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I'm planning to import a set of 2,567 maps, of which the one above is the first, to Wikimedia Commons. There will be one for each current station in England, Wales, and Scotland.
The full set may be seen via [1].
I'd be grateful for comments on the description of the above image on Commons, and its caption on Birmingham New Street railway station, in order to develop a model which we can hopefully deploy to all, or most, station articles. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Hey all - in rolling stock articles, where is the line between useful technical numbers/data and far too much information?
To me, overly detailed explanation of individual vehicle numbering (e.g. British_Rail_Class_701#Vehicle numbering or British_Rail_Class_195#Vehicle numbering) falls into the latter category - it's highly specialised information more relevant to a database ( WP:NOTDATABASE) or a technical audience. Whereas two GA articles of British Rail Class 455 and British Rail Class 700 have clear and simple fleet and formation tables that show relevant data without too much data.
Thoughts? Turini2 ( talk) 12:43, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Currently, I have found a few articles using S-rail that links to Northumberland Park station in London rather than Northumberland Park Metro station. Could someone please update S-rail to add this link? I've forgotten how to do it. Difficultly north ( talk) Time, department skies 14:07, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
FYI, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Free access to The Railway Magazine. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 22:19, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I thought I'd post here to see if anyone has access to a source which might provide the opening date for Hoy railway station. I've mentioned the discrepancy on the talk page, but finding an actual reference seems to have eluded me so far! I'd appreciate any help. Thanks FozzieHey ( talk) 21:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents § 82.22.44.102.
FozzieHey (
talk)
22:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
re British Rail Class D16/1 and the photo linked as 10000 on the scrap line at Derby
This link (formatted as a reference) has now been removed three times:
Should it be included or not?
I would support keeping it. It may not meet WP:RS, we don't require it to. For one thing there is no policy on WP stating that all references must each meet WP:RS. They might not achieve WP:V if they don't, but it's not justification for removing them. The content "between withdrawal and scrapping, 10000 spent some time in storage at Derby" is already sourced, but there is also value in linking to a photograph showing this, especially as it also shows one of the Bulleids behind it. This is a photo at Flickr. If not for the lack of a free licence here, we'd place the same photo on Commons and embed it in the article directly. But we can't do that, this is our nearest option. The third removal here and its edit summary really is clutching at straws: "It's a reference because it's a reference" and also failing to appreciate the need for free licensing on images that we host ourselves (I can't claim that this image would meet NFCC given that we already have other images).
Your comments please Andy Dingley ( talk) 19:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Normally, regardless of the title, MOS:LEAD sections always contain the legal (possibly official) name first followed by the WP:COMMONNAME. So an article about Southeastern (train operating company) says
While an article about a person will normally always display their real/legal/official/full name followed by the common name (article title) if appropriate.
I made this edit to HS1, swapping HS1 and CTRL before getting reverted. Is the case of HS1s alternative names different to Southeastern or Northern since these are companies (and will display their legal name not used in sources), but HS1 is a railway?
I also added Eurostar next to Network Rail in that edit. JuniperChill ( talk) 12:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
system
not the operators one. But tbh, even if {{
Infobox rail line}} gives
National Rail as an example that isn't really a system either? There really isn't one other than just the
Great Britain railway system?
Dank
Jae
16:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)An editor has requested that Southeastern (train operating company) be moved to Southeastern (train operating company, 2021–), which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion.. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
An editor has requested that South Western Railway (train operating company) be moved to South Western Railway, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. Jalen Folf (talk) 19:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
As you may be aware, there is currently a drive to reduce unreferenced articles on wikipedia ( WP:FEB24). The List of closed railway stations in Norfolk is one of the oldest unreferenced articles. It shouldn't be too hard to fully reference it, should it? Mjroots ( talk) 15:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
I love adding references and it is one of my pet peeves of articles in general without references. Pardon my ignorance on this, but is there a list of UK railway articles apart from this one that need attention? GRALISTAIR ( talk) 14:35, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi, @
Skivermac16111994, has been massively changing the route=
parameter at {{
rail line}} from the name of the line to the destinations of the line on station articles (mainly those starting with "H" for now).
With
some errors added along the way, for example they changed "Wirral Line (Chester branch)" and replaced it with "Hooton - Liverpool Lime Street or New Brighton or West Kirby" (trains don't go to the latter two from Hooton),
[3] as well as "South West Main Line"
replaced with "London Waterloo - Weymouth". Just raising due to the scale of the edits, but could be justified, but consensus first? Although using the destinations may require more maintenance and accuracy.
The examples at {{
rail line}} state the company and rail line (e.g.
Great Western Railway
Cherwell Valley Line )
, not the destinations I believe?
Some of their edits local to me have some errors, [4] there may be more due to how many, but likely good faith! Thanks Dank Jae 22:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
they don’t have a ... talk page- User talk:Skivermac16111994 has existed since 08:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC). Anyway, if you have concerns over the user's activities, send them a helpful message, observing WP:AGF. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 17:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
I've updated the main project page but I will not have time to do the stations. Can someone update Cameron Bridge railway station and Leven railway station (Fife) that according to STV, the opening date will be 2 June 2024 for the whole line? STV report. Difficultly north ( talk) Time, department skies 12:15, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
I asked if another title would be suitable. Please respond to that articles talk page and not here. JuniperChill ( talk) 18:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC) (not an official RM btw) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuniperChill ( talk • contribs) 18:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ultra (rapid transit)#Requested move 29 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
I have proposed that the map in the Severn Valley Railway article should be edited to remove the excessive detail north of Bridgnorth so that it correctly reflects the subject of the article, the heritage railway. Please respond to that article's talk page and not here. Robin84F ( talk) 09:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Within the last year, a contributor had added Sturtom station (shown in red) that was situated between Gainsborugh North Junction and Clarborough Junction, east of Retford. Quick shows it opening on 11th July 1849 and closing on 2nd February 1959. That line section was once part of the Sheffield and Lincolnshire Junction Railway.
Would it be possible for a Wikipedia article be opened on this station, as at the age of 79, such matters are beyond me.
Xenophon Philosopher ( talk) 11:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
East Midlands Mainline (RfD) and EMR Regional (AfD) are up for discussion. Please see the pages for links to the discussion pages respectively JuniperChill ( talk) 10:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Following some back-and-forth editing on GWR loco classes, I started this thread on Talk:GWR 4073 Class (hence the GWR joke). I have moved it here as suggested by @ Danners430, to get a wider perspective. For reference, here are links to WP:CAPTION and - specific to Infoboxes - MOS:CAPLENGTH: note the distinction between succinctness and brevity. Also pinging @ Murgatroyd49.
Can we come to some consensus about what infobox image captions should contain? It may be assumed that the image represents the subject of the article, but a caption that just says (in effect) 'This is a picture of <subject>' isn't adding anything helpful. Also, clicking through to the image page will give more information, but not every reader knows that or wants to interrupt their reading of the article to do that. In relation to locomotives, I suggest:
These are my opinions, which I think do not conflict with any rules or guidelines. Agree or differ as you feel moved. -- Verbarson talk edits 19:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
I've opened a discussion about an issue anonymous users created on the Greater Anglia article. See Talk:Greater Anglia#Operation on Fen line?. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 17:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
I know this is not the place to be discussing user problems, but has anyone else been noticing problematic editing by this user, specifically in edits to railway stations, TOCs, and List of companies operating trains in the United Kingdom that might seem like nonsense? I've already given them a final warning about using edit summaries, since all of their edits don't use one, but I'm not inclined to send them to an administrative venue. Does anyone have any opinions on this issue? Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 19:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
You can find the link here: [5]. Covering Demons Bridge railway station, Simpasture railway station, Stillington railway station and Saltersgate Cottage railway station and if they are notable for an article each. 20:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC) DragonofBatley ( talk) 20:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Following edits by @ Anamyd over at Class 197, what would be the consensus on multi-lingual nameplates on trains? 197001 and 197004 carry nameplates which are in both Welsh and English… should we keep the Welsh text as well as the English translation, given that’s what the nameplate physically says, or should we only keep the translation?
Asking here because it would probably be best to make a decision to standardise this for UK trains. Danners430 ( talk) 19:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
{{
lang|cy|...}}
. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk)
20:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi - not a controversial move, but I want to check the logic is correct and when this should be carried out.
Two stations in England will soon have identical names and National Rail functions. The Northumberland Line is about to open (summer, according to their website), so there's likely to be much confusion between these two – in fact, on my way here online, I found one when searching for the other:
From Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations), the first is a "railway station" solely (no Tube), the second will be titled a "station" due to hosting both railway and Tyne & Wear Metro (as Sunderland station and Heworth Interchange do). The renovation of the North Tyneside station isn't major: an extra platform and line beside the existing Metro - see p12 here and photo here - so not really enough for a separate article as Central Station Metro station has.
In Talk:Northumberland Park Metro station, @ Difficultly north suggested the above name-change and/or adding regional identifiers - I would also favour adding regions to each name. Neither station is significantly larger, "Northumberland Park (railway) station" without context can mean either one and would be confusing, as I found, and there's much precendent for a further disambiguation, such as Halifax station, Stirling railway station, Davenport railway station, Fairfield railway station, Clifton railway station.
The Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations)#Disambiguation guideline says to clarify using country name (England) or "County/local community, for cases where the station name is ambiguous within the same country". So, in this case, I would use:
*Ceremonial county may technically be Greater London; in practice we already have Sydenham railway station (London) and Richmond station (London). Both Northumberland Parks have 250–350 links on Wiki, but most seem to be in Templates that would be easy to edit.
Am I missing anything? And when should any changes be put into effect? The Northumberland Line isn't ready to start operating yet, and Northumberland Park won't be among its first stations to open.
Thanks, 1RightSider ( talk) 04:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Actually, hold on. Northumberland Park, Bedlington and Blyth Bebside have all been delayed until either October 2024 or until 2025. We might not need to move these yet. News reports are only saying Seaton Delaval, Newsham and Ashington will be ready when it first opens. Difficultly north ( talk) Time, department skies 11:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Besides, various sources are suggesting the initial stations will open in August. Difficultly north ( talk) Time, department skies 15:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
A discussion is in place regarding the renaming of Haymarket railway station. Discuss this over at Talk:Haymarket railway station#Requested move 10 June 2024 JuniperChill ( talk) 17:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
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Archive 50 | ← | Archive 55 | Archive 56 | Archive 57 |
I'm planning to import a set of 2,567 maps, of which the one above is the first, to Wikimedia Commons. There will be one for each current station in England, Wales, and Scotland.
The full set may be seen via [1].
I'd be grateful for comments on the description of the above image on Commons, and its caption on Birmingham New Street railway station, in order to develop a model which we can hopefully deploy to all, or most, station articles. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:53, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
Hey all - in rolling stock articles, where is the line between useful technical numbers/data and far too much information?
To me, overly detailed explanation of individual vehicle numbering (e.g. British_Rail_Class_701#Vehicle numbering or British_Rail_Class_195#Vehicle numbering) falls into the latter category - it's highly specialised information more relevant to a database ( WP:NOTDATABASE) or a technical audience. Whereas two GA articles of British Rail Class 455 and British Rail Class 700 have clear and simple fleet and formation tables that show relevant data without too much data.
Thoughts? Turini2 ( talk) 12:43, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Currently, I have found a few articles using S-rail that links to Northumberland Park station in London rather than Northumberland Park Metro station. Could someone please update S-rail to add this link? I've forgotten how to do it. Difficultly north ( talk) Time, department skies 14:07, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
FYI, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Trains#Free access to The Railway Magazine. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 22:19, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I thought I'd post here to see if anyone has access to a source which might provide the opening date for Hoy railway station. I've mentioned the discrepancy on the talk page, but finding an actual reference seems to have eluded me so far! I'd appreciate any help. Thanks FozzieHey ( talk) 21:39, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents § 82.22.44.102.
FozzieHey (
talk)
22:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
re British Rail Class D16/1 and the photo linked as 10000 on the scrap line at Derby
This link (formatted as a reference) has now been removed three times:
Should it be included or not?
I would support keeping it. It may not meet WP:RS, we don't require it to. For one thing there is no policy on WP stating that all references must each meet WP:RS. They might not achieve WP:V if they don't, but it's not justification for removing them. The content "between withdrawal and scrapping, 10000 spent some time in storage at Derby" is already sourced, but there is also value in linking to a photograph showing this, especially as it also shows one of the Bulleids behind it. This is a photo at Flickr. If not for the lack of a free licence here, we'd place the same photo on Commons and embed it in the article directly. But we can't do that, this is our nearest option. The third removal here and its edit summary really is clutching at straws: "It's a reference because it's a reference" and also failing to appreciate the need for free licensing on images that we host ourselves (I can't claim that this image would meet NFCC given that we already have other images).
Your comments please Andy Dingley ( talk) 19:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
Normally, regardless of the title, MOS:LEAD sections always contain the legal (possibly official) name first followed by the WP:COMMONNAME. So an article about Southeastern (train operating company) says
While an article about a person will normally always display their real/legal/official/full name followed by the common name (article title) if appropriate.
I made this edit to HS1, swapping HS1 and CTRL before getting reverted. Is the case of HS1s alternative names different to Southeastern or Northern since these are companies (and will display their legal name not used in sources), but HS1 is a railway?
I also added Eurostar next to Network Rail in that edit. JuniperChill ( talk) 12:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
system
not the operators one. But tbh, even if {{
Infobox rail line}} gives
National Rail as an example that isn't really a system either? There really isn't one other than just the
Great Britain railway system?
Dank
Jae
16:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)An editor has requested that Southeastern (train operating company) be moved to Southeastern (train operating company, 2021–), which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion.. Thryduulf ( talk) 13:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
An editor has requested that South Western Railway (train operating company) be moved to South Western Railway, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. Jalen Folf (talk) 19:44, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
As you may be aware, there is currently a drive to reduce unreferenced articles on wikipedia ( WP:FEB24). The List of closed railway stations in Norfolk is one of the oldest unreferenced articles. It shouldn't be too hard to fully reference it, should it? Mjroots ( talk) 15:50, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
I love adding references and it is one of my pet peeves of articles in general without references. Pardon my ignorance on this, but is there a list of UK railway articles apart from this one that need attention? GRALISTAIR ( talk) 14:35, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi, @
Skivermac16111994, has been massively changing the route=
parameter at {{
rail line}} from the name of the line to the destinations of the line on station articles (mainly those starting with "H" for now).
With
some errors added along the way, for example they changed "Wirral Line (Chester branch)" and replaced it with "Hooton - Liverpool Lime Street or New Brighton or West Kirby" (trains don't go to the latter two from Hooton),
[3] as well as "South West Main Line"
replaced with "London Waterloo - Weymouth". Just raising due to the scale of the edits, but could be justified, but consensus first? Although using the destinations may require more maintenance and accuracy.
The examples at {{
rail line}} state the company and rail line (e.g.
Great Western Railway
Cherwell Valley Line )
, not the destinations I believe?
Some of their edits local to me have some errors, [4] there may be more due to how many, but likely good faith! Thanks Dank Jae 22:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)
they don’t have a ... talk page- User talk:Skivermac16111994 has existed since 08:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC). Anyway, if you have concerns over the user's activities, send them a helpful message, observing WP:AGF. -- Redrose64 🌹 ( talk) 17:35, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
I've updated the main project page but I will not have time to do the stations. Can someone update Cameron Bridge railway station and Leven railway station (Fife) that according to STV, the opening date will be 2 June 2024 for the whole line? STV report. Difficultly north ( talk) Time, department skies 12:15, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
I asked if another title would be suitable. Please respond to that articles talk page and not here. JuniperChill ( talk) 18:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC) (not an official RM btw) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JuniperChill ( talk • contribs) 18:34, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ultra (rapid transit)#Requested move 29 April 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 15:20, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
I have proposed that the map in the Severn Valley Railway article should be edited to remove the excessive detail north of Bridgnorth so that it correctly reflects the subject of the article, the heritage railway. Please respond to that article's talk page and not here. Robin84F ( talk) 09:47, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
Within the last year, a contributor had added Sturtom station (shown in red) that was situated between Gainsborugh North Junction and Clarborough Junction, east of Retford. Quick shows it opening on 11th July 1849 and closing on 2nd February 1959. That line section was once part of the Sheffield and Lincolnshire Junction Railway.
Would it be possible for a Wikipedia article be opened on this station, as at the age of 79, such matters are beyond me.
Xenophon Philosopher ( talk) 11:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
East Midlands Mainline (RfD) and EMR Regional (AfD) are up for discussion. Please see the pages for links to the discussion pages respectively JuniperChill ( talk) 10:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Following some back-and-forth editing on GWR loco classes, I started this thread on Talk:GWR 4073 Class (hence the GWR joke). I have moved it here as suggested by @ Danners430, to get a wider perspective. For reference, here are links to WP:CAPTION and - specific to Infoboxes - MOS:CAPLENGTH: note the distinction between succinctness and brevity. Also pinging @ Murgatroyd49.
Can we come to some consensus about what infobox image captions should contain? It may be assumed that the image represents the subject of the article, but a caption that just says (in effect) 'This is a picture of <subject>' isn't adding anything helpful. Also, clicking through to the image page will give more information, but not every reader knows that or wants to interrupt their reading of the article to do that. In relation to locomotives, I suggest:
These are my opinions, which I think do not conflict with any rules or guidelines. Agree or differ as you feel moved. -- Verbarson talk edits 19:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
I've opened a discussion about an issue anonymous users created on the Greater Anglia article. See Talk:Greater Anglia#Operation on Fen line?. Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 17:36, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
I know this is not the place to be discussing user problems, but has anyone else been noticing problematic editing by this user, specifically in edits to railway stations, TOCs, and List of companies operating trains in the United Kingdom that might seem like nonsense? I've already given them a final warning about using edit summaries, since all of their edits don't use one, but I'm not inclined to send them to an administrative venue. Does anyone have any opinions on this issue? Jalen Folf (Bark[s]) 19:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
You can find the link here: [5]. Covering Demons Bridge railway station, Simpasture railway station, Stillington railway station and Saltersgate Cottage railway station and if they are notable for an article each. 20:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC) DragonofBatley ( talk) 20:44, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Following edits by @ Anamyd over at Class 197, what would be the consensus on multi-lingual nameplates on trains? 197001 and 197004 carry nameplates which are in both Welsh and English… should we keep the Welsh text as well as the English translation, given that’s what the nameplate physically says, or should we only keep the translation?
Asking here because it would probably be best to make a decision to standardise this for UK trains. Danners430 ( talk) 19:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
{{
lang|cy|...}}
. --
Redrose64 🌹 (
talk)
20:33, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Hi - not a controversial move, but I want to check the logic is correct and when this should be carried out.
Two stations in England will soon have identical names and National Rail functions. The Northumberland Line is about to open (summer, according to their website), so there's likely to be much confusion between these two – in fact, on my way here online, I found one when searching for the other:
From Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations), the first is a "railway station" solely (no Tube), the second will be titled a "station" due to hosting both railway and Tyne & Wear Metro (as Sunderland station and Heworth Interchange do). The renovation of the North Tyneside station isn't major: an extra platform and line beside the existing Metro - see p12 here and photo here - so not really enough for a separate article as Central Station Metro station has.
In Talk:Northumberland Park Metro station, @ Difficultly north suggested the above name-change and/or adding regional identifiers - I would also favour adding regions to each name. Neither station is significantly larger, "Northumberland Park (railway) station" without context can mean either one and would be confusing, as I found, and there's much precendent for a further disambiguation, such as Halifax station, Stirling railway station, Davenport railway station, Fairfield railway station, Clifton railway station.
The Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations)#Disambiguation guideline says to clarify using country name (England) or "County/local community, for cases where the station name is ambiguous within the same country". So, in this case, I would use:
*Ceremonial county may technically be Greater London; in practice we already have Sydenham railway station (London) and Richmond station (London). Both Northumberland Parks have 250–350 links on Wiki, but most seem to be in Templates that would be easy to edit.
Am I missing anything? And when should any changes be put into effect? The Northumberland Line isn't ready to start operating yet, and Northumberland Park won't be among its first stations to open.
Thanks, 1RightSider ( talk) 04:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Actually, hold on. Northumberland Park, Bedlington and Blyth Bebside have all been delayed until either October 2024 or until 2025. We might not need to move these yet. News reports are only saying Seaton Delaval, Newsham and Ashington will be ready when it first opens. Difficultly north ( talk) Time, department skies 11:52, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
Besides, various sources are suggesting the initial stations will open in August. Difficultly north ( talk) Time, department skies 15:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
A discussion is in place regarding the renaming of Haymarket railway station. Discuss this over at Talk:Haymarket railway station#Requested move 10 June 2024 JuniperChill ( talk) 17:35, 11 June 2024 (UTC)