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Can I get some admin eyes on this article please? A group of editors are basically attempting to subvert the AfD process by converting the article to a bare redirect. A day after it became a Good Article no less. I'm fine with the article going to AfD if people think it's not notable, I'd be happy to defend it there. But this kind of thing is just WP:GAMING behavior. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 19:35, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I was wondering if anyone wanted to help reduce the amount of demoted video games topics that are at Wikipedia:Former featured topics. Broken Sword, Final Fantasy X/X-2, MedEvil, Ni No Kuni, Star Wars Jedi Knight and Super Smash Bros. are all 1 short from becoming a featured topic again. Similarily: Half Life 2, Key video games, The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, and The Orange Box all have 2 articles that need to be worked on to help become featured topics again. Thought I ask here in case anyone was interested. Thanks! -- MrLinkinPark333 ( talk) 04:14, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello my fellow Gaming Wikipedians and Happy Holidays! I hope today is great to hopefully wash out the bad taste that is this year, and make your time on here as merry as ever! I understand not everyone will be on today to spend time with their families (assuming you can meet with them), and also know this has nothing to do with gaming, but hope to spread the holiday cheer. Happy Holidays to all and to all a good night! Captain Galaxy 10:54, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Happy Holidays everyone. The Ur-Quan Masters is under review for good article status, and is more or less there. It needs an image of the game and for some reason I've always had trouble with the uploading interface. It's an open source game and there are tons of pics that are licensed to the public for non-commercial use. There's also some great images of the semi-notable HD mod (which is mentioned in the article several times, with citations to notable game journalists), and might better illustrate the community-driven nature of the project and its modifications. Adding an image would do me a big favor and help make the article better. Shooterwalker ( talk) 17:23, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
When I was editing on List of longest-running video game franchises, I notice it listed Pac-Man as released on July 1980, which I found curious because when I worked on the Pac-Man 40th Anniversary article, I found out that Namco celebrated the release of game as May 22, 1980. That got me curious so I started looking and apparently while the arcade cabinets were available to everyone in July 1980, the original Puck-Man cabinets were available in arcades in Shibuya, Tokyo on May 22. Additionally, sources such CNN list the release date as May 22 when asking for the original release date on Google. It seems on other articles, the release date is mixed, in fact List of Pac-Man video games list the release date as July in the infobox but as May 22 in the section about the first game. I'm wondering what you guys think we should list Pac-Man's release date as across Wikipedia. Whilst I think it should be May 22, I would also be fine with July instead. Captain Galaxy 12:38, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
CS:GO just got added to Category:Video game leaks, which confused me a little bit. The category says it's for games that have been fully leaked, and I'm not sure that's clear from the category name. I don't know anything about category naming norms but it seems like this might be better with a name that doesnt suggest the category contains articles about leaks themselves. Anyone here have more experience with this? Alyo ( chat· edits) 16:14, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Nom'd for renaming. Alyo ( chat· edits) 19:09, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't see many of our more experienced project members in the page history of List of best-selling PlayStation 4 video games. I'm not really a PS gamer and I've only recently started to look at this list as it is being used as justification to try to update other lists that I do watchlist. There's two on going issues right now.
1) An updated sales figure for Spider-man keeps being added. The figure is sourced to an unreliable anonymous Twitter account, who quotes the LinkedIn profile of a former executive. This is completely unofficial and unusable. 2) The list is FULL of Statista sourcing. Statista is known to quote VGChartz and to essentially laundry unreliable sources like them. Unfortunately, Statista now hides their sourcing behind a paywall so I cannot confirm any individual usages, but all usages I have seen in the past before the paywall were cited to VGChartz.
The list needs some serious work by an experienced editor with PlayStation 4 interest. -- ferret ( talk) 16:07, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
I've pinged for help before, but the Wii article is in danger of being delisted as a Featured Article. I've tried to fix most of the mechanical issues with it, but its been pointed out at the FAR review that there's content gaps (which I agree) related to development factors and its legacy given its Nintendo's best selling console. The article was originally in a state at the start of the FAR that had far too much "fanboy" level of detail and coverage which I've removed and replaced with better sourcing, but on these content gaps I would need help. It is likely this will be delisted if we can't fill those out; not that it cannot be repromoted but unless there's more help on it real soon here, it will be delisted. -- Masem ( t) 01:06, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Following the recent renaming of racing video game to racing game, I propose we rename simulation video game too. Discussion here. Popcornfud ( talk) 21:08, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Can we stop using these for video game sales from here on out? These are unreliable sources. Especially Statista who quotes VGChartz. Timur9008 ( talk) 20:27, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
To write that someone asserted or claimed something can call their statement's credibility into question, by emphasizing any potential contradiction or implying a disregard for evidence.Are you saying that we should be using 'claimed' specifically to call out their statement's veracity? I think in-text attribution is fine, but I wouldn't say claimed. I'd say something like, "Using figures provided by Epic Games, Polygon said that [...]". ImaginesTigers ( talk) 23:36, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey everyone. I think I'm going to tackle my first submission for FA in the next few weeks. I raised League of Legends to GA a few months back, because it was in a really bad spot. There was a lot of cruft, and very little proper referencing, so I added sections about the game in other media, spin-offs, its reputation for toxicity (important), and rewrote most of the article. If anyone would be willing to offer any feedback on the article as it currently stands, I'd be really thankful. It doesn't matter if you haven't been involved in FA promotion — everyone can vote, so everyone's views would be welcome (although obviously anyone with experience would be great). There's a few obvious pain points right now:
I saw Le Panini's recent nomination for Paper Mario: The Origami King, and some if it has been kind of brutal. One editor in particular seemed out of line to me, and I really hope that isn't the norm for FAC, but I just want to be as thorough as possible. Like I said, any feedback you have would be really welcome. ImaginesTigers ( talk) 01:51, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey all. I've started a discussion at the talk page for All Ghillied Up out of concern regarding its notability. Feel free to participate in this. Namcokid 47 (Contribs) 01:12, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
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Yes, Pretty Princess Party is GA up there- made on Dec 2, nominated for AfD the next day, then saved by Alexandra IDV who tagged it on the 15th while expanding it, and it became a GA today. -- Pres N 23:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I gotta say that the ammount of GAN articles waiting to be reviewed is getting ridiculous... Roberth Martinez ( talk) 23:56, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Something dreadful has happened in the Internet Archive! Tonight, when I looked for magazine articles in Official UK PlayStation Magazine from 1995 to 2004, it seems that almost all of them have been removed from the face of the earth! I even noticed for example that Issue #29 is not there anymore! This stinks! Now what? It seems that somebody needs to restore the removed articles pronto. -- Angeldeb82 ( talk) 03:37, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Please stop making these threads. GamerPro64 04:22, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
I've gotta get this article done sooner or later, and I choose sooner. I can't seem to find an article addressing my concerns, so I'm asking here. I'm concerned about the notes for each of the titles:
Le Panini [🥪] 08:07, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
an engaging lead that introduces the subject and defines the scope and inclusion criteria, which might be of help (feel free to look at my WoD list or other similar FLs to see how it may look)-- Alexandra IDV 08:26, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
PresN, AAAND do the Mario and Luigi and Paper Mario logos count as simple geometry for creative commons, or is there copyright? Le Panini [🥪] 06:43, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Category:Fortnite Battle Royale guest characters looks like a newly created category, is this one legit? 2601:249:8B80:4050:CDA8:9A60:4C11:2D72 ( talk) 16:08, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello. There's something that has been bothering me a bit.
I have seen the infobox template documentation being referred to as the reason to abbreviate the platforms in the release section, but per the documentation: "Platforms can be abbreviated to fit in one line and should be listed as bolded section..."
I feel like the use of "can" only states that it's allowed, but often it's not neccessary at all. So does it have to fit?
I believe that many articles right now are perfectly fine and not cluttered as they are. What's more, it makes it look neater, consistent and easily readable. What are your opinions on this? MaksimFisher ( talk) 03:11, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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"Only first date" continues to be something that I think might make sense in some cases ("came out in North America on December 1 and Europe on December 2") and not so much in others ("came out in Japan in 1992 and internationally in 2012"), and I know that as a reader I often want to know when a game was released in my region, and that I immediately look to the infobox as a place where I know I will find that information due to it being relatively uniform across articles. I can't see it being a service to readers to make that information less accessible.-- Alexandra IDV 02:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
As 2021 has either already happened or will happen for you wherever you live, I hope you have the best year you can possibly have! 2020 was atrocious for us all, but we managed to strive with big improvements to this WikiProject, so all I can say is let's work harder to make this place the best it can truly be! Let's go!!!!!!! Captain Galaxy 00:22, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi there!
I'm trying to expand the Reception section of League of Legends. Old sources are primarily what I'm looking for—I've been able to find a few from big outlets (IGN, Kotaku), but most are from smaller ones. I'm struggling to fill it out, though. Does anyone have any resources to point out for reviews of the game from around the time of the release? The official launch was October 2009, but anything into 2010 would be really great, too. Hell, anything that isn't currently on the article would be really helpful. If not, no big deal. Thanks for reading! — ImaginesTigers ( talk) 16:43, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
PCMag Review: [3]
PC Gamer Review: [4]
GameSpot Review: [5]
GamesRadar+ Review: [6]
And maybe you'll get something out of Eurogamer: [7]
So using some AWB-fu I went through the full list of articles in Category:Video game stubs, converted them all into their talk pages, and then removed the ones that didn't contain class=Stub or class=Star, just to see out of curiosity if there were any untagged pages that we should have tagged to the project or find articles that are unlikely to be assessed properly/need to be reassesed as a result. In the collapse is the data I found in case anyone was curious.
No one has to do anything with this data, but I thought it might be of interest to some of the people more knowledgeable about assessment than me and whether or not these articles should be in the video game stub category. For me it was mostly an experiment in regex. -- Lightlowemon ( talk) 08:24, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
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So, I've been intending to nominate Everlasting Summer for deletion at AfD, as it doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG. The references included in the article are all wikis, databases, WP:PRIMARY, store entries, and seemingly unreliable reviews (itndaily, LewdGamer and Thumbsticks). My WP:BEFORE searches didn't lead anywhere. Any opinions on this one? Thanks in advance! Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 11:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
A new parameter has been added to {{
Timeline of release years}}, compressempty
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God of War (franchise) and
Warcraft, but it's would be great for timelines like
Microsoft Flight Simulator or
Ninja Gaiden. The parameter is optional and must be explicitly added. --
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I created the tank controls article a few years ago as it seemed like something that should be covered somewhere. But it remains a short stubby article. I feel we ought to be able to move it into another article - I tried putting it into Virtual_camera_system#Fixed, but that's about, well, camera systems, so a couple of paragraphs suddenly talking about a control system didn't feel like it fit, especially since you can have tank controls regardless of camera system. Any other suggestions? Popcornfud ( talk) 14:53, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm attempting to take a look at the old FA Shadow of the Colossus for WP:URFA/2020, a project seeking to check up on pre-2015 FA promotions to make sure that they still meet the standards. Some of the sources used are very unfamiliar to me, and aren't listed at WP:VGRS or are listed as no consensus, so I'm wondering if any of y'all are familiar with them:
Sources that are listed as unreliable at VGRS and need replaced
My guess is most of those aren't FA-quality, so once reliability is determined, either these sources will need to be replaced, or a pre-FAR notice will need to be given on the article's talk page. Hog Farm Bacon 03:36, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Is there any reason why articles like 2021 in video games have the topic as "video games" instead of the industry, "video gaming"? I think they should all be moved to "<year> in video gaming" as most articles like these on Wikipedia use the industry instead of the noun in the names. Nixinova T C 22:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Here we are, ladies and gentlemen. This is the first review thread of 2021. And this is the fiftieth review thread at that. To commemorate the new year, now is the time to bring everything together and bring up all the articles needing reviews. So lets do this.
And, as usual, we have a backlog at the Request board. And with it being at 2021, we now have five years of backlog that needs to be conquered. So please help out with our backlog. GamerPro64 00:56, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Since I've started to now work on the reception section of video game articles fully (i.e. using them to explain what critics though of the title back in the day instead of just placing them and leaving it just like that), I'm going to commit myself though 2021 (don't know how long this process will last) to expand and fully finish the ones I previously worked on (those from the completed 1000 challenge to name an example). The scores were my main issue when it came to the reception section back when I was new to the WP:VG but now knowing that scores are not used in them is what led me to this self-imposed decision. So, if you see an article whose reception section was expanded by me (KGRAMR) then, let me know in my talk page and I'll get around it. Roberth Martinez ( talk) 07:11, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Given the ongoing discussion about the Klobb in GoldenEye, I've been paying fairly close attention to what people have been saying as it relates to video game items generally. Take, for instance, PresN's suggestion that "[i]ndividual game elements are pretty much never notable on their own". OceanHok's takes it one step further, saying we must consider "if it remains notable when it is not discussed with the game".
I'd like to start a discussion about video game items and their notability, separate from the game in which they appear. Let's look at some examples.
These articles all vary in size and quality. All are listed at C class on this Project's scale, except for the article on the Triforce, which is Start class. Many of these articles have references but — as we are seeing on Talk:Klobb) — references which simply mention the item are clearly not enough. With both PresN and OceanHok's words in mind, how do we establish if a game's individual elements are notable, detached from the context of the game? The WP:GNG are not really helpful. Might it be useful to establish our own sub-criteria, derived from the Wikipedia-wide policy, about video game elements? This could include items, but also characters. We currently have no existing policy; just a (very old) very old essay.
Interested to hear everyone's thoughts. – ImaginesTigers ( talk) 20:10, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
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Not posted on Monday because apparently I've forgotten what time is. -- Pres N 03:44, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
These "list of cancelled X games", weren't these all being deleted? Like the "list of cancelled N-Gage games". Is this a problem? Le Panini [🥪] 04:54, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ultima_III:_Exodus&type=revision&diff=999558697&oldid=999119877&diffmode=source A game made in America now has a category claiming it was also made in Japan with the Developer bit in the infobox mentioning the name of a Japanese company that ported it to Nintendo years after it was made. Do you mention every nation a port was made at? Dream Focus 20:22, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
So, as part of our assessment drive regarding good and/o:r featured topics, I think we might need to brainstorm some ideas on which topics would be best suitable for it. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 19:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Ace Combat seems like it's fairly close to being a good topic. It has several B-class articles that just need slight improvement and one GA already. One article, Ace Combat 3, almost reached GA and failed due to lack of time (I assume) the nominator had to work on the article, so a concerted effort would easily put it over the edge as the suggestions already exist. The main issue is the portable games in the series, whose articles are really stubby. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 23:14, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Why Drakengard isn't a GT already? It seems that all articles (series, mainline entries, Nier games, music) are GA. The GT for Smash can be restored quite easily if someone worked on Ultimate, which is quite comprehensive already. OceanHok ( talk) 13:49, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Now that there is a series article for Watch Dogs it is halfway to a possible GT, it needs the series article and Legion to become GA. Also Uncharted could be a potential topic I think about half the articles needed for the topic is good/featured though I am not sure how well the featured list on characters has held up since its promotion in 2010. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 16:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Here's a couple of the suggestions, for reference.
This is my current project, and I'd say I'm about 65% done. Fix up Super Paper Mario, finish the Sticker Star and Color Splash nominations, polish TTYD, and I'll pretty much be on my way. Le Panini [🥪] 00:26, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Le Panini [🥪] 22:08, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm currently working on the following (main article that's gonna' need a lot of help is the series one.)
Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 22:53, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
This is mine that I'm working on at this moment.
I was vaguely thinking of trying to get a Music article done as well, since there's four albums with music reviews together with reception of the music from game reviews. -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 23:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Here's something I could do.
I wouldn't mind finishing off the main titles of The Legend of Zelda series for it's 35th anniversary next year. Only these 3 articles are not GA or higher. Captain Galaxy 23:41, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Maybe we can also try getting the Yakuza series up to GT/FT. Here's how it currently looks at the present.
Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 01:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I have been trying to get Lumines into a featured topic for a while if anyone wants to assist with the task.
Blue Pumpkin Pie Chat Contribs 16:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
This is more along the lines of what I was talking about. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 19:15, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
There is also the FF7 series.
Video games
Blue Pumpkin Pie Chat Contribs 16:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
How about Shenmue?
Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 21:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
The Xenoblade Chronicles series could be another one of our GT/FT ideas. As of this moment, only the first video game article is a GA.
Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 05:09, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Created by AntonioMDA, we now have {{ Indie DB Indie of the Year recipients}} and {{ Steam Awards GOTY}}, both I believe being USERG/user voted awards. MOS:VG tells us to exclude these from award tables/prose so I'm not sure why we'd have navbars for them. Thoughts before I TfD? -- ferret ( talk) 18:01, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
These have been nominated at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 January 11 -- ferret ( talk) 15:29, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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What defines a game that should belong in the "Shovelware video games" category? This category is super vague. To me, this looks like a Scott the Woz fan at work (considering Chicken Shoot is in here). But that could just be coincidence. Le Panini [🥪] 16:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
An IP user has recently added several ratings by AllGame to various VG articles. I did a few spot checks and, in many cases, these ratings have no reviews attached, meaning reasoning and attribution for these reviews are lacking. As @ Indrian noted, some of these ratings are for games decades older than AllGame, making it unlikely that the ratings were not produced in an orderly fashion. Technically, these also fail the requirement of being used in the prose, as there is no review text to process. Should these ratings be removed where no review is present? IceWelder [ ✉] 14:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
If everyone is in agreement over this, I would give AWB a spin later today. IceWelder [ ✉] 15:50, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Not too long ago, most of the lists of cancelled games by publisher were deleted. Should we consider taking the rest of the list of cancelled games by system to AFD? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 21:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I have been heavily contributing to the Modern Warfare Remastered article since it's inception in early 2017, where I subsequently helped to get it to good article status not long after. As it's remained a GA for almost 4 years now and has continued to be improved, I was wondering if an admin could advise whether it sufficiently met criteria to be considered a featured article? Going by what I've read at WP:GACR, however, I'm inclined to think there are several standards it might not comply with, such as article length. Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 00:47, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Popcornfud: @ Rhain: @ Masem: Hello all. I have nominated the article Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered today for a WP:Peer review as I am hoping to get it to GA status, and I was wondering if any of you could kindly take the time out to give me feedback? I've pinged you as I've been familiar with your veteran work focusing on pop culture, including video games, for a while now, and am positive the article would greatly benefit from your expertise. If any of you no longer focus on FA's anymore please let me know. Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 23:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Wikipedia:MK. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 12#Wikipedia:MK until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Elliot321 ( talk | contribs) 22:37, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm working on Good Job! right now (totally not for the Wikicup or anything), and found a developer interview perfect for the development section. However, its from Nintendo Everything, an unreliable source according to WP:VG/RS. This is an interview, though, so this would be a primary source nonetheless. Their info came straight from the developers in-person. Would I still be allowed to use this? I can't find other secondary sources responding to this, due to the game being a small release. Would I still be allowed to say this? Le Panini [🥪] 22:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
After going through List of highest-grossing video game franchises and List of highest-grossing media franchises, I decided to take a look at the other "highest-grossing" pages too, and found that List of highest-grossing mobile games is also littered with suspect citations. One of the chief sources cited (in fact, the majority of the entries cite it) is http://game-i.daa.jp , a site which is not listed as a RS here, nor is it cited anywhere else on Wikipedia. I see no evidence that its figures are anything more than machine-generated estimates based on, well, who knows. I'm also having trouble finding where, exactly, the figures in the citations appear on each page; I'm not seeing them. The second-most-used source is the http://sensortower.com blog, which, again, has few citations on Wikipedia (though more than game-i.daa.jp). I notice that Tetris uses the same bogus price-multiplying method as on the other "Highest-grossing (x)" pages, too. Phediuk ( talk) 02:19, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Gog the Mild suggested seeking out someone for a source review, and was wondering if anyone would be up to do so. It would be much appreciated.
And, while I'm at it, League of Legends needs an image review. Wikicup, anyone? Le Panini [🥪] 13:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Just found out that GameRevolution changed their score system again. So not sure if this will be retroactive but just a heads up to all. https://www.gamerevolution.com/features/671666-letter-from-the-editor-gamerevolution-review-scale GamerPro64 05:29, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Today I created Makoto Naegi but I won't be able to edit during the two weeks due to a break I'll be taking. I'm not familiar with all of Danganronpa series so I wonder if somebody could look over it. In regards to the voice actors, I have been finding these commentaries by the staff but I still haven't found anything about Ogata's work or Makoto's role in the sequels. Cheers. Tintor2 ( talk) 01:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, My name is Matthew and I work for Unity Software. I've disclosed this on my profile and at Talk:Unity Technologies, where I am proposing updates to the article with current information. Specifically, I've requested the addition of some information about how Unity is being used in filmmaking and updated usage statistics. My proposed changes have been added to the edit , but I thought I'd reach out here to see if any editors are interested in taking a look at my requests. Thanks! Matthewpruitt ( talk) 18:51, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I don’t know if anyone here has looked at List of highest-grossing video game franchises, but it contains a huge number of spurious entries.
For instance, consider the entry for Pokemon. It arrives at the impressively precise figure of $19.533 billion dollars in revenue for the franchise across its entire history. Surely there would be a rock-solid reliable source for this figure, or at least a source that would allow such a figure to be deduced in a straightforward fashion. There is not.
Let us take a look at the sources that are cited:
For “1996–2000 Game Boy releases”, the list cites some page called "Gamegyokai", from which it calculates 25,410,000 units sold, and then, based on their “average ¥3,679 price”, it arrives at a figure of ¥93,484,600,000. There are several problems with this method. The page does not say that ¥3,679 was the “average” price of anything; it has a column that translates to “price”, but who knows what that means – the price in a catalog listing? The MSRP? Just this guy’s estimate? Who knows. Second, what even is this source? It appears to be just some guy’s webpage. A cursory search on Wikipedia indicates that “gamegyokai” is cited only on this and a couple of other pages, certainly nothing whatsoever that shows this is accepted as a RS.
The page makes another leap of logic when the time comes to add everything up: the page lumps in the ¥93,484,600,000, which it invented, with all “1996–2012 releases” of Pokemon games to arrive at a sum of ¥300,462,849,600 ($3,765,670,505). Leaving aside the fact that these sales figures are cited to a no-name site called “Japan Game Sales Database” (which doesn’t seem to be cited anywhere else on Wikipedia), the page takes its “average” prices (which are not actually stated to be “average”), multiplies them by sales figures, combines them, and then converts the sum to USD based on the exchange rate of, well, I don’t know, it doesn’t say. Is it just a single constant exchange rate for all of the games, even though they were released up to 16 years apart? Who knows.
The page’s problems are not limited just to Japanese figures; American figures are just as dubious. It offers a total Pokemon overseas revenue figure of $9.265 billion by taking a figure of 200,006,810 units (where it got this number from, the page doesn’t say) and multiplying it by an “average price” of $39.95. One of its chief sources for the “overseas” Pokemon figures is the ‘‘ Destructoid’‘ review of HeartGold and SoulSilver. The review does not say that $39.99 is the “average” price, but only that $39.99 is the MSRP—that is, the manufacturer’s suggested retail price. It is not evidence that games were actually sold at that price, and even less evidence that it was the "average" price, and still less evidence to conclude that (x) game made (y) amount of money based on it. To make matters worse, the page even applies the MSRP to the entire retail life of the games, and applies the US price to every country except Japan! Also, the aforementioned review cited for the price of “Pokémon console software … up to 2015” applies the $39.99 price to Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver only; it make no claim that the MSRP is for anything but that specific game, let alone for all Pokemon games up to 2015.
Let us, for another example, take a look at the Super Mario entry. The page states, “Worldwide retail sales up until September 2010 – 240 million units[1][2] – $12,988,043,606”. Both cited sources do indeed mention the 240 million figure; however, neither of them mention anywhere, whatsoever, the $12,988,043,606 figure this page somehow arrives at. This is, quite simply, not supported by the sources. The page then cites “Overseas” figures for the Super Mario series, determining them to be “198,757,148 units, average $50 price[2] – $9,937,857,400”. The citation given is Jeff Ryan’s Super Mario: How Nintendo Conquered America. The cited source plainly does not include the “198,757,148 units”. It is not there, period. The page appears to arrive at this number by taking the 240 million figure cited above, subtracting 41 million Japanese sales that it added up from a separate (non-reliable) source, and then taking the 198,757,148 remainder from that and multiplying it by $50, based on nothing more than an offhand comment from Ryan’s book about video games being $50. To top it all off, the “Japanese sales” section extrapolates all of its revenue figures by taking a sales figure from a dubious source, multiplying it by the price, lumping all the yen revenue figures together, and then converting the sum to USD, even though the games in question were released decades apart and therefore would be at different exchange rates (which the page ignores.) This is some of the most tangled WP:SYNTH that I think I’ve ever seen here.
I wish I could say that these problems were restricted to the Pokemon and Super Mario entries, but they are not. In fact, a massive swathe of entries invent revenue numbers in the same fashion, by taking a citation of a price from one source, declaring that to be the "average" price, and then multiplying that "average" by a sales figure from another source (often itself having portions added/subtracted based on figures from still other sources), to arrive at a new number, not stated by any source. There are very few “Lifetime revenue” numbers on the page that are actually stated in a source; almost all are the invention of the page.
List of highest-grossing media franchises appears to have been calculated in the same specious manner, though someone at least put a warning at the top of that one. What to do here? Remove everything that isn’t an explicit overall franchise revenue figure from a reliable source?
Also, a final warning: I notice that List of highest-grossing media franchises’s fabricated numbers have been cited numerous times by media outlets, and the same is probably true of the video game franchises page, so we must be extra-cautious of WP:Citogenesis when finding legitimate sources for revenue figures. Phediuk ( talk) 02:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Given I've created both pages. It's only fair for me to comment. Both pages looked way different when I created them. Maestro2016 is the one who expanded both pages. So we should ask him for comment. And yes I agree the highest-grossing video game franchise list needs to be put to draft phase. Timur9008 ( talk) 10:57, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Phediuk can the discussion be closed now since the majority voted to delete the article? Timur9008 ( talk) 10:50, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
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I've been doing research into a potential expansion of the article Sudeki. In the course of that, I've come across a now-dead page authored by Shaun Pearson, one of the "Technical Artists" for the game. It contains interesting information regarding its name change, but where that information is also includes some potentially inflammatory remarks on Pearson's part about some internal Climax staff dispute. Can this source still be used? The game's name change from "Symphony of Light" to "Sudeki", and even the fact that "Suteki" was intended as the original title are sourced elsewhere, just not with this insider detail. -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 21:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
I have doubts that we need List of PlayStation 3 games released on disc or any of its alphabetical subdivision since that doesn’t sound like a particularly defining feature not does the 360 appear to have a similar list. For similar reasons I’m also not sure about List of Wii games with traditional control schemes. I noticed it was previously up for deletion under its old title in 2009 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Wii games that use the Nintendo GameCube controller but I’m curious if there should be a second go since the last discussion was over a decade old.-- 65.92.160.124 ( talk) 02:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
I have worked on this article for two months and have expanded the article by a lot, especially the critical reception section. The article is almost ready for being submitted for a GA review. Right now, it is pending a copyedit, peer review, and reassessment. If there is anything more I could do for the article right now, please say so. Thanks Lazman321 ( talk) 19:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, My name is Matthew and I work for Unity Software. I've disclosed this on my profile and at Talk:Unity Technologies, where I am proposing updates to the article with current information. Specifically, I've requested the addition of some information about how Unity is being used in filmmaking and updated usage statistics. My proposed changes have been added to the edit Request log, but I thought I'd reach out here to see if any editors are interested in taking a look at my requests. Thanks! Matthewpruitt ( talk) 19:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
So, i recently started a draft about the infamous Sega Mega Drive/Genesis homebrew game Paprium by WaterMelon. If any members of the WP:VG come across with reviews of the game (i have two already on the draft) then let me know on my talk page and i'll add it onto the draft. I have a list of sources about the game's history already so i have that area covered. Roberth Martinez ( talk) 04:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Wikipedia:BW. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 January 23#Wikipedia:BW until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. -- C o r t e x 💬talk 11:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
I restored this previously redirected article and added a bunch of sources, as you can see in this version of the article, and yet the article was reverted to a redirect; can anyone help me find additional sources to help assert notability so that it can be restored? 98.32.192.121 ( talk) 19:00, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm currently reviewing the GAN The Hobbit (2003 video game). I have received no responses since putting the article on hold. Is someone willing to actually address the issues raised, since the nominator appears not to be available? -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 21:00, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Don't think I can continue this. It's hard to figure out how to do it.— ImaginesTigers ( talk) 13:56, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I think that List of The Legend of Zelda media should be nominated for Today's featured list for February 22, 2021. This would be one day after the 35th anniversary of the series (Featured lists could only be used on either a Monday or a Friday. If you are wondering, it is already a featured list. Do you think that this is a good idea? (Oinkers42) ( talk) 18:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Quantifying that (and ignoring the ones that they ignored the first release in other regions), the 10th anniversary is usually a good reason to request an FA to be on Today's Featured Article so here's what we have and their state:
So Bastion and Batman: AC are effectively ready to go though recommend a review in a 2 month window prior to their anniversary dates and adding to the TFA queue. of the others, it would be nice (IMO) to see Portal 2, LA Noire, Dark Souls, and Skyrim - four extremely key games - to TFA, but all would need to be pushed through the FA process. I know I had gotten some of the way through on Portal 2 closer on is release side, but didn't complete it then. -- Masem ( t) 17:44, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Skyrim is on my radar. I've been speaking about it with ferret. If he's still keen, that's something we will be tackling towards the middle of the year (plenty of time for the anniversary). Thanks for posting this, though! Good idea to try and get it at TFA on that day. — ImaginesTigers ( talk) 13:58, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
So, over the past few weeks or so, I've been assessing quite a bit of unassessed video game articles using the Rater template. That said, I have a question: do you guys think we should start a new assessment drive for the video games project if no one objects to it? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 04:37, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga passed its GAN review about thirteen years ago, in 2008, but I really don't think it is at a level that we would expect from a GA in 2021. I've outlined some issues on its talk page; I don't think this is insurmountable or anything, it just needs some research and editing work. I am personally interested in making sure this article keeps its GA status - it is no secret that MLSS is my personal favorite video game - but if you're interested and have the time, I would appreciate any help with it!-- Alexandra IDV 06:06, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
An AfD for Rugal Bernstein was closed as Merge on November 28, 2020... but no one's actually merged it. Is there anyone here familiar with the series who can do it? -- Pres N 14:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I was exploring wikipedia/video games and i was surprised to find that there are none india related esport articles, for eg. esport teams/organisations in india while as india has a very huge esport industry and worth being on wikipedia, like indian teams/organisations who have played major and notable tournaments, while as other countries which are less notable have these articles present on wikipedia, also since my first article’s subject was related to esports i have had done some research so i would like to contribute, looking for someone who can guide me with the writing style. Thanks. Hums4r ( Let's Talk) 08:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
This may be applicable to other related WikiProjects, especially those that cover the animated film/television genres, but for now I'll start the discussion here because it's the project most relevant to the article that's currently my focus, List of Resident Evil characters. I did look over Talk:List of Resident Evil characters and its archive, but this was never brought up.
The issue is game-performance credits that have been cited to the Behind the Voice Actors website, and specifically how that's being done by some editors. (I didn't do any research into edit histories on this, because my intent here isn't to assign blame or call any individual out. I'm generally of the mind that if I observe one person doing something, then they're most likely not alone, nor is it limited to the specific instances I know about. If it turns out that's not the case here, and this really doesn't go beyond an isolated editor's contributions to a single article, then this discussion probably isn't necessary and I'll apologize for wasting everyone's time.)
It seems that there are citations being made to BtVA with an included "disclaimer" attached to them. Presumably this is intended as an establishment of reliability, since BtVA has a crowdsourced element to its data and at times will therefore be branded as unreliable. "Not so!" our intrepid editor(s) assert, via a {{
Cite web}}
transclusion containing the following parameter:
{{ Cite web|...|postscript=. A green check mark indicates that a role has been confirmed using a screenshot (or collage of screenshots) of the title's list of voice actors and their respective characters found in its closing credits and/or other reliable sources of information.}}
Here are my issues with that:
|postscript=
parameter, first and foremost. As documented, |postscript=
is intended only to configure the ending punctuation for the citation — it defaults to just a period, and it's primarily configurable so that it can be set to nothing (e.g. {{
Cite web|...|postscript=}}
) when necessary. Not so that it can be used to attach a long-winded justification to the cite. In fact, I'm tempted to propose that all transclusions of {{
Cite web}}
with a |postscript=
argument longer than 1 character be added to a new tracking category, as it's likely they're all similarly abusing the parameter and should be cleaned up. But that's tangential.{{
Cite web}}
template is for, and its |postscript=
parameter least of all. Granted, those other methods won't prevent another editor removing the citation, but neither will (or should) an in-article explanation of how, "No, it's OK, this time it's a reliable source."I'm going to remove the disclaimers, no question about that, purely based on my point #1 above. Even if the consensus is that they're useful and should remain a part of the visible citation text, abusing |postscript=
is not how that's accomplished, so we should come up with a better approach to replace it.
So that's the thing I wanted to seek consensus on: what should be done with these "disclaimers"?
|postscript=
and its appended text from the transclusions, full stop?All input would be welcome other than "just leave them they way they are", which I don't view as an option unless we want to completely rewrite the definition of |postscript=
at
Template:Cite web/doc#Display options. (But if that's your view and you feel you can convince me, go for it. I am not immune to strong counterarguments.) (Please {{
ping}} on any replies.) --
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Can I get some admin eyes on this article please? A group of editors are basically attempting to subvert the AfD process by converting the article to a bare redirect. A day after it became a Good Article no less. I'm fine with the article going to AfD if people think it's not notable, I'd be happy to defend it there. But this kind of thing is just WP:GAMING behavior. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 19:35, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello. I was wondering if anyone wanted to help reduce the amount of demoted video games topics that are at Wikipedia:Former featured topics. Broken Sword, Final Fantasy X/X-2, MedEvil, Ni No Kuni, Star Wars Jedi Knight and Super Smash Bros. are all 1 short from becoming a featured topic again. Similarily: Half Life 2, Key video games, The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, and The Orange Box all have 2 articles that need to be worked on to help become featured topics again. Thought I ask here in case anyone was interested. Thanks! -- MrLinkinPark333 ( talk) 04:14, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello my fellow Gaming Wikipedians and Happy Holidays! I hope today is great to hopefully wash out the bad taste that is this year, and make your time on here as merry as ever! I understand not everyone will be on today to spend time with their families (assuming you can meet with them), and also know this has nothing to do with gaming, but hope to spread the holiday cheer. Happy Holidays to all and to all a good night! Captain Galaxy 10:54, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Happy Holidays everyone. The Ur-Quan Masters is under review for good article status, and is more or less there. It needs an image of the game and for some reason I've always had trouble with the uploading interface. It's an open source game and there are tons of pics that are licensed to the public for non-commercial use. There's also some great images of the semi-notable HD mod (which is mentioned in the article several times, with citations to notable game journalists), and might better illustrate the community-driven nature of the project and its modifications. Adding an image would do me a big favor and help make the article better. Shooterwalker ( talk) 17:23, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
When I was editing on List of longest-running video game franchises, I notice it listed Pac-Man as released on July 1980, which I found curious because when I worked on the Pac-Man 40th Anniversary article, I found out that Namco celebrated the release of game as May 22, 1980. That got me curious so I started looking and apparently while the arcade cabinets were available to everyone in July 1980, the original Puck-Man cabinets were available in arcades in Shibuya, Tokyo on May 22. Additionally, sources such CNN list the release date as May 22 when asking for the original release date on Google. It seems on other articles, the release date is mixed, in fact List of Pac-Man video games list the release date as July in the infobox but as May 22 in the section about the first game. I'm wondering what you guys think we should list Pac-Man's release date as across Wikipedia. Whilst I think it should be May 22, I would also be fine with July instead. Captain Galaxy 12:38, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
CS:GO just got added to Category:Video game leaks, which confused me a little bit. The category says it's for games that have been fully leaked, and I'm not sure that's clear from the category name. I don't know anything about category naming norms but it seems like this might be better with a name that doesnt suggest the category contains articles about leaks themselves. Anyone here have more experience with this? Alyo ( chat· edits) 16:14, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
Nom'd for renaming. Alyo ( chat· edits) 19:09, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't see many of our more experienced project members in the page history of List of best-selling PlayStation 4 video games. I'm not really a PS gamer and I've only recently started to look at this list as it is being used as justification to try to update other lists that I do watchlist. There's two on going issues right now.
1) An updated sales figure for Spider-man keeps being added. The figure is sourced to an unreliable anonymous Twitter account, who quotes the LinkedIn profile of a former executive. This is completely unofficial and unusable. 2) The list is FULL of Statista sourcing. Statista is known to quote VGChartz and to essentially laundry unreliable sources like them. Unfortunately, Statista now hides their sourcing behind a paywall so I cannot confirm any individual usages, but all usages I have seen in the past before the paywall were cited to VGChartz.
The list needs some serious work by an experienced editor with PlayStation 4 interest. -- ferret ( talk) 16:07, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
I've pinged for help before, but the Wii article is in danger of being delisted as a Featured Article. I've tried to fix most of the mechanical issues with it, but its been pointed out at the FAR review that there's content gaps (which I agree) related to development factors and its legacy given its Nintendo's best selling console. The article was originally in a state at the start of the FAR that had far too much "fanboy" level of detail and coverage which I've removed and replaced with better sourcing, but on these content gaps I would need help. It is likely this will be delisted if we can't fill those out; not that it cannot be repromoted but unless there's more help on it real soon here, it will be delisted. -- Masem ( t) 01:06, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Following the recent renaming of racing video game to racing game, I propose we rename simulation video game too. Discussion here. Popcornfud ( talk) 21:08, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Can we stop using these for video game sales from here on out? These are unreliable sources. Especially Statista who quotes VGChartz. Timur9008 ( talk) 20:27, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
To write that someone asserted or claimed something can call their statement's credibility into question, by emphasizing any potential contradiction or implying a disregard for evidence.Are you saying that we should be using 'claimed' specifically to call out their statement's veracity? I think in-text attribution is fine, but I wouldn't say claimed. I'd say something like, "Using figures provided by Epic Games, Polygon said that [...]". ImaginesTigers ( talk) 23:36, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey everyone. I think I'm going to tackle my first submission for FA in the next few weeks. I raised League of Legends to GA a few months back, because it was in a really bad spot. There was a lot of cruft, and very little proper referencing, so I added sections about the game in other media, spin-offs, its reputation for toxicity (important), and rewrote most of the article. If anyone would be willing to offer any feedback on the article as it currently stands, I'd be really thankful. It doesn't matter if you haven't been involved in FA promotion — everyone can vote, so everyone's views would be welcome (although obviously anyone with experience would be great). There's a few obvious pain points right now:
I saw Le Panini's recent nomination for Paper Mario: The Origami King, and some if it has been kind of brutal. One editor in particular seemed out of line to me, and I really hope that isn't the norm for FAC, but I just want to be as thorough as possible. Like I said, any feedback you have would be really welcome. ImaginesTigers ( talk) 01:51, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Hey all. I've started a discussion at the talk page for All Ghillied Up out of concern regarding its notability. Feel free to participate in this. Namcokid 47 (Contribs) 01:12, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
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Yes, Pretty Princess Party is GA up there- made on Dec 2, nominated for AfD the next day, then saved by Alexandra IDV who tagged it on the 15th while expanding it, and it became a GA today. -- Pres N 23:28, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
I gotta say that the ammount of GAN articles waiting to be reviewed is getting ridiculous... Roberth Martinez ( talk) 23:56, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Something dreadful has happened in the Internet Archive! Tonight, when I looked for magazine articles in Official UK PlayStation Magazine from 1995 to 2004, it seems that almost all of them have been removed from the face of the earth! I even noticed for example that Issue #29 is not there anymore! This stinks! Now what? It seems that somebody needs to restore the removed articles pronto. -- Angeldeb82 ( talk) 03:37, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Please stop making these threads. GamerPro64 04:22, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
I've gotta get this article done sooner or later, and I choose sooner. I can't seem to find an article addressing my concerns, so I'm asking here. I'm concerned about the notes for each of the titles:
Le Panini [🥪] 08:07, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
an engaging lead that introduces the subject and defines the scope and inclusion criteria, which might be of help (feel free to look at my WoD list or other similar FLs to see how it may look)-- Alexandra IDV 08:26, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
PresN, AAAND do the Mario and Luigi and Paper Mario logos count as simple geometry for creative commons, or is there copyright? Le Panini [🥪] 06:43, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Category:Fortnite Battle Royale guest characters looks like a newly created category, is this one legit? 2601:249:8B80:4050:CDA8:9A60:4C11:2D72 ( talk) 16:08, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Hello. There's something that has been bothering me a bit.
I have seen the infobox template documentation being referred to as the reason to abbreviate the platforms in the release section, but per the documentation: "Platforms can be abbreviated to fit in one line and should be listed as bolded section..."
I feel like the use of "can" only states that it's allowed, but often it's not neccessary at all. So does it have to fit?
I believe that many articles right now are perfectly fine and not cluttered as they are. What's more, it makes it look neater, consistent and easily readable. What are your opinions on this? MaksimFisher ( talk) 03:11, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
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"Only first date" continues to be something that I think might make sense in some cases ("came out in North America on December 1 and Europe on December 2") and not so much in others ("came out in Japan in 1992 and internationally in 2012"), and I know that as a reader I often want to know when a game was released in my region, and that I immediately look to the infobox as a place where I know I will find that information due to it being relatively uniform across articles. I can't see it being a service to readers to make that information less accessible.-- Alexandra IDV 02:54, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
As 2021 has either already happened or will happen for you wherever you live, I hope you have the best year you can possibly have! 2020 was atrocious for us all, but we managed to strive with big improvements to this WikiProject, so all I can say is let's work harder to make this place the best it can truly be! Let's go!!!!!!! Captain Galaxy 00:22, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi there!
I'm trying to expand the Reception section of League of Legends. Old sources are primarily what I'm looking for—I've been able to find a few from big outlets (IGN, Kotaku), but most are from smaller ones. I'm struggling to fill it out, though. Does anyone have any resources to point out for reviews of the game from around the time of the release? The official launch was October 2009, but anything into 2010 would be really great, too. Hell, anything that isn't currently on the article would be really helpful. If not, no big deal. Thanks for reading! — ImaginesTigers ( talk) 16:43, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
PCMag Review: [3]
PC Gamer Review: [4]
GameSpot Review: [5]
GamesRadar+ Review: [6]
And maybe you'll get something out of Eurogamer: [7]
So using some AWB-fu I went through the full list of articles in Category:Video game stubs, converted them all into their talk pages, and then removed the ones that didn't contain class=Stub or class=Star, just to see out of curiosity if there were any untagged pages that we should have tagged to the project or find articles that are unlikely to be assessed properly/need to be reassesed as a result. In the collapse is the data I found in case anyone was curious.
No one has to do anything with this data, but I thought it might be of interest to some of the people more knowledgeable about assessment than me and whether or not these articles should be in the video game stub category. For me it was mostly an experiment in regex. -- Lightlowemon ( talk) 08:24, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
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So, I've been intending to nominate Everlasting Summer for deletion at AfD, as it doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG. The references included in the article are all wikis, databases, WP:PRIMARY, store entries, and seemingly unreliable reviews (itndaily, LewdGamer and Thumbsticks). My WP:BEFORE searches didn't lead anywhere. Any opinions on this one? Thanks in advance! Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 11:09, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
A new parameter has been added to {{
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I created the tank controls article a few years ago as it seemed like something that should be covered somewhere. But it remains a short stubby article. I feel we ought to be able to move it into another article - I tried putting it into Virtual_camera_system#Fixed, but that's about, well, camera systems, so a couple of paragraphs suddenly talking about a control system didn't feel like it fit, especially since you can have tank controls regardless of camera system. Any other suggestions? Popcornfud ( talk) 14:53, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
I'm attempting to take a look at the old FA Shadow of the Colossus for WP:URFA/2020, a project seeking to check up on pre-2015 FA promotions to make sure that they still meet the standards. Some of the sources used are very unfamiliar to me, and aren't listed at WP:VGRS or are listed as no consensus, so I'm wondering if any of y'all are familiar with them:
Sources that are listed as unreliable at VGRS and need replaced
My guess is most of those aren't FA-quality, so once reliability is determined, either these sources will need to be replaced, or a pre-FAR notice will need to be given on the article's talk page. Hog Farm Bacon 03:36, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Is there any reason why articles like 2021 in video games have the topic as "video games" instead of the industry, "video gaming"? I think they should all be moved to "<year> in video gaming" as most articles like these on Wikipedia use the industry instead of the noun in the names. Nixinova T C 22:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Here we are, ladies and gentlemen. This is the first review thread of 2021. And this is the fiftieth review thread at that. To commemorate the new year, now is the time to bring everything together and bring up all the articles needing reviews. So lets do this.
And, as usual, we have a backlog at the Request board. And with it being at 2021, we now have five years of backlog that needs to be conquered. So please help out with our backlog. GamerPro64 00:56, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Since I've started to now work on the reception section of video game articles fully (i.e. using them to explain what critics though of the title back in the day instead of just placing them and leaving it just like that), I'm going to commit myself though 2021 (don't know how long this process will last) to expand and fully finish the ones I previously worked on (those from the completed 1000 challenge to name an example). The scores were my main issue when it came to the reception section back when I was new to the WP:VG but now knowing that scores are not used in them is what led me to this self-imposed decision. So, if you see an article whose reception section was expanded by me (KGRAMR) then, let me know in my talk page and I'll get around it. Roberth Martinez ( talk) 07:11, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Given the ongoing discussion about the Klobb in GoldenEye, I've been paying fairly close attention to what people have been saying as it relates to video game items generally. Take, for instance, PresN's suggestion that "[i]ndividual game elements are pretty much never notable on their own". OceanHok's takes it one step further, saying we must consider "if it remains notable when it is not discussed with the game".
I'd like to start a discussion about video game items and their notability, separate from the game in which they appear. Let's look at some examples.
These articles all vary in size and quality. All are listed at C class on this Project's scale, except for the article on the Triforce, which is Start class. Many of these articles have references but — as we are seeing on Talk:Klobb) — references which simply mention the item are clearly not enough. With both PresN and OceanHok's words in mind, how do we establish if a game's individual elements are notable, detached from the context of the game? The WP:GNG are not really helpful. Might it be useful to establish our own sub-criteria, derived from the Wikipedia-wide policy, about video game elements? This could include items, but also characters. We currently have no existing policy; just a (very old) very old essay.
Interested to hear everyone's thoughts. – ImaginesTigers ( talk) 20:10, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
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These "list of cancelled X games", weren't these all being deleted? Like the "list of cancelled N-Gage games". Is this a problem? Le Panini [🥪] 04:54, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ultima_III:_Exodus&type=revision&diff=999558697&oldid=999119877&diffmode=source A game made in America now has a category claiming it was also made in Japan with the Developer bit in the infobox mentioning the name of a Japanese company that ported it to Nintendo years after it was made. Do you mention every nation a port was made at? Dream Focus 20:22, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
So, as part of our assessment drive regarding good and/o:r featured topics, I think we might need to brainstorm some ideas on which topics would be best suitable for it. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 19:31, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Ace Combat seems like it's fairly close to being a good topic. It has several B-class articles that just need slight improvement and one GA already. One article, Ace Combat 3, almost reached GA and failed due to lack of time (I assume) the nominator had to work on the article, so a concerted effort would easily put it over the edge as the suggestions already exist. The main issue is the portable games in the series, whose articles are really stubby. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 23:14, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
Why Drakengard isn't a GT already? It seems that all articles (series, mainline entries, Nier games, music) are GA. The GT for Smash can be restored quite easily if someone worked on Ultimate, which is quite comprehensive already. OceanHok ( talk) 13:49, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Now that there is a series article for Watch Dogs it is halfway to a possible GT, it needs the series article and Legion to become GA. Also Uncharted could be a potential topic I think about half the articles needed for the topic is good/featured though I am not sure how well the featured list on characters has held up since its promotion in 2010. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 16:27, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Here's a couple of the suggestions, for reference.
This is my current project, and I'd say I'm about 65% done. Fix up Super Paper Mario, finish the Sticker Star and Color Splash nominations, polish TTYD, and I'll pretty much be on my way. Le Panini [🥪] 00:26, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Le Panini [🥪] 22:08, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm currently working on the following (main article that's gonna' need a lot of help is the series one.)
Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 22:53, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
This is mine that I'm working on at this moment.
I was vaguely thinking of trying to get a Music article done as well, since there's four albums with music reviews together with reception of the music from game reviews. -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 23:05, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Here's something I could do.
I wouldn't mind finishing off the main titles of The Legend of Zelda series for it's 35th anniversary next year. Only these 3 articles are not GA or higher. Captain Galaxy 23:41, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Maybe we can also try getting the Yakuza series up to GT/FT. Here's how it currently looks at the present.
Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 01:14, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
I have been trying to get Lumines into a featured topic for a while if anyone wants to assist with the task.
Blue Pumpkin Pie Chat Contribs 16:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
This is more along the lines of what I was talking about. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 19:15, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
There is also the FF7 series.
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Blue Pumpkin Pie Chat Contribs 16:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
How about Shenmue?
Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 21:10, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
The Xenoblade Chronicles series could be another one of our GT/FT ideas. As of this moment, only the first video game article is a GA.
Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 05:09, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Created by AntonioMDA, we now have {{ Indie DB Indie of the Year recipients}} and {{ Steam Awards GOTY}}, both I believe being USERG/user voted awards. MOS:VG tells us to exclude these from award tables/prose so I'm not sure why we'd have navbars for them. Thoughts before I TfD? -- ferret ( talk) 18:01, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
These have been nominated at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 January 11 -- ferret ( talk) 15:29, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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What defines a game that should belong in the "Shovelware video games" category? This category is super vague. To me, this looks like a Scott the Woz fan at work (considering Chicken Shoot is in here). But that could just be coincidence. Le Panini [🥪] 16:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
An IP user has recently added several ratings by AllGame to various VG articles. I did a few spot checks and, in many cases, these ratings have no reviews attached, meaning reasoning and attribution for these reviews are lacking. As @ Indrian noted, some of these ratings are for games decades older than AllGame, making it unlikely that the ratings were not produced in an orderly fashion. Technically, these also fail the requirement of being used in the prose, as there is no review text to process. Should these ratings be removed where no review is present? IceWelder [ ✉] 14:12, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
If everyone is in agreement over this, I would give AWB a spin later today. IceWelder [ ✉] 15:50, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello. Not too long ago, most of the lists of cancelled games by publisher were deleted. Should we consider taking the rest of the list of cancelled games by system to AFD? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 21:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
I have been heavily contributing to the Modern Warfare Remastered article since it's inception in early 2017, where I subsequently helped to get it to good article status not long after. As it's remained a GA for almost 4 years now and has continued to be improved, I was wondering if an admin could advise whether it sufficiently met criteria to be considered a featured article? Going by what I've read at WP:GACR, however, I'm inclined to think there are several standards it might not comply with, such as article length. Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 00:47, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@ Popcornfud: @ Rhain: @ Masem: Hello all. I have nominated the article Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Remastered today for a WP:Peer review as I am hoping to get it to GA status, and I was wondering if any of you could kindly take the time out to give me feedback? I've pinged you as I've been familiar with your veteran work focusing on pop culture, including video games, for a while now, and am positive the article would greatly benefit from your expertise. If any of you no longer focus on FA's anymore please let me know. Wikibenboy94 ( talk) 23:03, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
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I'm working on Good Job! right now (totally not for the Wikicup or anything), and found a developer interview perfect for the development section. However, its from Nintendo Everything, an unreliable source according to WP:VG/RS. This is an interview, though, so this would be a primary source nonetheless. Their info came straight from the developers in-person. Would I still be allowed to use this? I can't find other secondary sources responding to this, due to the game being a small release. Would I still be allowed to say this? Le Panini [🥪] 22:32, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
After going through List of highest-grossing video game franchises and List of highest-grossing media franchises, I decided to take a look at the other "highest-grossing" pages too, and found that List of highest-grossing mobile games is also littered with suspect citations. One of the chief sources cited (in fact, the majority of the entries cite it) is http://game-i.daa.jp , a site which is not listed as a RS here, nor is it cited anywhere else on Wikipedia. I see no evidence that its figures are anything more than machine-generated estimates based on, well, who knows. I'm also having trouble finding where, exactly, the figures in the citations appear on each page; I'm not seeing them. The second-most-used source is the http://sensortower.com blog, which, again, has few citations on Wikipedia (though more than game-i.daa.jp). I notice that Tetris uses the same bogus price-multiplying method as on the other "Highest-grossing (x)" pages, too. Phediuk ( talk) 02:19, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Gog the Mild suggested seeking out someone for a source review, and was wondering if anyone would be up to do so. It would be much appreciated.
And, while I'm at it, League of Legends needs an image review. Wikicup, anyone? Le Panini [🥪] 13:26, 14 January 2021 (UTC)
Just found out that GameRevolution changed their score system again. So not sure if this will be retroactive but just a heads up to all. https://www.gamerevolution.com/features/671666-letter-from-the-editor-gamerevolution-review-scale GamerPro64 05:29, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Today I created Makoto Naegi but I won't be able to edit during the two weeks due to a break I'll be taking. I'm not familiar with all of Danganronpa series so I wonder if somebody could look over it. In regards to the voice actors, I have been finding these commentaries by the staff but I still haven't found anything about Ogata's work or Makoto's role in the sequels. Cheers. Tintor2 ( talk) 01:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, My name is Matthew and I work for Unity Software. I've disclosed this on my profile and at Talk:Unity Technologies, where I am proposing updates to the article with current information. Specifically, I've requested the addition of some information about how Unity is being used in filmmaking and updated usage statistics. My proposed changes have been added to the edit , but I thought I'd reach out here to see if any editors are interested in taking a look at my requests. Thanks! Matthewpruitt ( talk) 18:51, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
I don’t know if anyone here has looked at List of highest-grossing video game franchises, but it contains a huge number of spurious entries.
For instance, consider the entry for Pokemon. It arrives at the impressively precise figure of $19.533 billion dollars in revenue for the franchise across its entire history. Surely there would be a rock-solid reliable source for this figure, or at least a source that would allow such a figure to be deduced in a straightforward fashion. There is not.
Let us take a look at the sources that are cited:
For “1996–2000 Game Boy releases”, the list cites some page called "Gamegyokai", from which it calculates 25,410,000 units sold, and then, based on their “average ¥3,679 price”, it arrives at a figure of ¥93,484,600,000. There are several problems with this method. The page does not say that ¥3,679 was the “average” price of anything; it has a column that translates to “price”, but who knows what that means – the price in a catalog listing? The MSRP? Just this guy’s estimate? Who knows. Second, what even is this source? It appears to be just some guy’s webpage. A cursory search on Wikipedia indicates that “gamegyokai” is cited only on this and a couple of other pages, certainly nothing whatsoever that shows this is accepted as a RS.
The page makes another leap of logic when the time comes to add everything up: the page lumps in the ¥93,484,600,000, which it invented, with all “1996–2012 releases” of Pokemon games to arrive at a sum of ¥300,462,849,600 ($3,765,670,505). Leaving aside the fact that these sales figures are cited to a no-name site called “Japan Game Sales Database” (which doesn’t seem to be cited anywhere else on Wikipedia), the page takes its “average” prices (which are not actually stated to be “average”), multiplies them by sales figures, combines them, and then converts the sum to USD based on the exchange rate of, well, I don’t know, it doesn’t say. Is it just a single constant exchange rate for all of the games, even though they were released up to 16 years apart? Who knows.
The page’s problems are not limited just to Japanese figures; American figures are just as dubious. It offers a total Pokemon overseas revenue figure of $9.265 billion by taking a figure of 200,006,810 units (where it got this number from, the page doesn’t say) and multiplying it by an “average price” of $39.95. One of its chief sources for the “overseas” Pokemon figures is the ‘‘ Destructoid’‘ review of HeartGold and SoulSilver. The review does not say that $39.99 is the “average” price, but only that $39.99 is the MSRP—that is, the manufacturer’s suggested retail price. It is not evidence that games were actually sold at that price, and even less evidence that it was the "average" price, and still less evidence to conclude that (x) game made (y) amount of money based on it. To make matters worse, the page even applies the MSRP to the entire retail life of the games, and applies the US price to every country except Japan! Also, the aforementioned review cited for the price of “Pokémon console software … up to 2015” applies the $39.99 price to Pokemon HeartGold and SoulSilver only; it make no claim that the MSRP is for anything but that specific game, let alone for all Pokemon games up to 2015.
Let us, for another example, take a look at the Super Mario entry. The page states, “Worldwide retail sales up until September 2010 – 240 million units[1][2] – $12,988,043,606”. Both cited sources do indeed mention the 240 million figure; however, neither of them mention anywhere, whatsoever, the $12,988,043,606 figure this page somehow arrives at. This is, quite simply, not supported by the sources. The page then cites “Overseas” figures for the Super Mario series, determining them to be “198,757,148 units, average $50 price[2] – $9,937,857,400”. The citation given is Jeff Ryan’s Super Mario: How Nintendo Conquered America. The cited source plainly does not include the “198,757,148 units”. It is not there, period. The page appears to arrive at this number by taking the 240 million figure cited above, subtracting 41 million Japanese sales that it added up from a separate (non-reliable) source, and then taking the 198,757,148 remainder from that and multiplying it by $50, based on nothing more than an offhand comment from Ryan’s book about video games being $50. To top it all off, the “Japanese sales” section extrapolates all of its revenue figures by taking a sales figure from a dubious source, multiplying it by the price, lumping all the yen revenue figures together, and then converting the sum to USD, even though the games in question were released decades apart and therefore would be at different exchange rates (which the page ignores.) This is some of the most tangled WP:SYNTH that I think I’ve ever seen here.
I wish I could say that these problems were restricted to the Pokemon and Super Mario entries, but they are not. In fact, a massive swathe of entries invent revenue numbers in the same fashion, by taking a citation of a price from one source, declaring that to be the "average" price, and then multiplying that "average" by a sales figure from another source (often itself having portions added/subtracted based on figures from still other sources), to arrive at a new number, not stated by any source. There are very few “Lifetime revenue” numbers on the page that are actually stated in a source; almost all are the invention of the page.
List of highest-grossing media franchises appears to have been calculated in the same specious manner, though someone at least put a warning at the top of that one. What to do here? Remove everything that isn’t an explicit overall franchise revenue figure from a reliable source?
Also, a final warning: I notice that List of highest-grossing media franchises’s fabricated numbers have been cited numerous times by media outlets, and the same is probably true of the video game franchises page, so we must be extra-cautious of WP:Citogenesis when finding legitimate sources for revenue figures. Phediuk ( talk) 02:16, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Given I've created both pages. It's only fair for me to comment. Both pages looked way different when I created them. Maestro2016 is the one who expanded both pages. So we should ask him for comment. And yes I agree the highest-grossing video game franchise list needs to be put to draft phase. Timur9008 ( talk) 10:57, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
Phediuk can the discussion be closed now since the majority voted to delete the article? Timur9008 ( talk) 10:50, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
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Hmm, noticed a bug- if you move a page and then recreate the old title (e.g. move Blaster Master -> Blaster Master (video game) and then remake Blaster Master as a series page) the script is "fixing" the creation as if Blaster Master (video game) is the new article due to the page move. It weirdly happened twice this week (List of PlayStation 3 games released on disc), so let me know if I missed any others while I think of how to fix it. -- Pres N 15:00, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
I've been doing research into a potential expansion of the article Sudeki. In the course of that, I've come across a now-dead page authored by Shaun Pearson, one of the "Technical Artists" for the game. It contains interesting information regarding its name change, but where that information is also includes some potentially inflammatory remarks on Pearson's part about some internal Climax staff dispute. Can this source still be used? The game's name change from "Symphony of Light" to "Sudeki", and even the fact that "Suteki" was intended as the original title are sourced elsewhere, just not with this insider detail. -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 21:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
I have doubts that we need List of PlayStation 3 games released on disc or any of its alphabetical subdivision since that doesn’t sound like a particularly defining feature not does the 360 appear to have a similar list. For similar reasons I’m also not sure about List of Wii games with traditional control schemes. I noticed it was previously up for deletion under its old title in 2009 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Wii games that use the Nintendo GameCube controller but I’m curious if there should be a second go since the last discussion was over a decade old.-- 65.92.160.124 ( talk) 02:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
I have worked on this article for two months and have expanded the article by a lot, especially the critical reception section. The article is almost ready for being submitted for a GA review. Right now, it is pending a copyedit, peer review, and reassessment. If there is anything more I could do for the article right now, please say so. Thanks Lazman321 ( talk) 19:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, My name is Matthew and I work for Unity Software. I've disclosed this on my profile and at Talk:Unity Technologies, where I am proposing updates to the article with current information. Specifically, I've requested the addition of some information about how Unity is being used in filmmaking and updated usage statistics. My proposed changes have been added to the edit Request log, but I thought I'd reach out here to see if any editors are interested in taking a look at my requests. Thanks! Matthewpruitt ( talk) 19:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
So, i recently started a draft about the infamous Sega Mega Drive/Genesis homebrew game Paprium by WaterMelon. If any members of the WP:VG come across with reviews of the game (i have two already on the draft) then let me know on my talk page and i'll add it onto the draft. I have a list of sources about the game's history already so i have that area covered. Roberth Martinez ( talk) 04:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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I restored this previously redirected article and added a bunch of sources, as you can see in this version of the article, and yet the article was reverted to a redirect; can anyone help me find additional sources to help assert notability so that it can be restored? 98.32.192.121 ( talk) 19:00, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi, I'm currently reviewing the GAN The Hobbit (2003 video game). I have received no responses since putting the article on hold. Is someone willing to actually address the issues raised, since the nominator appears not to be available? -- ProtoDrake ( talk) 21:00, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
Don't think I can continue this. It's hard to figure out how to do it.— ImaginesTigers ( talk) 13:56, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I think that List of The Legend of Zelda media should be nominated for Today's featured list for February 22, 2021. This would be one day after the 35th anniversary of the series (Featured lists could only be used on either a Monday or a Friday. If you are wondering, it is already a featured list. Do you think that this is a good idea? (Oinkers42) ( talk) 18:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Quantifying that (and ignoring the ones that they ignored the first release in other regions), the 10th anniversary is usually a good reason to request an FA to be on Today's Featured Article so here's what we have and their state:
So Bastion and Batman: AC are effectively ready to go though recommend a review in a 2 month window prior to their anniversary dates and adding to the TFA queue. of the others, it would be nice (IMO) to see Portal 2, LA Noire, Dark Souls, and Skyrim - four extremely key games - to TFA, but all would need to be pushed through the FA process. I know I had gotten some of the way through on Portal 2 closer on is release side, but didn't complete it then. -- Masem ( t) 17:44, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Skyrim is on my radar. I've been speaking about it with ferret. If he's still keen, that's something we will be tackling towards the middle of the year (plenty of time for the anniversary). Thanks for posting this, though! Good idea to try and get it at TFA on that day. — ImaginesTigers ( talk) 13:58, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
So, over the past few weeks or so, I've been assessing quite a bit of unassessed video game articles using the Rater template. That said, I have a question: do you guys think we should start a new assessment drive for the video games project if no one objects to it? Lord Sjones23 ( talk - contributions) 04:37, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga passed its GAN review about thirteen years ago, in 2008, but I really don't think it is at a level that we would expect from a GA in 2021. I've outlined some issues on its talk page; I don't think this is insurmountable or anything, it just needs some research and editing work. I am personally interested in making sure this article keeps its GA status - it is no secret that MLSS is my personal favorite video game - but if you're interested and have the time, I would appreciate any help with it!-- Alexandra IDV 06:06, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
An AfD for Rugal Bernstein was closed as Merge on November 28, 2020... but no one's actually merged it. Is there anyone here familiar with the series who can do it? -- Pres N 14:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I was exploring wikipedia/video games and i was surprised to find that there are none india related esport articles, for eg. esport teams/organisations in india while as india has a very huge esport industry and worth being on wikipedia, like indian teams/organisations who have played major and notable tournaments, while as other countries which are less notable have these articles present on wikipedia, also since my first article’s subject was related to esports i have had done some research so i would like to contribute, looking for someone who can guide me with the writing style. Thanks. Hums4r ( Let's Talk) 08:00, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
This may be applicable to other related WikiProjects, especially those that cover the animated film/television genres, but for now I'll start the discussion here because it's the project most relevant to the article that's currently my focus, List of Resident Evil characters. I did look over Talk:List of Resident Evil characters and its archive, but this was never brought up.
The issue is game-performance credits that have been cited to the Behind the Voice Actors website, and specifically how that's being done by some editors. (I didn't do any research into edit histories on this, because my intent here isn't to assign blame or call any individual out. I'm generally of the mind that if I observe one person doing something, then they're most likely not alone, nor is it limited to the specific instances I know about. If it turns out that's not the case here, and this really doesn't go beyond an isolated editor's contributions to a single article, then this discussion probably isn't necessary and I'll apologize for wasting everyone's time.)
It seems that there are citations being made to BtVA with an included "disclaimer" attached to them. Presumably this is intended as an establishment of reliability, since BtVA has a crowdsourced element to its data and at times will therefore be branded as unreliable. "Not so!" our intrepid editor(s) assert, via a {{
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transclusion containing the following parameter:
{{ Cite web|...|postscript=. A green check mark indicates that a role has been confirmed using a screenshot (or collage of screenshots) of the title's list of voice actors and their respective characters found in its closing credits and/or other reliable sources of information.}}
Here are my issues with that:
|postscript=
parameter, first and foremost. As documented, |postscript=
is intended only to configure the ending punctuation for the citation — it defaults to just a period, and it's primarily configurable so that it can be set to nothing (e.g. {{
Cite web|...|postscript=}}
) when necessary. Not so that it can be used to attach a long-winded justification to the cite. In fact, I'm tempted to propose that all transclusions of {{
Cite web}}
with a |postscript=
argument longer than 1 character be added to a new tracking category, as it's likely they're all similarly abusing the parameter and should be cleaned up. But that's tangential.{{
Cite web}}
template is for, and its |postscript=
parameter least of all. Granted, those other methods won't prevent another editor removing the citation, but neither will (or should) an in-article explanation of how, "No, it's OK, this time it's a reliable source."I'm going to remove the disclaimers, no question about that, purely based on my point #1 above. Even if the consensus is that they're useful and should remain a part of the visible citation text, abusing |postscript=
is not how that's accomplished, so we should come up with a better approach to replace it.
So that's the thing I wanted to seek consensus on: what should be done with these "disclaimers"?
|postscript=
and its appended text from the transclusions, full stop?All input would be welcome other than "just leave them they way they are", which I don't view as an option unless we want to completely rewrite the definition of |postscript=
at
Template:Cite web/doc#Display options. (But if that's your view and you feel you can convince me, go for it. I am not immune to strong counterarguments.) (Please {{
ping}} on any replies.) --
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