also doubt that you would consistently find reviewers who do not get any real enjoyment from games rated 7/10 or below. For instance, the Edge (magazine) review of The Munchables rates it as 6/10, citing repetitive play and the small size of the game, but also had a lot of praise for it (sorry, I would quote directly but the magazine is behind a locked door at this particular minute). It's a very difficult balancing act and I don't see how a cast-iron system can be made for summarizing these scores. Someone another 19:55, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi, i was thinking about nominating this game for deletion for lack of notability, however i never know with old games if im missing something be only doing a quick google search. If anyone could take a quick look around so we could at least suss out a bit more information on the game that would be great or tell me if i should take it to the chopping block, thanks Salavat ( talk) 15:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Wondering if anyone here can help? Does anybody know whether the above website is reliable? I'm wanting to include some of this information into Bubbles (chimpanzee). Thanks in advance. Pyrrhus 16 15:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
If possible and applicable, I would like to have more input on the Left 4 Dead 2 talk page about the boycott information. There is a lot being discussed, whither to add a NPOV tag to the section, the removal of the boycott information, and/or rewriting the section to be more balanced. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Left_4_Dead_2 Napalmdest55 ( talk) 22:39, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Currently it has a tiny gameplay section, and basically the rest of the article is just character descriptions. No plot at all that I see. RobJ1981 ( talk) 08:57, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Viewtiful Joe is now up for peer review. Please share you opinions on the article so that it may be improved. ~ Hibana 16:37, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone want to help expand this article? There seems to be a surprising amount of information available for it, especially development, considering how obscure it is.-- ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 00:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
From what I've seen, almost every single article on Sonic is, unfortunately, mediocre. It would seem too much attention is being paid to the character articles, so I would strongly advise that anyone with familiarity to the series do some major cleanup. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
What should be done with this page? It is not really about the characters, but the game. I think it should be at Dragon Ball: Raging Blast, but that page was redirected to List of Dragon Ball video games 2 months ago, because at the time it was deemed non notable. MrKIA11 ( talk) 13:45, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
The peer review for Battle of Dunkirk, an article within the scope of the Military history WikiProject, is now open. The Military history WikiProject is currently partnering with our project to share peer reviews, so all editors are cordially invited to participate, and any input there would be very appreciated! Thanks! Kirill [talk] [pf] 00:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed a large amount of discrepancy between lists of games developed by various companies. Many, such as List of video games published by Nintendo simply headline the console or system and then list each game by year. Others, like List of Square Enix games, use a table that lists the first release along with the developer, publisher, system, and whether it was released abroad. This may have been addressed in the past, but is there a way we could create a table that could be used by all these lists in a similar fashion, just like the standardized infobox? ~ Hibana 02:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone own Gameinformer? they made a feature about Thief: The Dark Project in an issue a couuple months ago. I've seem to misplace mine. GamerPro64 ( talk) 20:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Please. And thanks.
GamerPro64 (
talk) 21:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Nevermind. I just found it.
GamerPro64 (
talk) 01:29, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I've just unmerged a whole bunch of articles (around 20) which had been collated into one big 60kb unfathomable super article at List of games based on the Star Wars prequel trilogy [5]. The merge was ridiculous, undiscussed, of no benefit, and self described by the editor responsible as a "failed experiment". I cannot see how putting all those articles together, held together by their Star Wars universe link, could in any way aid navigation, or promote the improvement of those articles. In fact, I'm fairly certain they would have had the opposite effect.
Anyway, what do people want to do about List of games based on the Star Wars prequel trilogy now I've gutted it? And can someone check to see if there's anything I missed on the revert? (I know there's some double redirects, but we have bots to sort those out now) - hahnch e n 18:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Am I mistaken in thinking this is against the NFCC? I've done enough reverting there. Anomie ⚔ 01:42, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Other thoughts are needed on this matter. I fully expect some to disagree with me on this matter and am not simply looking for people to agree, but also consensus. Two editors by themselves going back and forth on this -- whether the article is best titled Fictional character or Character (arts), or whether we should have articles with both of these titles -- is not going to solve anything. Flyer22 ( talk) 04:38, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I just went to the Street Fighter Alpha expecting to find an article referring to the SFA series (ie, SFA: Warriors' Dreams, SFA 2 and SFA 3), but I there found the article for the first game in the series, being there no article with information in common to the three of them. Shouldn't the Street Fighter Alpha article be changed into an article on the series, with a notice at the top saying something along the lines of "This article is about the third sub-series in the Street Fighter series of videogames. For the first game in the series see Street Fighter Alpha: Warriors' Dreams"? Then the article would list the games in the sub-series, and present any information regarding them all as a whole. If this was the case, the same would apply to the Street Fighter II series (which includes at least five games), Street Fighter III (three games), and Street Fighter EX (three games also). -- uKER ( talk) 03:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm working on a collaboration to bring Thief: The Dark Project up to quality status. It's progressing smoothly so far, but several articles that contain necessary information are only available through a Highbeam account or equivalent. If anyone could give me a hand with these articles ( [6], [7], [8]), it'd be great. Thanks. JimmyBlackwing ( talk) 03:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Anyone care to cast their eye over this: Talk:Third-person_shooter#Tomb_Raider_is_not_a_TPS. bridies ( talk) 06:11, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
The general gist of the argument going on at Talk:Knuckles the Echidna is that an element appears in one game and can appear in other games by "Locking-On" the game in which the element appears with the another game, so does this make it a recurring element in the series or is it game guide material? CIGraphix ( talk) 23:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
I think it's more triviality than gameguide. Basically Sonic 2 and Sonic 3 can be interfaced with Sonic & Knuckles which allows Knuckles to be used in the earlier games and some small tweaks. Well worth mentioning in the Sonic & Knuckles article (whether it warrants the level of detail currently present is another matter), but mentioning these relatively obscure differences in Knuckles' character article is another matter, they're just gimmicks to catch the kids' eyes, like all those nearly identical Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles figures they were churning out back in the day. If these er.. transformations haven't been present in the numerous other appearances of the character in misc. media then it's applying undue weight. Someone another 01:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
If so, please discuss! - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:04, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
What homosexuality one? GamerPro64 ( talk) 02:43, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Recently we've gotten the bounties for three articles related to this project at the top of the page...and I have to admit they're a bit of an eyesore being up there. Could we possibly add a slot to the TODO page so they'll still be at the top but less in-your-face? A boon about doing it this way too would be having it show on every vg article as well for anyone that checks since TODO is copied to all of them.
Other than that... Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Assessment/Requests is still backlogged with 6 A-class requests, three of which that need another vote to go one way or the other. If someone could take a gander and review, it'd help.-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 03:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
Here's all five A-class canidates (minus Mega Man 2, now an A-class article). GamerPro64 ( talk) 05:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I have started a discussion on the possible deprecation of the "Future" templates at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Deprecating "Future" templates. Since this project uses such a template, I invite everyone from this WikiProject to participate in the discussion. -- Conti| ✉ 11:12, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
An IP claims that Yoshi's Island DS is a remake of Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island. [11] [12] Thoughts? Megata Sanshiro ( talk) 19:53, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, the IP is mistaken. I left them a message earlier. – Steel 21:57, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello everyone. 1up.com reports that Metroid: Other M will be released on December 15, 2010, but they're the only source I know of that gives a specific date; everyone else (including Nintendo) just gives a vague "2010". So... should we accept 1up's date? - sesu PRIME 06:30, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
In the past day or so, I've noticed that an anonymous user, 81.141.22.84 ( talk · contribs · WHOIS) insists on putting several categories related to Super Battle Opera (the biggest fighting game tournament in Japan) to a number of VG articles. He's added Category:Fighting games used at the Super Battle Opera tournament into several articles about fighting games, as well as adding Daigo Umehara to the category Category:Super Battle Opera tournament winners. Kung Fu Man ( talk · contribs) has been reverting these additions, but the IP user has reeverted back, claiming they are "important to research" about the games and people involved with the tournament and compares them to categories such as Category:National Hockey League venues and Category:Monaco Grand Prix winners. However, the category pages in question are currently red-linked, and I have serious concerns that even if they were created, both categories would be immediately deemed non-notable by other WP editors and wouldn't likely survive a deletion discussion (with the IP's arguments for keeping them around, IMO, being pretty weak by Wikipedia standards). I'd like to ask for some thoughts on whether or not these categories should be kept. NeoChaosX ( talk, edits) 11:00, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
After discussing with JimmyBlackwing, I think we need a couple of new screenshots to really set it off for GA and better. I have a combat scene from the NES version, but I'm not so sure it's the best; anyone got a better shot of the overhead view?
Also, I need a good first-person perspective shot. I think these are best accomplished as part of the exploration mode - walking around the city or wilderness or whatever, so you see what your character sees. This could possibly also be accomplished with a portrait shot of a player character, or non-combat encounter with a creature or NPC, or whatever you can find.
Jimmy recommends a "robust" FUR for each, and no watermarks. Anyone got anything to help out? :) BOZ ( talk) 22:36, 5 August 2009 (UTC)
I managed to generate multi-panel illustrations for the Champions of Krynn and Death Knights of Krynn by using DOSBox and making screen captures while playing the game, then merging the images into a single file. Yes I had to cheat a little by downloading the game from abandonia and copying the rules/journal over the net. But the games were only available on floppy, so that's the only way to get them these days. Why am I still playing those old clunkers, you ask? Well nostalgia I suppose; I used a Mac back then and only some of the gold box games came out on the Mac. Plus I'm waiting patiently for DragonAge... :-) — RJH ( talk) 16:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Okay, can I just get like five people to say that without proper creation information and reception information Captain Falcon does not currently require an article? I don't really want to edit war, so I need something that resembles an actual consensus rather than the original flimsy merge discussion. TTN ( talk) 15:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Luigi is Mario's brother and has appeared as a sidekick or 2-player option in most of the Mario games (though in Luigi's Mansion, he appeared as the protagonist). He is an unlockable character in all three Super Smash Bros., usually one of the easiest to unlock.
Luigi's attacks and attributes are very similar to Mario's, with slight variations (For example, Luigi's fireballs are green and he jumps higher than Mario). Luigi's Final Smash is a psychadelic dance.
38 more of those. That's the article. Maybe redundant, but centralized. Where can I get a copy of this original article? Purplebackpack89 ( talk) 04:08, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to make sure that this isn't just my computer. Can anyone else open any of the links here at IGN? -- Nomader ( Talk) 01:20, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
I noticed a few recent merger discussions being conducted on this page ( #Need outside opinions for Blastoise, #Lord British, #Captain Falcon). Personally, I prefer #Some input, which links to existing discussions. Help:Merging#Proposing a merger recommends using the Talk page of the destination article. One reason is that previous discussions should be easy to find, to avoid rehashing the same points. The discussions here should be linked from the articles' Talk pages.
I stress that my comments do not invalidate or weaken these discussions in any way – they're just things to keep in mind. Flatscan ( talk) 04:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Brought this up on the template's talk page, but {{ cite web}} is omitting the p. (or pp. in the case of multiple pages) from the displayed reference. Can someone with admin access take a gander at it and see what the kink is?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 21:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
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help)I've been going through some of the games from the 2005-2006 period, which is when the two companies merged. I'm having a bit of trouble finding consistency in how the companies are attributed. First, it seems that in certain regions, the "Namco Bandai" label isn't even used, and games continue to be released with plain old Namco or Bandai labels, or some mix of all three. In fact it seems like NA is the only region that consistently gets "Namco Bandai" labels, though most of these turn out to be games that would otherwise be from the Namco side (most of Bandai's games never get localized). For example, Namco Museum DS has an NB label for the North American box, while it carries the old Namco label in PAL regions. Despite having merged, it seems like the two halves of the company continue to operate independently, along with the internal divisions that both companies previously had (e.g. Project Soul and Tales Studio still exist within Namco). One could argue that both companies are owned by the same "Namco Bandai" umbrella and should just be counted that way, but that doesn't seem like the best way to attribute the game makers -- for comparison, is Starcraft 2 considered a "Blizzard" game, or "Activision Blizzard"? Ham Pastrami ( talk) 03:50, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I have nominated Final Fantasy IV for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. The Prince ( talk) 12:53, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone here dealt with trying to merge any of the Lists of Grand Theft Auto characters? I'm trying to get an idea of the potential fan backlash. I really haven't played many of them besides IV, but if the characters in that one are any indication of the status of the rest of the series' characters, there is no need for any of the lists. TTN ( talk) 20:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
I've been sprucing up Turok: Dinosaur Hunter, and I've about exhausted the print sources I can access. I didn't see anyone listed with magazines that contained info on Turok in our ref library, but I'm just putting it out there: if anyone has any print sources or magazine articles/reviews for Turok, send 'em my way (btw the article is at peer review here so if you have comments, let me here them.) Thanks, -- Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk) 01:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
Anyone that's good with the mechanics of Wikipedia, is it possible to place a table (in this case Template:Video game multiple console reviews in Lego Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy) in the horizontal center of the page? I only know how to do that with text. Tezkag72 ( talk) 20:59, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
You could put the template inside this Wikitable though. |
-- ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 21:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
There was a discussion about this before, but I'm going to bring this up again. According to the guidelines, every VG series page must be disambiguated with (series). However, there are a number of pages where the series article doesn't have a disambig ( Final Fantasy), etc. and other pages that do ( Legend of Zelda). In my opinion, the series article should always take priority and never be disambiguated, due to it being of a wider scope and representative of the franchise. How can a game be more important than the series containing the game itself? Is there a distinct reason why the Legend of Zelda (series) article should take second fiddle to the less important first game? There should be a more specific guideline established.-- ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 01:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
That sounds workable. I could agree to this if such a guideline were in place. Four would be a good number, all of the big new series seem to get trilogies, novelizations, comic books and so on. -- Commdor {Talk} 03:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
If so, [13] this guy is giving away a bundle of old magazines, which could help with editing of some articles. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 02:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, not really, but I thought it might be an idea to come up with a very obscure (but not so obscure) subject to make into a quality article. Might be fun and invite people to make more interesting Wikipedia articles. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 01:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
'Sup, gamers? Can someone please create a page for the old Atari game Canyon Bomber? Just create the page and leave the rest to me. Thanks! ^_^-- 66.177.73.91 ( talk) 23:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
Senthryl has been going around replacing images of gameplay in video game info boxes (usually arcade games) with images of promotional flyers for the games (such as here). He then removes the cover request from the talk page.
I contest these changes since:
Everytime this has been discussed before on the project, the consensus has been that arcade game flyers are not notable and don't belong in an article. I just want to see if my understanding is still sound. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 17:27, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Personally, I support the use of posters and flyers to identify arcade games in the infobox. Screenshots never belong in the infobox in the first place in my opinion.-- Remurmur ( talk) 20:19, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Let's assume we're limiting this to arcade cabinet games in which there is no "box art" but fliers may exist. There are four possible images that can be used here:
Now, in nearly every case, these all are going to be non-free content, so we have to limit the usage to what is the most significant to the general user who may never have played a video game in their life.
Given this, I would assert that the best possible image for the infobox goes in the following order:
And that's it. Neither the gameplay or flier should be used in the infobox to identify the game, because these are both misleading. That's not to say the gameplay screenshot shouldn't be in the article, but it should, preferable, be in the text next to the section about Gameplay as to avoid having the user to scroll between the infobox picture and the text section. Gameplay screenshots are pretty much necessary for any video game to help describe the mechanics.
That leaves the flier, and, in my opinion, a flier image, unless it has some iconic history with it, is never going to help the casual, non-gamer reader gain any further comprehension on the game over the game's logo or cabinet picture and the game's screenshot. As it is NFC, we should not be including these at all unless there is more to say specifically about that flier image. -- MASEM ( t) 15:49, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I've been, as of late, frequently editing articles regarding the Prince of Persia series. To give a short explanation, the Prince of Persia series are video games which have been frequently rebooted. The original debuted in 1989 featuring three characters, none of which really spoke or received much background fill-in. The sequel, Prince of Persia 2: The Shadow and the Flame featured the same character list, and filled in a bit of character history. The proposed sequel to the second installment is Prince of Persia 3D, which presumably has the same characters, as well as adding new ones. I really say presumably because it doesn't seem certain; only two of the characters really return, but it's never confirmed that these are the same characters; but the antagonists, etc, are different, and it's in complete unrelation to the previous installments, so it's uncertain if it's really in the same universe. In 2003, the series was rebooted with The Sand of Time, which added a whole new list of different characters. It's in a completely different universe from the previous presumed trilogy, despite sharing the namesake. The Sands of Time characters carry over throughout three games, new characters usually being added in each game. Again, different universe as the previous trilogy, but same namesake. Then the series was rebooted again this past year, and featured, ultimately only two substantial characters. OK, so now you're filled in (sort of; any questions, just ask me), and this is where I need advice.
The first trilogy featured a Prince character, a Princess character, a Sultan character, Jaffar the vizier, Assan (the Sultan's brother), and Rugnor (the Sultan's nephew). If I remember, the Prince character is the only one to really receive any back story. The other characters are really, in a few words, paper thin. The Sultan, Assan, and Rugnor all only appear in one game, albeit briefly. Jaffar appears as the primary antagonist of two of the games. The Prince and Princess characters are the only two to appear in all three of the games. That's not too complicated -- but then you throw in the Sands of Time trilogy. Again, this is a reboot; none of the same characters carry over, none of the same plot devices, etc. That said, the main protagonist is again titled simply "The Prince" (referred to mainly as "Prince" by other characters, but his profile in the game booklets label him "The Prince"). I'll get back to the Prince character issue in a bit. Anyways, again, this trilogy spanned three main games, and a spin-off, as well as inspiring a movie adaption. Arguably the most meaty reboot character-wise. So yeah, now we have two lists of unrelated characters; with The Sands of Time trilogy having a substantially bigger one. Then we throw last year's reboot into the fray. Only two characters were really filled in in the reboot, one being filled in badly (The Prince character). Also, yes, yet another Prince character to throw into the fray; the third unrelated one. But now we have three separate universes, three character lists, but one character page. I wanted to propose splitting according to unrelated franchises; one for the original three, one for the Sands of Time trilogy, and one for the reboot. However, I doubt the originals and the reboot would in any way stand on their own, while I have no doubt that The Sands of Time would have no issues. However, leaving all three lists together creates the obvious issue of confusion: "Which character belongs to which universe? They're all put into the same list seamlessly, how do I tell the difference?" I do believe splitting the one list into three would be a good decision. I just need advice on a good way to do that. Now onto the issue with the Prince characters.
The current article for these three characters features all three put into one article. This produces confusion and clutter, as we're referring to three different characters, but all three characters are referred to by the same title, and possess similar abilities and sometimes, traits. It's very difficult to make it clear to the reader that we're referring to three different characters, and then to follow through with that and be able to keep the reader in the loop in-article; i.e. the reader clearly understands which of the three characters we're referring to throughout the article. Therefore, I believe that the Prince characters' article should be split appropriately. It's naming conventions I'm a bit confused about. Should I title the page, i.e. "The Prince (Sands of Time trilogy)"? That might not be descriptive enough to cover the character through all three games he appears in, though; only one game is actually called The Sands of Time. Then how would we go about naming the other articles, provided we could do that one successfully? The other two universes have no clear plot device that refers to the series of games that it appears in. In popular culture, the first reboot is called the Sands of Time trilogy. However, no such names exist for the other two universes. They are mostly referred to as "old Prince of Persia" or "new Prince of Persia", etc. So that obviously presents a problem. The only thing that I believe is obvious is that keeping the three characters confined to one article is a potential mistake. It would be a mighty feat for any editor to be able to write that prose clearly.
In short, I just need a few suggestions as to how to separate lists of characters that are from different universes, but of the same Prince of Persia namesake. I would also like advice as to separating the three Prince characters into separate articles in compliance with the naming conventions. Thanks for reading. The Guy ( edits) 03:27, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
(article disambigs) if you get far enough, the titles should all be made clear that each is a character from a Prince of Persia game. The first does that. The others don't since The Prince (Second game) could be any game. "The Prince" is a title used in multiple games. 陣 内 Jinnai 05:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I've been going through Category:Mac OS games today and I have found quite a number of games there that shouldn't be in that category, they should be in Category:Mac OS X games instead. Here is a quick rundown on how to tell which category to use:
Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 07:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
It's been discussed there and gave us this... But I think someone went a little bit overboard with that one...
Let's keep it to intros, and English words in Japanese titles, just as the thing says, shall we?
Removing the romanization of a bunch of names, for example, isn't helping anyone, especially when those names aren't English and/or have unusual pronunciations... Erigu ( talk) 00:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
I propose cutting down this article and merging it with MMORPG or possibly World of Warcraft. I was trying to go through it, reference it and delete unverifiable content but it's becoming clear that this is going to leave one or two sentences. Sources: [14] [15]. I notice that there seems to be no mention of twinking in either the MMORPG or WOW articles, yet still someone felt the need to write a whole article elsewhere. I thought I'd post here first before putting up merge tags, as I'm not quite sure of the best target article. bridies ( talk) 16:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Unrelated to the merge discussion above. Anyone care to contribute at Talk:Twinking#Reverts? I am getting nothing but incivility and bad faith accusations. Also keep an eye on the WP:VG sources page as the other party tried to uninilateraly add the source he is citing; DaveFuchs has reverted him. bridies ( talk) 20:21, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
A general shout across the board, mainly to people that hoard interviews or print sources, but the GA-article could use some added reception and development information. It originally had a large chunk of both sections torn away because they had less to do with the character and more with the series itself. And as it stands I've got my plate full enough, to be honest. x_X-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 00:42, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone played I, Robot (arcade game)? I'm planing on working on it, but since this was a commercial flop, I'm screwed in the Gameplay department. GamerPro64 ( talk) 18:08, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Thanks GiB. I might need them. As for MAME, Mika1h, it looks too complicated. GamerPro64 ( talk) 18:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm that this is a reliable reference? It might help me with the Gameplay section and stuff. GamerPro64 ( talk) 03:07, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I need a good web reference (since Gib is helping with book refs) that has nothing to do with IGN.com (I found three refs to I, Robot's name and its sad) so can someone please find one for me? GamerPro64 ( talk) 04:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for not answering in this section, but I'd like to bring the issue up again since it wasn't solved: A major part of the article Good-Feel was copied from the Super Mario Wiki article of the same name. In the Mario Wiki, the article was written by me. It was copied by a user to Wikipedia without giving proper attribution. The Mario Wiki uses the GNU-FDL as its license, and there are problems to copy such materials since Wikipedia replaced the GNU-FDL with a CC license. I have no prolem with making the text available under the CC license as well if that is allowed, but only with proper attribution, which is currently not the case. How can that be done when the article was already created months ago? And then there's also the article Yakuman DS, copied from Mario Wiki without any attribution (but not written by me). -- Grandy02 ( talk) 14:06, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone think Doomguy can be developed into an actual article at all? I won't turn this one into a merge discussion. TTN ( talk) 13:56, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
Needs more eyes. Dabomb87 ( talk) 22:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that the majority of articles related to Atlus are rated Start-class or lower, and several are just stubs. I haven't seen any other discussion about this, so because of the amount of work needed to improve all these articles, I would like to propose forming a task force named the Atlus Task Force. The scope of this task force would include any articles about Atlus, the products it has made (games only published by Atlus wouldn't be included), as well as characters created for an Atlus-made product. So, if you have any suggestions or would be interested in helping out, feel free to comment. Heavyweight Gamer ( talk) 05:35, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I've created some premade citation templates of the most commonly used sources, including GameSpot, IGN, and 1UP.com. This can be found over at User:MuZemike/Templates. If anyone wants to use them for reference and to copypaste in articles for convenience, please go ahead. Many of the entries have already been filled out, just fill in the blanks where needed (the entries with nothing after the equal sign). Cheers, MuZemike 05:28, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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